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Welcome to Netanyahu's 'resolution' to the conflict

Netanyahu, Bennett and Lieberman all promised Israelis quiet and prosperity without having to end the occupation. This is what we got instead.

Israeli emergency personnel remove victims’ bodies from the Jerusalem synagogue where two Palestinians killed four worshippers and seriously wounded seven others. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Israeli emergency personnel remove victims’ bodies from the Jerusalem synagogue where two Palestinians killed four worshippers and seriously wounded seven others, November 18, 2014. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Following this morning’s horrifying terror attack, it’s not so difficult to imagine how Naftali Bennett, Avigdor Liberman or Benjamin Netanyahu might describe the current government if they weren’t its leaders. You can almost see them showing up at the scene of the attack and screaming into the microphones denouncing the “wicked government,” recalling every last pogrom in Jewish history.

But no dice. Netanyahu has been prime minister for five years now and Liberman and the settlers, his partners in it. This is all taking place on their watch. If they think that Mahmoud Abbas is the problem — as their public statements declared this morning — then they should deal with him. We all know that’s not going to happen. This government needs Abbas much more than the Palestinians need him. The Palestinian leader has a dual role: he maintains quiet in the West Bank, and is also the punching bag the Israeli Right uses to explain away its reverberating failures.

Netanyahu promised Israelis prosperity and quiet without having to solve the Palestinian conflict. That has been his promise since the 1990s. To Netanyahu, terrorism is just card we’ve been dealt, and only military force can resolve it. There is no problem with continuing to build in the settlements, including inside the Palestinian neighborhoods of Jerusalem, because there is no connection between the settlements and the actions of the Palestinians. That’s what Netanyahu has been saying for decades already — both to the world and to Israelis. There’s no reason to give Palestinians their rights because that endangers Israel: they can make due with “economic peace.” It’s okay to discriminate and legislate against Israel’s Arab citizens. Hell, they should be saying thank you that we even let them live here; things are much worse in every other country in the Middle East. The government is here to serve the Jews, and the Jews only. And if we continue to act this way, aggressively and determinedly, we’ll enjoy stability, security and economic prosperity. That’s Netanyahu’s theory, and the Israeli public bought it because the price was so low and the payoff sky high. We’re not responsible for anything that happens and we don’t have to make any compromises on anything.

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At this point any reasonable person should realize what nonsense Bibi has been selling. In recent years Netanyahu has benefited from mere coincidence: Palestinians were tired from the intifada; Abbas decided to try the diplomatic track; the Arab world imploded; and Israel’s high-tech economy was booming. It seems as if Netanyahu has been delivering, but none of those things had anything to do with him. It was all an illusion, an ongoing deception. Since this June we have woken up to the true meaning of Netanyahu’s vision, in which Israel rules over 6 million Palestinians — Israeli citizens, East Jerusalem residents, the subjects of military rule in the West Bank and those besieged in Gaza — and the only thing he’s offering them is more of the same: the cruel hand of the military law, discrimination, violence, land expropriation, home demolitions, mass arrests and bombs from the sky.

For half a decade Netanyahu and Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat have been selling us lies about Israel’s unified and prosperous capital, all while 40 percent of its residents live in impoverished neighborhoods and are not represented politically, aren’t given building permits or even full municipal services. Some of those neighborhoods have been shoved eastward into a strange no-man’s land on the other side of the wall, an area into which neither the police nor the municipality dare to venture. At the same time, with the encouragement of the city and under the protection and cover of the police, settlers are being put into the hearts of the Jerusalem’s Arab neighborhoods, and right-wing members of Knesset are marking new targets for their projects — the Temple Mount, Silwan and Mount of Olives. After all that, is anybody really surprised that Palestinians have no trust in the police? That they view the municipality as their enemy?

An Israeli police officer stands outside the Jerusalem synagogue where two Palestinians killed four worshippers and seriously wounded seven others, November 18, 2014. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

An Israeli police officer stands outside the Jerusalem synagogue where two Palestinians killed four worshippers and seriously wounded seven others, November 18, 2014. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Nothing can justify the murder of worshipers in a synagogue. The murders should be condemned, and Jerusalem’s residents, Jews and Arabs alike, deserve absolute personal security. But it’s no time to be sanctimonious: the overall responsibility is the government’s. Netanyahu, Bennett and Liberman’s vision — the same vision that is being put into action with the help of Livni and Lapid’s acquiescence — is one of civil war between Jews and Arabs; a war that sometimes crawls under the carpet and sometimes explodes with violence. Nothing beyond that. Not two states and not one state, not warm peace and not cold peace — simply nothing. Just stricter laws against stone throwers, laws against the “release of terrorists,” laws against the Arabic language, new prisons to hold all of the new arrestees, gradual annexation, and ensuring the Palestinian population remains relegated to a status as second-, third- or fourth-class citizens.

That’s the plan. That’s how they think they’ll quiet can be attained. That’s how they think “the Arabs will learn to accept us,” even though history and all logic prove exactly the opposite. Oppression begets violence, which begets more and harsher oppression, which begets even more terrible violence. “Holding onto the occupied territories will make us a nation of murderers and murder-victims,” read an advertisement by the lefty political movement Matzpen, three months after the Six Day War in which Israel conquered East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza.

There is a simple truth here that needs to be reiterated: it’s entirely possible that a just political resolution with the Palestinians won’t guarantee peace and quiet, certainly not in its first stages. But only in such a deal, and in such a deal alone, lies the potential for a better future.

Instead, we are caught in the implementation phase of the Israeli Right’s political plan — both in Gaza and in Jerusalem. This is what Netanyahu and Bennett’s “solution” looks like. They might blame the PA and the Israeli Left and the High Court and the world for their inability to deliver, but this is their doing. Or more accurately, this is what the beginning of their doing looks like. The rest will be much worse — for Israelis and Palestinians alike.

This article was first published on +972’s Hebrew-language sister site, Local Call. Read it in Hebrew here.

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    1. Kolumn4

      You people are so boring. No one promised permanent quiet, not Netanyahu, not Bennett, and not Liberman. They promised to deal with terrorism by using as much force as necessary to stop it or prevent it. On this they will be judged going forward. It isn’t a “solution” because there is no “solution”.

      Need I remind the readers of the over one thousand Israelis that were killed thanks to the “peace process”? Or for that matter the fact that all pragmatic people on the left (including yourself) are perfectly willing to acknowledge that even their proposed path will be accompanied with occasional violence against Israelis? Or should we just talk about the buses that were blown up by Hamas during the reign of the peace-loving Rabin government? That is unfortunately the “better future” that the Israeli left is trying to sell the Israeli people. Buses blowing up on buses and rockets landing on our cities. That is what can be expected as a result of the left’s obsession with the appeasement of endless Arab demands through territorial concessions despite the Arabs making it plain and explicit that they reject leaving a Jewish State alive in any permanent outcome.

      The Arabs are slowly but surely learning to accept us. It wasn’t by surrendering the Negev that Israel got peace with Egypt. It was by demonstrating conclusively that such wars are pointless because Egypt would lose. It wasn’t by surrendering Ashkelon that Israel got peace with Jordan. Again, it was by demonstrating conclusively that Jordan would lose any war. These are things that the Jordanians and Egyptians wanted in the 1950s in return for symbolic peace with Israel. And it wasn’t because Israel gave up territory that Arafat accepted the partition plan in 1988 and changed his demands to the 1967 lines. It was because he was bankrupt and exiled to Tunis and his movement was on the verge of economic collapse due to the looming loss of Soviet support. How did the three Nos from Khartoum get replaced with the Arab peace plan? Was it because Israel was playing nice nice with the Arabs or was it because it was proven conclusively that war against Israel would be ruinous for the Arabs?

      Oppression begets violence? No, giving children candy whenever a Jew is murdered begets future violence. Treating murderous animals that butchered Jews as heroes is what begets future violence. Teaching whole generation that their goal is the destruction of Israel is what begets violence. And none of these things started in 1948 or 1967. They started in the 1920s and it continues to this day. The violence will end when the Palestinians teach their children to want to live in peace next to Israel and not a second before and none of the stupid plans produced on the left will bring any of that a second closer. In fact they push it away because the Arabs smell weakness and think one more generation raised in hatred will break the Jews and they don’t have to compromise.

      So, yes, we will increase what you call “oppression”, and what I call legitimate security precautions, and they will increase the terrorism. Their escalation makes them weaker because they lose political support and makes us stronger because we gain political sympathy. And we will keep escalating until they break and they will. Or they can choose to accept a Jewish State in the Middle East and come to terms with it. Their choice, and given the historical trends outlined above they will come around sooner or later.

      So, what do you offer? Nothing realistic. You just bitch and moan. Your solutions are non-solutions. Your better future is my grave.

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      • sh

        It is you who are boring. No amount of force can prevent the civil war Sheizaf points to. Only our willingness to compromise would have a chance of doing that. But there’s no sign of that at all.

        Your confections always remind me of the old Yiddish story about the farmer who had the brilliant idea of training his donkey to do without food in order to be able spend his money on other things. As is well known, when it ended in tears over a corpse, he cursed his bad luck rather than his own stupidity.

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        • Kolumn4

          1) Let’s start from the extreme to disprove your theoretical point and then we can work backwards. Yes, there is an amount of force that can resolve the “civil war” and prevent any future recurrence of it. I am not suggesting that we should resort to this level of force but your argument that “no amount of force can..” is just plainly factually wrong given the overwhelming power disparity that is in play here.

          2) Moving on. Compromise would be fine if the other side’s long-term goals could be met with anything other than your own destruction. This was the fundamental mistake of the Oslo peaceniks. They projected on to the Palestinians the desire to solve this conflict on the basis of two states for two peoples. Yet, the Palestinians have never been willing to agree to that formula and have yet to accept the permanent existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East. Until that happens any talk of compromise is premature and likely harmful.

          3) In the absence of compromise as an option we are left with gradually increasing the level of violence until the other side either insists on a break from violence or breaks and is forced through complete desperation to accept things that as of yet they are unwilling to such as an outcome on the basis of two states for two peoples and the peace that this makes possible. As to why the Palestinians will eventually break, it is because they have no other option. See (1).

          4) The alternative to this approach is to mindlessly continue surrendering territory which is persistently then used to continue a war against us while absorbing ever larger numbers of casualties and refusing to learn any lessons from the experience. This is where your camp is right now after the Oslo Accords, the Second Intifada, the withdrawal from Lebanon and the rockets that followed, and the rockets being fired from Gaza. These are the fruits of “compromise”.

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      • Weiss


        If you actually counted the Palestinians as Humans, which you do NOT, the casualties on their side DWARF Israeli casualties. Over 2200 killed in the last 6 months alone..

        The article is CORRECT:
        “Netanyahu, Bennett and Lieberman all promised Israelis quiet and prosperity without having to end the occupation. This is what we got instead.”

        Perpetual conflict…

        A Right Wing Fascists’ Wet Dream…

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        • SHJ

          So to summarize your point, Netanyahu, Bennett and Lieberman promised peace and quite and failed, shame on them. Hamas promised more shahids in the march towards conquering Al-Aqsa, and they delivered, good job.

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        • Kolumn4

          I count the Palestinians as rational thinking human beings that are capable of understanding cause and effect. If they shoot rockets at their immensely more powerful neighbor I expect that they do so knowing that many of them will die in the response. And given that they continue doing so I can only conclude that they are perfectly willing to pay the price for it. I don’t treat them like children to be pampered and absolved of all agency. Unfortunately the ‘rationality’ promoted by the Palestinian leadership is one that praises the murderers of Israeli civilians as heroes, and of that I too can not absolve them of blame or agency. The only person to occasionally go against the grain is Abbas, but he lets his own political party and the media under his direct control to continue inciting violence against the Jews so it is hard to take his statements seriously.

          And of course I care for my people vastly more than I do for the Palestinians, the Sudanese, or the Norwegians. Given that when there is a plane crash American media goes to great pains to determine the number of Americans aboard so that people care enough to keep watching I am going to have to assume that this is pretty normal.

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          • john wise

            you obviously have no idea of the difference between dictatorship and democracy, and also mind control.
            the reason the pals in gaza are willing to die is that they are told from brith that they will go to heaven.
            interestingly there were demos against hamas which were put down and amassive emigrantion from gaza
            it seems people can still vote with their feet

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      • Yeah, right

        K4: “No one promised permanent quiet, not Netanyahu, not Bennett, and not Liberman.”

        Apparently the point of this article has flown way, way over your head.

        Noam’s point wasn’t that “Bibi promised permanent quiet but never delivered”.

        Quite the opposite, in fact.

        Noam’s point was that Bibi wants temporary quiet, precisely because he isn’t interested in a permanent peace.

        Well, OK.

        But it’s rich indeed when Bibi blames everyone but himself when that temporary quiet turns out to be… temporary.

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        • Brian

          Precisely. A lesson in the maxim that the main technique of hasbara is distraction.

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        • Kolumn4

          Read the subheadline:

          “Netanyahu, Bennett and Lieberman all promised Israelis quiet and prosperity without having to end the occupation.”

          We are talking about a sentence that is literally in bold and that I am quoting directly from the article. You did read the article, right?

          Noam is doing his usual blame the Right routine for whatever happens and suggesting that whatever plan he has up his sleeve offers something better. It doesn’t. It offers a nightmare under the empty promise of a better future. Bibi never promised permanent quiet. The Left did promise peace and security. Only one of these promises was broken.

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          • Yeah, right

            K4, the authors of articles don’t write the headlines, nor do they write the subheadlines.

            It’s the editorial staff that do that, not the contributing authors.

            I’ll repeat: Noam’s point was that Bibi wants temporary quiet, precisely because he isn’t interested in a permanent peace, and then he turns around and blames everyone else when that temporary quiet proves to be temporary.

            There’s no point in you attempting to “rebut” that by pointing to the headline, because he didn’t write that headline.

            Indeed, all you are “proving” is that you don’t read the articles – you simply skim the headline and then your knee starts a’ jerkin’

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          • Kolumn4

            That’s funny. You are just digging yourself even deeper. Noam Sheizaf is the CEO of 972mag. He probably wrote the subheadline himself but if not then it was pulled out from the article.

            Third paragraph inside the article:
            “Netanyahu promised Israelis prosperity and quiet without having to solve the Palestinian conflict.”

            Did an editor write that too? Wanna dig the hole a bit deeper? Go away child. You are embarassing yourself.

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    2. mt noise

      If you want to change things why don’t you win some elections? Oh…that’s right. The Left keeps losing!

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      • Kolumn4

        Don’t you wish you could make me. But, you can’t… Oh well.

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    3. Brian

      Disgusting. Appalling. Exactly what the pyromaniacs in the Israeli government were aiming for. Exactly. Including chief pyromaniac Netanyahu whom you triumphalists, so eagerly out in force today, voted for. Not “the left.” Rather pleased with yourselves today? I bet you are. Mixed in, of course!, with your deep, deep pain and sadness at Jewish life lost. And anger. I share your pain and sadness but not your nightmarish, cocky triumphalism. And my anger is directed not just at the perps but the pyros. And I note that Abu Mazen immediately condemned the murderers.


      There is no one further right than Netanyahu

      By Nehemia Shtrasler

      …Now he’s fighting Mahmoud Abbas by repeatedly declaring that Israel has “no partner” for peace, even though the Palestinian Authority president has said he’s ready for a peace deal that will recognize Israel and end the conflict with all the Arab states as well. That’s why Netanyahu hates him. There’s nothing that drives him crazier than Abbas’ insistence on not committing terror attacks….

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      • This is horrible. It always seems to be more horrible when the dead and Jews. Maybe when Jews value the lives of “the other” as much as their own, there will be a different outcome?

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    4. Danny

      Today, head of Shabak Yoram Cohen said that Abbas does NOT incite to violence or terrorism (not even under the table, in his words). This effectively outs Netanyahu as a bald-faced liar, something we already knew he was, yet never had an official confirmation for.

      Here is a little tip for people unfortunate enough to hear Netanyahu speak: Ignore, because odds are what you are hearing is completely false.

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    5. Bruce Gould

      There are clearly Israelis here, can you folks get some Palestinian voices here? 20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinians, do you folks know any? I want to hear from them directly, not in polls, not in opinion pieces, I want to hear what they have to say in their own voices. If they want to drive the Jews into the sea, if that’s what they’re about in 2014, then I want to hear it, I want to hear live human beings at the other end of the conflict, and I want to hear them right here.

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      • Kolumn4

        There is a fatal flaw with your request. The ones that want to drive the Jews into the sea are not going to cooperate with the Jews of 972mag, left-wing and anti-Zionist as they are. As far as I can tell the general position is that the only kind of true anti-Zionist Jew is one that leaves Israel.

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        • Danny

          You’re full of shit. You literally know nothing about Arabs, their motivations or their feelings. All you think you “know” about them that matters is that they want to drive Jews into the sea. Literally nothing else.

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          • SHJ

            so please enlighten us. where are the Palestinians march for peace? where are the moderates calling for “tough decisions” that Palestinians need to take in order to have peace. Where are the elections in Gaza, west bank to see what the Palestinian people want? Do they have a right, left center parties?

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          • Weiss

            THIS Jew agrees with you 100%

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          • Gustav

            “You’re full of shit. You literally know nothing about Arabs, their motivations or their feelings.”

            And YOU do know about Arabs?

            Then tell us what is happening in Iraq, Syria and Libya? Have they got eeeeevil Israeli settlers in those places too?

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          • Utemia

            “Then tell us what is happening in Iraq, Syria and Libya? Have they got eeeeevil Israeli settlers in those places too?”

            Isn’t that an entirely different kind of conflict, motivated by different issues and has a different history? Personally, I most blame the USA for the way that turned out because they bungled everything in Iraq after they invaded. At least Israel took control over the territory they conquered.. *cough* (this is not a compliment per se though, but in comparison to what happened post 2003 in Iraq more actual conquering by the US would probably have prevented a lot of what happened)

            Also, apparently Arabs are NOT a homogenous group and have all the same goals and political ideas. Who knew?

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          • Ginger Eis

            @ Utemia
            “Isn’t that an entirely different kind of conflict, motivated by different issues and has a different history?”

            No, ALL of these conflicts have three things in common: (a) Muslim-Arab barbarism, (b) Muslim-Arab barbarism and (c) Muslim-Arab barbarism! Why are you willfully blind?

            “Personally, I most blame the USA for the way that turned out because they bungled everything in Iraq after they invaded.”

            Indeed, the USA bungled everything in Syria, destroy Libya and started committing Genocide in Iraq and beheading defenseless individuals in their hundreds and hanging their severed heads on fences for little allah and to instill fear and terror!

            “At least Israel took control over the territory they conquered.. *cough* (this is not a compliment per se though, but in comparison to what happened post 2003 in Iraq more actual conquering by the US would probably have prevented a lot of what happened)”.

            W(TF) are you talking ’bout?

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          • Brian

            Ah, here she is, the great bloodhound for sniffing out with exquisite sensitivity “cultural (and racist) prejudice that went too far because it encompasses the Jewry,” now showing up foaming at the mouth and straining at the leash about “(a) Muslim-Arab barbarism, (b) Muslim-Arab barbarism (c) Muslim-Arab barbarism.” Somehow that bloodhound only has a nose for anti-Jewish, but not anti-Arab cultural and racist predjudice. And moreover detects anti-Jewish molecules when they are not even present. How does that work? An interesting nose indeed.

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          • Utemia

            Ginger, it’s more complex than just barbarous muslim-Arabs killing each other. As far as I know, the rise of IS can be directly attributed to the political mess in Iraq after 2003, and how the US handled it.

            My remark about the US not “conquering” enough was meant in that context. If the US had taken charge more, or indeed even had a plan on how to handle the political aftermath in Iraq, a lot of the sectarian violence and power struggles might have been avoided. The offshoot of Al Quaida that then turned into IS later on might have never evolved into the entity that it is today. But that is all might have beens and ifs, and kind of pointless after all is said and done.

            Since this is wildly off topic, and I am not even an expert on that issue, I’ll stop here.

            Kolumn4 has much more insight than I do.. or rather, I lack the insight and indepth knowledge about the Syrian civil war and Iraqi civil war to challenge the assertions put forward by him (her).

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          • Kolumn4

            Utemia, ideologies and trends are not isolated to a single Arab country. They are spread via pan-Arab media outlets (Al Jazeera, Arabiyah, etc.) and through the financing provided by various players for their preferred ideological stream. The Arabs are not a homogenous group, but both among the Islamists and the secular Arabs there are dominant tendencies that are shared, debated, discussed and supported across the Arab countries. It is no coincidence that the major period of instability in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Tunisia, Bahrain and Iraq have all happened within the same time period. It is also no coincidence that the prevalent conflict throughout the entire Arab world is between dictators and Islamists. And it is no coincidence that until Tunisia’s latest experiment in democracy every single Arab country was ruled undemocratically. Whatever happens in one place has an impact on all the others. It is for this reason that I have doubts about whether Tunisia will succeed in its democratic path. It is too dangerous to the other Arab dictators and also to the Islamists.

            The Palestinians are probably the least isolated example of all the Arabs. The most obvious example is Hamas which is the Palestinian branch of the pan-Arab Muslim Brotherhood, sponsored financially by Qatar, relying on ideological backing from the Muslim Brotherhood and the rulings of such clerics as the Egyptian Yusuf al-Qardawi, and with the message spread by the al-Jazeera network which broadcasts throughout the Arab world. Likewise, Fatah is a more secular party founded on the principles of pan-Arab nationalism and sponsored politically by the Saudis and the Egyptians that had learned most of its political manners from dictators in Amman, Baghdad, Damascus, Tunis and the various other places it was based. Whatever happens in the Arab world has an immediate impact on the competition among the Palestinian factions here because of how weak they are and easy to influence.

            So, when Israelis point out that there is chaos, very limited democracy, and minimal protection for minorities in the Arab world it is to point out that it is highly unlikely that the Palestinians, given how dependent they are on foreign support and aid, will avoid that trap and how unlikely they are to create a stable secular democratic state. The more likely alternative is that it will be a failed state with lots of Islamic militias operating against Israel. It is also used to point out how incredibly ridiculously unlikely it is that there can be any stable one state solution or that Jews would be safe in it. As such one pragmatic approach that is often heard on the Israeli Right is that no peace is really likely or possible with the Palestinians until the dominant trends in the Arab world is one which promotes democracy, compromise, economic development, tolerance and nonviolence. Only at that point it would be possible to have a stable Palestinian state living in peace with Israel. All other roads lead to more conflict and “compromise” only surrenders valuable strategic territory with no hope whatsoever of a stable two state solution.

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          • Kolumn4

            My favorite true anti-Zionist Jew speaks, but he does not have very good reading comprehension skills. Read again.

            Also, how is that Hamas victory going there? Have you booked your cruise to Gaza’s shiny new port yet? Or are you flying into Gaza’s Flying Pig airport instead for the victory celebrations?

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          • Danny

            “Also, how is that Hamas victory going there?”

            Wouldn’t know, and don’t care. What I do care about is how shoddily Israel is being managed at this point in its sordid history, to the point of turning off many, many people around the world, especially the young ones. The Arab world may be completely f’ed up, but the reality is that Israel is too, and there is no amount of hasbara that can hide that.

            And I’m proud of being an anti-zionist, as zionism today represents colonialism and oppression.

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    6. “Then tell us what is happening in Iraq, Syria and Libya? Have they got eeeeevil Israeli settlers in those places too?”

      No Gustav, they’re mostly in Brooklyn and what a nuisance!

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    7. Tomer

      Netanyahu’s coalition has been ok until recently. But the new wave of Arab terror needs someone else who has the right kind of thinking to deal with the problem.

      We need someone with Jewish Consciousness to teach the Arabs a lesson they and the World WILL NEVER FORGET.
      Feiglin is coming!

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      • NYFon

        Tomer says,
        “We need someone with Jewish Consciousness to teach the Arabs a lesson they and the world WILL NEVER FORGET. Feiglin is coming!

        Tomer, I wonder if you give us a rough definition of “Jewish Consciousness,” as you see it. How does it differ from (say), Christian consciousness, Muslim consciousness, and Palestinian consciousness? (I won’t call it “Arab” consciousness because, as we know, there are also Jewish Arabs.)

        Secondly: in your opinion, does this “Jewish Consciousness” permeate all of the Jewish diaspora, as well as belonging to the Jews in Israel?

        Thanks, in advance.

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        • Piotr Berman

          Here, “Jewish Consciousness” has as much to do with consciousness as the tag “mature content” put on a publication with EXTREMELY juvenile type of humor.

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      • Brian

        You love it Tomer! The more violence the better. Warms the cockles of your fascist heart. An open worshiper of Feiglin. At least you’re blunt about it unlike the more weasely types here.

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      • Yeah, right

        Tomer: “Feiglin is coming!”

        Indeed he is, though he’s likely to be trampled by the jackboots worn by Bennett and Lieberman as they stampeded ever further to the right.

        Prime Minister Feiglin?

        Yeah, it could happen. I’m still struggling to see how that’s a GOOD thing w.r.t. Israel’s future prospects.

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    8. Richard

      Predictable +972 bile. People don’t use meat cleavers because they have political demands based in reality. Its called religious fanaticism.

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    9. Abbas condemns Jerusalem synagogue attack (updated) 18/11/2014 19:02

      RAMALLAH (Ma’an) — President Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday condemned an attack on a synagogue in Jerusalem that killed four Israelis earlier in the day.

      Abbas’ office said in a statement that the presidency always denounced the killing of civilians by any party.

      “Consequently, today the presidency denounces the killing of worshipers at a place of worship in West Jerusalem,” the statement said, according to the official Palestinian news agency Wafa.

      “The presidency also denounces all violent acts no matter who their source is, and demands an end to the ongoing incursions into the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the provocative acts by Israeli settlers as well as incitement by some Israeli ministers,” it added.

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    10. Ken Kelso

      Richard, Arabs love using meat cleavers, knives to behead civilians.
      They glorify murdering Jews praying and running over and killing 3 month old Jewish babies.

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    11. Bruce Gould



      Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday said that he is pushing forward a bill which makes Israel a state only for Jews, local media reported.

      Speaking during a meeting with his Likud party members, Netanyahu said it was time for the country’s courts “to recognise the aspect of our being the nation state of the Jewish people”. He said he would propose the law during the next meeting for his government on Sunday.

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        • “Meanwhile …..

          Max Blumenthal, Bruce Gould, etc. banned from the Bundestag, Deutschland.

          Read. Watch. And weep!”

          Arutz Sheva. You can’t even read your own propaganda rag correctly -David Sheen and Max Blumenthal were in Berlin. Now you’re lying about Bruce Gould. Does telling the truth make you physically ill, because you avoid it like it was the plague.

          Read. Watch. And weep!! – sure thing, gonna get right to that.

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    12. Ginger Eis

      To all the Jewish lunatics of +972mag and elsewhere who are hallucinating and advocating “one-state-solution”, this is just a fraction of 0.05%, a mirror image of what such a state will look like. For several centuries now, wise folks need no prophets to prophesy to them about what is to come. They analyze facts and events and draw conclusions. The Muslims tell you to your face (a) who they are: savages (b) what their intentions are: killings and (c) what they will do if opportuned: butcher and dismember! And heed Muslim’s prophecies we will. It’s only a question of time and the current murderous plague on a rampage will be taken care of. We will solve the problem the Jewish way, not the European and Arab way which is murders, mass murder and/or Genocide as revenge. The Jewish way is moral, slow and patient. We will surgically seek out the evil and protect the innocents. Netanyahu must handle the situation with calm and cool-headedness. That will mean that more of us will be lost along the way before the war is won, but win the war we will. Ultimately.

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      • Brian

        Utemia: You tried in your humane and sensible way to have a nice warm, rational conversation with this person yesterday, and I admired and still admire your efforts. Still think that a rational conversation with this person is possible today after reading this steaming pile of merde? Yesterday she was all over you about “cultural (and racist) prejudice that went too far because it encompasses the Jewry,” and you were most patient and kind to her. Now she shows up baring her true fangs, foaming at the mouth and straining at the leash about “Muslim savages.” Oops. “Encompassing the Arabs” is A-OK–lets do it with gusto!–while “encompassing the Jewry” (which of course you did not even do) is of course einfach verboten. Have you ever seen such rank hypocrisy? Such craziness? (And it must also be said that some others here are less crude and crazy about it, less blunt, but angle in the same direction, only with more insinuating language.)

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        • Utemia

          Brian: People get emotional and irrational about topics and in situations like this. It’s human, after all. I don’t take it personally.

          I also think that staying polite and making my arguments and explaining and clarifying viewpoints in a friendly way, or asking questions (hello Socrates) ensures that the other side is at least willing to listen and talk to you.

          If everybody just stews in their own juices, debates take on something similar to trench warfare with hardened frontlines where people can duck and hide while using artillery kind of assinine langugae and insults on their “enemy” that they never really truly engage on a personal level. It’s the opposite of what a debate should be like. Alternatively, it reminds me of squabbling children in kindergarden. |:”you’re wrong” “NO you’re wrong”:| is not very interesting.

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          • Merav

            “Muslim savages.” Oops. “Encompassing the Arabs”


            Brian, my observation so far on this site is that Ginger has never debated you and probably never will. Have you ever asked yourself why? Could it perhaps be for simple reason that you are a noise maker most likely suffering from ADHD – as your logic and attitude show? I see that you are once again moaning and shouting, but no one hears you brian, because you are crazy. Richard told you that before. Listen to Richard.

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          • If your field of vision is limited to the tip of your nose, you’re hardly in the position to toss around DSM-III diagnoses.

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          • Brian

            Merav, basically, who cares? I have of course noted she’s rarely responded to me (respond is the proper word–what she does cannot be characterized as rising to the level of “debate”). I suspect she’s afraid to. She may come back now with any level of manufactured scorn but I will still think she is at bottom afraid, intimidated. I think I catch her out. As for you nothing you’ve ever said rises to a level higher than silliness appreciated by nine year old boys. You strike me as quite immature and not too bright. Like the dumb little brother tagging after the big bullies on the playground. Easily amused, by dumb stuff. And drawn to sadism. Your grinning fascination with one video over and over for example does not suggest a high level of sophistication. Just my impression.

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          • Brian

            That’s admirable, Utemia, and I couldn’t agree more, IF the other person is capable of responding in kind. I don’t see the potential here.

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    13. Brian

      And now for the news:

      The terrorists who carried out Tuesday’s attack on the synagogue in Jerusalem have no previous security records and did not operate within the framework of any organization, Shin Bet security service chief Yoram Cohen told members of a Knesset committee after the incident.

      People present at the discussion, in the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, noted that Cohen rejected claims that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was involved in igniting passions and violence among Palestinians in East Jerusalem.

      The remarks by the Shin Bet head contradict declarations of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in recent days, and following the deadly attack on the Kehilat Bnei Torah synagogue.

      No one among the Palestinian leadership is calling for violence, Cohen said, noting that Abbas has reiterated that the path of intifada should be rejected. “ Abu Mazen [Abbas] is not interested in terror,” he explained, “and is not leading [his people] to terror. Nor is he doing so ‘under the table.’”

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    14. Brian

      I’m noticing that not ONE of the right wing visitors here have refuted, in the least, Sheizaf’s argument. NOT ONE. NO substance. NONE.

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    15. Ben Zakkai

      Yes Noam, our leaders are crap, but what did you expect? I still think that (as Churchill supposedly said) democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others; but what is undeniable is that democracy generally rewards politicians who pander to the vox populi. Netanyahu, Lieberman and Bennett et al. wouldn’t have an ounce of power if the public didn’t support their views and policies. We get the leadership we deserve. If a genuine moral visionary formed a political party and tried to win high office in this country, at best he’d get two or three Knesset seats, if he wasn’t assassinated first. So the bullies and fanatics on all sides are going to have to do much more damage – and not just to each other, but to many innocent bystanders, which is a tragedy – before the public finally becomes sadder and wiser and ready to seek decent, sensible solutions.

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      • Yvette

        They will suffer until they understand. Don’t expect the world to empathize much longer with the Israelis. People can only take so much hypocrisy before they tune out altogether. Or get serious and sanction their asses into the ground as they deserve.

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    16. bar

      In case there is any historical confusion:

      1920: Small Jewish community, no state, no government, no occupation, lots and lots of land: Arabs attack and murder Jews.

      1929: Small Jewish community, no state, no Jewish government, no occupation, lots and lots of land: Arabs attack and murder Jews.

      1936-1939: Bigger Jewish community, no state, no Jewish government, no occupation, lots and lots of land and 1937 offer of compromise on table: Arabs attack and murder Jews.

      1947: Bigger Jewish community, no state, no Jewish government, no occupation, lots and lots of land, offer of compromise on table: Arabs attack and murder Jews.

      1948: Bigger Jewish community, no state, no Jewish government, no occupation, lots and lots of land: Arabs attack and murder Jews.

      1948-1967 Jewish community in Muslim and Arab states under extreme pressure including violence and anti-Jewish laws, ends up emigrating; Jewish state, Jewish government, no occupation, Jordan controls 83% of Mandatory Palestine: Arabs attack and murder Jews.

      1964 Jewish state, Jewish government, no occupation, Jordan controls 83% of Mandatory Palestine: Arabs create PLO to attack and murder Jews.

      2000 Jewish state, Jewish government, occupation, Israel offers peace deal with Palestinian state: Arabs attack and murder Jews.

      2001 same

      2014 Jewish state, Jewish government, occupation, multiple rounds of talks, former settlement freeze, release of Palestinian prisoners, prevention of Hamas from coup against PA: Arabs attack and murder Jews.

      Plus ca change…

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    17. Kolumn4

      Danny, oh, now you wouldn’t know and don’t care about Hamas and the last war. This from someone two months ago proclaiming a Hamas victory and insisting that my government was lying to me about the terms of the cease-fire. You remember that? That was when I insisted that a month from then we would have a conversation so that you can reflect on who was right and who was wrong so that you can let that inform your future positions. Then again, that was presuming you actually believe the crap you pronounce here, which I increasingly believe you don’t. You are effectively just a Hamas propaganda troll.

      What do you care about how shoddily Israel is being managed except as joyful news? You are gone. Stay gone. Burn your passport if you haven’t already. You are an “anti-Zionist”, so the idea that you care about how the country is managed is ludicrous given that “anti-Zionists” want this country to be eliminated. Likewise, what do you care if its behavior turns of people elsewhere? You are an “anti-Zionist”, not a Zionist. You should be celebrating if what you believe in what you are saying. You are on the outside and hostile to Israel. Your concern is facetious.

      Zionism today is what it always has been – a belief in the right of the Jewish people to live in their homeland. Be proud of being against that.

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    18. Brian

      When Netanyahu, Lieberman and Bennet say that Abbas is “worse than Arafat” they really mean it. Because Abbas actually wants a reasonable, peaceful two state solution. Anathema to them.

      Peter Beinarr today:

      …But calling Abbas the primary cause of Palestinian terrorism is nuts. For one thing, East Jerusalem – from whence the synagogue attackers came – is under Israel’s control, not Abbas’. And in the West Bank, where Abbas wields some authority, his security cooperation with Israel is a key reason there’s been so much less Palestinian terrorism than there was during the Arafat years.

      Don’t take my word for it. Listen to the Israeli security officials who are actually charged with preventing Palestinian terrorism. Soon after Netanyahu accused Abbas of inciting terrorism, Yoram Cohen, the head of Israel’s internal security service, Shin Bet, told legislators it wasn’t true: Abbas wasn’t advocating violence. (Although Cohen acknowledged that some Palestinians might misconstrue his words). Cohen’s remarks echo those of former Shin Bet head Yuval Diskin, who in July said Abbas “is against terror and is brave enough to say so,” and who in 2013 condemned Bibi for undermining his Palestinian counterpart. Just last week, columnist Ben Caspit reported that “The Israeli diplomatic echelon (guided by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, Economy Minister Naftali Bennett and even Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu) view Abbas as ‘worse than Arafat’ and someone who incites to terror and undermines stability. But the IDF, on the other hand, views him as the chief stabilizing force in the area.”

      The Netanyahu/Lieberman/Bennett campaign against Abbas says more about them than him. That’s because for Israeli leaders, Abbas is a Rorschach test. The Israelis who actually want a two state solution think Abbas does too. That’s why Shimon Peres in June called Abbas “the best partner that Israel has and the best we have had…We shouldn’t miss an opportunity to make peace with him.” And why Ehud Olmert has warned that “Israel will not always find itself sitting across the table from Palestinian leaders like Mr. Abbas….who object to terrorism and want peace.”

      Netanyahu, Lieberman and Bennett, on the other hand, who have little interest in a two state solution themselves, are convinced that Abbas does not want one either. After all, if you make the test of whether a Palestinian leader wants peace his willingness to accept permanent Israeli military control of the West Bank, anyone will look like a rejectionist…

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    19. Lo

      Violence is like abstinence.

      If it’s not working, clearly you’re just not using enough.

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    20. Richard Witty

      A million broken promises, and incompetence in an agile and skilled manner.

      So much good is possible still, if pursued.

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    21. Perhaps looking at what the situation is with other conflicts between a conqueror and the conquered might clarify things a little. The Armenians, for example, slughted, sure, but didn’t disappear, still an Armenia, and still Turkey is highly sensitive to the general, international disapproval they suffer. Although of course, real politic means they’re OK. The Kurds, also ittitating Turkey etc. still fighting for their own state, never giving up in the face of mightier firepower. The Irish. Uk had to give way, but still, there’s Northern Ireland, still not actually at a proper peace…And does Australia get congratulated on how it has treated and treats the Aboriginal people? Do not Afro-Americans still have to protest for their rights?
      Whenver there is an oppressed people, there will remain strife unless and until BOTH sides are courageous enough to sort it. Time will take its course. In 500 years, will there be an Israel? Will it be a great Israel our descendants can be proud of?

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    22. JOHN

      KARAISM for PEACE ?

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