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WATCH: Activism and spirituality in the Palestinian olive harvest

At the height of the olive harvest this year, the Palestinian residents of Jayyous were assisted by volunteers from Israel and abroad. The activists came to the West Bank to combine activism and spirituality. Beyond the contribution of their manual labor, however, their very presence also helps reduce and prevent friction with the Israeli army and settlers.

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    1. Carmen

      Ah, the antisemitism libel. “It’s a trick, and it’s working”. Not for much longer.
      Love the israel social tv!

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    2. Bus189

      This is literally the definition of activist tourism. A bunch of Westerners get flown out for a short symbolic but ultimately meaningless activity while meditating and “finding a deeper and more supportive way of living a full human life”. It reminds me of Franz in Kundera’s The Unbearable Lightness of Being. Useless kitschy activity meant to disguise the ultimate meaninglessness of their lives. Now upgraded with yoga and instagram.

      This is the ultimate in… wow… I don’t even know what to call it. Some sort of self-centered quasi-adventure voyage of self-actualization through third world tourism and noble savage encounter.

      My favorite was the guy that tried to put on a brave face about going into a “dangerous area” and then was clearly surprised that, wait for it, “there are people living here”. He is just so excited by how real and lifelike it all is. Like he is in some sort of adventure wonderland. And the guy with the red shirt and the yellow hat and the goatee. The outfit is just perfect. Hahaha. And the guy behind him with a giant camera around his neck. And the woman on the tractor with the selfie stick. And the poor Palestinian guy that has to drive these wankers. At least he is getting some free labor out of them. Maybe he can sell these suckers some authentic Palestinian olive wood statues (made in China).

      If someone wanted to do a better parody of Western pro-Palestinian activists they would have a really hard time beating the real thing. Just wow.

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      • Ben

        Bus, I read your screed here before I viewed the video and I expected to find SOME correlation between your contemptuous characterization of it and the actual video, and was genuinely surprised to see that you did not even distort what is there to view, you applied to what is there to view a fake, clichéd, out-of-whole-cloth-fabricated attack on what is there to view. It is eye opening to me because it demonstrates to me that you have this set of canned attacks that you pull out of the bag and simply apply to whatever, as one dusts crops or waters the lawn. The people here, every one of them, come across as anything but the “wankers” you style them as. And the irony is that you pull out “adventure wonderland.” Just wow. If any phrase describes the American settler transplants to a “T” it is that phrase. Living an ersatz, Disney Theme Park Wild West Bank adventure safari, a bad faith escape from their humdrum American bourgeois lives, and all the while playing at Cowboys and Indians, but without the real danger the true American Pioneers faced, because unlike those Pioneers, these theme park visitors are babied and protected to the hilt and at every turn by a massive army, dedicated soley to their protection, while they viciously bully the Palestinian inhabitants of the territories. It is truly a sordid spectacle.

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        • Bus189

          What do you call yuppies and aging hippies on a yoga retreat in a conflict zone so that they can meet noble savages and learn from their ancient Eastern wisdom while finding inner peace and pursuing social justice by hitting a tree with a stick for a few hours before being completely tuckered out and being served delicious dinner by the natives? Establishment kitsch.

          “Hey Timothy. Take a picture of me with your smartphone. Look, I got one of those funny hats on and I am next to an olive tree and with an arm around my pet Palestinian. Make sure to get the settlement behind me. This will get so many likes on Facebook. I can’t wait to get back to the UK to tell people about my journey of struggle against my own demons and against injustice. Viva La Revolucion! You take that picture yet? Upload it and tag me. I gotta take a dump. Who can give me a ride to Aroma?”

          Activist tourist wankers fits.

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          • Ben

            “Hey Greenberg, give me a few squeezes off your M16 to scare these sheep herders while I beat the shit out of one of them for daring to farm his land. Hey Weinstein, hand me that torch for burning their olive trees. Hey how’s your uncle Mike back in New Jersey doing since you decided to come over here to paradise a few years ago and leave that shitty salesman’s job? Oh, wait a minute, that Palestinian is walking toward me. This is getting too real. I’m getting scared. Call up the local army base for a dozen uniformed thugs to drive over here ‘n show people who’s the boss. They’ll show up pronto cuz they know who’s really their commander. Yessir nothing like being a rugged individual on the western plains of Samaria. Fresh air! Organic mutton! Meditative empty prayer rituals that I don’t even understand much less believe in but they make me feel real authentic Jewish-like, ya know?! And women out here, they’re different, it’s kinda like Little Jewish House on the Prairie and I feel all rough and tough with my army issue assault weapon on my back while I swagger around glowering at the indians. Oh here’s the IDF company right now, on the double, the most moral army it’s so inspiring Weinstein, I gotta tell ya, ok, ain’t life grand? Tonight we’ll drive into Tel Aviv on our private Jewish-only super highway and catch dinner and a movie. I love westerns. And tomorrow, we’ll redeem the land, yeah baby, god works in wondrous ways!!!”

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          • AJew

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            Ben’s mask is slipping. Keep it up Ben, don’t be bashful. The truth will set you free 😝

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          • Bus189

            Love it! Your hatred of Israel and Jews just oozes out. All one has to do is to ridicule the wankers that make up the anti-Israel movement. Too close to home Benny boy? Are you one of these idiots that spend lots of money to go to the third world and hit trees for a few hours feeling that you are doing something useful and meaningful? While you do that do you chant something like ‘No pasaran’ or ‘hasta la victoria siempre’ while wearing your che guevara shirt? Do you share with other participants such deep and meaningful phrases like ‘I really felt like I had to do something’ and ‘I really feel connected to the struggle’ and ‘We just need to work together’ which then get promptly posted on facebook and twitter for the usual keyboard choir to comment such equally meaningful things like ‘I am with you in spirit’ and ‘the struggle must go on’ and ‘I really respect what you are doing’? And then do you go home to your ‘normal’ job and do you feel like you are missing the ‘revolutionary struggle’ which ‘unites people under a common banner of fighting for blah blah blah’?

            Yuppie activist tourists are hilarious. Or are you of the aging hippy variety looking to rekindle the fires of his youth when you were in some obnoxious anti-Imperialist and ‘pro-peace’ organization sponsored indirectly by the lovely and wonderful human-rights superpower called the Soviet Union? So you decide to do something original and non-cliche like going to “the holy land” to help the noble savages pick olives? You know.. Meaningful stuff that really has an impact. I guess everyone has to figure out how to spend their vacation time. Apparently this organization has discovered that there will be idiots that will literally pay to go serve as menial labor for a few hours as long as they get a selfie and a few likes back home out of it and feel part of the “struggle”.

            But hey, the struggle must go on, right? Even when it turns to hilarious parody.

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          • Ben

            No, I love it! Anti-Semitizism, the last refuge of the scoundrel! I thought you were in recovery from this bad habit. You’ve relapsed? As someone commented ‘about the olive harvest social TV video: ‘Ah, the antisemitism libel. “It’s a trick, and it’s working”. Not for much longer.’ Your ad hominem is absolutely no more meaningful than me saying to you “Oh Bus, your hatred of yuppie progressives and hippies just oozes….”

            Translation of your rhetoric: “Dulce et decorum est, pro patria [distort things and anti-Semitize]. “

            I am pleased with the illumination of these issues that is playing out here. I won’t be intimidated. Have a nice day.

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          • AJew

            “I won’t be intimidated. Have a nice day.”

            Nah, we know that, Ben. You cannot be embarrassed. Of that we can be sure. I’ll leave this by quoting you again:

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            Have a nice day Ben.

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          • Ben

            I’ll leave you by quoting Bus189 again:

            “an arm around my pet Palestinian.”

            You guys can certainly give it. But you can’t take it.

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          • AJew

            “You guys can certainly give it. But you can’t take it”

            Context my man, context. Your quote of Bus189 is an image about an aging hippy with his arms around a Palestinian, pretending to do stuff for propaganda purposes to help the Palestinian propaganda machinery.

            Very apt. The quote about you though Ben just helps to slip the mask off your face a bit. Very telling. Telling indeed.

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          • Ben

            “context”

            I can always count on you to make my point. Please, tell us what it is you don’t like about my usage in this context. And what “mask” you mean? And how my satire and Bus’s satire differ. Be specific and detailed. Be explicit. As opposed to insinuating. Spell it out. Make an actual argument. I am all ears. Seriously. I look forward to your reply.

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          • AJew

            “I can always count on you to make my point.”

            What point is that Ben? This one?

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            I don’t need to insinuate. You make your own point very ably. Have a nice day.

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          • Ben

            You’re being cagey, Gustav, and It’s not like you except when you sense you’re on shaky ground but you don’t really understand why. I understand your reticence. Please explicitly state what is wrong, from a human rights standpoint, with my parody of American Jewish settler cowboys in the Wild West Bank who would ejaculate “Jewish-like, ya know?!” I think it characterizes nicely their casual, convenient and probably in most cases unwitting corruption of Judaism and Jewish history for less holy and genuine purposes.(I make this point ably I hope. You just misunderstood the point. But that’s not my responsibility.) Not all that different than a Christian fundamentalist who lives anything but a genuine Christian lifestyle back home but visits Bethlehem and is ecstatic about how he feels all “close to Jesus and Christian-like, ya know?!” Though I mean something else too that is central to the point I am making with satire. I mean an ersatz, bad faith escape from secular, assimilated anomie. These Americans in the West Bank are seeking and find something important, a shared sense of identity, norms, and history, and trust among their tightly knit settler in-group–it is a wonderful escape and rotation experience–but it comes at the cruel expense of others. I have a good friend who grew up in Charleston, South Carolina and came from an old white Charleston landowning family. And together we were visiting an antebellum plantation. There was great beauty and authenticity in some ways to the land and the lifestyle and the customs that the place reflected. And he turned to me and he said, “it was a beautiful culture in many ways but it came at the expense of unimaginable cruelty and injustice. It was just wrong.”

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          • AJew

            No need for me to be cagey. Nor do I need to make my point explicitly, Ben. You make my point for me when you say:

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            Your mask is slipping, Ben.

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          • Ben

            Oh Gustav, must I always spell things out for you? You can’t make your point because you don’t have one. Because in order to make one you’d have to be explicit and quote me in context and be rational and once you do that the game you’re playing collapses. You can’t make your point but once again you make mine for me.

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          • AJew

            Ben wants context? Here is the context: Ben was describing two fictitious settlers from America in a very negative way. Then for additional effect, he described them as feeling:

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            So I quoted it back to Ben, he posted how many posts now in response? He just won’t let it go, As Hamlet said:

            “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

            So tell us Ben, please. What have I actually accused you of? Why are you protesting so much? How many more posts are you going to write about what am I accusing you of? Go back and read my posts. All I have been doing is quoting your own words back at you and it just drives you nuts. Why Ben? Please feel free to tell us why are you upset? I have visions of you foaming at the mouth and pounding the wall helplessly with your dainty little fists. If I were you, I would make an appointment with someone appropriate who can guide you through this little crisis of your own making. You need to take a suitable relaxant so you can relax. You really sound a bit frayed. I am actually getting to be worried about you.

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          • Ben

            Yes, as I suspected. You have no point. That settles it. Thanks.
            Your latest escape tactic: Pretend the other guy is losing it, angry, whatever. OoohKaaay.

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          • AJew

            Escape tactic Ben? What exactly am I escaping from Ben? From quoting what you said?

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            You are the one who has been trying to escape. That is why you have posted so many posts about it 😟

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          • AJew

            Very original Benny. You are boring me though. Bigots are boring. Don’t you think so Ben?

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          • Ben

            Yes that’s your other escape hatch: “I’m bored.” As Carmen noted with perspicacity. You know of course what is a person online who is angry and harasses without having a point: internet troll. In addition to have descended here to being a mere troll, however, you also do something special, something comically annoying that nobody else as far as we know has ever done better.

            You are a truly world class nudnik. If the word did not exist they would have to invent it just for you. But you give “nudnik” new meaning, new heights. This is an awesome amazing achievement. You are the Olymic Gold Medalist in the Nudnik Games. The Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt of Nudnikism combined. LoL.

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          • AJew

            Spoken by one nudnik (a bigotted one – you) to another nudnik (me).

            The difference though is that I admit short comings, both personal and our collective ones. You on the other hand Ben, never admit anything. I mentioned the fact that one in 20 people has psychopathic tendencies. And guess what Ben, you are one of those ones. You are the sort of person who spits in the face of someone else in front of thousands of people. Have it captured on video and would still deny the act. Moreover, you’d claim that it wasn’t spit. It was rain. And you’d actually believe your own story.

            Have a nice day Ben.

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          • Ben

            Oh I don’t think so. No need to get spitting mad there fellah. You will remember that I have graciously and humbly admitted that Bruce is much more patient and diplomatic than I am with nudniks and trolls. I admire Bruce’s Olympian restraint. This “psychopathic tendencies” thing is rich. Amidst such characters as Tomer, Lewis from Afula, Itshak G. Halevy? Wow.

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          • ANew

            Deflect, deceive, deny. That’s Ben’s motto.

            You are a laugh a minute Ben. You called me a Nudnik. And because it is true, I immediately admitted it. I then rightly called you too a nudnik. Do you admit that you are, or not? Your numerous posts in here, many of them not even relevant to what we have been discussing are a full testament that you are every bit as much of a nudnik as I am.

            Awww gooooow on Benny, admit it. The truth will set you free. Go on be a devil 👿 admit it. Being a nudnik is not as bad as being a bigot 😂

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          • Ben

            You just can’t make this stuff up. You realize that you are now being a nudnik about being a nudnik? A true George Costanza maneuver. It’s not recommended.

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          • AJew

            Do you realise that while you are a champion critic of “the other”, Ben, you have zero insight about yourself? You have zero tolerance for being criticized? And that you are a champion at deceiving yourself?

            PS
            And don’t bring up that BS about how you admit being impatient as compared to Bruce coz that is just another example of your self deception. Your patience, Ben, is incredible. How many inane posts have you written on this thread alone? And for what? Just to deflect from having put your foot in your mouth when you said this:

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            … once again proving what a bigot you are. But you cannot bring yourself to admit it.

            Oh well, Ben, I on the other hand, being the nudnik that I am, I can continue doing this for as long as you can.

            Have a nice day.

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          • Ben

            You really mystify me, George. What on earth is foot-in-mouth about satirizing a Jewish American guy from New Jersey or Wisconsin with shallow knowledge of and religious connection to Judaism who tromps around the West Bank with an AR-15 strapped to his back and a massive army to hold his hand, by saying :

            “Yessir nothing like being a rugged individual on the western plains of Samaria. Fresh air! Organic mutton! Meditative empty prayer rituals that I don’t even understand much less believe in but they make me feel real authentic Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            I think it’s pretty good satire myself. Not award winning satire. But pretty ok.

            I mean this endless noodling about this threatens to go beyond nudnikism into pure schmendrickism. And you wouldn’t want that, would you?

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          • AJew

            “You mistify me…”

            Nothing mysterious about your bigotry Ben. The context in which you wrote:

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            …talks about two imaginary settlers in a very negative way. Then you ascribe to them “Jewish-like” feelings. And that is on top of how you described Judaism on another thread:

            “Judaism is tribal and exclusive not inclusive”

            Which also sounds very anti Jewish especially since it is untrue. At least no more true than any other religion (I can prove it to you again if you want me to).

            And that is on top of your blatantly biased anti Jewish state stance in which you make it clear that off all the peoples on this earth, the Jewish ethnicity alone must not have a Jewish majority Jewish state bacause according to you, unlike other ethnicities Jews are incapable of being fair to minorities even in peace times.

            So, Ben, that is your track record. To put it bluntly, again, you are a bigot! And in the immortal words of Hamlet.

            “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

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          • Ben

            “in the immortal words of Hamlet”

            You are funny, Gustav. Hamlet, the archetypal neurotic.

            Well Reform Judaism certainly isn’t tribal and exclusive but you’re not seriously going to argue that the Israeli Rabbinate’s reigning form of State Judaism is not tribal and exclusive, are you? You’re such a black and white thinker. If I recall I coupled that statement to my awareness about how the more defensive, insular, exclusive forms are a totally understandable evolution under the pressure of centuries of anti-Semitic persecution. So you’re all wet. A slanderer. A slandering schlep. You desperately want me to be a bigot because you just can’t believe that anyone but that could think like I do. (And yet you traffic in casual anti-Arab bigotry and think that just fine. Because “we are at war.”) And you know what? That’s tribal and exclusive thinking. You are a bigot. You nudnik.

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          • Ben

            Re: Judaism, exclusive, certain contemporary forms of

            The family wants the child to be Jewish. The rabbis say “no”. It’s an infant. The whole family but the mother is Jewish. Because of that the infant is rejected.

            //////
            By Anna Momigliano
            Published 20:05 27.04.15
            MILAN – When Daniela Dawan’s first nephew was born, in late 2000, the family travelled from Milan to Rome to have Italy’s most prestigious rabbi, Elio Toaff, perform a giyur katan – newborn conversion – on the infant, whose mother wasn’t Jewish.

            By the time Dawan’s niece was born in early 2002, however, no Orthodox rabbi willing to perform such a conversion on the offspring of a mixed marriage could be found in the whole country. Toaff, the charismatic Tuscan-born rabbi who headed the Jewish community of Rome for half a century (1951-2001), had retired a few months earlier
            “Within less than two years, the climate had changed dramatically,” Dawan, a lawyer, novelist and former representative of the Rome-based Union of Jewish Communities, tells Haaretz.

            “The [Italian] Rabbis were becoming way more strict, as if they were following the guidelines of Israel’s Chief Rabbinate.”
            http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.653815

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          • Ben

            If you ask me, traditional Italian Judaism could be a model for Israel, not the other way around:

            “For centuries, the vast majority of Italy’s Jews have followed a unique form of Judaism – Orthodox, but extremely open to the outside world, with a relatively lenient interpretation of the halakha, traditional Jewish law, and a strong emphasis on combining secular and religious education.

            Nowadays, however, some believe that this tradition is getting lost as rabbis of the older generation have retired, and younger rabbis are embracing stricter versions of Orthodoxy espoused by certain Israeli and Ashkenazi authorities.”

            http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.653815

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          • AJew

            Aaaaaand Ben just keeps on keeping on with his bigotry:

            “Jewish-like, ya know?!”

            In saying that, Ben talks about two imaginary settlers in a very negative way. Then he ascribes to them “Jewish-like” feelings. And that is on top of how he described Judaism on another thread:

            Aaaaand he now changes what he said on that thread from:

            “Judaism is tribal and exclusive not inclusive”

            To the Israeli Rabbinate. Ben says:

            “but you are not seriously going to argue that the Israeli Rabbinate’s reigning form of State Judaism is not tribal and exclusive, are you?”

            But even on that score he is wrong because the Israeli Rabinate carried out lot’s of conversions to Judaism.

            “According to the ministry, 5,671 people successfully converted in 2013, compared to 4,312 in 2012”

            http://m.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Ministry-touts-rise-in-rates-of-conversion-to-Judaism-338203#article=0OTM1RTZFNjdDMzE4RkExQTRFMjRDMDNDMzM4ODM5QzY=

            So, Ben’s allegation that non Jews can’t become Jews because Judaism is tribal is exclusive is just another bigotted claim by Ben and others like him.

            Oh and here is another bigotted claim by Ben on that other thread:

            “Ben in effect said that Muslim prohibition of intermarriage is not as bad as Jewish opposition to intermarriage because Muslims opposition is based on religious grounds. But according to Ben, Jewish opposition to intermarriage is NOT based on religious grounds.”

            How does that work? In Israel, non Jews can marry Jews if they convert to Judaism. They can even marry Jews if they don’t convert and marry in a civil ceremony in a foreign embassy or somewhere outside Israel and the civil marriage is recognised according to Israel.

            On the other hand, non Islamic men cannot marry Muslim women according to Islam. But according to Ben, what Islam does is more acceptable than what the Israel does.

            If he would have criticised BOTH Islam and the Rabbinate, I would not have had a bone to pick with him on that score. In fact, I might have even agreed with him. But true to form, Ben’s position is discriminatory. He is bigotted. He claims that Israeli Rabbis are worse than Islamic clerics because according to Ben, Israeli Rabbis are against intermarriage on racial grounds but Islamic clerics are against intermarriage on religious grounds. Go figure!

            Put everything together and everything points to the fact that Ben is a plain old fashioned run of the mill, garden variety Jew hating bigot!

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          • AJew

            Hey Ben.

            If the Rabbinate’s objection to intermarriage would be race based rather than religion based, would the Rabbinate allow the conversion of even a single non Jew to Judaism and allow them to marry Jews? Of course not! Yet the Rabbinate converts thousands of non Jews to Jews every year and most of those converts marry Jews. So there goes your allegation that the Rabbinate is racist. It leaves you with egg on your face but no shame about your bigotted claim!

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          • Ben

            Good link. Three things there are worth revisiting. The article by Yael Marom–about what Israeli leftists can learn from the radical right; the link to Eva Illouz; and the arguments in the comments, with which I am well satisfied.

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          • AJew

            Of course you are satisfied. Because you think you are made of Teflon and nothing sticks to you, Ben. The question is: are others satisfied? We will just leave it to them. I hope they will read what you said on this thread and the other thread and judge you by what they read. Based on that, I am satisfied that you are a true bigot, Ben.

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          • Ben

            I hope so too. Realize that you will have to label Eva Illouz, not just me, “a bigot.” Your basic problem, Gustav, is that I actually read stuff by intelligent, well-informed, thoughtful Israelis. So you can’t depend on your usual disinformation and smug but erroneous assumptions that work fine on less informed people. And that drives you nuts. (It’s why+972 itself drives you nuts.) And so you fall back on the only thing you’ve got left (especially now that a person on the Right called your “Jewish State” gimmick “a red herring”): name calling. Illouz:

            “In Israel the rabbinate has played an increasingly powerful role in transforming nationality into a quasi-racial definition, reserved only for a group that meets clear biological requirements (conversion processes are so difficult and humiliating that they are de facto a politics whose purpose is to dissuade non-Jews from joining the Jewish people, thus reinforcing the biological view that a Jew is someone born of a Jewish mother). It is not by chance that religious people in Israel are spearheading racist views…..

            “Rabbis on the public payroll call for not employing Arabs and for boycotting shops that do so; these rabbis also call on the population not to rent or sell apartments to Arabs. They frequently cite the Torah to justify the idea that that Jewish and non-Jewish lives are of unequal value. In fact, the view that Jews and non-Jews are both equally the children of God would be, for many religious Jews, sacrilege, a profanation of Judaism. The Lehava organization, that which battles against interfaith marriages and has set for itself the goal of maintaining the racial purity of Jews has been, as revealed in Haaretz in 2011, indirectly financed by the State of Israel.”
            http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.735303?v=036836DE6B2A2A7743800117B75C4315

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          • AJew

            “Your basic problem, Gustav, is that I actually read stuff by intelligent, well-informed, thoughtful Israelis”

            Your basic problem, Ben, is that you are a bigot.

            You hate Jews in General and Israeli Jews in particular which from time to time you can’t help but demonstrate on threads such as this.

            Then you search out writings from sources which support your preconceived conclusions. Sometimes those sources of yours fully support your views because they are kindred souls. At other times, they don’t fully support your views in which you quote them selectively. Only the bits which put your objects of hate, Jewish Israelis in the worst possible light.

            Last but not least, you never look at alternate sources which convey opposite views to the views that you prefer or which put things in historical perspective and context because you are just not interested in anything which may explain why Israelis do what they do because simply put, we are not even human in your eyes. You are a true bigot Ben!

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          • Ben

            “Because you think you are made of Teflon and nothing sticks to you”

            But of course you give the game away with this language: Throw mud at Ben and see if you can get it to “stick.” You always get ugly, Gustav. Your response following that is a kind of sandwich. On either end is the stale white bread made of “Ben is a bigot.” One hundred percent ad hominem. But it doesn’t stick. Not because I am “Teflon”—what is that supposed to mean except that I am evidently not actually the things you yell that I am and I am competent? And in between these stale slices is a bunch of whining about “sources.” As if you ever brought sources that supported the opposite of what you argue. As if every word of your whining about me would not apply to you in spades. As if you did not use all of this carping to studiously ignore my source of Eva Illouz.

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          • AJew

            “I am competent?”

            Are you Ben? What are you competent at? You are competent at throwing mud at Jews and Judaism and the Jewish state.

            PS
            I addressed Eva Illouz’s comments. Read what I said again about the thousands of conversions carried out by the Rabbinate every year.

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