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The Egyptian revolution (as seen from a hotel room in Eilat)

A simple weekend vacation in the south had some more meaning as the region was changing around us

Eilat (Photo: Flickr / redsea2006)

The magic of it all

I happened to be in Eilat this weekend for a deserved rest as Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was spending his last hours in Cairo. I was watching Fox News (that’s all they had – what can I do?) as the reporter suddenly heard the crowd at Tahrir square begin to roar. The roar was getting louder and louder, and nobody could figure out what was going on. Only a few minutes later, it was understood that the roar was a roar of victory. Mubarak had resigned.

I have to admit, I got a lump in my throat. It was definitely on of the most moving things I’ve witnessed, albeit from afar.

But after a few minutes, two other feelings took over:

Jealousy: I wish Israelis would take to the streets to make their country better.

Fright: What does this mean for the region I live in? The big unknown.
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The hypocrisy of it all

Since the revolution began, and up to the grand finale on Friday, I enjoyed watching the news networks and seeing leader after leader squirm in front of the cameras, attempting to explain why they supported Mubarak through the years, despite being fully aware of his crimes. They didn’t even flinch, they had an answer for everything. A source of stability, the peace treaty with Israel, blah blah blah. How many Egyptians were tortured or died for that so-called stability? I wonder if we’ll ever know.

I also thought about my own hypocrisy, as someone who visited Sinai many times during Mubarak’s reign. Shouldn’t I – and my other left-wing brethren – refrained from visiting that country under his rule? Was going to Sinai pretty much saying: “Yeah, I know this is a dictatorship – but I gotta have fun sometimes, too!”?

And then I got to thinking about the crimes of other dictators in the region. The Syrians, the Saudis and others. And I did something, which I can’t decide if it’s foolish or not: I compared their crimes to the crime of the 43 year occupation.

And I thought of all the people, all the organizations and all the countries who vehemently – and rightfully so – detest and protest the ugly occupation of the Palestinian people.

And I thought of all those courageous international activists who come to Israel and brave the tear gas in Bilin every Friday, together with those occupied Palestinians.

And I asked myself: why have they never gone to Syria or to Egypt to protest? I mean, if they’re already in the region, why not go protest another evil, just as bad?

But is it? Is it just as bad? Is the occupation a worse crime than those of Mubarak or Assad?

Are Palestinian lives more sacred than those of Egyptians, Saudis, Syrians or Iranians?

Or maybe I should ask: Are Jewish/Israeli crimes worse than those of Egyptians, Saudis, Syrians or Iranians?

Otherwise, how can one explain the warm embrace these regimes have gotten for decades? And how can one explain the existence of a justified international outrage at the Israeli occupation – but the nonexistence of justified international outrage at iron-fist regimes across the Middle East?

Is occupation a crime that must be stopped immediately? Yes.

Is Israel singled out? Yes, I believe it is.
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The irony of it all

Just hours before Mubarak resigned, the missus and I went for a walk on the beach promenade, known today as “The Gandhi Boardwalk”. It’s named after former IDF General and politician Rehavam “Gandhi” Ze’evi, who was murdered by Palestinians in a hotel in Jerusalem.

Ze’evi was a dangerous man. He was a racist who fooled a lot of people into believing he wasn’t one. There was something cool and calculated about him, something that reminds me of today’s Avigdor Lieberman. His legacy is an ugly one, as ugly as the crime that brought a premature ending to his life.

As I looked at the memorial for him on the boardwalk, I thought: How Israeli. How typically Israeli it is to name the boardwalk of Eilat, a city nestled between two countries it has made peace with, after this man who said “I am afraid of peace”. After this man, who was so far from anything that even sounded like peace.

I found it so idiotic, that I asked the missus to take a picture of me, as I held my Gap shopping bag and grinned. Like an idiot. It seemed like the only idiotic thing I could do to match the deed of the Eilat municipality.

Clash of the idiots?

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The ugliness of it all

Eilat is an ugly town. They’ve turned it into a Mideast Vegas, and even managed to ruin the nice boardwalk they once had with dozens of stalls that block the view of the sea.

I used to consider Eilat as a rest stop on the way to Sinai, in my opinion one of the most beautiful spots on earth. Even though many of my friends still go, Sinai is no longer as safe as it used to be, and particularly now that I’m a family guy, precautions must be taken.

I can only hope that Egyptian democracy will once again ease passage to that wonderful peninsula.

I miss the sahlab.

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    1. As a peace and social justice videographer independent media activist in the USA I appreciate you opinion and thank you for sharing – Peace

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    2. Elaine Meyrial

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      Noam Chomsky had a convincing answer as to why he and other progressive Americans criticize Israeli policies: our government funds the state of Israel to the tune of $3.5 billion/annum and is complicit in the ongoing attempt to ethnically cleanse historic Palestine of its native people. We could end this 60-year-old injustice against Palestinians as we ended our support of apartheid South Africa or the Mubarak regime in Egypt.

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    3. Heleen

      Ami – I must admit I think you’re right if you say Israel is being singled out. But perhaps there is a more-or-less rational explanation for this. First, while Mubarak and other stooges like Assad oppress their own people (or ‘oppressed’ in Mubarak’s case, thank God), Israel oppresses a people whose land it has occupied. Second, most of us consider Israel as “one of us” – more or less belonging to the “Western” world. Moreover, it advertises itself as such. Third, Israel claims a special treatment by “the West” by virtue of its being the “victim” (of the Holocaust, but also of all things that befell the State of Israel after 1948).

      These factors taken together give Israel a different status than other Middle Eastern countries. For some in “the West”, the second and third factor are a reason to stand with Israel no matter what. For others, like myself, these three factors are reasons to “single Israel out”.

      Is this perhaps an answer to your questions?

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    4. Heleen – I agree with most of what you say. Yet still, I have my problems with it. I can understand why some might expect “better behavior” of Israel, because it is of “the West”. But I believe that all kinds of suffering should be treated “equally”, if I can put it that way. Who is to say that suffering under occupation is worse than suffering under tyranny? Should Mubarak or Assad get less opposition from the West, just because they’re not “Western” like Israel, or just because they’re hurting their own people and not another nation? I’m not so sure…

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    5. Janna

      I have to agree with the previous comments as to some of the reasons why the crimes of Israel against the Palestinians would be viewed differently than those of the Syrian government against the Syrian people, etc. It’s a bit of a false comparison. A more appropriate comparison might be China and Tibet.
      I have wondered in the past why the China/Tibet situation gets less attention than Israel and Palestine, and many of my answers for this have also already been mentioned: the West doesn’t fund China’s occupation of Tibet; the west doesn’t consider China to be a western country with shared culture and values; and China doesn’t portray itself as a righteous victim nor (have a means to) manipulate western guilt into support for their occupation and colonization of Tibet…

      BTW, you can get sahlab in the West Bank.

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    6. Janna – so basically, it’s not that the crimes of these countries are worse, it’s just that they were smart enough not be Western or to portray themselves as victims and so on? I’m not saying i disagree – I’m just saying, is that if I was a Tibetan or Egyptian, and I was wondering why the West was only worried about Palestinians – you’re answer would make me very mad. (BTW, the Egyptian army is heavily funded by America)
      You see, I can understand why Israel’s crimes would be viewed in such a magnifying lense – I just can’t understand why that means you have to be blind to the other crimes going on.

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    7. Janna

      Ami- Having just seen your response to previous comments, I’d agree with you that harming and oppressing one’s “own” people is not less appalling or wrong than oppressing people who aren’t considered one’s own. That said, those Western activists who express solidarity with Palestine may also feel the historical weight of their own countries’ colonial and occupying pasts (and presents) and therefore feel a particular need to combat this type of oppression with which their “own” people were also associated.
      Additionally, the West officially renounced the concept of colonialism several decades ago, but Israel continues to practice it overtly. This may be another reason why westerners might find this situation a more pressing one.
      Furthermore, many people consider national revolution or the overthrow of a corrupt regime in any particular country to be up to the citizens of that country, and that outside interference would be at least as likely to hurt any such effort as to help it.
      On the other hand, the Palestinians have expressly invited western activists to participate in the their struggle, and external pressure has historical precedent for being one effective tool for ending similar types of ethnically-targeted oppression elsewhere…

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    8. Janna

      To be fair, wasn’t the western world equally blind to the Palestinian people’s struggle for a very long time? I suppose I’d also be angry if I were Tibetan or Egyptian or whatever that my struggle gets less attention, but then I’d look at what the Palestinians have done to gain international support and try to emulate it as best as possible from my own context.

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    9. Janna – very well said, and I must agree with most of it.
      Yet I still can’t shake the feeling that the West has turned a blind eye to these regimes. That there’s some kind of double standard. That there’s more to the singling out of Israel than all those reasons you brought up – which are indeed correct, by the way.
      I guess what I’m trying to say is: injustice is injustice. And if you want to protest injustice in the Middle East – there’s more than one place to do it.

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    10. Elaine Meyrial

      1. We in the West divided and awarded Palestinian land to Europeans victimized by other Europeans on the continent of Europe. The problem belongs to us because the United Nations, dominated by colonial powers, thought nothing of disenfranchising Christian and Muslim Arabs of their land, homes, and businesses.

      2. Acknowledging our complicity, we owe Palestinians a sovereign, viable state on the remaining 22% of Palestine. As an American, I am not guilty of financially supporting the persecution of Tibetans, North Koreans, Burmese, or Somalians or a myriad of other suffering people in this world, but the $15 million per diem sent to Israel comes from my earnings.

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    11. Ben Israel

      Elaine-
      Just for the record, half of the Jewish population of Israel are NOT Europeans, they come from the Middle East, India, North Africa, East Africa, Southeast Asia, etc.

      Secondly, you financially support Chinese repression far more than your financially support Israel. Look at how many products you buy that come from China. Time for BDS ! (also don’t forget Indian repression of Muslim Kashmir).

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    12. Elaine – your earnings also supported millions of dollars a day to the Egyptian army, who protected a dictatorship. Are you not guilty also in the case of the Egyptians?

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    13. Tamir

      There is a built-in self-defense mechanism in most Israelis, a mechanism I have been able to dissassemble with great difficulty, that requires, even contrary to the glaring facts before us all, that “injustice is injustice” and we should all blame everyone else as much as we blame Israel. No we shouldn’t. We should blame Israel for doing something so unique, the very suggestion that it is no worse than what others are doing is, to my mind, a crime of disinformation, Ami. It is unique that Israel lies about its position against the existence of palestinians, at all, in their own land and has been doing so since before 1948 concealed somehow today only by a thin veil of bullshit propaganda. It is unique that Israel maintains a doomsday nuclear threat against the world which it conceals with disgusting cries of its right to exist against a brief history of a few homocide bombers and stone throwing little boys and girls who’s entire lives, histories, and cultures have been systematically destroyed. It is unique that, unlike any dictatorship in modern times, Israel maintains a constant blanket of oppression over the identity and aspirations of generations of Palestinians, with tanks in their streets daily, with hundreds of thousands of illegal arrests and tortures, with demolitions of thousands of homes, and with the constant arming and protection of a reckless and fanatical “settlement” movement numbering in the millions over the past 40 years. Israel’s crimes are in a league of their own!

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    14. Tamir

      And while I don’t encourage nor justify any form of violent resistance against the brutal occupation of Palestine, I also won’t stoop so low as to call the assassination of Zeevi as ugly as his own legacy. Your suggestion that a desperate act of a man who’s hope of ever experiencing freedom is daily quashed by Zeevi should be judged as equally as criminal as Zeevi’s decades-long systematic and blood-thirsty killing of everything the eventual assassin lives for is further evidence of your need to immediately disassemble your self-defense mechanism. I don’t hold you responsible for crimes against humanity, Ami. But if you don’t begin to take more seriously the difference between black and white, you are in danger of imprisoning your own conscience beyond reprieve.

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    15. Tamir – you misunderstand me blatantly. I wasn’t saying to blame other countries as much blaming Israel. I’m saying it’s hypocritical to blame Israel and not only refrain from blaming other regimes for their crimes – but to embrace them.
      As for your comment on Zeevi: I’m sticking to my words. His legacy was ugly, and his murder was ugly.

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    16. Tamir

      I wonder about a journalist who sticks to his words…

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    17. Tamir – 🙂 That has to be my favorite comment of the day

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    18. Jo

      First of all, occupation is much more obvious than oppression and brings much more outrage, mainly because of ongoing ethnic cleansings and sometimes even threat of an existence of nations, while oppression is not targeted on stealing all the land but on having control over population. For example, everyone says that Hitler was pure evil, but many of them even today think that Stalin was a great leader, even though he murdered more people than Hitler (which, by the way, is a slap in the face for many nations inside Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe that were targeted for their nationality)
      Secondly, till now there is an ongoing propaganda supported by many politicians and journalists that says, that Arabs don’t want democracy, it doesn’t suit them and even if they wanted it, there would be a disaster because of radical islamists that would definitely have power then. That’s why many disinformed people accept regimes in ME for the fear of “islamic revolution” and war. I can see it on TV when they always mention “role of radical islam” in Egypt.
      BTW, Israel is not nearly as singled out as many people there think and as she deserves. Her leaders can still move freely towards the West, are welcomed warmly almost everywhere, even those that should already be in court. Lukashenko from Belarus can’t do it, while nobody from Israel was officially blamed for the situation in Gaza.
      Finally, Palestinians work really hard for our support and they gained our sympathy, while most of Israelis whine too much and try to victimize themselves in pathetic way, which, believe me, disgust us. For many people there is a clear black and white situation, which, for all the reasons I mentioned before, is not the case for other countries in ME.

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    19. @JO – So, according to that logic, theoretically, if Stalin was alive and still killing his people – it still wouldn’t have angered people as much as Israel does, right?

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    20. directrob

      I think you are wrong. Israel is not singled out. As a strategic partner it gets the same praise as any other rogue regime that is needed by the west. If Israel is singled out it is in a positive way.

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    21. How is Israel singled out exactly?

      Mubarak’s Egypt and Assad’s Syria are recognized by all to be dictatorships. There’s no mincing of words. Israel is the only one of these states (incorrectly) referred to as a democracy.

      People come to protest here because Israel still makes claims of being a democracy – and because they are invited to come and protest by Palestinians. They fill a vacuum that Israelis do not.

      Naturally a foreigner wouldn’t go to Assad’s Syria to protest:
      A. because it’s far more dangerous.
      B. because no one would dare invite them.
      There’s no vacuum to fill – that’s the nature of authoritarian regimes.

      Israel is different by nature of being different. Israel’s unique political situation requires and allows different opposition strategies than the “run-of-the-mill” dictatorships around.

      If you’re going to claim that Israel is being singled out – you’d better make a better case of it than just stating your gut feeling.

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    22. Elaine Meyrial

      Ben Israel: I am aware that there are Sephardi in Israel. Perhaps they could have stayed in their home countries had not Palestinians been victimized by the Zionist project, a European movement based in the 19th c. when it was “au courant” for European nations to occupy lands not their own.

      I don’t believe that the Zionists thought of themselves as inherently inhumane anymore than did the French, British, Danes, Italians, Germans, etc. – all of whom were colonizers. The problem is that Zionists did this in the 20th century! The late Tony Judt, the highly-esteemed British-Jewish historian put it best:

      “The problem with Israel, in short, is not—as is sometimes suggested—that it is a European “enclave” in the Arab world; but rather that it arrived too late. It has imported a characteristically late-nineteenth-century separatist project into a world that has moved on, a world of individual rights, open frontiers, and international law. The very idea of a “Jewish state”—a state in which Jews and the Jewish religion have exclusive privileges from which non-Jewish citizens are forever excluded—is rooted in another time and place. Israel, in short, is an anachronism.”

      We have seen the European Union rejects demands by the Polish government to characterize the EU as being Christian in character in its Constitution; progressives in the US are constantly in the courts challenging fundamentalist Christian attempts to weaken separation of Church/State. At the same time, we see Israel demanding that Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state when more than 20% of Israel’s citizens are not Jewish. Where does that leave the Muslim and Christian citizens of Israel?

      Amira Hass has described Israel as a democracy for Jewish Israelis. We too in the US had a defective democracy before the civil rights moment took hold. Perhaps the nonJewish Israeli citizens will be inspired by the events in Cairo.

      Ami: My tax dollars went to Egypt’s dictatorship for one reason: Israel. It was payment for signing and maintaining the peace treaty. Americans who pay attention (and more are these days) understand that and resent it.

      The US is powerless to influence China’s domestic policy. We don’t send foreign aid to China, and we don’t collaborate with China in suppressing the aspirations of Tibetans. China is not part of our ever-diminishing sphere of influence. I am surprised that you brought up this non sequitur.

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    23. Sinjim

      Before I get into it, I would like to thank Tamir for expressing this quintessential Palestinian viewpoint so well. Kudos!

      Regarding the question of why Israel is supposedly singled out, I say there are two factors. And neither of them has anything to do with the severity of Israeli crimes.

      The first is that US foreign policy is perhaps the most heated target of criticism from the left at home and abroad, and this has been the case for decades. Israel is singled among US foreign policy makers as one of America’s best friends. By being aligned and aligning itself so closely to US foreign policy and specifically US foreign policy in the Middle East, Israel opens itself up to much more criticism than, say, Syria does.

      The second factor is Zionists themselves, especially American ones. Zionists are always talking about Israel online, in the newspapers, on TV. In the US, their lobby is one of the most powerful and influential. There are extensive networks of people and organizations who are always ready to talk about and defend Israel loudly and frequently. I would point to the ADL issuing a press release opposing Muslim college graduates wearing a head band with the Shahada on it because it’s used by Hamas, even though the students’ action had nothing to do with Israel, as a prime example of this. No other Middle Eastern regime has anything similar to that dynamic.

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    24. Elaine – claiming that my raising the China issue is a non-sequitur, in my opinion, shows how you don’t fully grasp the global economy and just how you support the occupation of Tibet with every product you buy that was made in China.
      I also think that most Americans have no idea about foreign aid to Egypt, and also don’t resent it for a minute. And even if they do now – well, they should have resented it for 30 years of Mubarak’s regime. Better late than never, I guess.

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    25. Ben Israel

      Elaine-
      Instead of sitting in your ivory tower and condemning us Israelis for being anti-Progressive criminals and monsters, and telling the non-Ashkenazi Jews of Israel that they should have stayed with their Arab hosts, I suggest you find out a little bit about our Jewish history and how the non-Jews treated us in “progressive-liberal-socialist” Europe prior to 1945 and in the world of “tolerant” Islam in the Middle East…then you might find out what made us so politically-incorrect today.

      And you can do without Chinese products if you really want to. You want us to sacrifice our country, you can do the same.

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    26. JO

      As for Stalin – yes, I suspect that if Stalin was alive and killing, he’d be hated mostly by human rights activists with little interest from most of Western population. Read those comments about China – people seem to mention only its occupation of Tibet and forget about the fact that they don’t treat Tibetans any worse than Chinese people that work like a slave, have “one child policy” forced upon them, political opponents are taken to concentration camps where many of them are murdered for organs etc.

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    27. Elaine Meyrial

      Ami: An Austrian student of mine wanted to buy an American-made gift, a souvenir, to take home with him and he asked for a suggestion as he couldn’t find anything “Made in the USA.” Finding an alternative to Chinese-made products is difficult, but is beside the point. China has been colonizing Tibet before China became an global exporter and an economic power.

      I can’t answer for most Americans regarding US support for dictators in the Middle East, but I believe the events of these last two weeks have educated many. Certainly in university communities across the country where Students for Justice in Palestine groups and JStreetU groups exist, people understand the extent to which support for Israeli policies and dictators friendly to Israel has damaged our national interests.

      Professor Joel Beinin of Stamford U, a Zionist until he lived and experienced life in Israel, suggests that the “Holocaust industry” diminishes the actual events of the Holocaust because it is used to excuse inexcusable behavior now. Past events, however horrific, don’t excuse illegal and immoral behavior now.

      To quote an American Jew who is still a Zionist – Peter Beinart – Israel is losing the support of young, progressive Jews for three reasons: they don’t like Israel’s militarism, they reject the “group think” mentality of older American Jews in this country, and they abhor the demonization and denigration of Palestinians. For this reason, Brandeis U, a secular Jewish school, refused to celebrate Israel’s 60th birthday, holds an apartheid week as do other major schools across the country,and demonstrated against the presence of Israel’s ambassador to the US at Brandeis’ last commencement.

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    28. Elaine – although I agree with most of what you say, and since I am very happy people like Beinart are finally popping up in the States – your example with China seems weak, no? Why does it matter when China became an economic power? It is a power today.
      Let’s say hypothetically that you support the BDS movement against Israel (i’m not sure if you do), would you also refuse to boycott a certain Israeli product made these days, solely because the occupation already began 43 years ago?
      Why does the beginning of the crime matter? Isn’t the important factor that it is ongoing?

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    29. Leonid Levin

      Ami, when writing about “the warm embrace” towards Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria or Iran and “international outrage” towards the Israeli occupation, are you talking about governments, human rights activists or general population? I think you need to differentiate between these three as well as between the different regimes you mention. Also, I assume you’re talking about the attitudes in the Western world.

      Well, as far as Western governments are concerned, their embrace of Israel is much warmer than of any other Middle Eastern state, not to mention Syria and Iran, both of which are being vilified by the governments and the media as pariah states on the same axis of evil with North Korea and Cuba. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and lately even Yemen have been uneasy alliances for various economic and political reasons. China, like the Soviet Union used to be, is out of reach. There is a fair amount of rhetoric and grumbling, mostly for internal consumption, but there isn’t much Western governments can really do about China. Israel, on the other hand, is being seen as one of our kind, our greatest ally, a democratic outpost in the medieval darkness of the Middle East, a brave small pioneer nation fighting for its very existence.

      There are plenty of human rights groups for each of the regimes you mention. The big ones like HRW and AI regularly report on all of them. Maybe because you live in Israel, you are much more exposed to the criticisms of the actions of the Israeli government and army, and you might feel that other injustices in the world are not getting so much attention. It’s true that the tactics of human rights groups are different. While they are able to protest in Israel, they would be immediately arrested or deported in Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, Russia, Burma, Indonesia, North Korea, etc. So they protest in front of the Embassies of these countries, they write letters, petitions, they demonstrate and try to sue visiting government officials of those countries, they work with journalists and with their foreign ministries to keep them up to date on the human rights issues. There are websites and active internet fora like this one on most of the major human rights conflicts in the world.

      As for the general population, I’m afraid they often don’t care much about this and buy whatever they are fed by the mainstream media. Most people wouldn’t have any idea about the nature of the regimes in Egypt, Morocco, Algeria or Tunis. There are definitely very few warm feelings towards the Muslim world. Reactions to Israel, at least in Western Europe, would probably be split equally among supporters, objectors and the indifferent.

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    30. Elaine Meyrial

      Final comment: The US has no influence over Chinese foreign/ domestic policy. None at all. You ask why it matters that China is a major economic power now. Because they own billions of dollars of US debt. Again, no.influence.at.all.

      People participate in BDS movements because they are nonviolent means of ending illegal policies carried out by governments. At the minimum, BDS is an embarrassment to the targeted nation. The occupation has been ongoing since 1967 and worsened with the Oslo Accords. BDS only came into existence with Israel as a target after years of waiting for a sign that Israel was willing to align its policies within the constricts of international law.

      Anthony Cordesman, one of the doyens of the American foreign policy establishment, recently wrote that although both the US and Israel have mutual obligations, it was important that Israel remember that it should not be an impediment to US strategic interests.

      I think that may have been a warning.

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    31. Elaine – Thanks you for participating in the debate.
      But just for the record – I didn’t ask why China is a major economic power now. Obviously I know the answer to that.

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    32. Leonid – You’re right, there needs to be differentiation between the groups you mentioned. It probably would have provided for a better debate, too.

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    33. Your post triggered a rare phenom… welcome everywhere: civil discourse. I think the recent +972 post on your commenting policy contributed mightily. Thanks, all.

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    34. abe shevach

      i was eilat in the 60s few time as a soldier, i served there up the mountain ,the beaches there was breathtaking ,there were 1 or 2 hotels but they were preaty far from the beach. than i went back in 2005 and i wanted to scream. the hotels sitting on the water ,talk about raping a beatifull thing,where are all the conservists?no one care there or are they all taking bribes?even in the USA the most capitalist nation on earth they dont let this happend , but on the other matter dont take it too hard on the israelies ,they are surounded and these peave made with jordan and egypt were phony ,it was peace between mubarak and husain not with the arab street.

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