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Pride parade stabber found fit to stand trial

Yishai Shlissel, the ultra-Orthodox man arrested for attacking marchers at Jerusalem’s Pride Parade for the second time, has been declared mentally fit to stand trial — again.

Lehava members protest in front of Jerusalem gay pride parade, July 30, 2015. (Keren Manor/Activestills)

Lehava members protest in front of Jerusalem gay pride parade, holding signs with slogans such as “Jerusalem is not Sodom.” July 30, 2015. (Keren Manor/Activestills)

Yishai Shlissel, the ultra-Orthodox man accused of murdering a teenage girl and injuring five other people in a stabbing attack at the Jerusalem pride parade last month, was declared mentally fit to stand trial on Wednesday.

Jerusalem police were expected to charge Shlissel with murder and several counts of attempted murder. Shlissel has refused legal representation, saying that he does not recognize the court because it does not follow the rules of Torah.

This is the second psychiatric evaluation Shlissel has undergone since he was arrested at the scene of the stabbing on July 30th. Though an assessment carried out the day after the attack found Shlissel to be psychologically fit to stand trial, the Jerusalem district psychiatrist ordered his mental state to be reassessed after extended observation in a psychiatric institution.

Shlissel, a resident of the ultra-Orthodox settlement of Modi’in Illit, near Jerusalem, carried out an almost identical attack at the 2005 Jerusalem pride parade, injuring three. He was sentenced to 10 years in jail for attempted murder, and was released just three weeks prior to the second assault.

The announcement comes amid a period of nationwide “soul-searching” following a deadly July, in which suspected religious fanatics carried out two fatal attacks on innocent civilians — the first at the Jerusalem gay pride parade and the second, the day after, in the Palestinian village of Duma, where an arson attack on a family home killed an infant and his father.

In the wake of the deadly stabbing at the pride parade in Jerusalem, many within right-wing and religious media outlets in Israel raised questions regarding Shlissel’s mental state. This is a frequently heard speculation among those communities following hate crimes or terrorist attacks committed by Jews, and many have attempted to marginalize the perpetrators and therefore avoid questions of responsibility for the crimes.

Blood is seen on the pavement following a mass stabbing attack against the Jerusalem LGBTQ Pride Parade in Jerusalem, July 30, 2015. (Keren Manor/Activestills.org)

Blood is seen on the pavement following a mass stabbing attack against the Jerusalem LGBTQ Pride Parade in Jerusalem, July 30, 2015. (Keren Manor/Activestills.org)

In the days leading up to the Jerusalem gay pride parade, the far right-wing Lehava organization released a statement which threatened that they would not allow the event “to pass quietly. ” The organization’s leader, Benzi Gopstein, described the event as an “abomination.”

Gopstein, along with Honenu lawyer Itamar Ben Gvir, was present at the courthouse at which Shlissel appeared the morning after the attack.

Ben Gvir told reporters that he considers the participants in the parade “agitators and provocateurs,” before stating that he is against such attacks.

Following Shlissel’s arrest, police launched an internal investigation to determine why no one had been monitoring him on the day of the parade, especially as he had reportedly distributed leaflets signaling his intention to attack the event.

The investigation resulted in finger pointing, with the police intelligence unit claiming that it had not been made aware of Shlissel’s release from jail.

However, Internal Security Minister Gilad Erdan rejected recommendations to punish several senior police officers.

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    1. Weiss

      So does that mean they will be demolishing his home as well for this terrorist act?

      Or are there 2 sets of laws: one for Jews and another for Palestinians.

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      • Gustav

        Stupid comment. The type that we have come to expect from Weiss and his kindred spirits. Here, educate yourself…

        There is Israel and it has a set of laws. There is the West Bank which is under military rule. It has another set of laws. Lotsa terrorists live in the WB. Therefore, the laws in there are much harsher even though I don’t remember the last time there has been a house demolition there. In Israel itself, criminals are subject to Israeli laws irrespective of whether the criminals are Arabs or Jews.

        What our brain dead Weiss is advocating is akin to demanding that a criminal in the USA should be subject to Mexican laws. Go back to sleep Weiss.

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        • Gustav

          Over the years, lotsa terroris from the West Bank infiltrated into Israel and indiscriminately murdered Israeli men women and children. When they get caught, we put them in jail where they get fed, watered and have visitation rights by their loved ones.

          Compare that to what happens to Israelis who lose their way and wander into places like Ramallah in the West Bank. They get arrested by the PA police and pretty soon when word gets out, an Arab mob gathers, breaks into the jail and lynch the unfortunate Israelis under the noses of the PA police.

          Now, if Weiss wouldn’t be the hypocrite that he is, he would venture a similar sarcastic comment and muse why Israelis don’t apply the same treatment to Palestinian Arabs who come to murder Israelis in Israel. Why they shouldn’t be lynched too?

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        • Weiss

          The terrorist attack by a Jew took place in Jerusalem you Fascist.

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          • Gustav

            So Israeli law applies, you Kapo.

            Again, you advocated the equivalent of applying Mexican law to sentence American criminals.

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          • Ben

            No, Weiss quite intelligently advocated the equivalent of applying, in a situation where the USA is illegally occupying Mexico for 48 years, the US occupier’s illegal collective punishment practices, usually applied strictly to occupied Mexicans, to American terrorists terrorizing Americans inside a city of which the USA is illegally occupying the Mexican half. Got it? If I made the elementary mistakes about “Mexican law” that you do I would be careful about going around calling others stupid.

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          • Gustav

            There are so many things wrong in Benny’s above post that I don’t quite know where to begin correcting his nonsense.

            Let’s start with this…

            1. ILLEGAL OCCUPATION:
            What exactly is illegal with the occupation Benny? The occupation came about as a result of an illegal war of aggression by Jordan against Israel in 1967. And it continues to this day because the Jordanians after having lost the war, relinquished all claims to the West Bank and handed over the responsibility for the West Bank to the Palestinian Arabs who refuse to sign a peace deal to this day.

            2. BENNY’S ANALOGY
            Benny seems to think that Jerusalem is part of the West Bank. It isn’t. It is part of Israel. That is why Israeli law applies in Jerusalem where the crime was committed. But Weiss wanted old West Bank practices to apply. That is equivalent to advocating that America should apply Mexican laws to criminals say in Los Angeles. It would be funny really if it wouldn’t be two seemingly grown men, Weiss and Benny, advocating such nonsense.

            3. COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT
            Benny in full flight now. He reflexively utters his customary nonsense without even reflecting for a minute what we have been discussing. Hey, earth to Benny… we were discussing the punishment that should be meted out to the criminal moron who stabbed the people in the Gay Parade. Weiss advocated that his house should be demolished. I pointed out how nonsensical and hypocritical he is for advocating that. Then you start muttering about irrelevant stuff.

            I could go on pointing out more nonsense in Bennie’s above post. But why bother? It’s like talking to a brick. He is too thick to understand.

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          • Israel

            “So Israeli law applies”

            Jerusalem isn’t in Israel.

            “Again, you advocated the equivalent of applying Mexican law to sentence American criminals.”

            No, you advocated the equivalent of applying Mexican law to sentence American criminals.

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          • Gustav

            GUSTAV:“So Israeli law applies”

            ISI:”Jerusalem isn’t in Israel.”

            Jerusalem IS in Israel. It IS part of Israel.

            West Jerusalem was part of Israel since 1948. East Jerusalem was conquered in 1967 in a defensive war after Jordan attacked Israel. And it was subsequently formally annexed to Israel.

            Historically, the UN intended Jerusalem to be an international city. according UN GA Resolution 181 voted Jerusalem to be an international city but since it was a General Assembly resolution, that resolution was non binding. Indeed, that’s why the Arabs were able to reject the resolution with impunity and to make war on us with the view to attempt to erase Israel as soon as we came into existence. But they failed and as part of that failure ensured that the UN resolution died too.

            GUSTAV:“Again, you advocated the equivalent of applying Mexican law to sentence American criminals.”

            ISI:No, you advocated the equivalent of applying Mexican law to sentence American criminals.”

            Excuse me? Is it just me? I didn’t notice a difference between my sentence and Isi’s sentence. I guess he insists that HE is right about Jerusalem. But of course he isn’t because we are here and we control Jerusalem. By the way, I wonder how Arabs would feel if the world would insist that Mecca is an international city? I bet no one would try to be so preposterous. They reserve such stupidity only against the Jewish people, even though Jerusalem has been as historically connected to the Jewish people at least as much as Mecca has been connected to the Saudi Arabs.

            By the way ISI, name an international city anywhere else. No? You can’t? Then why do you pretend that Jerusalem is the only international city in this world?

            PS
            Interesting pseudonym you chose, ISI, LOL.

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          • Gustav

            Tagid li masehu beivrit, yisrael?

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          • Gustav

            Back to WEISS…

            WEISS advocated that old West Bank practices should be used to sentence the moronic criminal who committed his hateful crime against people who marched in the gay parade in Jerusalem.

            ME, I pointed out that Jerusalem is part of Israel and therefore Israeli law applies.

            Then outcomes this ISI bod and claims that Jerusalem is NOT part of Israel. He just asserted this of course but the only reason why he thought he could assert such a stupid thing is because he thinks that UN GA Resolution 181 still applies (which of course it doesn’t because broken things cannot be unbroken – and the Arabs certainly broke that resolution). That resolution would make Jerusalem an international city.

            So back to WEISS again. Even if ISI would be right, which he isn’t, old West Bank practices would not apply in Jerusalem. So WEISS is still dead wrong and is still a hypocrite.

            One has to laugh at the pro Arab propagandists who frequent this site. They are desperate pathetic little people. They pop out of nowhere, they make hateful comments which they cannot justify. Then they disappear till next time. Add water mix and repeat…

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          • Ben

            More baloney. East Jerusalem is illegally occupied territory just as the West Bank is. The annexation, unrecognized by the entire world including those nice Americans, furthermore, is being used to relentlessly expand the boundaries of East Jerusalem in a blatant, never-ending land grabbing project in an of itself, and the Arab residents of East Jerusalem are exposed to relentless discrimination and 1000 shades of trickery by the Israeli authorities, at every level. Do not even bother to try to dispute this. Wouldn’t you be happier fulminating and harrumphing on a Likudist schmatteh like the Jerusalem Post or an extreme nationalist propaganda sheet like Arutz Sheva? Your blood pressure would go down. Your doctor would be happy. Everyone would be happy. For the life of me I do not understand why you feel compelled to camp out at +972 Magazine and attack everything and everyone incessantly and spin tales no one takes seriously.

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          • Gustav

            LOL Benny in full flight making baseless assertions again.

            At best, as I said above, If UN GA Resolution would still apply, which it does not, because the Arabs “broke it” when they ignored the resolution in 1948, but at best, even then, Jerusalem would be an international city.

            It was never intended to be nor is it part of the Palestinian Arab state. The fact that propagandists like you Benny, have been trying to fool every one by endlessly repeating your lies, does not make Jerusalem a Palestinian Arab city.

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          • Ben

            Fine make it an international protectorate. All the better. Much better than the thieving religious-nationalist-colonialist-expansionist theme park it is now. You’re just bluffing. You have to share Jerusalem. You have to solve the problem now, going forward, not clinging to selected fragments of the past as all purpose excuses, not hiding behind who you arbitrarily announce broke what when. Talk about running away. Ever the victim. Ever the grievance collector. Meanwhile your guys break all sorts of things and all sorts of people on a daily basis in EJ and the WB but hey that’s ok we’re special. You’re like a guy who happens on the ruins of a mansion from 100 years ago and unearths the scene of a fight in which two groups at a party apparently threw the china at each other and broke every plate and cup in the house, and says, “hey their group not my group broke this stuff and I announce that their group threw the first plate a 100 years ago even though that is totally arbitrary and one-sided to say that, I just know.” OK, gotta run (LOL) got a plane to catch.

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          • Gustav

            BEN:”Fine make it an international protectorate. All the better.”

            Yep, anything is better than those damn dirty, filthy Israeli Jews controlling their capital city. Right Benny?

            BEN:”Much better than the thieving religious-nationalist-colonialist-expansionist theme park it is now.”

            Oops, Benny is off again. Verbal diarrhoea. Ranting and raving about filthy religious Jewish scum. And HE calls me a supremacist.

            BEN:”You’re just bluffing. You have to share Jerusalem. You have to solve the problem now,”

            Bluffing…? Have to…? We have to solve the problem but your Palestinian Arabs have to do nothing? Ok Benny, just keep on muttering those thoughts to yourself…

            BEN:”going forward, not clinging to selected fragments of the past as all purpose excuses, not hiding behind who you arbitrarily announce broke what when. Talk about running away.”

            Do you see us running away, Benny? Um… ok…

            BEN:”Ever the victim. Ever the grievance collector.”

            You must be talking about your darling Palestinian Arabs again Benny.

            BEN:”Meanwhile your guys break all sorts of things and all sorts of people on a daily basis in EJ and the WB but hey that’s ok we’re special.”

            There goes Benny again with his selective narrative. We are evil Israeli Jews but the Palestinian Arabs are angelic victims.

            BEN:”You’re like a guy who happens on the ruins of a mansion from 100 years ago and unearths the scene of a fight in which two groups at a party apparently threw the china at each other and broke every plate and cup in the house, and says, “hey their group not my group broke this stuff and I announce that their group threw the first plate a 100 years ago even though that is totally arbitrary and one-sided to say that, I just know.”

            What is one sided about telling history as it actually happened? Instead of like you, concentrating on pointing the finger at one group ONLY and pretending that the other group is entirely innocent and therefore even today they don’t have to lift a finger to sort out the mess.

            BEN:”OK, gotta run (LOL) got a plane to catch.”

            We will miss ya Benny. Yep, like we miss a stomach ache, LOL.

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          • Ben

            @Gustav: You’re hysterical. Listen to yourself. All worked up into a positively assaultive, self-righteous lather. How rude. By what dispensation do you feel license to say that I am “ranting and raving” about “damn, dirty, filthy Jews….filthy religious Jewish scum”? What an offensive person you are. You should be ashamed of yourself. You, not anyone else, is making it about Jews. You’re the one with the overheated, dirty, filthy mind.

            As regards Jerusalem, first of all, acknowledge that no country in the world (except for Israel) has recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and most do not recognize it as a city that is properly Israel’s. The UN’s longstanding proposal is that Jerusalem should have an international status. The entire world especially does not and will not recognize Israel’s ownership of occupied East Jerusalem and does not recognize the 1980 “complete and united” Jerusalem Law proclamation, and as we all know, foreign embassies locate themselves in Tel Aviv.

            Now, why not, you demand, give complete control of all of Jerusalem to “the Jews”? (AKA Israelis that is?–and what happens to your Arab citizens, denizens of the land for centuries before you arrived, in that equation? Note how you constantly conflate Jews and Jerusalem, Jews and Israel–yet, at the same time, let a boycott proponent nowadays begin to conflate the same by simply listening to the message you constantly send and learning from it, and then you’re screaming at the top of your lungs that they’re dyed-in-the-wool anti-Semites–do you even get the contradiction?) Well, just look what the Israelis (synonymous with “Jews” in your mind) have done with the control they have had in the past half century. They have tried to discriminate against and push out non-Jews at every turn. Not openly and up front of course but with every underhanded maneuver and trick in the book to kick the Arabs out, to not let them return when they travel abroad, to steal their homes bit by bit, etc., etc., etc., and in general to treat these “annexed” people with a contempt with which they would not dream of treating a single Jew. So don’t lecture me about how deserving “the Jews” (again, just who is that? All world Jewry?) are to arrogate all of Jerusalem to themselves as the sovereign because they will treat everyone so fairly and be so inclusive. They have not earned it. So what makes you so all high and mighty and so full of yourself about how much better Jews with power over others supposedly will behave than other people with power over others behave? The record simply does not support your self righteousness about “the Jews” controlling all of Jerusalem (and no neither does the record support “the Arabs” controlling it all–we don’t need your familiar litany about “the Arabs”).

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          • Israel

            “I pointed out that Jerusalem is part of Israel and therefore Israeli law applies.”

            Jerusalem is not part of Israel.

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          • Gustav

            ISI:”Jerusalem is not part of Israel.”

            Jerusalem IS part of Israel.

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          • Israel

            “West Jerusalem was part of Israel since 1948. East Jerusalem was conquered in 1967 in a defensive war after Jordan attacked Israel. And it was subsequently formally annexed to Israel.”

            Jerusalem was never part of Israel.

            Israel occupied West Jerusalem in 1948. Israel occupied East Jerusalem in 1967 after it invaded Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. Acquiring territory by force of war is illegal under international law and Israel has never legally annexed any territory outside the boundaries of its declared sovereignty.

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          • Gustav

            ISI:”Jerusalem was never part of Israel.”

            Jerusalem was part of Israel before the Palestinian Arabs even left Arabia.

            Jerusalem was the capital of the Jewish nation since king David. One does NOT even need to resort to the bible which I am sure you don’t believe in. But plenty of archeological evidence exists to support that fact.

            ISI:”Israel occupied West Jerusalem in 1948.”

            Really? How can a country “occupy” a city filled with it’s own people?

            ISI:”Israel occupied East Jerusalem in 1967 after it invaded Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.”

            Ah ok, I see another ill educated individual or more likely a pro Arab propagandist who gave himself a misleading alias.

            OK now educate yourself: In 1967, Egypt kicked out the UN peace keepers. It blocked of the straits of Tiran, it mobilized it’s army, lined it up around Israel’s 1967 boundaries, it openly declared it’s intention destroy Israel in the forthcoming battle. And as a starter, it sent in infiltrators to murder Israeli civilians. After a tense standoff of several weeks, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike and destroyed the Egyptian airforce and army. Israel was legally justified in doing so since had it not done so, Israel would have been destroyed because for starters, it’s economy would have collapsed because it’s citizen army could not stay mobilized for much longer because Israel’s industry ground to a halt.

            But demobilizing was not an option either because the armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan which lined up alongside the 1967 boundaries, would have invaded and taken over Israel without much of a fight.

            As for Jordan, Israel implored Jordan’s King Hussein not to get involved. But King Hussein was not able to withstand the pressure on him exerted by Egypt and attacked Israel. The rest is history.

            ISI:”Acquiring territory by force of war is illegal under international law and Israel has never legally annexed any territory outside the boundaries of its declared sovereignty.”

            Excuse me? Could you refresh everybody’s mind? How exactly did Jordan acquire East Jerusalem in 1948?

            Repeat after me, ISI. Yes, you can do it: Jordan acquired East Jerusalem by means of war in 1948. There were no Jordanians liveng in East Jerusalem at the time. Only Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs.

            So in 1967, after Jordan chose to ignore Israel’s request not to intervene in the war and instead attack, Israel had every right to take over East Jerusalem in a defensive war.

            And yes, Israel DID subsequently formally annexed East Jerusalem and thereby formally re-unite it with West Jerusalem. The two parts, East and West Jerusalem were ALWAYS united as a single city.

            That’s it ISI. What sorta revisionist pro Arab propaganda books have you been reading?

            Now one last thing ISI…

            Could you please tell me why you chose not to answer an earlier post of mine which was addressed to you?

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          • Gustav

            But you know what, ISI? Let’s simplify this discussion.

            You say Jerusalem is not part of Israel. Ok then, tell us please, Jerusalem is part of what country?

            …and maybe, just maybe you could justify your claim rather than just assert that it is so?

            Thank you in advance, ISI.

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          • Gustav

            Whatsa matter ISI? You have become shy? Don’t wanna play no more?

            “ISRAEL” he calls himself indeed. What a schtick. Reminds me of someone who pulls stunts like that all the time.

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