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Reward activism and diplomacy, not violence

Far too many times Israel has mocked peace initiatives and adored violence. Altogether, it seems that the government is about to score major points in the propaganda war, only that each such victory is another step on the path to defeat.

As Israeli news outlets moved to live coverage mode over the weekend, I had a chance to speak with a friend who is involved in the politics of the mainstream Israeli left. He was enraged by the Palestinians, “who are again missing an opportunity.” At a time when Netanyahu is finally cornered, blamed for the failure of the peace talks, when we are moments away from public European intervention – so claims my friend – and when the coalition’s fractures are clearly visible — at such a moment, comes this terror attack that turns everyone against the Palestinians, takes the pressure of the government, and unites the public behind the prime minister. Next it will be discovered that Hamas is connected to the kidnapping and the West will reconsider its recognition of the Palestinian unity government.

I have heard these rants from other people as well, and many others on the Left simply preferred to stay silent over the past few days. The Israeli Left is clearly embarrassed by the more violent moments of the Palestinian struggle. Sometimes that embarrassment turns into anger about “the lack of a partner” on the other side, as if the Left is a PR person who discovers his client is a psychopath.

At times like this it is worth remembering that the Palestinians don’t work for the Israeli Left — or for the American peace camp, for that matter — and their national goal is not to score political points against Bibi or to improve the approval ratings of Meretz, Tzipi Livni or J Street. The sooner the Left stops analyzing the world through the lens of its own political interests, the better (this is also true for all those complaining that the Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel as a “Jewish State,” thus making it more difficult to sell the negotiations to a reluctant Israeli mainstream).

The Palestinians are conducting a national struggle for freedom, one which has heroic aspects to it but also despicable and intolerable ones like the latest kidnapping. Every such national liberation struggle in history has gone the same way, including our own.

In the past, Israeli society only listened to violence. The Madrid Conference and the Oslo Accord came after the First Intifada (though this was a largely unarmed struggle), and the Gaza Disengagement followed the Second Intifada. The same is true on other fronts as well. It took the 1973 War for Israel to sign a peace agreement with Egypt – before the war, Israeli governments refused far better offers than Anwar Sadat’s – and only the armed struggle by Hezbollah convinced Israelis to abandon their “Security Zone” in southern Lebanon.

Far too many times Israel has mocked peace initiatives and adored violence, both with its neighbors and among its own citizens. Netanyahu was way more serious in his talks with Hamas over cease fires and prisoner exchanges than he has ever been with Abbas. When Palestinian attacks on Israelis came to a complete halt, the government acted as if the status quo was just fine and that the world was finally coming to realize the occupation is a non-story. Now, when Jews are targeted again, they are asking why the international community is not more engaged. Altogether, it seems that Israel is about to score major points in the propaganda war, only that each such victory is another step on the path to defeat.

As an Israeli I find this kidnapping to be a revolting act. Those teens were targeted not because they were careless enough to hitchhike in the West Bank at night, as some comments today suggested, but because they were Israeli settlers in occupied land and there are those who believe that the only way to defeat Israel is through violence. There will always be such people. But if there is a chance to keep them as a small minority, Israel has done nothing to get there. I know Palestinians who hate and fear Hamas just as we do, but they also know that Israel couldn’t care less about them, while Hamas has delivered real achievements.

Israeli soldiers stop Palestinians at a flying check-point at the entrance to the West Bank city of Hebron, seen on June 15, 2014. A complete closure was put on the city after three Israeli teenagers went missing near a West Bank settlement. The three, all students at a Jewish seminary, went missing late on June 12 as they were hitchhiking between Bethlehem and Hebron and are believed to have been kidnapped. (Photo by Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

Israeli soldiers stop Palestinians at a flying check-point at the entrance to the West Bank city of Hebron, seen on June 15, 2014. A complete closure was put on the city after three Israeli teenagers went missing near a West Bank settlement. The three, all students at a Jewish seminary, went missing late on June 12 as they were hitchhiking between Bethlehem and Hebron and are believed to have been kidnapped. (Photo by Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

Apart from genuine concern for the kidnapped teens and hoping that they will safely return to their families and friends, the Israel Left should remember today – and remind its fellow citizens – that ending the occupation is in Israel’s long-term interest, both morally and politically. The same system that is now mobilized in an effort to bring the teens home – and rightly so – is the one that deprives Palestinians of their most basic freedoms on a day-to-day basis. It is the same military and political system that evicts people from their homes, expels, locks them up, tries civilians in military tribunals – if it bothers to try them at all – locks up political activists for weeks, months and years at a time, and at times also kills. And it has done so for Palestinians of every age and background, for decades.

Even more importantly, it is time Israeli society respected those people who are trying to free their countrymen with diplomatic measures or through grassroots activism around the world and in Palestine, and not just those who blow up buses or kidnap Israelis. Consider Israel’s indifference to the mass hunger strike by administrative detainees – i.e. people who are imprisoned without trial – and compare it to the handling of the Schalit kidnapping, which resulted in the release of some 1,000 convicted prisoners. And let’s admit this: Israel will consider whoever is behind the latest attack a way more “serious” actor than it will those who have devoted their entire lives to making peace with us. And there are many of them – one just needs to open his/her heart and mind to see them.

Attacks on Israelis will continue. They will continue because the occupation is the real engine for terror, and because the Palestinian Authority’s motivation to collaborate with Israeli security forces will diminish over time. They will continue even if a political process toward a solution is resumed, regardless of the nature of such a solution – because that is the way opponents of the process will fight it.

The difference between these two scenarios is this: those in Israel who believe in a settlement with the Palestinians are offering a distant future in which peace could come, while the rest advocate eternal war, assuming that we can win all battles till kingdom come, and regardless of the price paid on the way.

Read More on the West Bank kidnapping
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    1. Bar

      Everyone tries to push their political agenda into this kidnapping and Sheizaf is no different.

      “Those teens were targeted not because they were careless enough to hitchhike in the West Bank at night, as some comments today suggested, but because they were Israeli settlers in occupied land”

      Not true. Shalit and other kidnapping victims (most of whom were killed) were not settlers in occupied land…unless you meant places such as Tel Aviv and Petah Tikvah and Ein Gev. The kidnappers do not differentiate among Israelis, except, perhaps, at times, among Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis.

      As for,
      “Attacks on Israelis will continue. They will continue because the occupation is the real engine for terror…”

      The occupation is not terror. The occupation is what keeps you and your family safe at night. The occupation also did not precede terror. There were terror attacks prior to the 1967 with hundreds and hundreds of Israeli victims. The PLO was founded years earlier, to remind you.

      Israel doesn’t need propaganda points right now. It needs to have these boys back. Unfortunately, if they get anywhere near the boys, they’ll be murdered (Waxman lost his life this way) and if they don’t get to the boys, it will take years before they’ll agree to trade for them and since these are teens, they may not come out of this with unaffected minds. Perhaps this is not the moment to be writing articles about how the occupation is terror.

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      • Philos

        Yes, Noam, listen to Bar here. Keep your thoughts to yourself and let everyone else get on with feeling like the victims and staring at the collective poopik

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        • Bar

          History proves him wrong, as I point out above, and so do current events throughout the Middle East. If Israel didn’t have a buffer and a military presence among the Palestinians, can you explain how things would be different than what we see in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq? These kidnappings would have happened if not a single Israeli was living in Judea and Samaria. Shalit was kidnapped, in a complex operation (at least a military vs military one) after Israel was completely gone from Gaza.

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          • Philos

            How things would be different from Iraq, Syria and Lebanon? Well, for one, I imagine that the USA along with its rabid dogs in Riyadh won’t be supplying weaponry, money and training to al-Qaeda fascists in the West Bank and Gaza, and try to sell this morally bankrupted policy through the mainstream press as ‘rebels’ against tyrants. I know the USA has it’s disagreements with Israel but a strong Israel is an American interest so you can be sure there won’t be any articles in the NYT and the rest of the presstitute trying to rehabilitate genocidal cannibals like we saw with al-Qaeda in Syria by the BBC, NYT and others.

            So, yes, big difference.

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          • Bar

            Do you froth when blather comes out of your mouth?

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          • Philos

            So that’s the sound of your argument sinking?

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          • Bar

            Nah, it’s me not wasting time with meaningless blather.

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    2. Baladi Akka 1948

      “Every such national liberation struggle in history(….), including our own”
      I didn’t know aliens expelling indigenous people from their homeland to create a state was called ‘national liberation struggle’, thought that was called colonization, ethnic cleansing, theft…

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      • I was referring to the armed struggle against the British.

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        • Baladi Akka 1948

          Yes, I know you did, but I’m still amazed everytime I see that ‘national liberation stuff’ and I always wonder how one can possibly refer to intruders fighting other intruders without any concern for the natives can as a national liberation struggle. I would have sworn that kind of struggle takes place on ones own land….

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          • Marcos

            Sounds like you are against the two state solution

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    3. Chr

      Bar – You distorted the author’s original text and implied something that he didn’t say. He specifically said that these teens were kidnapped because of where they were living. He did not mention past victims in the paragraph you quoted.. you then conflated it with an entirely different scenario. That’s either intentionally dishonest or overlooking the reality of this particular situation.

      Secondly, one cannot say whether or not these kidnappings would happen if ‘not a single Israeli was living in Judea and Samaria.’ That is purely speculation. One can also not say that the same thing would happen in Palestine that is happening in Syria, Lebanon or Iraq.. again speculation.. but not even well educated speculation. The issues facing the populations of Iraq and Syria specifically do not exist in remotely the same way in Palestine. You are not doing anything positive by making such accusations without understanding the nature of Palestinian society or the religious make up of the region.

      Third, the occupation is precisely terror, and any opportunity to show its effects and the terrible reactions (such as this kidnapping), should be welcomed. The occupation does very little to encourage a peaceful reaction from the Palestinians.. exactly the author’s point.

      If Israel truly wanted peace, it would recognize that it too must end all acts of violence against the other side. Two wrongs don’t make a right. To truly solve the issue between opposing groups, both must learn to disassociate themselves from the common and all too simple viewpoint of being a reactionary. Reactionaries, like yourself, like Bibi, like Hamas, exist only to perpetuate conflict.

      All the best.

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      • Bar

        “Bar – You distorted the author’s original text and implied something that he didn’t say.”

        That’s precisely why I quoted him directly and certainly not out of context, so that nobody can claim that I misrepresented what he said. Look at my comment again, the quote is rendered in full.

        “He specifically said that these teens were kidnapped because of where they were living. He did not mention past victims in the paragraph you quoted..”

        Of course he didn’t. I am pointing out that he is wrong by bringing up the other victims who weren’t settlers. If other kidnapped and killed Israelis come from within 1949 borders, then his point about these victims being victims because of where they live is moot.

        “you then conflated it with an entirely different scenario. That’s either intentionally dishonest or overlooking the reality of this particular situation.”

        Not at all. Recently two Hamas tunnels leading into Israeli territory from Gaza were uncovered. The IDF presumes they were going to be used either for attacks or kidnappings. That means that just as Hamas launched rockets at Israelis who aren’t settlers, whatever operation Hamas was planning was going to target non-settlers.

        “Secondly, one cannot say whether or not these kidnappings would happen if ‘not a single Israeli was living in Judea and Samaria.’ That is purely speculation.”

        I’m going by what has happened in Gaza where not a single Israeli lives and not a single soldier soldiers. So yes, I can certainly state this without being too speculative.

        “One can also not say that the same thing would happen in Palestine that is happening in Syria, Lebanon or Iraq.. again speculation.. but not even well educated speculation.”

        Well, I beg to differ. I’m going by the manner in which Hamas attacked the PA’s Fatah-based forces in 2006. Along with other horrendous deeds, they threw some of these men off rooftops. I’m going by Gazan use of civilian neighborhoods to attack Israeli civilians. Maybe you don’t see a resemblance to, say, Iraq and Syria, but I would say you’re blind.

        “The issues facing the populations of Iraq and Syria specifically do not exist in remotely the same way in Palestine.”

        Actually, if what we are seeing in Iraq and Syria is sectarian fighting, and that is precisely what we are seeing and even the disintegration of these countries is falling into sectarian enclaves (even the Kurds now dominate their territory, despite being shut out in the early 20th Century and later on), I would venture to say that fighting between Hamas and Fatah is at the very least somewhat similar in that people of similar ethnic background are fighting over their respective ideologies as well as who gets to control resources. Certainly the quarrel between the Muslims and Jews over this land matches the sectarian-type of conflict we see elsewhere. It just so happens that Israel’s military is strong enough to create a safety bubble for now.

        “You are not doing anything positive by making such accusations without understanding the nature of Palestinian society or the religious make up of the region.”

        Now that you’ve read my comments, are you going to persist with this claim? Do you really think I don’t understand Palestinian society or the religious make up of the region?

        “Third, the occupation is precisely terror,”

        What a lie. The occupation, first of all, is security for Israel. That Israel needs security is a shame, but it is a fact. Second, the occupation has given the Palestinians a government (two actually), control over virtually their entire population, a seat at a negotiating table where they have been offered a state and access to diplomatic channels and to significant funds (which apparently are being at least partially embezzled by the Palestinian leadership). Third, the occupation has enabled Palestinian society to grow and thrive. They have their own universities – all established after 1967 – their own TV, print, radio and publishing, their own economy, their own government, an ability to work and earn inside Israel or Israeli enterprises at wages that far exceed neighboring countries, access to health care in Israel where last year 100,000 Palestinians were treated in hospitals (and currently Abbas’s wife is and some months ago Hanieh’s mother was). Fourth, the occupation is really a military presence which expands its capabilities and contracts them as needed. This is why in 2007 you had 500 checkpoints and today you have about 10 (ten!!!!!).

        Do bad things happen because of Israel’s military presence in Judea and Samaria? Well, yes. Then again, it’s not as if the Palestinians are just sitting on their asses twiddling their thumbs. The “resistance” is quite active in numerous spheres. And the resistance, just to be clear, is not intended to merely exact a physical price from Israel and its civilians but also to gain media exposure so that one of the things the Palestinians actively do is generate strife and activity in order to generate publicity. This site, for example, 972mag, often publishes this propaganda and does it in a manner that pretends that it isn’t propaganda but actual news.

        “and any opportunity to show its effects and the terrible reactions (such as this kidnapping), should be welcomed.”

        This is precisely why I pointed out that there were kidnappings and killings prior to 1967 and also in areas inside 1949 lines. In fact, in the seven years of the Palestinian War of 2000 the majority of Israeli victims were inside 1949 lines, not settlers.

        “The occupation does very little to encourage a peaceful reaction from the Palestinians.. exactly the author’s point.”

        Well, the author needs to examine what happened in Gaza. After Israel evacuated every civilian and removed every soldier, it still had a hostile enemy attacking Israeli civilians (primarily) and soldiers (rarely). This indicates the author’s point is completely wrong.

        “If Israel truly wanted peace, it would recognize that it too must end all acts of violence against the other side.”

        You mean that they should offer peace and a Palestinian state? They did, twice officially and once unofficially just in the past 14 years. The Palestinians either say no or walk away. We could have had a Palestinian state over a decade ago.

        “Two wrongs don’t make a right. To truly solve the issue between opposing groups, both must learn to disassociate themselves from the common and all too simple viewpoint of being a reactionary. Reactionaries, like yourself, like Bibi, like Hamas, exist only to perpetuate conflict.

        All the best.”

        Well, you ended with some true stupidity. You see, it is you who are obviously forgiving and supportive of the kidnapping of these teenagers. You blame it on Israel, but ultimately, as I’ve shown in my points above, Israel has offered to remove its soldiers, all the settlers in about 95% of Judea and Samaria, share Jerusalem and let the Palestinians enjoy a sovereign state. So the blame lies with the side that refuses to settle and make peace – the same side which refused to settle in 1937, 1947, 2000, 2001, 2008 and refused to come to talks in 2010 and walked away from direct talks after three months last year. This is the side you’re defending. This is the side seeking perpetual conflict and war. It may make you feel better to compare me to Hamas, but in actuality it is you (and Noam Sheizaf) who stand firmly behind them. I, on the other hand, stand with the poor handful of Palestinians who dare to ask for a resolution to the conflict. People such as this:

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/palestinian-professor-resigns-students-auschwitz

        Perhaps you should quit authoring propaganda points for terrorists and try to help the decent people who want peace?

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    4. Tzutzik

      “I didn’t know aliens expelling indigenous people from their homeland to create a state was called ‘national liberation struggle’, thought that was called colonization, ethnic cleansing, theft…”

      Thank you for your honesty Baladi.

      According to you we are ALL alien colonisers. That is why Bar’s response to Philos is 100% spot on. Even if we would give up our so called “settlements”, you will keep on fighting us and kidnapping our children until one of two things would happen:

      1) You kick us all out of here, Israel included.

      Or

      2) We thump you so hard that you will never dare to raise your heads again.

      You just proved Bar’s point. The settlements are just a convenient excuse for you to continue your 100 year old war of extermination against us.

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      • Baladi Akka 1948

        As you didn’t oppose my point about Noam’s “national liberation struggle” being an euphemism for a colonial enterprise, I guees it means you agree with me about that.

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        • Tzutzik

          You guess wrong. Try again.

          Oh and once again, thank you for being honest and showing why this war persists. You want nothing short of rubbing us out.

          Any reasonable person therefore sees that we have no choice other than to respond to your violence with our violence. Thank your lucky stars you only face us. Any other people would have responded to what you have dished out to us for nearly 100 years, much more violently. Maybe like your brothers in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. We are just amateurs compared to them, Baladi. Mull on that …

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    5. JG

      “We thump you so hard that you will never dare to raise your heads again.”

      Tell us more about your fascist fever dreams, douche

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      • Tzutzik

        “Tell us more about your fascist fever dreams, douche”

        Get fucked. You like that JG?

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    6. Ben Zakkai

      Oh, how my heart grieves for the three national-religious-settler young men whose lives have been tragically interrupted before they were able to join IDF combat units and beat the shit out of Palestinians for sport. How dare those evil Arabs use violence and terror? Never mind that force is the only language Israel understands, as Noam points out; never mind that Israel uses terror, i.e. force/violence/threats against Palestinian civilians for political ends, on a daily basis. No, the Palestinians must restrict their national liberation struggle to joining the U.N. Special Agency for Flower Arranging, which will no doubt win them a state. Go Israel! Seal off the West Bank, quarantine Hebron, bomb Gaza, arrest hundreds of Palestinians and kill a few just to help us all relax; hey, maybe the next time a terrible crime is committed in Tel Aviv, we should employ similar measures in Israel? No, in Israel we’ve got to balance law enforcement and security against civil rights, but how lucky we are that the West Bank Palestinians aren’t citizens and have no rights! If any of them need to travel for work or business, to a wedding or funeral or shopping mall or hospital, or just because they’d like to go on a vacation for which they’ve already paid, well, tough titties. All together now, everybody sing HaTikva, and then we’ll pray ganz sefer tehillim for the safe return of our dear Settler Youth.

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      • Bar

        Thank you for the exegesis of Noam’s article.

        Thank you also for demonstrating precisely why you and your friends can’t get anyone to vote for your agenda. There really is no justice in this world. Why couldn’t your family members be kidnapped? I wonder what you’d be writing then.

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        • Ben Zakkai

          Oh, I dunno Bar, maybe I’d be writing the same thing that you’d be writing if your family members were shot down like dogs in Beitunia or white-phosphorus-bombed on Gaza beaches by bored, trigger-happy IDF murderers who need fear no consequences — but like you said, there really is no justice in this world.

          And I totally agree with you that if the Israeli public isn’t willing to vote for Palestinian rights — like for example the right to vote — then ipso facto it must be ridiculous to advocate such rights. Heck, if only the world had respected white Southerners’ refusal to vote against slavery or white South Africans’ refusal to vote against apartheid, them nigras wouldn’ta got so uppity.

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          • Bar

            Oh please, white phosphorous my tuches. A family member of mine had a building hit by a Hamas rocket collapse on him. That wasn’t even enough to get Israel to enter Gaza. Did you get that? A rocket launched from an area where not a single Israeli lives and where there is a border with another country hit a civilian target in Israel. It was one of thousands of such rockets and you excused every single one of them. And most of them are double war crimes, unlike the use of white phosphorous which is legal.

            As for the Israelis voting for Palestinian rights, go tell it to some ignorant shlub. Palestinians don’t vote because their ELECTED leaders refuse to go back to elections.

            The idiocy about comparing this to slavery and South Africa and a word I never use in my vocabulary is just more idiocy from you. Add this to the list of why you can’t get Israelis to vote for your views.

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          • Ginger Eis

            Ben Zakkai (I guess Reza Lustig is taking a nap), last time you said that you have a family to take care of and took off. What happened since then? Ya know, Ben, taking care of a family is 24hrs, 7days a week job. Responsible fathers don’t spend twee weeks taking care of their families and the rest of the year with their PC’s ranting on the internet (exclusively) on anything Israel/Jews, employing polemics and screeds as you do ad nauseam, while wallowing in your delusions that they are making any arguments, and seeking validation, comfort, etc. from internet personas. No, Ben, they find validation and comfort in first taking good care of the ones entrusted to them (i.e. their families) by G-d (or whatever they believe), in their ability to find and maintain good paying jobs, etc. Ultimately this obsession with Israel/Jews will bring a lot of misery to your family. Maybe it’s time to give it a rest or consult a professional if you can’t do it on your own, no?

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    7. Ben Zakkai

      Oh yeah, dropping white phosphorus on civilians is definitely legal, and necessary too! In fact it’s even beneficial; those friggin’ Palestinians should be paying us to drop ‘ol Willie Pete on their kids! But instead they shoot rockets because they have some crazy idea that if Israel’s running a full-blown military dictatorship with massive land theft in the West Bank, plus blockading Gaza with a buffer zone and occasional airstrikes, tank rounds and sniper fire, that they actually have a right to resist! Chutz-PAH. And I like your take on democracy, too; I guess if King Abdullah doesn’t allow his subjects to participate in free elections, that gives Israel the right to invade and occupy Jordan, steal its land and resources and abuse its people too. What a relief!

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      • Tzutzik

        Stop pretending that Israel has been and is responsible for violence, Benny.

        Your Palestinian Arab buddies are the ones who first resorted to violence going back nearly 100 years ago and who have continued it to this day.

        It is therefore rich for scum like you, Benny, to then complain about Israel’s violent response when we get a gut full of it.

        It is also disgusting how scum like you, Benny, twist things inside out and try to pretend that the Palestinian Arabs are the ones who respond to Israel’s violence. You know what they call such tactics of yours, Benny? I’ll tell ya … FILTHY LIES!!!

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      • Ginger Eis

        Ben Zakkai, what an irrational rage mirroring a confused mind and a disturbed persona! Seriously, Ben, (a) get a hold of yourself, (b) THINK and collect your thoughts together in a coherent manner, point by point, and then (c) put them in writing and post. As things stands now, you are in rage, incoherent, incomprehensible and emotionally out of control. Thinking that the chaotic, scurrilous diatribe you present here amounts to any arguments, is just delusional.

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      • Bar

        A little integrity, or at least some facts in your rant will go a long way.

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        • Ben Zakkai

          Wow, Bar and Tzutzik and Ginger Eis are going all screechy ad hominem on me! Too bad your personal attacks are no substitute for common sense or basic decency. Sleep tight, junior hasbara mouseketeers.

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          • Bar

            I didn’t offer you facts? Of course I did. You responded with a rant.

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          • Tzutzik

            Ad hominem attacks, joker? Don’t tell me Ben Zakkai is your real name?But even if it is, you deserve it for your lies, propaganda and distortions against my country.

            Here is another screechy comment from me: you are a pig, Benny.

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          • Y-Man

            you and Bar spend so much time trolling this site. it’s depressing to think about how empty your life must be.

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          • Tzutzik

            Don’t you worry about my life, Yes-Man. Sorry (NOT) to spoil your hatefest by being here and giving you a taste of your own hateful malice which you lot exhibit against my country.

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          • Bar

            Hope that made you feel better.

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          • Tzutzik

            “Hope that made you feel better.”

            It sure did, friend. I love being strident towards the A-Holes who choose to be strident against Israel and who choose to ignore all context and history. For them, everything always starts with Israel’s response to Palestinian Arabs acts of hatred against us.

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          • Bar

            I was addressing Y-Man.

            😉

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          • Tzutzik

            No problems. No offense taken, Bar.

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