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Could solar energy solve the Gaza electricity crisis?

The Gaza Strip has been suffering from a severe electricity crisis for years. Now, solar energy is on the rise as a more reliable alternative, one that may afford Gazans a degree of independence from Israel.

By Ibrahim Abdelhadi

Palestinian children do their homework by candlelight at their home in Rafah refugee camp, in the southern Gaza Strip, on February 15, 2018. (Abed Rahim Khatib/ Flash90)

Palestinian children do their homework by candlelight at their home in Rafah refugee camp, in the southern Gaza Strip, on February 15, 2018. (Abed Rahim Khatib/ Flash90)

Two years ago, when the lights went out along Gaza’s shore, the Hindi family lit up some candles in their home. What ensued was a tragedy: their house burned down, and they lost three of their children in the fire. Unfortunately, these incidents are not uncommon in Gaza.

The Gaza Strip, home to 2 million Palestinians, has been suffering from a severe electricity crisis for years, and Gazans have grown accustomed to an average of four hours of electricity a day. A new initiative aims to harness the energy of the sun to overcome this crisis, and reduce Gaza’s reliance on Israel for electricity.

Khalid Nasman, 45, an electrical engineer from Gaza City, took it upon himself to install solar grids on rooftops in his neighborhood, where 15 houses and businesses agreed to raise $37,000 to collectively purchase a set of solar panels. “The cost of solar panels is relatively low compared to conventional fossil energy, such as natural gas and diesel fuels, which fluctuate in price. Their maintenance has also become economically and practically useless, given the frequent closures of the crossings,” said Nasman.

The cells are a source of hope, he added – they can provide electricity for an uninterrupted 24 hours, and compensate for the shortage the neighborhood incurs during outages. Solar energy has allowed residents to operate various household appliances, such as fans, which have been especially helpful during summer heatwaves.

According to Nasman, renewable energy projects in the Gaza Strip are steadily expanding. International organizations are increasingly sponsoring development projects that supply hundreds of homes, health centers, schools, water desalination plants and sewage plants with solar cells. Several lending institutions are providing green loans, designed to encourage people to make energy-saving improvements to their homes and businesses.

Palestinian workers trying to repair a transformer that broke down during a surge in power, following an extended blackout in the city of Rafah in southern Gaza Strip on July 3, 2010. (Abed Rahim Khatib/Flash 90)

Palestinian workers trying to repair a transformer that broke down during a surge in power, following an extended blackout in the city of Rafah in southern Gaza Strip on July 3, 2010. (Abed Rahim Khatib/Flash 90)

Gaza’s chronic electricity deficit intensified after Hamas took over the strip in 2006. That summer, when Hamas militants captured Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit (he was released in a 2011 prisoner swap), Israel bombed the only power plant there, which used to supply 43 percent of the electricity in Gaza. Now, the strip needs an estimated 500 megawatts a day but only gets about a third of that, from three different sources. The power station in Gaza produces about 23 megawatts, 120 megawatts are imported from Israel, and the Palestinian Authority purchases around 30 more megawatts from Egypt.

Earlier this year, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) in the occupied Palestinian territories warned that the Gaza Strip is on the “verge of disaster” due to electricity and fuel shortages. In June, Gaza’s only power company announced a further reduction in the enclave’s electricity supply, after its sole power station stopped functioning.

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“Renewable energy is clean and does not generate any harmful emissions. Most importantly, it does not allow the Israelis to control it, so it can be relied upon to generate electricity for homes and various facilities and schools in Gaza and the West Bank, especially in light of its low operating costs relative to conventional energy,” said Ayman Ismail, the director of the Palestinian Energy and Environment Research Center (PEC) in Ramallah.

In 2017 alone, the Palestinian Authority connected 82 schools to solar panel grids, Ismail added. The PA’s Palestinian Investment Fund plans to build solar farms on the rooftops of 500 public schools, and sell the surplus to Palestinian electric distribution companies as an investment. The Authority also intends to supply 10 percent of homes in the West Bank with renewable energy by 2030, according to Ismail.

Engineer Fadi Bkirat, one of the founders of the Palestinian Federation of Renewable Energy Industries (FREI), said the shortage of traditional sources of electricity in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip has provided motivation to explore alternative sources for electricity generation, including solar energy. “This also reduces the electricity bill that the Palestine Electric Company pays Israel, which could amount to billions of dollars a year,” he added.

A Palestinian truck loaded with supplies entered the southern Gaza Strip from Israel through the Kerem Shalom crossing in Rafah, on November 1, 2017. (Abed Rahim Khatib/Flash90)

A Palestinian truck loaded with supplies entered the southern Gaza Strip from Israel through the Kerem Shalom crossing in Rafah, on November 1, 2017. (Abed Rahim Khatib/Flash90)

To attract investors, renewable energy equipment and appliances are 100 percent exempt from custom duties and value-added tax in Palestine. But, due to reality of life and commerce under military occupation, investors are hesitant to back solar energy initiatives, said Bkirat.

While renewable energy affords Palestinians some degree of independence, they still rely on Israel to get ahold of the necessary equipment. Solar cells and renewable energy appliances are imported, and enter Gaza through the Israeli-controlled Kerem Shalom crossing, the only passage point for the import and export of commercial goods.

Israel withdrew its troops and settlements from Gaza in 2005, but the IDF soon after imposed a blockade on the coastal enclave. The Israeli army now controls the strip’s land and maritime borders, determines who and what may enter and exit, and can arbitrarily decide if and when to open the crossing. As such, Israeli policy usually dictates how long a renewable energy project could take to fully implement, and whether the devices make it to the occupied territories at all.

According to economic expert Moeen Rajab, investments in renewable electricity could create hundreds of more jobs in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, which may help reduce surging unemployment rates in Palestinian society. These investments could contribute to Palestine’s GDP, he added: energy is a key driver of economic growth in any country, and if adequately invested in as a significant part of production processes, “it could provide long-term investment opportunities in the energy sector.”

Ibrahim Abdelhadi is an independent Palestinian journalist from Gaza City who covers humanitarian and social issues. He holds a BA in journalism and media from Al-Aqsa University.

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    1. Bruce Gould

      “To attract investors, renewable energy equipment and appliances are 100 percent exempt from custom duties and value-added tax in Palestine. But, due to reality of life and commerce under military occupation, investors are hesitant to back solar energy initiatives, said Bkirat.”

      It’s worth pointing out once again that any successful economy requires a constant stream of investment money, and capitalists are very hesitant to invest in a factory that Israel can demolish on a whim ( https://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-destroys-gaza-dairy-second-time/8766 ). Israel, on the other hand, received boatloads of startup money in its early days.

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      • Ido

        It’s worth pointing out that the current electricity crisis in Gaza is mostly the result of the inner Palestinian conflict between PLO and Hamas over control of Gaza and the Palestinians admit it themselves. Of course PLO and Hamas blame each other but the Palestinian Authority controlled by Abbas are the ones stopping electricity funding on and off as a pressure tool against Hamas. I’m assuming the article didn’t bother to mention this. It’s also worth pointing out that the blockade on Gaza is the direct result of Hamas attacking Israel.
        “factory that Israel can demolish on a whim” – here’s a fun idea: don’t attack Israel with thousands of missiles and rockets and Israel will not retaliate by firing back.
        “Israel, on the other hand, received boatloads of startup money” – The Palestinians receive billions of dollars in foreign aid, I believe more per capita than any country in the world. Instead of being used for education, hospitals, infrastructure, etc. it’s used to buy weapons, build tunnels, train terrorists, pay for the ‘Martyr Fund’ for jew killers, political pay-offs, etc. I mean from what is left out of the Swiss bank accounts of the hugely corrupt PA and Hamas officials.

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        • Bruce Gould

          @Ido: Demolishing factories and homes is a sure tactic for stopping the rockets:

          https://icahd.org/2018/02/10/january-2018-demolition-displacement-report/

          32 structures were demolished in the occupied Palestinian Territories (including East Jerusalem) during January 2018, displacing 37 people- 11 of whom are children- and affecting a further 82 people. In the Naqab desert, South Israel, two demolitions were carried out in Bedouin villages.

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          • Ido

            So you intentionally ignored the fact that I was talking about Gaza ? where the rockets and missiles are fired from, or you didn’t know ?

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          • Ben

            So you intentionally ignored the fact that Bruce was talking about the occupied Palestinian territories *as a whole*, as well as areas inside Israel, in both of which places brutal, heartless demolitions are carried out for “infractions” that are only enforced against Arab persons and never against Jewish persons? Or you didn’t know? You didn’t know this form of apartheid exists? No, you know, Ido. You know.

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          • Ido

            “So you intentionally ignored the fact that Bruce was talking about the occupied Palestinian territories *as a whole*” – I wasn’t since it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, with what I said and what he responded to. To further explain to the more challenged individuals: demolitions in the West Bank got nothing to do with stopping missiles and rockets fired at Israeli civilians as there are zero missiles and rockets fired from the West Bank.
            “only enforced against Arab persons” – I’m assuming you had no idea about demolitions of Jewish homes and structures, otherwise I wouldn’t know what made you say something as ignorant as this. So you think all the homes in places like Migron
            or Amona last year simply vanished on their own ?
            “this form of apartheid exists” – ans also you have no idea what Apartheid means.

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          • Ben

            Nah, you know. None of this in your reply impresses except as a form of slipperiness and evasive pettifoggery, or humbug.

            Moreover…

            “…inner Palestinian conflict between PLO and Hamas over control of Gaza…”

            Time out for a correction ==>

            “…inner Palestinian conflict between PLO and Hamas over control of Gaza calculatedly fostered and sustained by Israel, who, in collaboration with the United States, fomented a violent coup against the democratically elected government in Gaza, and that is only the machinations we know about not the still covert ones that the Shin Bet and Mossad hand out secret awards for while publicly boasting that they are secret …”

            OK, you may proceed now.

            “….and Israel will not retaliate by firing back”

            Well, no, why would it? It will just continue occupying Gaza ad infinitum because there is no cost for it doing that ==>
            By Noam Sheizaf |Published March 11, 2016
            Why do we only listen to violence?
            https://972mag.com/why-do-we-only-listen-to-violence/117773/

            “jew killers”

            Every time you fatuously anti-Semitize like this you forfeit seriousness, as in your expectation that we take you seriously. (See: humbug. Above.)

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “It will just continue occupying Gaza” – Gaza is not occupied, Hamas admit it themselves, there is a blockade on Gaza as a direct result of Hamas’ “Jihad” against Israel. Terrorism including attacks of thousands of rockets and missiles at Israeli civilians.
            There was no blockade following Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza, there was one right after Hamas attacked Israel. You think it’s a coincidence ? are you that stupid ?

            “Every time you fatuously anti-Semitize like this” – how many times have I told you you have no clue what antisemitism means ? why are you embarrassing yourself like this ? it means hatred of Jews, specifically, not hatred of Semites, or Arabs or anyone else. Do you understand ?
            open a dictionary, this is embarrassing.
            “jew killers” – no, the terrorists who murdered Jews who receive payment to their families from the ‘Martyr Fund’ did not murder or attempted to murder any Jews. Those Jews simply died spontaneously when said Terrorists tried to murder them.
            Are you in denial about this as well ? seriously ? this is amazing.

            I like how you elegantly ignored the part where I pointed out your ignorance about the demolitions or how how what I asked and what Bruce replied to was specifically regarding rocket and missile attacks. Very smooth, didn’t even notice.

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          • Ido

            (part 1, take #2): “Nah, you know” – yes, I do know. I know this has nothing to do with Apartheid but the word has a charged meaning to it and that’s why it’s used. However it has nothing to do with Apartheid, see the evidence in the Facebook comments section.
            “None of this in your reply” – I explained this to you I think about 8 or 9 times. You of course ignored it every time. I’ll put the evidence in the Facebook comments section. As usual you’re simply lying or clueless.
            “calculatedly fostered and sustained by Israel” – you’re blaming an inner war between the 2 controlling factions of the Palestinians on Israel ? hilarious.. why not blame all tribal Arab conflict over power and control on Israel while you’re at it ? You also blame Israel for the tribal conflict between Arab ‘Hamulas’ in Gaza and the West Bank ?
            “democratically elected” – you mean the Islamic Jihadist terrorist organization which calls for the elimination of Israel and the murder of Jews ? who sees all of Israel as “Palestine” and appointed themselves as the ruling Islamic theocracy in Gaza ? which declared “Jihad” and attacked Israel with thousands of rockets and missiles ? hey if Hamas means anything it’s ‘democracy’.
            “OK, you may proceed now” – after you made one of the most idiotic claims possible ? blaming Israel over the inner Palestinian conflict ? you also ignored the fact that the Hamas Vs. Fatah conflict is also about the control of the West Bank but why confuse you with facts and reality ?
            “collaboration with the United States” – We already went over this about 3 times I believe, you’re blaming something The Bush administration came up with, approved by Rice and Elliott Abrams, and lead by Fatah’ Mohammed Dahlan on Israel. So is this a lie or are you again clueless ? See the evidence in the Facebook comments section.

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          • Ido

            See my full reply in the Facebook comments section, until this site decides to post my response.

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          • Ben

            Gaza is occupied. A commenter named ‘Yeah Right’ in these pages definitively put that issue to rest. Put a fork in it. Israel continues to be the occupier of Gaza in a meaningful legal and practical sense.

            The entity comprising Israel and the territories it occupies is indeed governed in practice by a form of apartheid. A *form* of apartheid. This also had been gone over many times, many Israelis and other persons agree with me on this, and I consider it settled and really do not care what humbuggery you devise to try to deny this.

            I really have no idea what you are trying to prove with the bit about Semites versus Jews. Anti-Semitism is hatred of Jews. Anti-Semitizing is the false accusation of hatred of Jews. I’m sorry you don’t like this coinage, but basically I don’t care. Most people understand what I mean by it.

            With respect to the rest, I am not ignoring anything, I am taking into account a larger picture that you are studiously ignoring. Your comments about Migron and Amona as exceptions to the rule counters absolutely nothing about the vast majority of cases that prove the rule. Nor does it take into account the countervailing territorial and financial rewards the settlers get in compensation for the heartbreaking tale of woe of Migron and Amona (violins play and cynical tears flow, oh the tragedy!) You are simply being devious (slippery) here except to be devious one has to be not obvious and you are obvious. Nichts Neues.

            Ido’s “against the occupation.” Except when he’s not. Which is whenever Israel heartlessly demolishes Palestinian villages in places he kinda likes for “strategic” reasons or he thinks he owns cuz he’s Jewish. Including but not by any means limited to villages in places like Khan al-Ahmar and Susiya.

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “Gaza is occupied..Put a fork in it” – hilarious.. you know better than Hamas if Gaza is occupied or not. It isn’t, they openly say so, do you understand ? see the evidence in the Facebook comments section.
            “Israel continues to be the occupier of Gaza” – nope, it continues to hold a blockade on Gaza other than the area Egypt controls as a response to Hamas’ actions. There was no blockade following the Gaza withdrawal.
            “by a form of apartheid” – nope, proved this to you and you of course ignored it. Please continue to lie about this, let’s see if that will change.
            “A *form* of apartheid” – Apartheid is something specific, it’s explained in the evidence I provided. I understand why you use this word of course, as I already said, but that is not Apartheid. Lie about as much as you like, this fact is not going to change.
            “many Israelis and other persons agree with me on this” – I know this will come as a shock to you, but you’re not the only clueless liar who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Many Israelis and other persons agree with me that you are talking nonsense.
            “and I consider it settled” – well then, if you consider it settled it’s settled. Who cares about what Apartheid actually means, right ? hilarious..
            “try to deny this” – Again: I explained in detail backed by proof why Israel is not an Apartheid. If this is too difficult for a clueless pr-Palestinian brainwashed ‘Useful Idiot’ to grasp, so be it.
            “sorry you don’t like this coinage” – nice spin attempt at coming to terms with the fact that you didn’t know what that means. Oh I like it, it shows again how you have no idea what you’re talking about.
            Of course you completely ignored what I posted about the jew killing, can’t deal with that pesky reality can you ? how pathetic.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “I am not ignoring anything” – So we have so far the bit about you not being aware of demolitions of Jewish houses, didn’t acknowledge how you were wrong about my conversation with Bruce which was specifically about rocket and missile fire, the part about the inner Palestinian conflict and now you ignore the Jew killing funding part.
            “I am taking into account a larger picture that you are studiously ignoring” – interesting excuse to ‘I ignore uncomfortable facts’. Not bad but not your best.
            “Your comments about Migron and Amona as exceptions to the rule” – no it isn’t, admit you had no clue about this or simply you forgot. There are demolitions of Jewish houses within the Green Line as well for other reasons, I’m guessing you’re clueless about this as well.
            “compensation for the heartbreaking tale of woe of Migron and Amona” – it’s not always the case, I’m assuming you didn’t know this as well. But nice attempt to change the subject. This is what you posted: “demolitions are carried out for “infractions” that are only enforced against Arab persons and never against Jewish persons”.
            Did you post this or not ? that is factually incorrect.
            “are simply being devious (slippery) here” – nope, I simply point how you have no idea what you’re talking about and I back that up. Very clearly so.
            “Ido’s “against the occupation.” Except when he’s not” – and we are back to you lying about me. I was very specific about what I said about this. Why don’t you go back and read it. Some areas, especially ones with strategic importance are off the table, but I’m in favor for a withdrawal from almost all the West Bank pending a peace agreement. The rest could be dealt with using land swap.
            “thinks he owns cuz he’s Jewish” – And we have lie #2 about me. Let’s see how many we get this time. Your record is about 12 I believe.
            “places like Khan al-Ahmar and Susiya.” – I explained this to you like to a child, backed by evidence you could not refute. More than once.

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          • Ben

            The entire lot of this is more humbuggery. In two tedious parts. When it is even coherent.

            “the fact that you didn’t know what that means”

            What on Earth can you be talking about? You seem genuinely confused. I did not invent the word “anti-Semitizing” but I have used it for a considerable time here and used it correctly and you are the first person to not understand what I mean by it and to pick a useless bone about it. Ditto with the demolitions. “You didn’t know what that means” and “you not being aware of” and “I guess you didn’t know” are forms of your tirelessly repetitive nonsense spiels, a hollow filler, an inane, empty tactic.

            “I explained this to you”

            Just more of your kidding yourself but not us.

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          • Ido

            “The entire lot of this is more humbuggery” – interesting rephrasing of me proving you wrong again and pointing out which parts you elegantly ignored.
            “used it correctly” – to deflect the notion that the Palestinians are paying for Jew murder ? to avoid addressing that I’m right about the ‘Martyr Fund’ ? which is paid by foreign aid as I explained ? another thing you ignored ?
            “Ditto with the demolitions” – nope, I explained how you were wrong. Very clearly so.
            ““I guess you didn’t know are forms of your tirelessly repetitive nonsense spiels” – you repeating your clueless Palestinian kool-aid drinking brainwashed nonsense and I pointed that out again . What a coincidence.
            “a hollow filler, an inane, empty tactic” – proving you wrong is ‘an empty tactic’. Providing evidence you just ignored again is ‘a hollow filler’, pointing out how you ignore my posts, like you just did again, is ‘inane’.
            That’s a fascinating coping mechanism. Almost as claiming the evidence is fake or ‘invert’ or saying the Palestinian leadership, the actual policy makers and the ones controlling the Palestinians, are unimportant and non-influential.
            Can you believe someone actually said this insane stupidity ?

            “Just more of your kidding yourself but not us.” – you just ignored the evidence I provided proving you wrong. Again. You just ignored my posts proving you wrong and where you made clueless mistakes and where you lied. Again.
            Pathetically trying to shrug it off and pretend it didn’t happen is more sad than amusing. But I don’t mind reading it again.

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          • Ben

            ‘…“used it correctly” – to deflect the notion that the Palestinians are paying for Jew murder ?…’

            Translation: ‘I denounce Ben for using the word “anti-Semitizing” to deflect from my anti-Semitizing notion.’

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          • Ido

            Nope, you just again try very hard to ignore the fact that Jew killers are paid for it by the Palestinian Authority. But it’s not just Jew killers, it’s all form of violence or even attempted violence against Jews.
            Also known as the “pay for slay” fund. Encouraging and glorifying terrorism with a monthly payment which is of course higher than the average Palestinian wages. Jew killers with lots of victims are paid extra based on their prison sentences.
            But I’m the one “anti-Semitizing” the Jew killers.. Your denial of reality is astounding.
            So what do we have so far ? you ignored the fact that the electricity issue is caused by the Palestinians themselves and instead blamed the conflict between Fatah and Hamas on Israel, as if Israel invented their different ideologies and disagreements, including the Arab tribal mess which I believe you have no clue about,
            You blamed Israel for something the Bush administration did, lead by Fatah’s Dahlan as I proved to you, you were wrong about my discussion with Bruce as I explained, you were factually incorrect about the demolitions, you were wrong about Israel being “Apartheid”, even trying to squirm around it (“no, a *form* of Apartheid! yes, that’s it”..),
            You were wrong about Gaza being occupied, neglecting to understand that for that to be true there should be someone occupying something, even Hamas admit it but you know better than Hamas of course, you also ignored what I said about Hamas and how their are the polar opposite of democracy,
            Did I miss anything ? oh yes, you of course ignored the evidence I provided, but that’s like saying ‘water is wet’.

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          • Ben

            That’s apartheid ==>

            By Henriette Chacar |Published September 18, 2018
            No justice for Bil’in Palestinian activist shot dead by Israeli soldier
            Nearly a decade after an Israeli soldier killed Bassem Abu Rahmeh while he was nonviolently protesting in Bil’in, Israel’s High Court decides once and for all that his killer will never see the inside of a courtroom.
            https://972mag.com/bilin-bassem-abu-rahmeh-dead-idf-soldier-investigation/137815/

            Done in the typically sneaky, covert, dragging out, double-speaking(!) occupier’s way, instead of overtly like the South Africans.

            P.S.: The soldier was paid. As are thousands of other soldiers, Shin Bet, mistaravim and others of the territorial police state/military dictatorship. Shall we call it “pay for slay” and then run around saying “”also known as that, so there, that’ll show you!”? You are simply not a serious interlocutor (never have been).

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          • Ido

            That’s apartheid” – no it isn’t as the evidence I provided, which you so far repeatedly ignore, explain in detail.

            “The soldier was paid. As are thousands of other soldiers” – they are not paid to kill Palestinians, liar. They do not get monthly payments all their days for murdering as many Palestinians as possible. What a pathetic attempt to dodge the topic of the ‘Martyr Fund’.
            “Shall we call it “pay for slay” ” – you can if you want to be even a bigger liar. If that is possible.

            You almost came to address the fact that the Palestinians pay for Jew slaughter, you couldn’t though, too much reality for you, so you instead tried to switch it to Israel in a most pathetic lying way.
            And of course you ignored my posts again. You ignored the fact that the electricity issue is caused by the Palestinians themselves and instead blamed the conflict between Fatah and Hamas on Israel, as if Israel invented their different ideologies and disagreements, including the Arab tribal mess which I believe you have no clue about,
            You blamed Israel for something the Bush administration did, lead by Fatah’s Dahlan as I proved to you, you were wrong about my discussion with Bruce as I explained, you were factually incorrect about the demolitions, you were wrong about Israel being “Apartheid”, even trying to squirm around it (“no, a *form* of Apartheid! yes, that’s it”..),
            You were wrong about Gaza being occupied, neglecting to understand that for that to be true there should be someone occupying something, even Hamas admit it but you know better than Hamas of course, you also ignored what I said about Hamas and how their are the polar opposite of democracy.

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          • Ben

            “they are not paid to kill Palestinians”

            Yes they are.

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          • Ido

            “Yes they are” – That’s an absurd lie. They are paid to defend Israel from terrorists like the ones who get lifetime monthly payments from the ‘pay to Slay a Jew’ fund.
            Your pathetic attempt at this ridiculous comparison, because you can’t seem to acknowledge reality, instead of addressing my posts which you ignored again, shows how you’re brainwashed beyond stupid.

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          • Ben

            To use your choice terminology, your words, they are paid to slay. Israeli military snipers are paid, not volunteers, and they slay protest organizers and other demonstrators and journalists in cold blood. And ordinary Israeli soldiers and police are paid to crush demonstrations by any means necessary, and they often do it using totally unnecessary lethal means or misuse non-lethal means to either kill or maim atrociously, and for no justifiable reason. But their superior officers tacitly encourage it or wink and nod. Ditto with the Israeli courts. They did it to Ahed Tamimi’s cousin, and they did it to Bassem Abu Rahmeh as I noted and they did it to Razan al-Najjar.
            https://972mag.com/in-memory-of-razan-al-najjar/135910/

            And they do it to many, many others. These are facts. I don’t care if you don’t get this.

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          • ido

            (part 2): “Ditto with the Israeli courts. They did it to Ahed Tamimi’s cousin” – who was hurt from a rubber bullet during a violent demonstration when Palestinians attacked Israeli soldiers barricaded in a house. Unfortunate but not surprising.
            “and they did it to Bassem Abu Rahmeh” – again during a demonstration, from a tear gas grenade which ricocheted from a rock causing it to change direction and hit him.
            “Razan al-Najjar” – who was not intentionally targeted but was in a war zone masked with a smokescreen created by the Palestinians to hide their border attacks.

            “And they do it to many, many others. These are facts. I don’t care if you don’t get this.” – Again: your comparison of the Israeli army to the terrorists who get payment for literally killing Jews, including lifelong monthly salaries, is beyond stupid. I understand why you do this of course, to avoid addressing my posts about the ‘Martyr Fund’, can’t handle that pesky reality thing as usual.
            And of course you ignored my posts again. You ignored the fact that the electricity issue is caused by the Palestinians themselves and instead blamed the conflict between Fatah and Hamas on Israel, as if Israel invented their different ideologies and disagreements, including the Arab tribal mess which I believe you have no clue about,
            You blamed Israel for something the Bush administration did, lead by Fatah’s Dahlan as I proved to you, you were wrong about my discussion with Bruce as I explained, you were factually incorrect about the demolitions, you were wrong about Israel being “Apartheid”, even trying to squirm around it (“no, a *form* of Apartheid! yes, that’s it”..),
            You were wrong about Gaza being occupied, neglecting to understand that for that to be true there should be someone occupying something, even Hamas admit it but you know better than Hamas of course, you also ignored what I said about Hamas and how their are the polar opposite of democracy.

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          • ido

            (part 1): “they are paid to slay” – nope, they are paid to be soldiers, like the Palestinian army, I mean police, are paid to be soldiers. I was a soldier for 4 years and I wasn’t ‘paid to slay’, I was paid to fix electronic devices.
            And I was certainly wasn’t paid monthly for my entire life for fixing lots of devices like Palestinian terrorists are paid extra for murdering lots of Jews, based on their prison sentences.
            Your comparison is literally beyond stupid. Your pathetic attempt to avoid addressing my post about the Palestinian ‘Pay for Slay’ fund and your idiotic ‘anti-semitizing’ nonsense is ridiculous.
            “Israeli military snipers are paid, not volunteers, and they slay protest organizers” – right, “protest organizers”, who also happen to shoot live ammo at soldiers, throw explosives and firebombs, throw smoke grenades and burn tires for smokescreens, Molotov Cocktails, attempt to cross the border to hand the soldiers flowers no doubt.
            “Organizers” indeed. Not putting efforts into your lying this time ? oh well. They are paid to defend Israel’s border and to prevent Palestinians from crossing the border into Israel using the method which poses the least danger to them after making it absolutely clear to the Palestinians what will happen if they get close to the border.
            “and other demonstrators and journalists in cold blood” – Even Hamas themselves admitted the majority of those killed were their terrorists, others belonged to Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigade and Fatah, and they admitted they paid people to riot near the fence, they make for great propaganda videos.
            Amazing how the majority of protesters who didn’t riot near the border were not harmed. Also those who weren’t behind the smokescreen the Palestinians created to hide themselves from the Israelis, I’m sure it didn’t improve the situation for the Palestinians.

            Here’s a hint: Stay away from the border. You are putting your life in danger. Sending children to the border is child abuse, no matter how much Hamas pays and threaten them to do it.
            “ordinary Israeli soldiers and police are paid to crush demonstrations by any means necessary” – and another lie. You are confusing Israel with the PLO and Hamas.

            If that was true there would be very little demonstrators left.

            more to follow.

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    2. ido

      (part 1): “they are paid to slay” – nope, they are paid to be soldiers, like the Palestinian army, I mean police, are paid to be soldiers. I was a soldier for 4 years and I wasn’t ‘paid to slay’, I was paid to fix electronic devices.
      And I was certainly wasn’t paid monthly for my entire life for fixing lots of devices like Palestinian terrorists are paid extra for murdering lots of Jews, based on their prison sentences.
      Your comparison is literally beyond stupid. Your pathetic attempt to avoid addressing my post about the Palestinian ‘Pay for Slay’ fund and your idiotic ‘anti-semitizing’ nonsense is ridiculous.
      “Israeli military snipers are paid, not volunteers, and they slay protest organizers” – right, “protest organizers”, who also happen to shoot live ammo at soldiers, throw explosives and firebombs, throw smoke grenades and burn tires for smokescreens, Molotov Cocktails, attempt to cross the border to hand the soldiers flowers no doubt.
      “Organizers” indeed. Not putting efforts into your lying this time ? oh well. They are paid to defend Israel’s border and to prevent Palestinians from crossing the border into Israel using the method which poses the least danger to them after making it absolutely clear to the Palestinians what will happen if they get close to the border.
      “and other demonstrators and journalists in cold blood” – Even Hamas themselves admitted the majority of those killed were their terrorists, others belonged to Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigade and Fatah, and they admitted they paid people to riot near the fence, they make for great propaganda videos.
      Amazing how the majority of protesters who didn’t riot near the border were not harmed. Also those who weren’t behind the smokescreen the Palestinians created to hide themselves from the Israelis, I’m sure it didn’t improve the situation for the Palestinians.

      Here’s a hint: Stay away from the border. You are putting your life in danger. Sending children to the border is child abuse, no matter how much Hamas pays and threaten them to do it.
      “ordinary Israeli soldiers and police are paid to crush demonstrations by any means necessary” – and another lie. You are confusing Israel with the PLO and Hamas.

      more to follow.

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      • Ben

        All of this is a kind of JPost-Arutz Sheva-Isarel Hayom-IDF Digital Platform choice blend of disinformation and deflection. In your usual tedious and weaselish manner. I prefer the quality accounts of +972 Magazine and Haaretz, and independents like Bernard Avishai and David Shulman, and groups like Breaking the Silence, who all on the face of it are more truthful and authentic.

        I read the JPost and Haaretz side by side, on the same events and issues, for a year. Boy was that an eye opener. About Israeli propaganda and disinformation. An American Jew sitting in the US reading the JPost and NYT as his daily diet has absolutely no real idea of what goes on and what is going on. And a lot of them prefer it that way. They epitomize your favorite word: “clueless.” But increasingly, American Jews are coming around and getting actually educated and activated. As reported by +972 Magazine.

        So what’s a right wing Israeli to do when confronted with +972 Magazine (and the others I mention) and its on the ground reporting by Israelis and its obvious integrity and authenticity? Why, the only thing he can do is sputter and splutter and turn reality exactly 180 degrees around and call them “clueless liars.” Because he knows the jig is up and the pablum fed the average clueless American is no longer carrying the day. So it goes. This is the context I place you in.

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        • Ido

          (part 1): “disinformation and deflection” – nope, it’s pointing how your comparison is extremely idiotic. Showing how brainwashed you are that you can’t deal with what I said about the Palestinians’ incentive plan for Jew murder so instead you try to blame Israel for what you really, really want to believe is something identical.
          “In your usual tedious and weaselish manner” – you made a hilariously wrong comparison. It’s as if you’re saying the UN pays his Peacekeepers soldiers in Africa to sexually abuse the locals because some of them did.
          “I prefer the quality accounts of +972 Magazine and Haaretz” – which explains your denial of reality and your refusal to deal with facts not to your liking even when the evidence is shoved in your face repeatedly.
          “groups like Breaking the Silence” – I addressed them in detail and refuted your lies and misinformation about them in great detail. As I recall you simply ignored almost all of it.
          “more truthful and authentic” – that’s an interesting “rephrasing” to “matches my brainwashed delusional point of view which I’ll stick to even when evidence to the contrary is repeatedly presented to me”.
          “Boy was that an eye opener” – I also read ha’aretz when available, the actual paper, definitely an eye opener. my favorite is Gideon Levy. It’s a fascinated glimpse into the mind of a delusional ‘Useful idiot’. I also like to see him in interviews where his panel rival tears his delusional nonsense to shreds.
          “US reading the JPost and NYT as his daily diet has absolutely no real idea of what goes on” – I agree, they should listen to what the Palestinian leadership say and what they do to understand why resolving the conflict is not possible until the Palestinian leadership
          abandons their goal of Israel’s demise and their views that all of Israel, Sea to the River, is “Palestine”.

          more to follow.

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        • Ido

          (part 2): “your favorite word: “clueless.”” – every single time I called you ‘clueless’ I backed it up. Every single time. Please, by all means, address my posts. And hilariously lying about the evidence “being fake” is amusing but not what I mean.
          “As reported by +972 Magazine.” – oh I’m sure their reporting on this matter is honest and not biased in any way.
          “its on the ground reporting by Israelis” – you seem to be under the impression that there are no Israeli ‘useful Idiots’ or clueless morons who can’t see they are supporting their own country’s demise. Well then I have a surprise for you.
          “obvious integrity and authenticity” – I literally posted a few of Facebook comments section posts refuting the ‘integrity and authenticity’ of articles written here. When it was so blatantly lying propaganda nonsense.
          “call them “clueless liars.”” – Again: every single time I did this I backed it up. Feel free to address my posts.

          And of course you ignored my posts again. You ignored the fact that the electricity issue is caused by the Palestinians themselves and instead blamed the conflict between Fatah and Hamas on Israel, as if Israel invented their different ideologies and disagreements, including the Arab tribal mess which I believe you have no clue about,
          You blamed Israel for something the Bush administration did, lead by Fatah’s Dahlan as I proved to you, you were wrong about my discussion with Bruce as I explained, you were factually incorrect about the demolitions, you were wrong about Israel being “Apartheid”, even trying to squirm around it (“no, a *form* of Apartheid! yes, that’s it”..),
          You were wrong about Gaza being occupied, neglecting to understand that for that to be true there should be someone occupying something, even Hamas admit it but you know better than Hamas of course, you also ignored what I said about Hamas and how their are the polar opposite of democracy.

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          • Ben

            “It’s as if you’re saying the UN pays his Peacekeepers soldiers in Africa to sexually abuse the locals because some of them did.”

            Absolutely not. The slayings and maiming I call your attention to are part of the operational plan from the top down. They are not rogue actions. They are a feature not a bug. The much more accurate comparison to the rogue sexual abusers in UN peacekeeping forces is Elor Azaria. (And look at the relative slap on the wrist the IDF gave him and look at his massive support among the Israeli public.) The military snipers and regular army and police doing the slaying and maiming are NOT rogues, are not “bad apples.” They are part of the plan. You are using the stock “it’s just a few bad apples” subterfuge. +972 Magazine has a number of articles illluminating this “few bad apples” defense. You should read them.

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          • Ido

            “Absolutely not.” – that’s exactly what you’re saying. And you’re saying it in a pathetic attempt to avoid addressing what I said about the ‘Martyr’s fund’. you’re doing what I shall now call the ‘but..but.. Israel..” dodge.
            “The slayings and maiming I call your attention to are part of the operational plan from the top down” – as a former IDF soldier I can say without a doubt that you’re talking absolute nonsense. You’re confusing the army’s mission to defend Israel as I explained here in detail more than once.
            You’re saying this hilarious lie in a pathetic effort to avoid addressing the obvious about the ‘Pay for Jew Slay’ Palestinian Jew murder incentive plan.
            “They are not rogue actions” – if Palestinians tried to throw a firebomb at the border and he was shot by a sniper that’s definitely not ‘a rogue action’. That’s a soldier preventing an enemy entering his country. And blame the enemy for using smokescreen to obscure their terrorism attempts including firing live ammo at the soldiers for the unintentional victims.
            “Elor Azaria” – the guy put down a terrorist who tried to slaughter Jews, a terrorist who was already half dead. And he was put on trial for not acting according to the given orders, there was no need to shoot an already half dead neutralized terrorist. He was not acting according to the army given orders, contradicting your claims.
            “slap on the wrist the IDF gave him” – he disobeyed orders, confirmed a terrorist kill which was unnecessary out of anger. He should have shot the terrorist when he attacked, not when he was lying close to death on the floor. You probably think he should have brought the terrorist flowers.
            His punishment was a year and a half in military prison plus a year probation. I would add 6 more months but it was most definitely not ‘a slap on the wrist’ for what he did.

            “and look at his massive support among the Israeli public” – show me your data, how many of the Israeli public supported what he did ? I don’t. I think what he did was an embarrassment. And you’ll be surprised but there are quite a few in the Israeli public who are not that sad about seeing the people who want to slaughter their children shot dead.

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          • Ido

            “The military snipers and regular army and police doing the slaying and maiming are NOT rogues, are not bad apples.” – Again: defending Israel from an enemy is not remotely, not even close, to what the Palestinians are doing with the ‘Martyr Fund’. Your comparison is ridiculous.
            “You are using the stock it’s just a few bad apples” – about the snipers and such ? not at all. they are doing their job. Defending Israel’s borders. You should be mad about Hamas entouraging the riots and violence near the border by paying for it.
            “+972 Magazine has a number of articles illluminating this “few bad apples” defense. You should read them” – gladly, to show you how wrong you are about your comparison of the Israeli army to the Palestinians literally paying an incentive to slaughter Jews.
            You again refuse to even address what I said about the ‘Martyr Fund’, why is that ?

            And of course you ignored my posts again. You ignored the fact that the electricity issue is caused by the Palestinians themselves and instead blamed the conflict between Fatah and Hamas on Israel, as if Israel invented their different ideologies and disagreements, including the Arab tribal mess which I believe you have no clue about,
            You blamed Israel for something the Bush administration did, lead by Fatah’s Dahlan as I proved to you, you were wrong about my discussion with Bruce as I explained, you were factually incorrect about the demolitions, you were wrong about Israel being “Apartheid”, even trying to squirm around it (“no, a *form* of Apartheid! yes, that’s it”..),
            You were wrong about Gaza being occupied, neglecting to understand that for that to be true there should be someone occupying something, even Hamas admit it but you know better than Hamas of course, you also ignored what I said about Hamas and how their are the polar opposite of democracy.

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          • Ben

            I simply cannot take your categorical slander of Breaking the Silence seriously. You reveal your unseriousness on that one note alone.

            Ditto with picking on Gideon Levy as your stock Haaretz whipping boy. You are not serious.

            You come across as the oh so typical brainwashed “center@“to-right Israeli who knows what he knows and ain’t nobody gonna tell him different.

            “I backed it up.” Your funniest line.

            “their own country’s demise”

            No, the demise of the Geller/ Halevy/ Lewis/ Firentis *version* of their ideal “Israel.” Not Israel.

            “You blamed Israel for something the Bush administration did”

            Another ridiculously unserious statement. Yesterday we were not born.

            “You were wrong about Gaza being occupied”

            ‘Yeah Right’ was right. Re-examine his argument.

            “…not even close, to what the Palestinians are doing…Your comparison is ridiculous”

            This is your fondest illusion, your central illusion, around which everything turns. We might say that if you understood this you would understand everything. But you won’t.

            “trying to squirm around it (“no, a *form* of Apartheid! yes, that’s it”..)”

            Apparently, to Ido Geller, intelligent and quite basic nuances and distinctions, as opposed to black and white simplistic crudities, are “squirming.” Sorry, I cant help you with this shortcomings of yours. I can only point it out.

            Ok, gotta go. There is only so much time one can devote to you being you on the Internet.

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “I simply cannot take your categorical slander of Breaking the Silence seriously” – slander ? about the farce known as Breaking the Silence ? the lies of their founder ?
            https://en.mida.org.il/2017/11/28/farce-breaking-silence/

            “You reveal your unseriousness on that one note alone” – you mean besides refuting all your nonsense in detail ? posts you so far have repeatedly refused to address ? just like now ?
            “Ditto with picking on Gideon Levy as your stock Haaretz whipping boy” – he’s not “stock”, far from it. he’s something special. The guy is the perfect example of a delusional ‘Useful Idiot’. You still have something to aspire to, his denial of reality is phenomenal.
            ” You are not serious” – you’re a clueless delusional liar who has no idea what he’s talking about, as I proved in detail over and over again.
            “knows what he knows and ain’t nobody gonna tell him different” – that’s hilarious coming from a guy who puts so much effort into ignoring the facts and evidence I provide to the point of making up some of the most hilarious lies I have
            ever seen. Really. “the evidence is fake” , “Ok.. you are right about the Palestinian leadership but I’ll avoid it because they are not that important or influential”, “you ‘invert'”, “I’m using artistic license”, “I’m rephrasing”, what was the latest ?
            “I dispatched”. Comedy gold.

            more to follow.

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          • Ido

            and again this site is refusing to post my response for some reason. I’ll just post (part 2) in the Facebook comments section until they decide to function. Enjoy.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “I backed it up. Your funniest line.” – you mean the evidence I provided in the Facebook comments section which you ignored ? like what Apartheid means, how you were wrong blaming Israel for something the Bush Administration did ? everything I said I backed up, I did. Over multiple articles here.
            Which one of the posts you ignored would you like to discuss ? I’ll gladly re-post the evidence for you. Why are you lying about something this obvious ?
            “No, the demise of the Geller/ Halevy/ Lewis/ Firentis *version* of their ideal “Israel.”” – my ideal Israel is not an Arab state. I said this about 368 times. In your delusional idiotic “vision” that’s probably not a bad idea. Never going to happen.
            “Another ridiculously unserious statement” – I provided proof. You ignored it. Again.
            “‘Yeah Right’ was right. Re-examine his argument.” – who ? Then he was ‘Yeah Wrong’. And you again ignored the evidence I provided. Also about Hamas admitting it themselves. Please, by all means, address it.
            “This is your fondest illusion” – I explained your idiotic comparison in detail like to a child, also explained how this is an obvious way for you to pathetically avoid discussing the Palestinian ‘Pay for Jew slay’ fund, your “but..but..Israel..” dodge.
            “I cant help you with this shortcomings of yours” – I can’t help you if you’re too stupid to understand that Apartheid actually has meaning and Israel doesn’t fit the description, as I proved to you backed by evidence you of course ignored. Repeatedly.

            “Ok, gotta go” – And of course you ignored my posts again. You ignored the fact that the electricity issue is caused by the Palestinians themselves and instead blamed the conflict between Fatah and Hamas on Israel, as if Israel invented their different ideologies and disagreements, including the Arab tribal mess which I believe you have no clue about,
            You blamed Israel for something the Bush administration did, lead by Fatah’s Dahlan as I proved to you, you were wrong about my discussion with Bruce as I explained, you were factually incorrect about the demolitions, you were wrong about Israel being “Apartheid”, even trying to squirm around it (“no, a *form* of Apartheid! yes, that’s it”..),
            You were wrong about Gaza being occupied, neglecting to understand that for that to be true there should be someone occupying something, even Hamas admit it but you know better than Hamas of course, you also ignored what I said about Hamas and how their are the polar opposite of democracy.

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    3. Sandra Duffy

      Bad as SA was Israel is worse. At least the oppressed where permitted to build their bantustans in SA. They didnt destroy their villages and make people homeless and build settlements for foreigners in their place.

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      • Ido

        Right because Israel destroys Palestinian villages/towns/cities left and right, not very specific ones ordered by the Supreme Court after years of legal proceedings and compromise attempts. Saying something as ignorant as ‘Israel is worse than SA’ suggests that you have no idea what was going on in SA and how it’s not comparable.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/opinion/why-israel-is-nothing-like-apartheid-south-africa.html

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        • Ben

          The crime of Apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”

          Today, the term apartheid is sometimes used for similar systems in other countries. Similar systems. Not identical systems. It is true that one can quibble about how “race based” versus “ethnic-religious amalgam”-based the whole system is in Israel, or how overt and declared versus covert and undeclared and sneaky and chicanery-based it is, but the similarities, with respect to the form of apartheid taking place in the entity comprising Israel and the territories it occupies, and the South African form of apartheid, are remarkable. South Africans didn’t destroy all villages either. That was the whole point of bantustans. And the Boer regime, like the “Jewish state” regime, certainly had its laws and courts and legal “proceedings.” Proceedings indeed. One cannot invoke the Israeli court system as some kind of objective justice-meting entity. No way. Ever hear of High Court Justice Sohlberg, settler extraordinaire? Of course you have.

          Pogrund’s and your apologia for Israeli apartheid depends upon the kind of reasoning that says that because a zebra is not a horse then a zebra is not anything like a horse and is not an odd-toed ungulate mammal belonging to the taxonomic family Equidae. But it is. Or that a zebroid, the offspring of any cross between a zebra and any other equine, is not similar to a zebra.

          (You won’t get this or you will pretend you don’t. And we’ll disagree. That’s ok.)

          P.S.: About all that “good faith” . . .
          https://972mag.com/israel-high-court-khan-al-ahmar-good-faith-settlements/137680/

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          • Ido

            “the term apartheid is sometimes used for similar systems in other countries. Similar systems. Not identical systems” – but as the link I provided explains they are not similar. The context, history and situation is different. Jews are not allowed to live in Area A, there are roads not permitted to Jews in certain West Bank areas, Jews are not allowed to build houses in parts of the West Bank and Gaza so there’s Apartheid against Jews ? I understand of course why people cling to this terminology, it hold a lot of propaganda value.
            “about how “race based” versus “ethnic-religious amalgam” – nothing about legally agreed upon agreements ? security reasons ? how to the Palestinian leadership all of Israel is “the occupation” ? the separation barrier exists because it’s fun or because it dropped the terrorism coming from the West Bank to almost zero ? who cares about reason and context, right ?
            “South Africans didn’t destroy all villages either” – did the leadership of the blacks in SA declared that all SA is theirs and they employed terrorists to murder SA civilians ? did they use suicide bombers ? bombed SA cities ?
            “And the Boer regime, like the “Jewish state” regime” – right, Israel with their 20% Arab population with their political representation and freedom as anyone else.
            “Ever hear of High Court Justice Sohlberg” – I recall refuting your nonsense about him in detail and providing proof how his verdict was identical to the verdict of previous non-settler judges who are familiar with the same laws and I believe how the verdict was not his alone.
            “Israeli apartheid” – as my evidence show it’s not Apartheid. Maybe it’s a *form* of Apartheid if you ignore history, context, reason, and how the same thing also applies to Jews in parts of the West Bank.
            “because a zebra is not a horse then a zebra is not anything like a horse” – A zebra shares genealogy with humans so a Zebra is a form of human.
            “You won’t get this or you will pretend you don’t” – I do get it. I fully get why the term ‘Apartheid’ is used when Israel is concerned while ignoring history, agreements, context and reason. It evokes a certain vision and emotion.
            “P.S.: About all that “good faith” . . .” – P.S.: you’re changing the subject again. And the people there settled knowing fully well that area was going to be evacuated. And it was proven in curt they were lying about historically living there for decades.
            Discussed it with you and others in great length and why that particular place is important to the Palestinians and not the quite a few other similar Arab settlements who were resettled.

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          • Ben

            There is not enough time in the day to laboriously re-refute your tedious multiply-re-issued disinformation, but I can safely say that all of the above is like a constellation of dubious flotsam orbiting this central fatuous entity, which says it all:

            “…the same thing also applies to Jews in parts of the West Bank…”

            Just who do you think you’re fooling?

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          • Ido

            First, let me say that I’m shocked you didn’t address my post explaining to you in detail why you were wrong. shocked, I say.
            “Just who do you think you’re fooling?” – so you had no clue there are roads blocked to Jews ? areas where Jews are not allowed to build in or even enter in the West Bank ? reminds me of the time you had no clue there are demolitions of Jewish buildings and settlements in the West Bank. I’m still not sure if you were lying or just again show your overwhelming ignorance.

            But your definitions intrigue me. Tell me, the Palestinian law sentencing to death anyone who sells land property to a Jew, is it antisemitism ? racism ? a *form* of antisemitism ? a *form* of Apartheid ? a bit of all the above ?

            https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/PA-Death-penalty-for-those-who-sell-land-to-Jews

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          • Ben

            Why do you feel entitled to have someone answer your tedious disinformation accretions? I just gave you the answer why I don’t “answer” 95% of what you re-produce.

            “so you had no clue…”

            Ido’s famous patronizing, condescension, presumptuousness, and impertinence.

            Of course we know about some roads where Jews are officially cautioned not to go but no one punishes them if they do and such. And token demolitions compensated by land grants elsewhere, and with infinite tender solicitousness paid the settlers, with Jewish settlers doing things to soldiers that would be a death sentence if an Arab did the exact same thing. Do you know about flying road blocks, deliberate, arbitrary holdups for hours at chokepoints, routinely brutal, humiliating treatments, 3AM house invasions, arbitrary arrests and detentions without any due process, lethal measures against peaceful demonstrators, ruthless land theft and demolitions that absolutely dwarf anything done to Jews. You have learned absolutely nothing if you think that *anything* is “the same” for Jews versus Arabs in Israeli occupied territory. You are ridiculous. Again, just who do you think you are fooling?

            What do I call the Palestinian approach to selling West Bank land to Israeli settlers? I call it self-defense in wartime and a not unusual response to treason. Could you please tell me the last time an Israeli Jew sold Jewish Agency land west of the green line to a West Bank Palestinian and got away with it? Please do tell. You’re quite ridiculous. A bumptious foolish person.

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “Why do you feel entitled to have someone answer your tedious disinformation accretions?” – because clueless liars like you call the uncomfortable facts I present ‘disinformation’ and simply ignore how I show they are clueless in great detail.
            There’s nothing entitled about pointing out how you have no idea what you are talking about, see the examples above.
            “Ido’s famous patronizing” – I just proved again you had no clue about the West Bank, refuted your Apartheid nonsense in detail, and again showed how you are brainwashed to the point of not knowing some of the basic facts about the conflict, see the details in the posts above, details you of course ignored again and again because you have a very hard time coming to terms that you are a brainwashed clueless ‘Useful Idiot’.
            “Of course we know about some roads where Jews are officially cautioned not to go” – nope, roads blocked by military order, ‘lynch roads’ that if you continue driving them you’ll probably be lynched by a Palestinian mob. Would you like examples ? I’m guessing you have no clue about this as well.
            “but no one punishes them if they do and such” – and again you show how you have no idea what you are talking about. There are roads not permitted for Jews restricted by law, the ones heading to area A and in it.
            There are large signs indicating said roads, I bet you saw them when you were there like i did. If a Jew travels on the wrong road he will be arrested for breaking the law if he wasn’t lynched before he is found.
            “And token demolitions compensated by land grants” – token ? I provided examples of this, entire settlements, large and small. Would you like more ? and you mean compensation and grants like the ones offered to the Palestinians of Khan-Al-Ahmar ? are you even aware of what they were offered ?
            “Do you know about flying road blocks, deliberate, arbitrary holdups for hours at chokepoints” – yes, unlike you I was there. Part of the reason why I want Israel to leave the West Bank.

            more to follow.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “You have learned absolutely nothing if you think that *anything* is “the same” for Jews versus Arabs” – I didn’t say it’s the same, I simply pointed out how you are factually incorrect and I provided examples why that is. Very, very clearly so. Why are you ignoring it again ?
            “You are ridiculous” – you are a lying clueless brainwashed ‘Useful Idiot’ who don’t seem to be aware of what is actually going on and you seem to have a very hard time accepting reality even when the evidence is shoved in your face repeatedly.
            “who do you think you are fooling?” – pointing out how you are factually incorrect about basic things regarding the conflict is now “fooling” ? is this another of your “rephrasing” ? or “artistic license” ? or is the facts I mentioned above, which you ignored most of it, is “fake” ? your favorite excuses as I recall.
            “What do I call the Palestinian approach to selling West Bank land to Israeli settlers?” – nope, wrong again. This law applied in Israel proper as well (“Palestine”, from the river to the sea) and has nothing to do with settlers only. In fact the law predates the existence of the West Bank occupation. Again caught you being clueless. Why do you make this so easy ?
            Read a bit about the law and its origin, educate yourself. This is embarrassing.

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          • Ben

            …Entering area A is illegal for Israelis, and yet no one on the Israeli side is actively making sure we stay away. The first privilege I noticed is that I am a dual citizen with American-accented English. No Israeli soldier or officer talked to me or questioned me while entering through Qalandiya (a checkpoint leading to Area A), but I had my shiny passport and perfect English in case they did. This American privilege I have was much more useful in Ramallah itself, where people heard my English and assumed I am a foreigner. I didn’t need to remain quiet in order to hide my Israeli accent, nor did I need to overly fabricate my origins. When someone asked where I am from, I answered that I am from Philadelphia, conveniently leaving out the last eight years I have spent in Israel, my other home.

            Another privilege I noticed was simply that I am Israeli. Under Israeli law, it is illegal for most members of either side, Israeli or Palestinian, to visit the other, but the reality is that Israelis can easily enter area A, while Palestinians cannot simply cross a checkpoint into Israel proper. This difference cannot be ignored, because while both sides may have policies that prevent interaction and entering each other’s space, the scale is off-balance. During those 24 hours, I put myself into the space of the other, which Palestinians cannot do as easily (if it all), and that set the background for most of my trip. We tend to talk about peace and about conflict as though it is two equal parts of a scale, but often that scale is tipped to favor one side more than the other…

            https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/twenty-four-hours-in-ramallah_us_57baad43e4b07d22cc38f6ac

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          • Ido

            “Entering area A is illegal for Israelis” – Jews, not Israelis. Israeli Arabs can enter without a problem. Thank you for validating my claim.
            “no one on the Israeli side is actively making sure we stay away” – that’s an absurd lie, there are roadblocks from the Israeli areas, near the huge signs saying ‘do not enter’. They probably ignored her because she is an American citizen with US ID.
            “No Israeli soldier or officer talked to me or questioned me while entering through Qalandiya” – as I was saying. Do you understand how you are wrong again ? If I try to do this I will be arrested. Do you understand ? I’m not a US citizen with a US visa.
            “I had my shiny passport” – what do you know, I was right.
            “someone asked where I am from, I answered that I am from Philadelphia” – do you know what would have happened if she answered in an Israeli accent “Netanya” or other Israeli city ? I’ll give you an example:
            https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/535301

            Let me know if you like more proof for lynch attempts on Jews.
            “Israelis can easily enter area A” – yes Arab Israelis can, a dual citizen pretending to be an American, sure.
            “Palestinians cannot simply cross a checkpoint into Israel proper.” – neither does a Jew into a restricted area or a ‘no Jews allowed’ road. An Arab Israeli can. An American sure can, they actually are very welcome as most are “peace activists”. ‘Useful Idiots’ are always welcome, Jews as well of course.

            “a guy tried to sell me apples from the Kibbutz I once lived on. BDS stickers and messages of support for the movement were plastered all over..” – another great victory for BDS. Hilarious.

            Do you even understand how again you proved you have no idea what you’re talking about ? how you don’t seem to understand the basics of what’s going on by providing this article as a counter-point ? but I like how you elegantly ignored the previous post where I proved how you were clueless again, this time about the Palestinian law regarding selling property to a Jew. Very elegantly, didn’t even notice.

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          • Ben

            Now that is a strikingly dishonest answer even for you)m. Why can’t you just admit you were wrong? (And that your typical patronizing attitude was comically wrong?) The sky won’t fall. You are caught out telling untruths about Area A and can’t admit it. Plain and simple. No ambiguity here.

            Becca Strober is Jewish, not Arab. And Israeli. And writes the truth about how it is for Israelis and Jewish Israelis. It is most sneaky of you to try to weasel out of this with the fudging about Arab Israelis and about Americans—with anti-Semitizing woven right in. Of course! Strober makes very clear her American accent (or passport) was not instrumental in her crossing the border but only her reception once inside Area A. It was her being Israeli that mattered at the border.

            You know you can’t just weasel out of everything by calling another person names aggressively and thinking that bluster obscures your foolishness. Or yelling “that’s a lie!” This is highly unconvincing to say the least.

            “Another privilege I noticed was simply that I am Israeli. Under Israeli law, it is illegal for most members of either side, Israeli or Palestinian, to visit the other, but the reality is that Israelis can easily enter area A, while Palestinians cannot simply cross a checkpoint into Israel proper.”

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “Now that is a strikingly dishonest answer” – how is pointing out you were wrong “strikingly dishonest” ? how does explaining in detail how your example did not refute what I said ?
            “Why can’t you just admit you were wrong?” – I wasn’t wrong and you know it. The only thing your link did is prove how you have no idea what you were talking about, as I explained in detail, as you are now ignoring again.
            “that your typical patronizing attitude was comically wrong” – how does pointing out in detail where your example failed to refute my claim about forbidden roads and areas to Jews ? you can’t be this stupid, I literally spelled it out for you.
            “You are caught out telling untruths about Area A” – nope, you again are in a situation where you had no clue what you were talking about, comparing someone with an American passport that can enter said roads or areas and I, as an Israeli Jew, can’t unless I cheat somehow and and put my life in danger, as I proved to you in the link you ignored.
            “Plain and simple. No ambiguity here”- why are you lying about this when the explanation to why you were wrong is 2 posts above ? why do you think lying to yourself like this has any positive effect besides looking more ridiculous than you already are after I refuting your other nonsense a few posts above it ?
            “Becca Strober is Jewish, not Arab” – Are you really this dumb ? Again: she entered using her US passport, she lied she was from Philadelphia when she arrived to not be harmed, your own link explains this, very clearly. Why are you in denial about the basic facts ?
            “weasel out of this with the fudging about Arab Israelis and about Americans” – You are really this stupid ? Again: she entered through the roadblock and into a restricted area to Jews using her America passport, do you understand ? she lied who she was so she won’t be harmed, do you understand ?
            “anti-Semitizing” – how does explaining in detail where you are so obviously clueless is “”anti-Semitizing” ? please do explain.

            more to follow.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “not instrumental in her crossing the border but only her reception once inside Area A” – seriously ? of course it was. She was questioned in the checkpoint before entering the restricted area, that was my whole point. The roadblock preventing Jews from entering a restricted area, which is forbidden in effect by law to Jews (not Israelis as I explained), checked who she was and they didn’t bother with her because she used her US passport. Are you really this dense ?
            “it was her being Israeli that mattered at the border” – if I, an Israeli Jew, tried to enter the same roadblock into a restricted area like this I would be arrested, she used her US passport as a dual citizen of the US to enter. Yes, she is also an Israeli but she entered using her US passport and lied who she was once she was there, how is this so difficult for you to grasp ? is this written in sanskrit ?
            “you can’t just weasel out of everything” – I just explained this again in detail like to a mentally challenged child. How can you not understand this ? how can you not grasp this when your own evidence says this very clearly, when the link I provided showing what happens when Jews are caught inside said restricted areas by a Palestinian mob ?
            The fact that she chose to lie about who she was when she was there to protect herself and how she used a US passport to enter is in your blind spot ?
            ““that’s a lie!” – nope, in this case it’s just you showing again how you have no idea what you’re talking about. Very clearly so. Just like I proved you were clueless about the Palestinian law sentencing to death anyone selling land property to a Jew, which you of course again elegantly ignored.
            “reality is that Israelis can easily enter area A” – sure, if they are Arab or using a foreign nationality. However it is prohibited by law for Jews to enter those roads and regions, if I’ll do it using my Israeli ID I’ll be arrested. I can sneak in probably if I find a hole in the fence or something similar but I’ll be putting my life in danger, how is this so difficult for you to grasp ?
            “while Palestinians cannot simply cross a checkpoint into Israel proper” – they sure can if they have an Israeli ID.

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          • Ben

            Becca Strober says: “No Israeli soldier or officer talked to me or questioned me while entering through Qalandiya (a checkpoint leading to Area A)”

            But Ido says….”She was questioned in the checkpoint before entering the restricted area”

            Hmmmmmmm. Ido Geller really truly must think we can’t read!

            Any number of Israelis who know better say that it is an open secret that israeli Jews can cross into Area A without much ado, and the authorities look the other way. Amira Hass, among others, has made this clear about Israelis and Area A a number of times.

            That’s why I’m surprised you thought you could pull the wool over our eyes on this with your “I guess you didn’t know” bullshit. You can’t get away with this. We are not starry eyed American Jerusalem Post/Catherine Glick readers. You should just admit you tried to fool us and got caught out. The sky won’t fall, Ido Geller.

            I think that your extra thickly laid on verbosity and smoke here is your tacit admission that you know you are caught out. This whole episode though is not anomalous. It’s is quite the standard, only this time you were a tad more obvious about it and you got nailed. But it is not a one off incident. It is representative.

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “No Israeli soldier or officer talked to me or questioned me” – as someone who passed through similar checkpoints, as she herself admits, entering area A is illegal for Israelis by law (which of course means Jews). She mentions her perfect English and her American passport because she knows with them she can pass the checkpoint with no problem. The soldiers at the checkpoint would not let her enter unless they talked to whoever was leading her group or she looked like the thousands other foreign “activists” who enter area A daily.
            Again: if I tried to enter the checkpoint I will be detained. If I or any other Israeli Jew with no US passport and with no perfect English entered area A I will be arrested and escorted back to the Israeli side, if a Palestinian lynch mob didn’t slaughter me first. I’m assuming you have never been to the Qalandiya checkpoint, the largest crossing into Israel. Thousands of people pass through it daily. No way in hell was she not checked when she entered, her driver was most certainly verified by the soldiers otherwise they would have not opened the gate. If you think she entered alone you’re nuts.
            You’re right, she wasn’t checked herself, but no way in hell was she allowed to pass without some kind of verification and she mentions her US passport and her perfect English because she knows those will allow her to enter despite the law preventing Jews from doing so.
            “Amira Hass, among others, has made this clear about Israelis” – maybe Israeli Arabs or Christians or “peace activists” invited by the Palestinians, Jews will be escorted out by armed soldiers or the Palestinian police, hopefully before a lynch mob attacks them.
            “That’s why I’m surprised you thought you could pull the wool over our eyes” – you simply have no clue what is going on there, you bring an example of a someone who passes as a foreigner by her own admission to enter and stay out of danger’s way, and if I tried to pull anything similar I will be escorted back and arrested.
            “your I guess you didn’t know bullshit” – you obviously have no clue what is going on there, you obviously never been to a similar checkpoint of this size and importance. Just like you didn’t have a clue about the Palestinian law sentencing to death anyone who sells land property to a Jew, which you so far have repeatedly ignored once I explained your ignorance.

            I like how “mein kampf” is still sold on the streets there. Since the Palestinian leadership adopted Nazi-style propaganda against Jews it sure makes sense.

            more to follow.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “we are not starry eyed American” – nope, you are a ‘Useful Idiot’ brainwashed by Pro-Palestinian propaganda and Israeli leftist fairy-tales and you have no idea what is going on as I proved so many times by now that it’s ridiculous.
            “You should just admit you tried to fool us and got caught out. The sky won’t fall” – that’s so hilarious coming from someone who I proved so many times is a clueless liar who has no idea what he’s talking about, with detailed proof for it just like I did now here in the posts above which you of course ignored.
            Why not just admit it ? for example your ignorance about selling land property to Jews and where that law came from, you obviously had no clue, come on. The sky won’t fall.
            “you know you are caught out” – that’s so adorable coming from someone who I exposed as a clueless brainwashed liar who is in denial even when the evidence I provide to contradict him is literally the people he’s defending yelling the truth in his face.
            Someone who came up with some of the most idiotic lies I have ever seen to avoid addressing the evidence contradicting his nonsense. Some of my favorites: “your evidence is fake”, “the Palestinian leaders, literally the policy makers and the ones controlling the Palestinians, are not that important or influential”, “you ‘invert'”, or just simply ignored it like you did here.
            “you got nailed” – you have absolutely no idea what is going on, do you.
            “But it is not a one off incident” – do you want me to post the dozen and more links where I prove in great detail how you’re clueless delusional liar who has no idea what he’s talking about ? who repeatedly ignore evidence contradicting his nonsense ?
            I assure you those are definitely not a one off incident.

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          • Ido

            And as usual this site is not posting my response or posts it out of order. Posted it in the Facebook comments section.

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          • Ben

            I guess you truly didn’t know the truth about Area A and Israeli Jews.
            What I suspect about you generally is that since your army days—when you were a support troop, an electronic equipment fixer for front line occupation troops as I think you told us and so hardly directly saw or participated in what really goes on anyway and yet you, with infinite chutzpah, feel free to tell Yehuda Shaul he doesn’t know what he is talking about and is lying?—that since your army days you haven’t been to the occupied territories at all, and so you don’t really know anything about how and in what ways Israelis cross into Area A. (In your vernacular, I guess you didn’t know, you were clueless?) You only regurgitate official party lines on this? So in that sense you are typical of the mass of Israelis who really don’t know and don’t want to know too much about what really goes on in the territories, and just want to know what “everybody knows.”

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          • Ido

            “I guess you truly didn’t know the truth about Area A and Israeli Jews.” – Right. Didn’t notice when I was stationed there during my military and reserve duty. or when I traveled through the West Bank and was stopped at the checkpoints.
            You really had no clue about this, did you ? how some areas are not allowed to Jews, also roads re closed to Jews mainly for security reason.
            “participated in what really goes on anyway” – I wasn’t a ‘support troop’ and even those do a couple of months each year as guard duty out of their usual role. I’m guessing you didn’t know this as well.
            “and yet you, with infinite chutzpah, feel free to tell Yehuda Shaul” – I proved to you how he lied on camera, backed by evidence. I refuted your nonsense in detail. Are you in denial about that as well ?
            https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4819952,00.html

            “you haven’t been to the occupied territories at all” – of course I have. Both to travel and visit friends. I’m pretty sure you haven’t.
            “how and in what ways Israelis cross into Area A” – as someone who actually did guard duty there and passed through those checkpoints, this really amuses me.
            “only regurgitate official party lines on this” – nope, I know what is actually going on there and as I proved to you (in the link you ignored) Jews are literally risking their lives when they enter area A. And your own source confirmed there is a law prohibiting Jews from crossing into Area A by an army directive no less.
            “don’t know and don’t want to know too much about what really goes on” – that’s hilarious coming from someone who as I proved repeatedly have no idea what he’s talking about and believes some of the most ridiculous anti-Israel propaganda available.
            “everybody knows.” – everybody knows about the Palestinian law sentencing to death anyone who sells land property to a Jew and its history, You hilariously made it clear how you had no clue. And you have been ignoring this for how many times now ? very elegantly so I must say. Almost didn’t notice.

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          • Ben

            Oh I’ve certainly been to the occupied territories. Lovely, you “travel” and “visit friends,” the overlord surveying the land, relaxing with the settlers (whose occupation you say you oppose).

            If you are as knowledegable as you say you are about Area A then I think you are not being honest about what you really know. In your ridiculous relentlessly anti-Semitizing formulations you keep saying it is “Jews” not Israeli’s who can’t cross into Area A safely but out of the other side of your mouth keep reminding me that “activists” and “leftists” go there safely and meanwhile plenty of these activists are Jewish. But they can’t go there anyway cuz it’s against the law and Irael always enforces the law. Entertaining in its multiplicative contradictoriness. Nichts Neues.

            It’s even worse. The IDF not only winks and nods at settlers entering Area A, it sets up guard posts to assist them!
            How about that little Area A occupation gem? I guess you didn’t know. ==>
            http://peacenow.org.il/en/idf-guard-post-placed-area-protect-settlers-driving-illegally-palestinian-area

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “the overlord surveying the land” – can you say this with more hyperbolic idiocy ? guess not. Yes, I’m the overlord of Ramallah, Jenin, Beit Sahour, Beitunia, al-Bireh, ad-Dhahiriya, Dura, Qalqilya, etc.
            If you’ve been to the West Bank then you saw the large signs warning not to enter the restricted areas and you saw the roads blocked to passage of Jews.
            “relaxing with the settlers” – Right, visiting the West Bank means I don’t oppose West Bank settlements or support the two states solution. You really are reaching, aren’t you.
            “you are not being honest about what you really know” – you really have no clue about this stuff, do you. Google a bit about lynch mobs of Palestinians who get their hands on Jews who enter a no-Jew allowed restricted area by mistake, great time. I wonder why there is a specific military enforced law preventing Jews entering a restricted area.
            “anti-Semitizing” – And again with this nonsense. How does saying a fact ‘anti-Semitizing’ ? do explain.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “saying it is “Jews” not Israeli’s” – I explained this about 30 times or so I believe. Again: Arabs, Christians, Maronites, can also be Israelis. They can enter relatively freely because there is no risk to their lives when they do. In fact many go to visit their family members in area A or do their shopping, fix their cars, etc.
            Jews doing so are risking their lives. Do you understand ? are you that clueless about the lynch attempts of Jews who enter towns/cities in area A by mistake ? there was never a lynch attempt on Arab Israelis, guess why. I’ll give you a hint: they are not Jews.
            “me that “activists” and “leftists” go there safely” – are you that out of touch with reality ? those are an asset to the Palestinians. However sometimes they are mistaken for just simple Jews and a lynch mob tries to burn them alive:
            https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-activists-evacuated-from-ramallah-after-car-is-set-on-fire/

            “it sets up guard posts to assist them” – Right, because putting an armed guards post to protect the lives of people driving from Jerusalem to South Hebron Hills on a road agreed by the Palestinian Authority to passage of Jews as part of the Wye River Memorandum, is exactly like allowing Jews to freely enter Ramallah or Jenin.

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          • Ben

            Aaaaand Ido’s argument breaks down right about…here:

            ‘…“me that “activists” and “leftists” go there safely” – are you that out of touch with reality ? those are an asset to the Palestinians. However sometimes they are mistaken for just simple Jews…’

            So, if Jews are perceived as furthering justice and fairness they are welcomed and treated with kindness and the Palestinians miraculously(!) suppress, according to Ido, their bio-cultural ingrained lust for “Jew blood” (using Ido’s term, not mine, to be clear)—it’s a miracle!—but if they…are you ready for this?…are just ”SIMPLE JEWS”—yes those simple settler Jews, so simple!—poor “SIMPLE JEWS”—then they are set upon because they are just good ol’ “SIMPLE JEWS” and not having anything to do with the injustice they, these “simple Jews” are relentlessly perpetrating with great malevolence. You get that? Leftists and activist are, I guess, COMPLICATED JEWS while setters are just good ol’ SIMPLE JEWS. I can picture a smug Roman Ido in ancient times shrilly lecturing the Sicarii that they should curb their biocultural ingrained lust for “Roman blood” and cynically telling them to “stop using the justice- and fairness-pursuing Romans as ‘assets’—so unfair.” Ido Propagandicus Gellericus.

            Setters from Negohot travelling on 3265? And an IDF post on 3265 to guard them? These are covered by the Wye Memorandum? Out of what crevice did you pull that flimflammery? This is the thing about the occupation. Israelis never go about it honestly and above board. It is always organized crime. We see this over and over and over again. The other thing shown (over and over and over again) is that Ido thinks we…can’t read!

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “So, if Jews are perceived as furthering justice and fairness they are welcomed” – um, I thought I was clear about this. You are either again playing dumb or really didn’t get it.
            So you didn’t grasp the difference between Jews who are either blocked from entering a restricted zone or entering it by mistake from a missing fence section and risk their lives to “peace activists” who are invited by the Palestinians and are adored by the Palestinians who will not allow anything happen to them ? ‘Useful Idiots’ or otherwise are a fantastic asset to the Palestinian leadership. Is this too complicated for you to understand ? why are you again ignoring the evidence I’m providing ? showing you the mistake some Palestinians did ? confusing the ‘peace activists’, invited by the Palestinian for an Iftar meal, to some Jews who got their by mistake ? was it this difficult for you to understand ?

            “miraculously(!) suppress, according to Ido, their bio-cultural ingrained lust for “Jew blood”” – Again, 462th time: killings attempts and lynch mobs on Jews who entered Palestinian controlled areas are well documented. I linked a couple right here and asked you if you required more evidence.
            You of course ignored it because reality is very uncomfortable to you and it obviously contradicts your delusional biased clueless worldview.
            “just ”SIMPLE JEWS”” – Again: do you understand the difference between Jews who are peace activists, guests of the Palestinians invited for a dinner to Jews who entered a restricted area by mistake and placed their lives at risk ? is this rocket science ?
            “anything to do with the injustice they, these “simple Jews”” – not what I said, liar. So you are really this stupid ? I only explained this 3 times or so so I understand why it’s still hard for you to grasp.
            “Leftists and activist are, I guess, COMPLICATED JEWS” – yes, continue to lie and twist what I said, great future reference as always.
            “setters are just good ol’ SIMPLE JEWS” – and another lie. Or is this another of your “rephrasing” ? never said anything of the sort.

            more to follow.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “I can picture a smug Roman Ido” – your ridiculous nonsense is only exceeded by your inability to grasp simple concepts. And your excessive lying.
            “Out of what crevice did you pull that flimflammery?” – posted it in the Facebook comments section. Use Google Translate. The section is the one on the access road under the Palestinians’ control.
            “These are covered by the Wye Memorandum?” – no, the Palestinians agreement to use it is. The IDF post was a necessity to prevent Palestinians from slaughtering Jews.
            “It is always organized crime” – sure, what’s going on in the conflict has nothing to do with the Palestinians, it’s all Israel. Refusing to accept Israel’s legitimacy ? calling for Israel’s destruction and funding the murder of Jews ? rejectong peace negotiations ? Israel’s organized crime.
            “Ido thinks we can’t read!” – nope, as shown here and all over this site I know you’re a clueless brainwashed lying ‘Useful idiot’ with a hard time dealing with reality.

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          • Ben

            Ido is flailing mightily and using verbosity and clouds of ad hominem as a smokescreen but he either hasn’t understood a thing or pretends he doesn’t and knows he is up a creek without a paddle. So let’s draw the argument in really big simple lines so Ido can’t miss again what he appears to miss:

            Ido, I thought you said that Israeli Jews can’t enter Area A without getting arrested (and certainly the settlers of illegal Negohot qualify as those not permitted according to the party line you are pettifogging us about) but here we have the IDF brazenly escorting them, setting up guard posts to enable them to enter Area A! In violation of the Oslo Accords and in violation of every piece of propaganda you go on about. You can NOT make this stuff up! In your parlance, this is truly “hilarious.”

            Ido, I thought you said that Jews, as generic Jews, you emphasize (simple Jews!) are unsafe in Area A– in other words, that knuckle-dragging “Jew-hatred” is the root of it all, and yet nice Jewish activists and leftists go there all the time and are not “lynched” and in need of being “saved by the IDF.” So, is it Jewishness, or something else about those settlers that is the causal factor here? Ya think? Ya think your inveterate anti-Semitizing needs to undergo some revisionism here? Ya think?
            Why do you make this so easy?

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          • Ido

            (part 1): That’s a nice “rephrasing” to me refuting your nonsense again.
            “hasn’t understood a thing” – I literally spelled this out to you, multiple times, explaining like to a child what I meant and how you didn’t grasp it and how you make ridiculous baseless claims and this is your pathetic response ? how pathetic.
            “I thought you said that Israeli Jews can’t enter Area A without getting arrested” – nope. I said Jews are prohibited by law but sometimes they can enter like the several examples I provided, like the ones with invites and permits, those with dual citizenships. Are you again playing dumb ? you’re very good at it.
            I said about 5 times that if I try to cross a guarded checkpoint I would be arrested as I am not any of the above. How hard is this to grasp this ? seriously, you can’t be this stupid.
            “party line you are pettifogging us about” – you mean the evidence about Negohot you ignored ? do you want me to post it again ? in a larger font perhaps ?
            “but here we have the IDF brazenly escorting them” – yes, brazenly protecting them from Arabs who want to murder their children on the way to school. Terrible, I know.
            “setting up guard posts to enable them to enter Area A” – a specific road, as I explained to you, as I proved to you, as you ignored again.

            more to follow.

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          • Ben

            The settler children go to school in Area A?! Wow, I didn’t know that! Gee whiz.

            On the subject of going to school in the occupied territories….

            Instead of Escorting Palestinian Kids Home From School, Israeli Soldiers Throw Stones
            Using a slingshot here, luring two Israeli women to a forbidden road there – this is the Israeli army in its element.
            Amira Hass
            Nov 03, 2016
            https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-instead-of-protecting-palestinian-kids-idf-soldiers-throw-stones-1.5455006

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          • Ido

            “The settler children go to school in Area A” – passing through area A, on a road in area A, I only said this about 4 times and you are wondering why I claim that you’re ‘reality challenged’ ? Jesus Christ..
            “Instead of Escorting Palestinian Kids Home From School” – never mind that you again go for the “but..but..Israel” dodge, as I have told you about I believe 7,654 times, I can’t read Ha’aretz links behind a paywall. And you keep posting them for some reason for me to ignore. But please, post a different source, I’m intrigued, how many were in that squad and what regiment ? who was their commanding officer ?

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “In violation of the Oslo Accords” – you do realize the Wye Memorandum came after Oslo right ? more specifically after the Oslo II Accord. I don’t need more proof you have no idea what you’re talking about but thanks anyway.
            “emphasize (simple Jews!)” – seriously ? are you this stupid ? I spelled this out for you. Several times. Again: do you understand the difference between Jews who are peace activists, guests of the Palestinians invited for a dinner to Jews who entered a restricted area by mistake and placed their lives at risk ?
            “Jew-hatred” – don’t be ridiculous, I’m not talking about every Arab in the West Bank. However the risk is very real, the lynch attempts are well documented, I provided 2 examples. Why are you having such a hard time grasping this ?
            “nice Jewish activists and leftists go there all the time and are not “lynched”” – I literally explained this exact point 3 times now. And actually provided an example where activists were almost burned alive.
            “So, is it Jewishness” – really ? Again: do you understand the difference between Jews who are guests of the Palestinians, invited for a dinner to Jews who entered a restricted area by mistake and placed their lives at risk ?
            how is this so difficult to grasp ? one group is invited and are guests of the Palestinians. Other group entered by mistake and they put their lives at risk, as I explained, as I proved to you. Sometimes the two groups are confused, again as I proved to you.
            “anti-Semitizing” = and again with this ridiculous nonsense. How is any of the facts I’m stating “anti-Semitizing” ? are you really this clueless about the risk Jews are putting themselves in when they enter places like Ramallah by mistake ?
            “Why do you make this so easy?” – why are you a clueless liar who doesn’t seem to grasp simple concepts even after I repeat them 15 times and back them up with evidence ?

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          • Ben

            So this is where we get back to how it is impossible to have an honest conversation with you. You are endlessly slippery. Conducting an argument with you is like climbing a grease pole. No matter how plainly things are spelled out you wriggle away every time. You are brazenly wriggling away from this:

            So, is it Jewishness, or something else about those settlers that is the causal factor here?

            I have logically proven that it is not the simple causal factor you claim it is, and yet you just won’t admit it. You pretend that I am “clueless about the risk Jews are putting themselves in when they enter places like Ramallah by mistake” but of course I am not and never have been. But you sneak in the word “Jews” in this sentence when the operative word is really “Israelis who are perceived as settlers or otherwise pro-occupation.” Not simply “Jews.” You know this very well, Ido, and it is very dishonest of you not to admit it.

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “You are endlessly slippery” – and here we are again with you ignoring my posts, ignoring my evidence, ignoring when I refute your nonsense, you refusing to grasp simple concepts even after I repeat them 5 or more times.
            “honest conversation” – and I bet you don’t realize how hysterical this is coming from you, after the posts above.
            “you wriggle away every time” – hilarious coming from someone who repeatedly ignores my posts, the evidence I provide and make up stuff about what I actually say as evidence so many times in the posts above.
            “So, is it Jewishness, or something else about those settlers that is the causal factor here” – I explained this literally about 7 times now. It’s amazing to me how you fail to understand this.
            I’ll just repeat it, again: do you understand the difference between Jews who are guests of the Palestinians, invited for a dinner and are protected by their hosts to Jews who entered a restricted area by mistake and placed their lives at risk ?
            how is this so difficult to grasp ? one group is invited and are guests of the Palestinians. Other group entered by mistake and they put their lives at risk, as I explained, as I proved to you. Sometimes the two groups are confused, again as I proved to you.
            How is this so difficult to understand ? I refuse to believe someone can be this stupid.

            more to follow.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “but of course I am not and never have been” – no, you just ignored it and pretended there isn’t and still refuse to address it, repeatedly. You claim Jews entered area A easily but now you acknowledge the huge risk involved. So obviously they want to do so all the time, right ? who doesn’t want to get lynched by a mob ?
            ““Israelis who are perceived as settlers” – nope. Again, 456th time: not Israelis. Jews. Arab, Christians, Maronites, etc are also Israelis. They are not in danger. If I go there, without a US passport, with my looks and hebrew accent, there is a big chance I’ll be in danger for my life. Do you understand ? how is this still so difficult for you to grasp ? amazing. Jews who arrive with Palestinian permits as guests are in very little danger as they are protected by whoever is hosting them. Sometimes, As I proved to you, the Palestinians get confused a bit and try to burn them alive. Happens but not usually.
            “it is very dishonest of you not to admit it” – how can you say this nonsense when I explained this like to a child about 7 times now, backed by evidnece ? how can you be this dense ?

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          • Ben

            You know it really is a marvel, I really have to wonder at the crazy spectacle of Ido Geller yet again spitting out his stock rant (“refusing to grasp simple concepts…How is this so difficult to understand? I refuse to believe someone can be this stupid”) when very plainly he cannot grasp a stupefyingly simple concept, and regurgitates this masterpiece of illogic and not getting the point:

            “So, is it Jewishness, or something else about those settlers that is the causal factor here?” …do you understand the difference between Jews who are guests of the Palestinians, invited for a dinner and are protected by their hosts to Jews who entered a restricted area by mistake and placed their lives at risk ? how is this so difficult to grasp ? one group is invited and are guests of the Palestinians. Other group entered by mistake and they put their lives at risk, as I explained, as I proved to you.” ”

            Now, Ido. Follow the bouncing ball: One group is Jewish and is treated well. The other group is Jewish, and is treated poorly. Both groups are Jewish! They get treated very differently. But Ido’s conclusion is that it is their Jewishness that is the causal factor. Ido simply cannot see that it is something about the two groups different behavior and intentions, irrespective of being Jewish (both are Jewish!) that is the causal factor. Son, you must have taken a few science courses? A few courses in elementary logic?

            And always you tell us you have explained this 7 times now, five times now, 5467 times now, etc. without the light bulb ever going on that maybe you have to keep “explaining” because your “explanations” are rejected each time because they are bogus. It’s that old image of Ido pushing on the Exit door seven times and not realizing it says “Pull.”

            This is as signal a moment as ever.

            P.S.: The guard post is a clear violation of the Oslo Accords. One of many. Really you typify Israeli brazenness and inability to be embarrassed. So clueless about how you come across!

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “crazy spectacle of Ido Geller yet again spitting” – that’s an amusing switch around attempt when all the posts above show in detail how you’re a clueless liar who has a very hard time dealing with reality and have a really hard time grasping simple concepts.
            “refusing to grasp simple concepts” – Again: every time I say this I follow it with a very clear explanation why that is. Every time. You, of course, ignore this part.
            “How is this so difficult to understand?” – Again: same as above, every time I back this up. I even repeat it multiple times like to a child.
            “I refuse to believe someone can be this stupid” – Again: every single time I back it up. Please, by all means, address my posts. Why are you ignoring them ?
            “he cannot grasp a stupefyingly simple concept” – I repeated the facts you failed to grasp about 9 or so times. I posted evidence you so far ignored repeatedly. All posted above in great detail.
            “Both groups are Jewish!” – Jesus Christ, how is this still so hard for you to grasp ? I can’t believe it, it’s like talking to a brick wall. Yes both are Jewish but one are guests invited by the Palestinians, under their protection, they will make sure nothing will happen to them (usually, as I proved to you), do you understand ? is this difficult to grasp for some reason ? another group is Jews who entered the restricted areas by themselves by mistake, they put their lives in danger, there are multiple incidents when a lynch mob tried to murder them, do you understand ? how on earth is this still so difficult for you to understand ? amazing. Is this some kind of mental block ? like your hilarious denial of reality even when the evidence is pushed in your face repeatedly ?

            more to follow.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): Again: the entrance to specific areas in the West Bank is forbidden to Jews by law. If they enter it, they are putting their lives in danger as evident by the evidence I provided which you of course ignored. However, and this is the important part so try to pay attention: Jews can enter those areas when they are under the protection of the Palestinians, usually this means ‘peace activists’. In other cases dual citizens can enter using a foreign ID and, as you yourself proved, they hide who they are for their own protection. How on earth is this so difficult to understand ?
            “irrespective of being Jewish” – so it’s a strange coincidence that only Jews experience lynch mobs and not Arab Israelis, Arab Christians, and anyone else not being a Jew ? makes sense.
            “you must have taken a few science courses?” – your cluelessness and lack of basic understanding of things is only surpassed by your sense of humor. Which doesn’t seem to be intentional.
            “without the light bulb ever going on” – that’s hysterical coming from someone who as I proved again has a very hard time grasping simple concepts.
            “your “explanations” are rejected” – that’s an interesting “rephrasing” of you failing to grasp simple concepts. As usual you reject reality and substitute it with your own. With the usual hilarious results.
            “The guard post is a clear violation of the Oslo Accords” – and allowing Palestinians to slaughter children on their way to school is in one of the paragraphs I missed ?
            “One of many” – oh you want to change the subject and switch to Oslo violations ? please, go right ahead. I’m guessing you have no clue about the Palestinians in this regard as well.
            “So clueless about how you come across” – as always, I enjoy it more when you finish with a wacky joke. You really out did yourself this time. bravo.

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          • Ben

            Let’s dumb it down even further:

            Ben: “So, is it Jewishness, or something else about those settlers that is the causal factor here in whether Israeli entrants into Area A are safe or not?”

            Ido: “…do you understand the difference between Jews…and Jews….one group is invited and are guests of the Palestinians. Other group entered by mistake.”*

            Ben: “Yes, Ido, of course I do, but you are missing the point.”

            Ido: ““irrespective of being Jewish” – so it’s a strange coincidence that only Jews experience lynch mobs and not Arab Israelis, Arab Christians, and anyone else not being a Jew ?”

            Ben: Now it becomes a bit clearer what Ido is flailing at. It’s not any coincidence at all, nor is it a strange one, because the non-Jewish persons are not perceived, and rightfully so, as settlers or people otherwise bearing ill will. This is not to excuse lynch mobs one bit (which Ido admits are rare but he likes the words for their shock value). But Ido is willfully confusing two separate issues and obstinately refuses to look at the BEHAVIOR of people on the Israeli side. Yes the occupation-sustaining BEHAVIOR of all those people on the Israeli side is committed exclusively by Jewish persons because the entire occupation is driven by an ideology of Jewish supremacy, but the same Palestinians lynching those persons would lynch Chinese or Nigerians or Frenchmen if those people BEHAVED as do the sustainers of the occupation. Ido refuses to look at BEHAVIOR on his side. He wants us to make superficial conclusions based on race and ethnicity because he is singe-mindedly focused on demonizing and anti-Semitizing.

            Q.E.D.

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          • Ido

            Why do you think lying about this, when the posts detailing your clueless nonsense are right above you, makes your situation any better ? I don’t get it but I don’t mind it, it’s great entertainment.
            “because the non-Jewish persons are not perceived, and rightfully so, as settlers” – Righ.. so the angry mob which attacks Jews, first stops and ask “tell me good sirs and/or Madams, are you by any chances Jewish settlers ?” never mind that evidence I provided, both cases, were not of Jewish settlers.
            “people otherwise bearing ill will.” – Apparently being Jewish is ‘bearing ill will’. So these 9 Jews who are not settlers, who are actually ultra-left peace activists, were apparently “bearing ill will” when they were attacked:
            https://tinyurl.com/yckd4pna

            “which Ido admits are rare but he likes the words for their shock value” – hilarious, you almost addressed it but you had to spin a lie around it. They are just as rare as Jews entering dangerous areas restricted by law, what a coincidence.
            “But Ido is willfully confusing two separate issues” – nope, again with your colorful “rephrasing”. I believe I was very specific. Especially when I repeated this about 8 or 9 times.
            “Palestinians lynching those persons” – Just proved how you are very wrong about this. Again.
            “Ido refuses to look at BEHAVIOR on his side” – so apparently being Jewish is a behavior.
            “demonizing and anti-Semitizing” – repeating this nonsense is still not making any less nonsense.
            “Q.E.D.” – nearly choked on my coffee laughing so hard, thanks man.

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          • Ben

            So you’ve outdone yourself here in taking the obvious truth and obviously distorting it willfully. We had to make it so obvious so as to lay it out like a dissecting board specimen. No ambiguity now. Even through the smoke and the willfulness. Even through comically obstinate and willfully obtuse and logic-inverting statements such as “so apparently being Jewish is a behavior.” Could anything better showcase your obstinacy? Could anything better showcase how impossible it is to have an honest and productive conversation with you?
            Alas. This is what we have come to. This is why it took so long to reach this simple and elegant Q.E.D. Perhaps you could learn from this self-infliction about how to curb these tendencies so as to waste everyone’s time just a little bit less? After all, we all only learn from our mistakes.
            I consider this a settled matter and will not further respond here, unless I feel like it, which I probably won’t.

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          • Ido

            (part 1): “obviously distorting” – what the hell are you talking about ? caught you again talking nonsense. Talking about something you obviously had no clue about. Told you there are restricted roads and areas prohibited by law to Jews, not Israelis as I proved to you about 20 times.
            You were in total denial this exists, then after I proved this to you, you bring an example of a Jew who did enter freely so I pointed out why she could so you changed your “strategy” again claiming the Palestinians only attack settlers or as you said ‘Israelis who are perceived as settlers or pro-occupation’, proved you wrong again: not Israelis, Jews. Settlers has nothing to do with this. You again ignored it, probably understanding again how I caught you talking nonsense so you again changed your “strategy” claiming since both groups are Jews, one is fine and the other is lynched so it’s not the Jew thing. again proved you wrong by explaining the circumstances why one group is attacked and one isn’t and also provided evidence how the Palestinians sometimes confuse the 2. Again I explained like to a child how one group are guests invited by the Palestinians, under their protection, they will make sure nothing will happen to them (usually, as I proved to you),and the other group is Jews who entered the restricted areas by themselves by mistake, putting their lives in danger.
            So I guess you’re out of hilarious squirming strategies ? how does explaining in detail, backed by evidence, how you are clueless is ‘willfully distorting’ ?

            more to follow.

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          • Ido

            (part 2): “so apparently being Jewish is a behavior” – Seriously ? you claimed Palestinians try to lynch Israelis “bearing ill will”. Your words. I proved to you this is false. Jews, not Israelis. And they don’t stop to question them about their will. This is ridiculous.
            So I pointed out the ridiculousness of your nonsense with sarcasm and this is your pathetic response ? how is this ‘willfully obtuse and logic-inverting’ ? you claimed it’s behavior, I proved you wrong. You think digging yourself deeper into the hole will somehow make it better somehow ?
            “Could anything better showcase how impossible it is to have an honest and productive conversation” – um, I proved you wrong. So many times in this article comments section alone. Showing in detail, backed by evidence, how you have no idea what you’re talking about. How you lie, twist what I say, squirm and dodge to backtrack from your ignorant clueless statements that have no basis in reality.
            “This is what we have come to” – yes, alas. I was hoping you would come up with some more “strategy” to try and cover your hilarious ignorant nonsense but I guess you’re out. Too bad.
            “simple and elegant Q.E.D” – how can I take you seriously when you behave like a joke ?
            “waste everyone’s time” – you weren’t wasting mine. Refuting brainwashed anti-Israel clueless ‘useful Idiots’ like you is very entertaining.
            “we all only learn from our mistakes” – couldn’t have said it better myself. Read the posts again, educate yourself. You’re obviously clueless about what is going on. This is embarrassing.
            “I consider this a settled matter and will not further respond here” – of course you do. After I just proved in great detail how you have no idea what you are talking about.
            I can point out the rest of the things you obviously had no clue about which I pointed out, like for example you being clueless about the Palestinian law sentencing to death anyone who sells land property to a Jew. Something you for some reason elegantly ignored from the moment I showed how you are clueless about it and its implications but I guess you consider that as a settled matter as well. You’re a joke.

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