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WATCH: Conscientious objector on why she refuses to join the IDF

Atalya Ben-Abba, 19, recently refused to join the Israeli army on moral grounds and, like others before her, was sentenced to jail. Here, she talks about her reasons for conscientious objection.

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    1. carmen

      She said wrt to expansion of outposts “This is so offensive to Palestinians who live there” and it’s plain that it is very offensive to Ms. Ben-Abba. You’re not alone! Continue to fight the good fight. Love Social TV!

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    2. i_like-ike52

      Lucky for her there are plenty of others who are willing to join up and protect her and the rest of us. I wonder if she has noticed what the Arabs are doing to their brother Arabs/Muslims with their fratricidal slaughter now and in the recent past in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Algeria, Libya, Yemen, etc, etc. Has she ever thought about the fact that if they are willing to do these things to brother Muslims/Arabs, what would they to us if given the chance?

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      • Baladi Akka 1948

        You’ve posted the same s*** for years, are you paid to occupy the comment section ?

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        • AJew

          Are you, Baladi?

          It really is amazing about the Palestinian Arabs and their supporters. They make accusations against others but they never look at themselves.

          I mean this was just a minor silly comment from Baladi but it is symptomatic of the “thinking process” of people like her. Which is: whatever I do I do and it is ok. But if others do it then you need to deride them and be hostile to them.

          That is why this conflict between Jews and Arabs is so intractable. Sad but true.

          Now I am bracing myself to cop an earfull for speaking out. Ok, lady, I am ready. Come and do your worst. Dish it out.

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          • Ben

            ​Anything to distract from what Atalya Ben Abba says, huh? “Don’t listen to her!, look over here!”

            Gustav you thrive on these false battles and your warped sense of who does and does not “look at themselves.” What one sees depends on one’s values. Your values are very very different from the values of +972 Magazine. Yet you think it a moral failing when people here don’t see it your way. As if you, of all people, had 360 degree vision. That’s the astounding illusion you live with and fulminate about 24/7 here. The illusion that you see “both sides” and others don’t. It’s the most amazing error and self righteousness. Atalya Ben Abba, only 19 years old, sees so much that you can’t or won’t see.

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          • AJew

            “What one sees depends on one’s values”

            Really? Is that why you choose to ignore objective history, Benny? Because according to your value, you can just ignore whatever Palestinian Arabs did wrong and your value dictates that you need to concentrate ONLY on what Israel does wrong?

            Is that why you only see what you want to see, Benny?

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          • Ben

            ​What one sees depends on where one looks. You constantly avert your eyes from just what Atalya and Yehuda describe. I don’t ignore objective history. You are studiously ignoring objective history every time you peremptorily call Breaking the Silence “liars.” You studiously ignore the entire occupation, which word you place in quotation marks, and you peddle the very odd idea that the occupation is your just deserts to “get back at them for what they did to us,” as if you never did anything to them and the ledger books are all stacked on your side. My position on the occupation has already factored in what both sides did to each other and looks at the present and the future. I could just as readily harangue you on why you defend Israel but never talk about all the wrong things Israel did. You have this impossibly self righteous idea that the haranguing you do should be a one way street. It astounds me, frankly.

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          • AJew

            Ahhhhhh the occupation. I thought you’ll never mention it Benny (sarcasm).

            So tell us Benny, how do you think the occupation can end if your pin up boy Abbas (Abu Mazen) won’t even negotiate with us? You do of course know that for the last 8 years he refused to sit down with Israeli negotiators to negotiate a peace deal without setting preconditions that Israel must meet before he would “do Israel a favor” and would be willing to negotiate. You do know that, Benny-leh, don’t you?

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      • Ben


        Ike you insult the young Atalya Ben Abba’s intelligence and you insult ours. She knows very well that your connection is false. She knows very well that the settlements and the occupation have nothing to do with defense and everything to do with offense. She’s an Israeli and she wasn’t born yesterday but 19 years ago. 19 years old and she knows the score very well. You can’t fool her. She is very impressive. Yehuda Shaul knows the score very well too. You might be able to pass your propaganda off on some tourists dropping by here but not on the impressive Atalya and not Yehuda.

        Yehuda Shaul makes it very clear:
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JxHE4KrLvj0

        It’s worth the whole hour and a half. If you want the take home message watch minute 21:00-25:00. Israel tells itself and others it’s playing defense but it’s really playing offense. It always says it’s on the way out but it’s really always on the way in. Before 21:00 he describes the purpose of Breaking the Silence: to show Israelis: “This is what we in the military really do in your name.” From 25:00 on he describes what he means by “offense.”

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        • i_like_ike52

          It’s the post-1967 settlements that cause the problems? Then explain to me why the 1948, 1956 and 1967 wars took place, all coming from Arab threats to eradicate Israel prior to the establishment of Israeli control of Judea/Samaria and the Jewish communities located there? What has changed regarding Arab attitudes since 1967 that wasn’t there before?

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          • Ben

            ​Your characterization of 1948, 1956 and 1967 is false to begin with and is designed to set the stage for a false question. The premise seems to be something like:

            “I don’t understand, Your Honor, my wife and I had a huge fight in 1948 that led to lots of court battles and disagreements and restraining orders, and she dislikes me mightily and I don’t care much for her either but we’re stuck in the same house together because neither of us wants to sell it, so why does it cause problems if I beat her now? I only beat her because she hates me. Can’t understand why she can’t can’t let me have more and more rooms in the house and let me rape her and just because of that minor crap she keeps hating on me? So unfair!”

            I would not want to be your defense attorney on this one. I’d try to settle out of court and on flexible terms.

            It’s as if you said to a doctor, “I don’t understand, doctor, I had a kidney infection leading to a systemic infection many years ago, so how could this so called “pneumonia” be hurting my lungs now? Or lead to a systemic infection? I don’t get it. And I feel fine at the moment. What’s the problem?”

            It’s as if…well you get the point.

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          • AJew

            Ooooookkkk. So now the Palestinian Arabs are just our poor little helpless wives whom we constantly beat up through no fault of their own.

            I gotta say, they are a helluva feisty wife. Our marriage started very badly (the Hebron and Safed massacres of 1929, the Arab revolt of the 1930s, the blackmail of the Brits not to admit Jewish refugees from Europe’s death camps, the 1947 riots, the 1948 Arab invasion etc) and we are just beating up on them now? I’d say our reaction is quite mild compared to how others would have reacted.

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    3. si_si

      love and respect for the young brave lady

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    4. Elizabeth Ann Jones

      So glad that they are strong independent young women with consciences who know right from wrong.Thank you for standing up for the Palestinians who are victims of human rights violations!

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    5. Itshak Gordin Halevy

      She is betraying the Jewish State. All my grand children will serve in the IDF. I hope that she will stay in jail for a long time.To be part of the Jewish army is a great honor..

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      • Ben

        ​Halevy your unabashedness and the total obliviousness with which you reproduce the language of European fascism is a sight to see. In your tone deafness and naïveté (and this from a European with a Swiss education!) you are far more honest than others. Ze’ev Sternhell called Israel an almost ideal laboratory for fascism. Boy was he right. Sternhell vindicated.

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        • AJew

          “​Halevy your unabashedness and the total obliviousness ….. In your tone deafness and naïveté”

          Ironic. This admonision to Halevy comes from a man, Benny, who made the following comment to me in response to me mentioning the long list of Arab hostilities, intransigence and atrocities committed by the Palestinian Arabs against the Jews of Palestine and subsequently Israeli Jews.

          “What one sees depends on one’s values”

          Benny later tried to put a better light on it by saying that he factored those wrongs in but now we need to talk about the present and the only thing that is wrong with the present, at least according to Benny, is wait for it … you guessed it…. the OCCUPATION!

          But every time I ask Benny, how does he imagine the occupation can end (even if we ignore Hamas), how can it end when his pin up boy, “the peacemaker”, Abbas refuses to sit down and negotiate a peace deal without setting preconditions? He refused to sit down and negotiate with Israel during the entire term of the Obama administration, that’s 8 long years he wasted.

          Every time I ask Benny that question, he just shrugs his shoulders and skulks off. Then the next time the discussion comes up, he utters the magic words again “OCCUPATION” as if he has never even heard my question to him before.

          In other words, Benny is true to his maxim:

          “What one sees depends on one’s values”

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    6. Ben

      “Abbas refuses to sit down and negotiate a peace deal without setting preconditions”

      What a fake issue.

      Only you could respond to a video of conscientious objector Atalya Ben-Abba with “Ahhhhhh the occupation. I thought you’ll never mention it Benny (sarcasm).”

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      • AJew

        But still no answer to my question about why Abbas refused to even negotiate for the last 8 years? I mean Benny, how can you ignore that? How do you expect the occupation to end without a peace deal?

        Ok, I know your answer already, it is this:

        “What one sees depends on one’s values”

        LOL 😂

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        • Ben

          As I said, it’s a fake question about a fake issue.

          As for the last sentence, you can play silly games willfully misunderstanding me, but I think, for example, the Dylan who penned this line would see through you: “How man times can a man turn his head, pretending that he just doesn’t see?”

          So that if you are fascinated by what it all means, oh devoted scholar of the Benny, a fuller version for you to lovingly pore over and explicate with commentary in the margins might be: What one chooses not to see (the occupation and its gross mistreatment of human beings) depends on one’s values.

          And that, my nudnik friend, warrants no “LOL.”

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          • AJew

            “As I said, it’s a fake question about a fake issue.”

            Yes Benny, the Palestinian Arabs refusal to even negotiate for 8 long years is a fake issue (sarcasm).

            And asking the questions:

            1. How can there be peace without negotiations?

            2. How can the occupation end without peace?

            Are fake questions (sarcasm).

            Benny is in full avoidance mode. A classic Benny pose. The man refuses to be pinned down. He wanted to talk about the here and now. He says he factored in past Arab wrongs, and atrocities which they committed but now the occupation needs to be addressed which he says is entirely Israel’s fault. The Arabs are all innocents even though Benny says he factored in the past misdeeds (understatement) of Arabs. Despite that, according to Benny, the Arabs are just innocent victims and judging by Benny’s above response, he does not feel the need for Arabs to even lift a little finger to try and resolve the mess.

            Good luck with your one eyed message Benny. You have no self respect. Let alone respect for others.

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          • Ben

            They never refused to negotiate. They got deliberately unacceptable negotiation terms because the very last thing Bibi wanted to do was genuinely negotiate. That’s one reason why your questions are fake questions about fake issues.
            No need to reply on this, I know you will differ in a 75 point power point presentation.

            “the Arabs are just innocent victims…”
            This is absurd and childish. No humans are innocent. Everyone is guilty. Both sides are guilty of transgressions. An agreement has to be worked out by adults without exploiting victimology that pretends Israel is innocent or that a calculus of blame justifies the stealing of land and the brutal subjugation of its inhabitants. You obstinately throw up this false calculus of “we do this but they did that” that is just a version of “managing the conflict” for fifty more years. It’s just hasbara.

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          • AJew

            Hasbarah, shmasbarah. Another term that anti Jews like you corrupted into derogatory connotations. Again: the word literally means “EXPLANATION”. And what exactly is wrong with us explaining our side of the conflict?

            Talking about explanation, you still have not explained why Abbas has been unwilling to at least sit down and try to negotiate a peace deal for 8 long years? I repeat: How can we get a peace deal without negotiations? How can the occupation end without a peace deal?

            And your excuse, Benny, is: wait for it… drum roll… drum roll… drum roll…

            “They got deliberately unacceptable negotiation terms”

            WTF? What the F….K does that even mean? A vague throw away comment.

            But you fool no one. You fool no one because the ‘would be’ peace negotiations would have been conducted under the watchful eyes of Obama and his faithful lapdog, Kery, who are not exactly Israel’s number one fans. And they were the ones who were setting the terms of negotiations. Bibi didn’t like it. But he was still willing to negotiate. For a brief period (10 months), he even instituted a freeze in settlement building which was politically very difficult for him but still, wild horses couldn’t drag Abbas/Abu Mazen to the negotiating table. The truth hurts, eh Benny?

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          • Ben

            “Obama and his faithful lapdog, Kery, who are not exactly Israel’s number one fans. ”

            Actually that is falsehood inside a falsehood inside a falsehood. 1. Compared to the rest of the western world they are your number one supporters by far. You ingrate. 2. American Cabinet officials are “lapdogs” of their Presidents?–just illustrates your unthinking, screeching, appalling disrespect. 3. This +972 forum is not a rah rah blue and white pom pom cheerleading/booing contest. Something you never get straight and fulminate about incessantly in a simple minded way.

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          • AJew

            I am not even responding to that last post because it is a deliberate attempt on your part to avoid answering the following questions:

            1. Why has that so called peace maker Abbas refuse to sit down and even attempt to negotiate peace terms for 8 long years?

            2. How can there be peace without negotiations?

            3. How can the occupation end without peace?

            And please don’t insult people’s intelligence by your previous feeble attempt to brush over those important questions by claiming that the “negotiation terms” were unacceptable. Because that is just using different words to preconditions which Abbas tried to force through as a condition for negotiating. That is exactly the EXCUSE that he used for not negotiating. Netanyahu actually said that he is willing to negotiate without preconditions. In fact, as I mentioned before, for a brief period (10 months) he even agreed to Abbas’s precondition and he introduced a freeze on settlements. Even that did not bring Abbas/Abu Mazen to the negotiating table. But you blame Israel? What else is new? Do you even have the propensity to admit that you and your side are ever wrong?

            No! Of course you don’t!

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          • AJew

            “The fake questions again…”

            Only because Benny has no good answer to those very pertinent questions.

            And because Benny is unable to answer those questions which burst the bubble of the universe in which he chooses to live.

            According to Benny, Arabs can demand that Israel has to agree to their preconditions even before negotiations. Then what are the negotiations for? What Benny is saying is that there is no need for negotiations because the Arabs have a god given right to dictate terms of surrender to Israel.

            Yet at the mere hint of Israel trying to set preconditions to Arabs, Benny performs hystrionics about how Israel is trying to humiliate the Arabs and how unfair is that …

            Conclusion:

            Benny is bereft of ideas about how this mess should be resolved because contrary to his expectations:

            1. Peace will never come without honest to goodness negotiations.

            2. Without peace, the occupation cannot end.

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          • AJew

            Benny has lately taken to use the response “FAKE QUESTIONS”. I have been thinking about it a bit. What could he possibly mean by that? I have come to the following conclusion:

            Fake Questions = Questions which Benny cannot answer.

            LOL 😏

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