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WATCH: What occupation looks like in the occupied Jordan Valley

Palestinian residents of the Jordan Valley are forced on a daily basis to cope with Israel’s arbitrary military policies, from imposing restrictions on movement to home demolitions to a lack of access to water — all while Israeli settlers living on the same land face none of the same issues.

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    1. Lewis from Afula

      The Jordan Valley was LIBERATED in the 6 day war from the illegal Jordanian / United Arab Republican / Fakestinyan / South Syrian (pick your adjective – its all the same) people.

      If the squatters-aggressors don’t like it, their homeland starts just 10 miles down the road.

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      • Ben

        Don’t you ever get tired of trolling this site like this with this repetitive mindlessness? You’re like a person who’s repertoire is limited to pounding rocks, and he’s just happy as a clam to do that all day long. I’m for goodness of fit, but this is not a pounding rocks kind of place.

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        • Lewis from Afula

          This site DESERVED to be trolled for its sheer quantity of nonsensical mindless drivel.

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          • Bruce Gould

            @Lewis: I just got my results back from 23andme! I’m 99% Ashkenazi Jew with a touch of eastern European. So if I understand your philosophy of nationality/identity, it would be perfectly ok for the U.S. government to hound me until I went back to Belarus or maybe Israel – my ancestral homeland. I like it! In fact, we should give everyone DNA tests and send them packing if they’re in the wrong place! Let’s tidy thing up around here!

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          • Rivka Koen

            Not a hint of irony in you, a person who posts the same nonsensical mindless drivel on every single +972 article’s comment section, making such accusations at the site you’re obsessed with commenting on.

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          • Rivka Koen

            Also why is there even an approval process for comments if the sort of hate speech Lewis from Afula regurgitates daily gets approved anyway?

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          • Ben

            Rivka, Lewis’ comments show the world what the unvarnished, un-hasbara-coated Israeli right wing is really like. Afula’s Lewis is not an outlier, he is not “the village idiot,” he is just less discreet in public about it than the rest of them.

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          • Rivka Koen

            Unfortunately I’m not sure it matters anymore, considering how acceptable similar views have become in societies throughout the world.

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          • Lewis from Afula

            Ben:
            My comments correspond to mainstream Israeli thinking in 2019. Your thinking corresponds to outdated pre-Osloist myths that have utterly failed the test of history.

            The only people who agree with your fictional ideas are infamous degenerates, radical self-haters and confused commies like: G. Levy, A. Hass, I. Pappe & S. Hever. A motley crew of confused sickos (although I suspect Mr Pappe might be writing his sloppiest history ever on purpose – for the $$$).

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          • Ben

            “My comments correspond to mainstream Israeli thinking in 2019.”

            Precisely my point. The ugly Israeli. The jig is up. The Jewish and Democratic Charade is over.

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          • Ben

            So in this ugliness we see clearly what the residents of Afula, and not just Afula, are really like. As opposed to the hasbara Israel presents to the outside world.

            Israeli Residents, Including Mayor, Protest Sale of Home to Arab Family

            ‘We don’t have a problem cooperating with Arab businesses, but we won’t have them live here. We stand by the residents in this protest. Afula must remain a Jewish city,’ council member of the northern city says
            https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-residents-and-mayor-protest-sale-of-home-to-arab-family-1.7372003

            “Amnesty International asked Attorney General Avichai Mendelblit to suspend [Mayor of Afula] Elkabetz along with members of his list. “We were not surprised by Avi Elkabetz’s participation at the demonstration with ‘Afula Yehudit’ and flags from (far-right group) Lehava outside a house sold to an Arab family. During his campaign, Elkabetz had made clear in his view there is no room for Arab residents in the ‘pure Jewish city’ of Afula, and that all those against it would suffer from persecution, threats and incitement.” The call to disqualify Elkabetz was declined by Mendelblit, Amnesty said, adding that “If the inciter is Palestinian, he goes right to prison, whereas if he is a Jew, he can be mayor, a minister or even prime minister.”

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          • Rivka Koen

            Israel has been shedding the hasbarah for years now, though. Netanyahu has realigned Israel with exactly the sorts of leaders who explicitly appeal to the Lewises of the world. Even Zionist Jews are starting to wake up to this, though most are misguidedly still hoping to save Zionism, and fail to see the root of the problem in the sort of dispossession, erasure and apartheid that makes it possible for people to claim Afula is “a Jewish city” in the first place. Seeing the ugliness of the Israeli right certainly won’t help people get there any faster.

            Few people are fooled by Israel anymore, and Israel has been caring less and less about fooling anyone. Netanyahu didn’t make a fake sign for an illegal settlement that would be named after Trump if it existed because he wanted Israel to be seen as tolerant and progressive. He did it because he knew it would make a good meme for fascists to share worldwide and use as weapons against Diaspora Jews. Israel has moved on to explicitly sadistic propaganda; it no longer needs the kind that portrays itself as moral.

            So Israel has been shedding its skin for a long time. So has the right everywhere else. The world is entering an age of raw despotism, brutal and gleeful violence and hatred for their own sake, and Israel is a tremendous part of how we’re getting there. It’s not necessary for people to read the comments section of +972 to know this; they just have to stop deliberately ignoring it.

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          • Lewis from Afula

            Ben:
            Another BShitty Haaretz nonsense article ?
            Tsk tsk tsk…
            Reading that propaganda does you no good.
            Everytime you read another page of distorted half-truths, faked quotes and G. Levy’s delusions, your IQ falls by several points.
            But when your neuronal adctivity reaches a certain minimal threshold, further cultural marxism brainwashing ceases. You become totally & irreversibly BENNED.

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          • Lewis from Afula

            Ben believes Israel is NOT a democracy. Except we had elections a few months ago and there will be another general election in September.

            More democracy in 2019 Israel than that which ever occurred in the Ramalla administration’s entire history. But then that filfthy entity is run by a President who holds a Holocaust Denial PhD plus a glorious role as Munich Olympics Butcher.

            But Ben enjoys IGNORING those facts.

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          • Rivka Koen

            Lewis when you’re angry and hateful, the logical part of your brain is turned off, as is your ability to discern fact from fiction. Hate and anger are reasonable responses to real injuries and normal emotions that people need to allow themselves to feel, but they are also manipulated by demagogues like Netanyahu and even worse people out there. They keep you in a state of constant anger and hate because they don’t want you to ever use your brain long enough to figure out how badly they’re lying to you. This works particularly well on people who are shamed for feeling any emotions other than anger and hate.

            I can tell you’re not thinking with the logical part of your brain right now because the logical part of someone’s brain doesn’t say things like “that filthy entity,” or baselessly state that Abbas has a PhD in “Holocaust Denial” which is not even a real subject. Nor do they tend to string together insults like “Fakestinyan” and “squatter-aggressor,” or make objectively meaningless claims like “their homeland is 10 miles down the road.” That’s the part of your brain talking that has no ability whatsoever to tell a fact from a strongly-worded emotional appeal.

            It’s common for many right-wingers and overbearing liberals to confuse the two and believe they are talking facts and logic while speaking entirely in emotional terms that are either objectively untrue or have no truth value whatsoever; this is informally known as Ben Shapiro’s Disease.

            Until you are capable of ever using the part of your brain that is capable of knowing the difference between a factual statement and an opinion, you should avoid telling other people that they are ignoring facts.

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          • Lewis from Afula

            Rivka:
            I hate to bring this up but Abbas does indeed HAVE a doctorate in “Holocaust Denial”.
            Try googling: abbas holocaust denial PhD
            You will get over 100,000 hits.
            SORRY……I DID NOT MAKE THIS UP. ITS TRUE !

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          • Rivka Koen

            Again, you seem to be incapable of distinguishing hyperbole from fact. There is not a single university in the world that has ever awarded a literal “PhD in Holocaust denial.” Abbas holds a doctorate (Candidate of Sciences) in Oriental Studies. Instead of spouting absurdities like “who holds a Holocaust Denial PhD,” you’d do better to make factual statements like, “who denied the victim count of the Holocaust in his doctoral thesis.” But you don’t know the difference.

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          • Lewis from Afula

            In his thesis, Abbas misquotes the famous historian, Raul Hilberg, to support the PLO terrorist’s allegations that less than 1 million Jews were killed. Abbas raised doubts on the existence of the gas chambers, quoting the infamous Robert Faurisson, on their nonexistence. In a 2004 global survey of Holocaust denial, published by David Wyman Institute, describes the book as “denying the Holocaust”.

            I am always amazed by the mental gymnastics that libtards employ to excuse fanatical Muslim Arabs from their vile antisemitism. If Pres. Trump tweeted even 1% of what Abbas wrote, I bet you would not say “you seem to be incapable of distinguishing hyperbole from fact”.

            That is why I dislike Leftists. They judge people NOT by what they actually said / did but on their identity-status rung in the libtard ladder. For some reason, arab mass murderers-Holocaust deniers are in your ladder’s top rung.

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          • Ben

            “They judge people NOT by what they actually said / did but on their identity-status”

            One of the great pot calling kettle black statements by the guy who can’t stop gnashing his teeth and foaming at the mouth about Palestinian identity-status. Quite a spectacle of poor insight.

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    2. itshak Gordine

      The Jordan Valley is part of Judea and Samaria, which, as their names indicate, are part of the historical, national and religious heritage of the Jewish people. There is only a limited number of Arabs in this province, the majority of them living in areas under the Ramallah administration

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      • Ben

        Your personal medieval ideas about the 21st century legal and practical import of your “heritage” and your sinister dismissal of the lives of “Arabs” who live, farm and shepherd flocks in the Jordan Valley are only of interest as a datum in the study of overvalued ideas and destructive cult phenomena.

        “The Ramallah Administration” is an Orwellian construction. As pointed out elsewhere, to the extent the PA performs real administration, it functions as an auxiliary to the occupation.

        This is about an assault on human rights and basic human decency in the name of a ruthless judeofascism—and all men and women of good will should resist.

        Halevy, you were born twenty centuries too late. It’s your task to come to terms with this.

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      • Rivka Koen

        If Arabized non-Jews are uncomplicatedly Arab and their ancestors’ roots in “Judea-Samaria” are cancelled out by this, wouldn’t this also mean that Westernized Jews (Ashkenazim and Sephardim) are uncomplicatedly European and that our roots in “Judea-Samaria” are cancelled out by this?

        Or does this only apply when you’re trying to sleep better at night knowing about the crimes that are taking place in “Judea-Samaria”?

        I watched a survivor of the Shoa speak, who was talking about passing in goy society in Warsaw in order to provide help from the outside to the uprising. He couldn’t comprehend how Poles could just go about their day knowing that the ghetto was burning and that they could see it with their naked eyes. He just wanted to scream at them, “HOW CAN YOU NOT HELP?”

        But we all know how they dehumanized Jews; it was the same way that everyone else in Europe did it. They said Jews weren’t Poles, and therefore didn’t belong in Poland. It didn’t matter how long Jews had been living in Warsaw; Warsaw was for Poles only, and everyone else didn’t matter. And that by being foreigners in “their country,” Jews brought it on ourselves. If this sounds familiar, it’s because it should.

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        • Lewis from Afula

          I agree with Rivka:
          End the crimes in Judea & Samaria.
          By repatriating its Arab terrorists.
          Their relatives on the East Bank are waiting for them.

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        • Ben

          @Rivka: About roots cancelled out, excellent penetrating observation.

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        • Joel

          “Westernized Jews (Ashkenazim and Sephardim) are uncomplicatedly European”. Rather hard to say that, as they clearly had a different culture (for example religion and language) and identity from the surrounding Europeans.

          “Arabized non-Jews are uncomplicatedly Arab”- If they have a separate culture (for example religion and language) from other Arabs, then one could say this statement is false. Do they? Do we know that they are “Arabized non-Jews”? It is likely that some are, and also likely that many are Arabs from other lands.

          There has been some jump of logic here. Jews in Germany or Egypt were obviously and recognizably Jews. Arabs in the Jordan valley or Ramallah are obviously and recognizably Arabs. Arabs that have developed a national identity in recent decades, but Arabs nonetheless.

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          • Ben

            Misses the point. German Jews were German through and through and proud of it–and German was their language. Yes they had a cultural distinctness. Yes the Palestinians have their own distinct local identity and culture, their own distinctness. They have been in the land for centuries. They have a right to self-determination. It is just ethnic supremacism and narcissism that leads right wing Israeli Jews to begrudge this and constantly nitpick around the edges of it. It’s a tiresome, false issue, an empty propaganda tool, a land-grabbers’ talking point.

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          • Rivka Koen

            Palestinian Arabic is also absolutely distinct from Arabic as spoken on the Arabian Peninsula, where Arabs come from. It may be less distinct from Jordanian and Lebanese Arabic, but this says less than the Israeli right believes it does, because Jordan and Lebanon were traditionally Canaanite lands, which makes it entirely reasonable to speak of a distinct Arabized Levantine culture with origins in the Arameanized Canaanites who Jews also belonged to.

            Can you really speak of a distinct and homogeneous Jewish people who were ever the sole inhabitants of Ancient Judea? No, you can’t, considering even the Tanakh is rife with complaints that not all of Israel and Judah’s subjects worshiped God. Much less can you speak of a Jewish Samaria, since at most Samaria was occupied by Judean kings under the Hasmoneans. At best you can speak of Canaanites who were, for a while, ruled by Jews, Samaritans, Babylonians, Persians, Romans, Greeks, Arabs, etc., etc.. Some of them remained after Jews were expelled, many of them embraced Islam, many of them kept their indigenous religions (e.g. Samaritanism and Syriac Christianity), others invented new religions, etc. At a certain point they started identifying as “Arabs,” and intermarried with them as we intermarried with Europeans, but this didn’t change their roots, and they kept a separate culture and language that is still distinguishable today from the other parts of the “Arab world.”

            A significant portion of the ancestors of the Palestinian people have never lived in the Arabian peninsula. Nor have they ever lived in Jordan, or Lebanon, or Syria. Sending them “back to Jordan” is as absurd as sending all Jews “back to Europe.”

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          • Lewis from Afula

            Well, Israel captured those lands in 1967 from guess whom……?
            JORDAN.

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          • Rivka Koen

            Which had occupied them after the UN partitioned Palestine into two states, an Israeli one and a Palestinian one, so what’s your point? One occupier was switched out for another.

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          • Lewis from Afula

            Until the 6 day war, all Judea & Samaria residents were HAPPY to be JORDANIAN. They all held JORDANIAN IDS and could get JORDANIAN passports if they needed to go abroad. If the 6 day war had gone wrong, their planned massacres of Israelis were going to occur in the name of JORDAN.

            The fake name of “falestine” was an idea that these disgusting thugs adopted several years AFTER their attempted genocide failed. The 1st time the PLO flag was flown in Judea & Samaria was at a demonstration in the early 1970s. This devious name-changing was aimed to remove their own guilt of starting the war and to place the guilt on their Israeli victims. Its ridiculous that some people (like yourself) have been fooled by these malevolent manipulations.

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          • Ben

            This is a phony war history, no surprise there, but one thing that might have stirred their already long-existing national liberation and self-determination movement to advance over time was that army troops from Jordan were not belligerently occupying them, ruthlessly kicking them off their farms and out of their houses and moving in foreign settlers to take their place in a relentless race-based land-grab scheme, and shooting them to death or disappearing them inside prisons indefinitely without a shred of due process and torturing them when they protest and looking the other way when settlers are burning their olive groves all the while pretending to negotiate and “wanting peace.” Ya think?

            Peace Now: “There is ample historical documentation showing that a separate local identity among Arabs living in Palestine started forming in the 16th and 17th century, and that a national Palestinian consciousness began crystallizing early in the 20th century, as anti-colonial movements took root around the world. This national consciousness transformed into a national movement and later into a national liberation movement, in large part as a result of the friction between the Palestinians and Zionism, the Jewish national self-determination movement.”

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          • Lewis from Afula

            Ben’s version of history is simply a figment of his Haaretz-filled imagination. Too much Ilan Pappe, Amira Hass and the forever-blinking G. Levy tends to do that.

            I can only suggest Ben finds newspaper articles of the late 1960s and see how the people living in Judea and Samaria define themselves.

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          • Ben

            You have two futile obsessions. Trying to exercise mind-control on what Palestinians think about themselves and their identity–a lunatic obsession–and an obsession with Haaretz. All one has to do is read +972 Magazine to get the truth anyway. But please quote chapter and verse and reference on one thing Amira Hass ever wrote that you can refute. You can’t do it. Like any empty obsession with a straw man or a scapegoat, it’s empty at the core.

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          • Lewis from Afula

            Ben is not so much a Straw Man.
            More of a Cmmmunist Man

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          • Ray

            Zionists think all Arabs are the same for the same reason they think all Jews are the same: ethnonationalism requires you to see races as big homogeneous blobs.

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