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WATCH: Two states, one homeland — a new configuration?

If you ask most people, you’ll find that the only two conceptions of how to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are either a one- or two-state solution. But what if there’s a third path? A recent conference explored that option.

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    1. Ginger Eis

      What an exercise in foolishness!

      “What if there’s a third path” you ask? Well, let’s pause and consider the content of your “third path”:

      1. Your “third path” boils down to the following: (a) = 6.2 million Jews, (b) between 9-14 million Arabs (the so-called Palestinians in Gaza, Judea & Samaria and the “refugees”) in (c) Two States in (d) One Nation with (e) Open Borders, (f) Freedom Of Movement and (g) Equal Rights.

      Indeed, that’s “a third path”, but your “third path” is a third path to a One-State-Solution with lipstick on it; it is “a third path” to (a) the destruction of the Jewish State and (b) another Dhimmitude, Pogroms and Genocide for the Jewish People. We have heard it all before. And we consider it utter foolishness. It is nothing new!

      Regardless,

      2. There is also a fourth path, and a fifth path, etc. Let’s stand still for a while and consider the FOURTH path for – i.e.

      a. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME ethnic group;
      b. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME language;
      c. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME culture;
      d. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME tradition;
      e. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME religion;
      f. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME customs;
      g. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME law;
      h. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME nationality;
      i. Majority of Jordanians ARE Palestinians
      j. Majority of Palestinians HAVE Jordanian Passports
      k. Palestinians and Jordanians = SAME EVERYTHING!

      THUS:

      Palestinians and Jordanians = ONE People, ONE Nation and ONE Country = PEACE. Real PEACE!

      How about that? Why are you too afraid to consider that? Why are you afraid of embarking on a free intellectual exercise? Why is it always about how to get rid of the Jewish State with you people?

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      • Eugene

        I haven’t read the “third path” proposal in detail but as far as I understand it’s effectively about having a single country with the rights of the Jewish minority constitutionally protected so there will be no Dhimmitude/pogroms/genocide. It sounds extremely difficult as it’ll require much more trust and co-operation than exists now, but what are the alternatives?

        One alternative is to put much more effort into a two-state solution, such as by reducing the “settlements”.

        The second alternative is the status quo, i.e. no peace. This continues to breed hatred/violence and with weapons increasingly becoming smaller, cheaper and more powerful, it’s the status quo that puts Israel at long-term risk of genocide.

        Your third alternative (Palestinians = Jordanians) seems to be proposing that all the non-Jewish Palestinians just move to the state of Jordan? That is obviously completely unacceptable to those who’ve lived in what is currently Israeli territory for generations. Palestinians and Jordanians = DIFFERENT lands.

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        • Pedro X

          Detail? Try and find the detailed proposal. All I could find in English are broad brush strokes devoid of the nitty gritty of the structure and functioning of this fictitious one homeland and two states entity or entities.

          In the end, it really does not matter, because neither Palestinians nor Israelis want to live in an one state reality. The organizational meeting of this tiny group was supposed to be held in Palestinian Beit Jala but Palestinian non normalization activists threatened the group, so the group moved its meeting to a small hall in the western portion of Jerusalem were several dozen people attended.

          Israelis do not want to give up the one Jewish state in the world. Israelis are not going to invite serial killers to settle amongst them. Hamas has no intention of sharing any part of Palestine and time and time again affirms its Charter’s call for the destruction of the Israeli state. Benny Morris summed it up as follows:

          “[B]etween Israel and Hamas, I strongly doubt there will ever be any compromise. Perhaps there will be tactical posturing, but there can never be basic compromise. They do not accept us because, from their perspective, this is Islamic land. Allah commanded them to annihilate us, and that’s precisely what they wish to do.”

          Now in their own words: Hamas leader Fathi Hamad stated on Al Aqsa TV, Sept. 8, 2008

          “Allah has chosen you to fight the people He hates most – the Jews. Allah said: “You shall find the worst enemies of the believers to be the Jews and the polytheists.” In other words, the Jews, who number 15 million all over the world, are equivalent to 4.5 billion infidels in their corruption and their struggle against the religion of Islam. Therefore, our heroic prisoners who were arrested for killing Jews should know that by the grace of Allah, killing a single Jew is the same as killing 30 million Jews. Therefore, the reward of our martyrs is great, and your reward is also great.”

          In 2011 Al Asqa Tv broadcast the sermon of a Gazan preacher:

          “You [Allah] have made our killing of the Jews an act of worship through which we come closer to you….our beloved Prophet Muhammed, You have made your teachings constitutions for us…the fire with which we harvest the skulls of the Jews…Oh sons of Palestine, oh sons of the Gaza Strip, oh mujahedeen, wage jihad, wreak destruction, blow up and harvest the heads of the Zionists.”

          Hamas Deputy Speaker of the Palestinian Parliament, Amhad Bahr in 2012 said that it was the duty of every Muslim man and woman to become jihadi fighters:

          “Why, to annihilate those Jews.”

          “oh Allah count them one by one, and kill them all, leaving not a single one.”

          In 2013 Hamas leader Khalil Al-Khiya said:

          “Zionists, you have no place on the land of Palestine … we shall expel you from our land and we will fight against you on it [on the land], we will kill you or expel you from it when you are submissive … the jihad and the martyrdom in the way of Allah are our road and our track which are meant to fulfill our triumphs and fulfill and protect our [Muslim] nation.”

          Palestinian pollster PSR finds that there is a core of 1 in every 4 Palestinians who want to see Israel destroyed. Half of those want a genocide of the Jews. An ADL poll found that the Palestinians are the most anti-Semitic people in the world.

          So why would Israelis want to share their state with people who hate Israelis and threaten to commit genocide against them?

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    2. Eliza

      This is the first I’ve heard of this.

      It seems to be a single state solution with right of return to Palestinian refugees accepted. Each resident can self define him/herself as being either of Israeli nationality or Palestinian nationality with national governance being shared equally between those of Israeli and Palestinian nationality regardless of the population share. That is, neither Israeli and Palestinian nations can be dominated by the other at the national governance level due to greater numbers.

      Local governments will be elected by both Israeli/Palestinian nationals. Israeli nationals will continue to enter the IDF but the IDF will no longer have an internal policing role. Internal policing is to be an equally shared responsibility.

      Maybe its workability will depend on the details of the areas of responsibility that each level of government, national or local, will have.

      This third way seems to be a genuine attempt to meet the needs of both Israeli Jews and Palestinians (including the refugees who tend to always overlooked); no sleight of hand to preserve Jewish privilege but legislative shared power at the national government level to ensure Jewish equality where Israeli Jews are not in the majority.

      I wonder how much support Israeli Jews would really give to this idea?

      I can understand Palestinians being wary but maybe something like this can work.

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      • Pedro X

        “I wonder how much support Israeli Jews would really give to this idea?”

        None. Israelis are not giving up the successful state which they built while the Palestinians eschewed a state so they could make attempts to eliminate the state of Israel. Jews self determined 68 years ago and they are not going to be sacrificial lambs to make reality of a Palestinian dystopia.

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        • Gustav

          The proponents of such foolishness ought to look at what happened in other parts of the world where two warring populations were forced to live together in a pressure cooker type situation. Places like…

          – Yugoslavia

          – Rwanda

          – Lebanon (remember the 20 year civil war?)

          – Iraq

          – Syria

          Even populations which lived in peace eventually voluntarily (and peacefully) separated in Cheslovakia. I fail to see why some brain dead people are trying to push such a stupid agenda on Arabs and Jews. Virtually every Israeli rejects such a stupidity.

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