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Putting the Charlie Hebdo attack in context

The news from Paris hit like a punch to the stomach and to the heart. Ten employees of the satirical French magazine, Charlie Hebdo, were shot in cold blood for practicing freedom of expression. Two policemen were killed for trying to protect them. Eleven more were wounded. The killers screamed out Allahu Akbar. The thought that cartoonists and journalists can become anyone’s enemy, no matter how provocative and even racist their content, is outrageous.

The reactions and classifications were of course quick to pour in. Writing in The New YorkerAmy Davidson called it an attack on journalism everywhere:

This was an attack on a publication and a neighborhood, a country and its press, and on any journalist, in any city.

On Twitter, Jeffrey Goldberg called it “possibly the most direct attack by Islamists on Western ideals to date” and penned an article called “Europe is Under Siege.” The New York Times‘ Roger Cohen unleashed a rather visceral tweet:

 

To which Palestinian American writer and analyst Yousef Munayyer replied:

But there were also efforts on social media to contextualize the killings. For example, American novelist and LGBT activist Sarah Schulman wrote the following on her Facebook page:

The Paris murders are not about ‘Freedom of Speech’ but instead show how unabated racism, occupation, endless killings of Muslims in US wars in iraq and Afghanistan, the murders in Gaza, intense European racism against Muslims, including French laws limiting religious expression, the rise of the National Front- all of these have the consequence of producing violence. Cruelty has consequences and things happen for reasons. If we want to end this kind of terrorism we need to end the range of state terrorisms that create desperation and enforce apocalyptic responses. Of course people must be free to speak. All people.

In Israel, Channel 2 news analyst Arad Nir called it “France’s 9/11.” Prime Minister Netanyahu said of the attack that the “same extremist forces attacking Europe are attacking Israel. Israel stands by Europe – Europe should stand by Israel.” Netanyahu was clearly implying criticism of various European parliaments’ move to recognize Palestine in recent months. Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman used the incident to lump together the Islamic Movement in Israel, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, al-Qaeda and the Islamic State as all being exactly the same.

One reaction that caught my eye and I thought was an interesting perspective worth sharing was a Facebook status by a Palestinian citizen of Israel and Arabic teacher, Hanin Majadli. She wrote (my translation):

On the Charlie Hebdo attack:

I thought to open this post by condemning (as a Muslim) the terror attack that took place yesterday in France against a satirical newspaper that I don’t find funny, perhaps because I do not understand French humor. But that is not the point, and there is no justification for hurting or murdering anyone. It is psychotic. Let’s go back to me wanting to condemn the attack that was purportedly done in the name of Islam, my religion. It took me a minute to realize that I have nothing in common with the heinous murderers, and that their Islam is nothing like my Islam, but rather a problematic political Islam. So no condemnation. Just condolences and global hopelessness.

Majadli goes on to note that Israeli reactions included the predictable, sweeping comparisons between “Palestinian terror” and “Islamist terror.” She also adds that she read an Israeli commentator note that a rally in Paris Wednesday, in which thousands gathered in solidarity with the victims, included no chants of “death to Arabs” or “revenge,” nor did anyone say anything like “let’s see them suffer 60 years of it.”

I’m not sure exactly what I’m trying to say or if I’m trying to make any specific statement at all. I guess I just think it is important to consider the various responses to this vicious attack and pay attention to context. Even the most sick and awful situations always have context – they are not detached from time and circumstance.

We must remember that although free speech is absolutely crucial to any society that claims to be free and democratic, the line between free speech and incitement is often unclear. Furthermore, although Muslim extremists use Islam to promote a political ideology that kills those it disagrees with, from 2007-2011, between 82 percent and 97 percent of all victims of terrorism were Muslim.

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    1. Richard

      Context? Wow, you are a coward. You’re really going to write: “I’m not sure exactly what I’m trying to say or if I’m trying to make any specific statement at all.” ??!! Really??? You’re quoting crackpots like Schulman, who carry water for the terrorists, and you expect anyone reading this to believe you’re not in agreement with them? Pathetic. At least the ‘coming home to roost’ moral frauds like Schulman have the guts to say what they mean. You can try to dodge and weave, but reality is making complete fools out of people like you and Matt Seaton.

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      • Phil Fumble

        Richard, well said! That Schulman is a piece of shit who has done tremendous harm to her GL community.

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    2. Deborah1995

      This was a despicable act designed to instil fear into the people. It is an attack on freedom of speech. I didn’t really know much about Charlie Hebdo, and I am not sure about how I feel with regards to some of their covers. However, murder of this kind is completely unjustifiable. The free world must stand strong in the face of this barbarism, and people must regroup to show these terrorists that freedom always wins over oppression. You cannot go around shooting people into submission.

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    3. tomer

      French have a new intifada on their hands.

      Marine lePen is coming soon to a ville near you!

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      • Josh

        Yeah nuthead, Marine lePen is coming soon to a ville near you, Jew,
        After they’re finished with the muslims, they will turn on you again.
        That’s really the craziest part of all this islamophobe racism, that jews collaborate with european nazi parties all over, as long as they share the same hatred against muslims. And idiots like you believe that they are done with their antisemistism. Folls, absolute folos, you have no idea at all.

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        • שר ההיסטוריה

          We know that the radical right in Europe is racist and antisemitic in a disgusting way. But that judging from comments such as yours, the radical left is antisemitic as well.
          The radical left also worsheep fanataic Islamists, that are a threat to all western society, so for now we may make a strategic allience with the right wing- the deffenders of Europe.

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          • Josh

            Thanks for clarifying that you are nothing more than a nazi, your both main goal is to destroy the left. starting with hasbara smear bullshit.

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    4. Mikesailor

      I always find it interesting how morons like Richard and Tomer react to events such as this one. This type of violence to squelch speech is only used by those with no political or financial power. It is the tactic of the unsophisticated and ignorant. The sophisticated use the power of government, or of blatant financial power, to censor the messages and/or messengers they don’t like. We see an outpouring of oppobrium heaped upon these violent idiots and deservedly so. Yet, witness the dearth of condemnation in either Israeli or US media over the deaths of innocent civilians killed through action of US drones or Israeli “snipers”. Is it because we only condemn those we can stereotype as somehow below us in the pecking order? Or is it because the message is either approved by the powers-that-be or at least not disapproved by them. We self-censor lest we offend. For instance, everyone should disspprove of these murders and their murderers. And we should also condemn the actions of the Israelis who shoot children in the face, or use sniper tactics or other deadly force to kill the unarmed. So, mourn Mairav for ALL the innocents. It is only right and just.

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      • Richard

        So I guess you think Al Qaeda in Yemen isn’t spending the $$$ of some very wealthy Arabs? Stop being an imbecile.

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    5. Kolumn4

      What context? Several Muslim men decided, in the name of Islam, to massacre 12 people because of what they said, wrote and drew. This is not the first time this happened (see Theo Van Gogh for example). This is not the last time it will happen. Nor is it a marginal group of Muslims that believe that making fun of Islam should be outlawed and punished. It is a common demand among the mainstream Muslim groups in Europe. In this case you have two Muslims who took the law into their hands and did exactly that. They did it because there was no one in their community who would tell them that the freedom of speech is more important. Because among mainstream Muslims it isn’t. This is the context if you want some.

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      • Bryan

        Can we just extend the context to include the likes of Dr. Baruch Goldstein, and his supporters who believe “He gave his life for the people of Israel, its Torah and land.”

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        • Kolumn4

          Do you want to throw in the Reconquista and the Crusades in there too? You know, just for context you annoying little troll.

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          • Bryan

            Goldstein’s atrocity was only 20 years ago, not centuries ago. It dramatically and directly escalated tensions between Jews and Arabs, and is so similar to the Charlie Hebdo atrocity that it is very relevant. Fundamentalists on both sides have escalated and are escalating this conflict by mindless violence.

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          • Phil Fumble

            Bryan, you are so without a clue. I am glad you are old.

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          • Bryan

            So good to see Phil that you always have a logical factual basis with which to rebut those with whom you disagree and never have to resort to lame insults to defend your point of view.

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        • GilGamesh

          I don’t recall anyone except extremists on the fringe right wing trying to put context to Goldstein’s actions. Interesting to see all the excuses for these actions from those who claim to be progressive.

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          • Bryan

            That sounds like a remark from someone within the fringe right wing. However if you are truly a progressive please give us a defence of Goldstein’s actions.

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          • Phil Fumble

            Bryan. Stop carrying on about Goldstein. You are like a child.

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          • GilGamesh

            I wouldn’t defend Goldstein. I don’t understand those who claim to be on the left defending the CH and kosher market killers.

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          • Bryan

            A disgraceful accusation. The French terror atrocities have been widely condemned by people from the entire spectrum of opinion. Those who have remained silent on the matter have probably felt that the ritual condemnation of barbaric atrocities is unnecessary and does nothing to resolve the problem.

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    6. Tomer

      The reality – that any 6 year old person would grasp – is that the bulk* of the World’s Moslems are fanatical religious loons that are still stuck in the Middle Ages.

      * This does NOT mean all Moslems. I am sure there are several millions in certain pockets & regions scattered around the World. But that still leaves us about a billion religious nutters.

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      • andrew r

        There’s religious loons and there’s religious loons. Some can’t take offense to their prophet, and some think a 3000 year-old scroll is a real estate document. And killing people over that, too.

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        • These murderers represent Islam as much as Tomer, Pedro and other +972ubernationalists, the dead sociopath Meyer Kahane, the Hitler admirer Feiglin or even Habayit HaYehudi represent Judaism. In other words, they don’t. They insist the world believe that all Muslims or all Jews think as they do, have the same aspirations and desires and the same rabid racist ideology that has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism or Islam. They are phonies. They insist on incriminating every Muslim and every Jew in the world by claiming they alone speak for them. They want everyone’s hands to be dirty and therefore share in their criminality. It seems their collective desire is to be hated and reviled by the other, and at the same time claiming they are victims of unjustified and unsubstantiated hatred, i.e., antisemitism. It’s way past time to stop calling them Islamofascists or Jewist fascists and just call them what they are, criminals.

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      • Bryan

        Tomer – do tell us which Moslem countries you have lived in and which you have travelled extensively within in order to come to this conclusion. And of your Moslem friends and neighbours how many are fanatical religious loons stuck in the Middle Ages?

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    7. Brian

      Those secretly exulting here today, on whatever level, in the carnage in Paris should read every word of Gidi Weitz’s lengthy interview of Ehud Barak in Haaretz today (“Former PM Barak: Netanyahu leading Israel to disaster”). Whatever his flaws, and I carry no water for him, at least Barak is clear-minded and far-sighted and rational, relentlessly rational. (And not too much invested in ruling over others. Without the manor of a master. He actually seems too secure and self-contained and self confident for that.) You will not like what he says about those who wrap themselves in self righteousness, but it will pull you back down to earth. If you have any ability to shed your thick wrappings of self justification and accept responsibility, that is. Doubtful for some of you but maybe not all. Maybe. As Barak says near the end of the interview, “No one deceived me and no one manipulated me, and I am not bitter and I don’t have that obsession. I am very quiet. I don’t feel any dissonance. People say, ‘You failed, you were dumped.’ All the choices were made by me.”

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    8. Ginger Eis

      Ms. Zonszein,

      Je suis Charlie! Et vous?

      You see, Ms. Zonszein, today, it is Hebdo Charlie. Tomorrow, it could be anybody, including – G-d forbid – you, and anyone who then tries to provide “context” would be insane! What goes around comes around, says an old American adage, and the chickens will always come home to roost. While you ponder that, do not fail to factor in you ruminations and cogitations a man called Frank Gardner. He used to be a “senior” BBC journalist reporting from Israel. Like you, he was a leftist apologist for Islamic terrorism and (mass) murders! During the second intifada, he was busy rationalizing and providing “context” for Muslim-Arab suicide bombers who were murdering innocent Israelis in Israel and ambushing of innocent Jewish motorists with Kalashnikovs on the highways in Judea & Samaria until the same Muslim Arabs finally put him in his place. Today Mr. Frank Gardner is wheelchair-bound, unable to help himself and now understands – like Israeli victims of terrorism – that terrorism is cancer without “context”. Indeed, what went around came around. Indeed, the chickens did come home to roost.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIYF6rg5uPQ

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      • Bryan

        Ginger – did we not see exactly the same phenomenon during the witchcraft trials of the early modern era, when a fear that you might be the next victim of evil forces led to the execution of tens of thousands of innocent women (mostly) as society was gripped by moral panic and mass hysteria? And did we not later see a similar witch-hunt in the USA, post-WWII, when the powers that be asserted that a massive conspiracy was attempting to subvert social life? And did we not see a crazed invocation of yellow hordes of slitty-eyed people who would take over the world, but instead contented themselves with manufacturing our plastic toys and cheap cars? And did we not also see worse than a witch-hunt when fascists in Europe constructed a bogey-man of a Jewish conspiracy to seize wealth and destroy Arian society? Do not some of these examples suggest that powerful political forces are adept at creating scape-goats that reinforce and augment their power, and now you wish to be a cheer-leader or useful idiot in that project.

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    9. Ben Zakkai

      One of the modern Left’s existential problems — perhaps the key ideological error that portends its collapse — is its “politically correct” refusal to acknowledge the existence and consequences of certain group characteristics in the world today. For example, on the Left, one may condemn Israel’s dehumanization and dispossession of Palestinians, but if one proceeds further by linking such Israeli conduct to Jewish cultural flaws that encourage excessive tribalism and greed, then one must be condemned as an anti-Semite, silenced and punished. Similarly, one may condemn acts of terror like the Charlie Hebdo attack, but if one proceeds to point out that such attacks receive impetus and broad support from a global Islamic culture that approves of violent suppression of dissent and non-conformity, then one must be labelled an Islamophobe and thrown out of the salon. And of course idiots like Sarah Schulman will blame Islamic terror entirely on US wars and other Western sins without pausing to wonder why similar Western transgressions in Southeast Asia and Central America didn’t spur a team of Thais or Costa Ricans to fly jetliners into the World Trade Centers; and everyday Muslims like Hanin Majadli will steadfastly refuse to recognize the cultural and ideological links between their Islam and that of the Charlie Hebdo killers. It is true that Netanyahu and his ilk misuse the spectre of Islamofascism to justify Israel’s murderous theft of Palestine while delegitimizing all Palestinian resistance thereto; but that doesn’t mean that Islamofascism can be ignored or wished out of existence. There is something very rotten in the state of Islam today.

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      • Brian

        Nice statement. Nicely put. Intelligent and nuanced. I agree with all of it. It’s possible to have an intelligent dialogue with you in which real problems are tackled. With realism and in good faith. Contrast your statement to knuckle-dragging comments like this: “Any- and everywhere there are Muslims, there is always….”

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      • Bryan

        Just one flaw in your argument, Ben Zakkai, and that is outlandish generalisation. If I were to say there was something rotten in the state of Judaism – you would rightly respond that there is no state of Judaism or even state of the Jewish people, that Judaism is not a centralized, hierarchical religion, and sometimes not even a religion at all, but simply a form of culture and identity. You would rightly point out that not all Jews are implicated in the Gaza slaughter, and most Jews worldwide simply want to live in justice and peace with their neighbours. If I were to say that there was something wrong with the state of Christianity with its attacks on abortion practitioners, blatant homophobia and oppression of women, and unquestioning support of Israel, you would rightly argue that Christianity is as diverse as any religion, ranging from peace-loving Quakers to war-mongering Christian Zionists, and that many who admit to being Christians are not religious but simply share a common mythology and culture, like celebrating Christmas and Easter as public holidays when they can eat ritual foods and attend great sporting fixtures. Islam is of course similar, with many of its “adherents” respecting rites of circumcision, respecting the call to prayer, but not necessarily attending, respecting Ramadan but not necessarily rigorously fasting and abstaining from sex, alcohol and cigarettes.

        Every world religion, without exception, contains such diversity between progressives and fundamentalists that generalisation about each religion is impossible (and even we atheists are a pretty diverse bunch).

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        • Ben Zakkai

          Actually I wouldn’t respond as you predict. The fact that exceptions to, and qualifications of, generalizations must be recognized, does not rob those generalizations of their explanatory power. And how I wish you were correct in asserting that progressive Jews don’t ignore or condone Israeli abuses; tragically, most of them manage to be progressive about everything but Palestine.

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          • Bryan

            I agree that generalization can be useful and inevitably every generalization is marred by exceptions and contradictions. What I was pointing out was that your generalisation (“There is something very rotten in the state of Islam today” was wrong on two counts: (1) there is no “state” of Islam, it comes in many shapes and sizes, and (2) criticisms that might be made about the popular conception of Islam can equally be made of fundamentalism in every religious guise.

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      • Kolumn4

        I don’t have a fundamental problem with what you wrote.

        I don’t agree with what you try to classify as Jewish cultural flaws because I don’t think these are Jewish cultural traits (greed, tribalism), but human ones, and not really flaws. There are certainly cultural factors that contribute to Israeli behavior that have their origins in Jewish thought/history and these are legitimate grounds for a conversation. For example it would be hard to argue that Zionism is not at its core based on a Jewish religious belief that Israel is the holy land, that it is the homeland of the Jewish people, and that the Jews have an exclusive right to it. Likewise Zionism uses the ambiguous nature of the Judaic definition of Jews to support its definition of Jews as an ethnic group or a nation and not just a religious group. And certainly Jews carry massive amounts of historical trauma that has an impact on Israeli/Jewish estimates of risk and reward.

        Likewise it should be legitimate to discuss Islamofascism within the context of the Islamic texts that it uses to justify itself and the popular support it receives for its underlying principles from a wide section of the Muslim world. It is a travesty that one can not mention that there is no freedom of speech when it comes to Islam in any part of the Muslim world without being called an Islamophobe. And it is fundamentally wrong that one is forced to pretend that these killers are somehow crazy and are somehow exceptional and can not be used as a basis for discussion on the faults of the dominant Islamic paradigm when there are thousands of European-born Islamists currently fighting for IS in Syria and Iraq.

        It should also be pointed out that Netanyahu is correct in stating that in the battle against Islamofascism Israel is certainly on the side of those that fight it and that significant parts of the Palestinian “resistance” to Israel is based on the same Islamofascist ideology that is targeting Europe right now. By trying to ignore what Netanyahu is saying you are also guilty of trying to ignore and wish out of existence the aspects of Islamofascism that are inconvenient for you to deal with.

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        • Ben Zakkai

          Of course greed and tribalism are human flaws, but my experience has taught me that we Jews, on average, are unfortunately above average in the quantities of those qualities that we possess. You may disagree and even assert that unlike other groups, we Jews possess no negative general characteristics, but if you do it’ll only prove that you’re blinded by Jewish tribalism. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

          And of course there is Islamofascism in Palestine — I didn’t deny that — I only stated that Netanyahu et al. play that card dishonestly to justify Israeli robbery and tyranny, which is undeniably true.

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          • Ginger Eis

            Mr. “Ben Zakkai”, here you go again demonstrating before the whole world what bigoted, racist anti-Semites you are (with never any new ideas!), even as you claim, and I repeat CLAIM, that YOU are Jewish. Now, Ben Zakkai,

            a. What constitutes “greed”
            b. What constitutes “tribalism”
            c. How are Jews more “greedy” and “tribalistic” than others, you little piece of shit?

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          • Brian

            Uh oh. It’s Monty Python’s Argument Clinic all over again…. Of course, Eis makes your point (about being blinded by Jewish tribalism) all over again, Ben, with her implicit claim, and I repeat CLAIM!, that we Jews could never think like YOU do.

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          • Ben Zakkai

            Brian, I was browsing at the sex toy shoppe on Emek Rephaim, and I found a Naftali Bennett vibrator for Ginger! It’s incredibly lifelike, with raised stars of David on either side for added stimulation, and since it’s long and wide enough to accommodate the four D Energizer batteries by which it’s powered, that should give her All The Naftali She’ll Ever Need. I hid it inside a cut-out copy of Masechet Niddah — you know, the way the hero in Shawshank concealed his rock hammer in a Holy Bible — and mailed it to Ginger in a plain brown wrapper, so I hope it gets past the security personnel at the asylum where she lives. Ginger honey, just don’t use it in the bathtub…

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          • Bryan

            Brilliant Ben. There are many put-downs employed on this site but most are crude insults, and none as amusing as yours.

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          • Theodore

            Ben Zakkai, Ginger struck a nerve there and got you rattled and ruffed-up, didn’t she? And the best you can do is to go off the rails and start ranting about your sexual fantasies for Ginger, telling everyone that something is seriously wrong in your personal life and how messed-up you are? Brian has that problem also, you know. Oh boy….

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          • Ben Zakkai

            If you can’t be right about anything, couldn’t you at least be amusing?

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          • Daniel

            Ben Zakkai, I think Ginger got you yet again. Ginger’s main tactic is to make her opponents come across as stupid and crazy, and, to my bewilderment, she has had much success with that so far. That tactic should have been obvious to you long ago, Ben Zakkai. But with your incomprehensible sexual screed, you keep letting Ginger make you look stupid – and, this time crazed. Not impressive at all, Ben Zakkai. Try a different approach.

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          • Ben Zakkai

            Ginger has had much success? You and I must have very different definitions of “success.” To my mind she’s perhaps the most venomous, hysterical and visibly psychotic 972 commenters on her side of the ideological divide, and if I was one of the (relatively speaking) more sober and reasonable Israel boosters commenting here, I’d be cringing with embarrassment after every one of her comments, praying for her to go away and stop sullying my cause. But hey, there’s no accounting for (your) taste.

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          • Daniel

            Ben Zakkai, are you projecting, perhaps? You are still coming across as enraged, “hysterical”, “visibly psychotic” and unreasonable, and your sexual screed against Ginger says a lot about “your taste”. Ginger clearly has you acting like you lost your mind. And your constant polemics and diatribes about Jewish “greed” and how “Jews in Israel, supported by their co-religionists abroad, have proven themselves eager and adept at murdering, maiming and torturing in the name of God…” aren’t helping you either. I suggest you take a break for some deep reflection, if you are capable of doing that. It is only a suggestion, but the choice is always yours. No bad feelings on this side.

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          • Ben Zakkai

            Daniel, there’s only one thing wrong with your condescending pose: the things I say here are relevant and true. You, on the other hand, have yet to express an opinion on any substantive issue. What’s your function here?

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          • Theodore

            When you think that Ben Zakkai can’t fall any lower, he proves that he is endlessly deranged. Boy, I was pleasantly blown away by his sexual rants on Ginger who got him rattled and ruffed-up. The bolts and screws are really coming off of his head and he doesn’t know when to quit. Ben Zakkai, “the things” you “say here are” ‘false’, ‘irrelevant’ and have no “substance”! Get that straight and stop fooling around with sexual rhetorics, sexism, bigotry and anti-Semitism.

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          • Ben Zakkai

            Hmmm. Suddenly, “Theodore” and “Daniel” pop up from nowhere with a pretty puerile tag team routine. I smell paid Hasbara hacks. Yawn.

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          • Theodore

            “Ben Zakkai”, everybody is a “Hasbara hack” except “Ben Zakkai” and his sexual fantasies of Ginger and anti-Semitic rants. Oh boy….

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          • Bryan

            Let’s reject the accusation of “greed” which appears to be pretty widely shared in many cultures and societies, and also note the many, many Jews who have been active and dedicated fighters for equality and social justice. Let’s just say that a small minority of Jews, concentrated (for historic reasons) in banking and financial speculation have been spectacularly successful in accumulating wealth (though not necessarily more so than gentile members of the 0.1%). Some have also often been spectacularly generous in disbursing their cash in what they see as altruistic and philanthropic purposes (though buying Senators is not to everyone’s taste).

            However as to the charge of “tribalism” there is a significant group of Jews who rejected the universalism that was the legacy of the Jewish enlightenment and (possibly for plausible historic reasons) attempted to establish an ethnocracy purged of alien elements. I defy you to cite any cult in the modern Western world apart from Zionism and Fascism) that has invested so much effort in transfer, ethnic cleansing, home demolition, discriminatory legislation privileging the tribe, and so readily and enthusiastically adopts slogans such as “Death to Arabs” or treats asylum-seekers with such contempt or dwells so perversely on demographic problems. I think you might find Reuven Rivlin disagrees with you. (“The Israeli Arabs are our only bridge to peaceful co-existence and we are failing to maintain it…. In my opinion, their statement (40 government employed rabbis calling for BDS against Arab tenants) shames the Jewish people. If such a thing were said in relation to Jews anywhere on the globe, a hue and cry would be raised in Israel on the need to stand up against anti-Semitism…. Israeli society is sick and it is our duty to treat this disease”

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          • Ben Zakkai

            Bryan, a reply to your comments: you are kinder and more apologetic than I in describing the accumulation and uses of Jewish wealth. The sight of Adelson and his peers buying presidential candidates, congressional resolutions and UN vetoes to enable Israel to keep Palestinians face down in the mud, is more than I can stand; and if some day Americans react unpleasantly to their politics being hijacked by a rich minority for the sake of a rogue foreign regime, oh the cries of antisemitism we shall hear from ADL-minded folks! As for religious violence, taking Christianity first, we’re no longer in the times of Inquisition and Thirty Years’ War, and I see nothing remotely comparable to the scale of the fundamentalist and/or sectarian Islamic violence raging in the Middle and Near East, Africa, Europe and America, even the Far East, which is connected by common threads and does indeed say something about Islam in the world today, all your distinctions notwithstanding. Jewish violence, on the other hand, may be more comparable to the Islamic variety today; Jews in Israel, supported by their co-religionists abroad, have proven themselves eager and adept at murdering, maiming and torturing in the name of God and/or The Tribe.

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    10. Ben Zakkai

      Thanks Brian, very much. I was pretty sure that I was going to anger EVERYBODY with my last comment. You have a good day too; I like your comments as well. PS thanks also for the pointer to that Barak interview, which was very interesting too.

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      • Theodore

        You sound desperate and are seeking comfort after an obvious blunder in which you revealed your true racist colors, Ben Zakkai!

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        • Ben Zakkai

          My greatest comfort is ad hominem attacks from people like you.

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    11. Tony Riley

      I see that Larry Derfner’s nutty but definitely not Jew-hating, absolutely not sir, buddy, Greta Berlin, believes that Hebdo was a Mossad “False Flag” operation.

      Any thoughts, Larry?

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      • Sure Tony. I ripped the shit out of that view in FB comments on Wednesday, the day of the murders, before Berlin’s remark came to light.

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        • Richard

          But this shows you are a terrible judge of character. Berlin’s crackpot mindset was obvious when you stuck up for her.

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          • Phil Fumble

            Good call Richard. Both Greta and that other grotesque cow Mary came out with these outrageous comments. Instead of humbly,apologizing in shame, they continue to spout more nonsense and hatred.

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    12. BOOZ

      Pour une fois, je vais poster en français (ma langue maternelle) sur ce site.

      Mairav, pendant que vous demandez (oh ! avec quel scrupule!) qu’on “contextualise”, EN CE MOMENT MEME, à la Porte de Vincennes, un complice des tueurs de Charlie Hebdo a pris en otages un supermarché casher avec au moins 5 clients (dont des femmes et des enfants) dedans.

      Alors, votre délicatesse d’extrême gauche, vous comprendrez en ce moment que je n’en ai rien à f…..

      Je ne me laisserai pas aller à une telle extrémité, mais je ne blâmerai aucun Juif français en 2017 si il (elle) vote pour Marine le Pen à la présidentielle.

      Je ne voudrais pas terminer ce post sans rendre hommage, dans l’équipe de Charlie Hebdo, à Bernard Maris, le seul économiste encore keynesién qui ne répétait pas comme un perroquet le discours de la mondialisation ultra-libérale.

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      • michou

        Bravo.
        Je suis Charlie

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    13. DHMCarver

      If you truly think “the line between free speech and incitement is often unclear,” then you don’t know anything about free speech. (I have read your pieces here for years, and always look forward to them — this one was a bitter disappointment.)

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    14. Bruce Gould

      Information: todays New York Times, Jan 9, page A10: M. Steven Fish, a political scientist at U of C Berkeley, sought to quantify the correlation between Islam and violence. In his book “Are Muslims Distinctive?” he found that murder rates were substantially lower in Muslim majority countries and instances of political violence were no more frequent…almost all [high csualty terrorist bombings] were concentrated in just a handful of Muslim majority countries in the context of larger conflicts that were occuring…”Is Islam violent? I would say absolutely not,” Mr Fish said in an interview.

      I also recall that within living memory Christian Europeans were slaughtering each other by the tens of millions.

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      • Kolumn4

        And yet I don’t see much controversy when Nazism, Communism and Nationalism are considered violent ideologies that caused the slaughter of millions. Individuals acting in the name of Islamic ideology are committing spectacular acts of intolerance and violence in our time. So what is different here that we shouldn’t likewise consider Islamic ideology as it is currently expressed to be part of the problem?

        Notice that the author you mention decided to use murder rates to judge violence among Muslims as if the violence that is done in the name of Islam is random and all are equally vulnerable. Common murder rates were also very low in Nazi Germany, so I suppose that means that Nazis were not violent either. I can continue by stating that where Nazi violence did occur it was concentrated in a handful of countries in the context of larger conflicts that were occurring.

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    15. Phil Fumble

      I was beyond sick to see,that fat, ugly,cow Mary Hughes Thompson blame the attacks on the Mossad.

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    16. YellowMongol

      Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons are polemic, unsophisticated and offensive for the sake of being offensive. The cartoons provide no insight or witty analysis, but reflect an adolescent fascination with smutty images and garnering attention by trying to offend as many people as possible.

      Self-righteous, unapologetically confrontational, and firm believers in never backing down, it’s little wonder the artists of Charlie Hebdo attracted the attention of extremists with similar values. It’s as though the purpose of Charlie Hebdo is to stare down and enrage as many extremists as possible; the more extreme the better.

      The best possible outcome would be an exchange of angry words. The worst possible outcome has already come to pass. It’s difficult to argue that any of these outcomes made the world a better place, but merely provided a forum for people with mutual dislikes to spit their vitriol at one another.

      Freedom of speech is a great human freedom but it’s a legal principle, not one of the immutable law of physics. What actually protects your right of freedom of speech is the other person you’re talking to. If your freedom of speech is violated by another person, you’ll suffer the consequences and the legal system is powerless to do anything except clean up the mess after it happens, assuming the case even makes it to court. If freedom of speech is an absolute right, I should be able to walk up to anyone on the street and tell them how great it was to screw their wife last night. It wouldn’t surprise anyone if I eventually ended up in hospital and the legal system would have provided zero protection from that fist hitting my face. Legally speaking my freedom of speech was violated: it is my legal right to walk up to anyone and tell them how great it was to screw their wife and what our favourite position was. Practically speaking, I was behaving like a jerk who was looking for trouble and relying on an abstract legal principle to protect me from the actions of another person reacting to my words was wishful thinking. That’s simply not how people or the world works, whatever the law may say about the matter. If that wasn’t true, robberies and murders would never happen because they’re against the law.

      Nor is freedom of speech an unlimited right. If I drew cartoons which trivialised the Holocaust or questioned its validity, most of us would agree this would be an abuse of my freedom of speech and should not be allowed.

      This is why I disagree that the murder of those twelve people in Paris had anything to do with freedom of speech. Those people never deserved to be shot in cold blood by a pair of extremists. But that doesn’t mean that those twelve people were martyrs to the cause of free speech, although they themselves probably thought of themselves in that way. They were the creators of a divisive and hate-filled publication who were brutally murdered by a pair of lunatics. But that what happens when you bait extremists, one day someone might take the bait and you may be surprised to learn that the extremists are willing to go to greater lengths than you thought possible to make their point. And for what reward? To prove to yourself that you’re tough enough to stare the rest of the world down and say whatever you like? Being able to mouth off however you like is a nice idea but it’s not how the people or the world works. Trying to prove otherwise is a fruitless endeavour and a moot point, especially if you’re dead.

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      • Ben Zakkai

        You make some interesting and valid points but also conflate some issues. I’m not very familiar with Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons. Certainly the traditional core legal protection of freedom of speech, which limits the government’s power to censor expression, is not implicated here. But even if Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons were all uselessly provocative garbage, Islamofascists have many times proven themselves willing to employ violence to silence many other valuable, constructive and legitimate forms of expression. Even one who isn’t a Charlie Hebdo fan wouldn’t want Islamofascists deciding what he’s allowed to say. That’s why this issue resonates.

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    17. Brian

      All of you emulating Bibi on 9-11*, the world is not buying in:

      New York Times:

      “For years we’ve been watching the international community get worked up about terrorism in every part of the world except in Israel,” Mr. Halevi added. “You’ll hear world leaders condemn Islamist terrorism from Indonesia to London, but Jerusalem somehow doesn’t get mentioned. It’s as if we deserve it, as if we’ve brought this on ourselves.” [Um, get a clue, Halevi. Actually, stop pretending you don’t have a clue, Halevi]

      Indeed, many Palestinians and their supporters argue that aggression against Israel is part of a continuing war and thus distinct from terrorism targeting civilians elsewhere. Even those who renounce violence generally see Israeli policies, rather than the “clash of civilizations” Mr. Netanyahu talks about….

      Anshel Pfeffer, a columnist for the left-leaning Israeli daily Haaretz, said the terrorism in France might well ease international pressure on Israel, if only because European leaders will be distracted by their own urgent challenges. But if the attacks, especially Friday’s targeting of the kosher supermarket, underline “Israel’s justification for its existence,” Mr. Pfeffer said in an interview, Israeli hopes that this will “quote, bring Europe to its senses, unquote, and realize that Israel is just an outpost in this wider struggle” are unrealistic.

      “What a lot of Israelis don’t realize is the way Western Europeans see the Palestinian-Israel conflict,” said Mr. Pfeffer, who splits his time between Jerusalem and London and writes frequently about Europe. “They don’t see it as some kind of struggle between Islam and the West; they see it as a kind of unjust occupation of Palestinian territory.”

      Palestinian leaders, too, responded quickly to Wednesday’s murders in Paris. President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority sent his own telegram to President François Hollande of France denouncing “these heinous crimes, condemned by morality and religion.” Mustafa Barghouti, secretary general of the Palestinian National Initiative, declared that the attack “does not represent Islam or Muslim culture” and sided squarely with the victims.

      ______________________________
      * “It’s very good…well, it’s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel.”

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      • Again I think it’s way past the time that we stop buying into the bullshit that these murderers represent Islam. F*cking ridiculous. That’s just a handy, quick and easy way to blame an entire group of people (billions?) for the actions of a few. That’s not the logic of a supposedly more enlightened populace, who for the most part no longer believe in witches or other folklore of the horrible middle ages. Why would so many Jews jump on the “kill the Arabs”, “Islam is a culture of death” bandwagon, incriminating millions of people for the crimes of a few? How does that irony escape the minds of people on Yom HaShoah, that the same language and hatred used against their dead is constantly in use against Muslims? And the hateful, horrible “people” who want to somehow tie Charlie Hebdo to Palestinians? Hatred is ugly and deadly and it is especially loathsome when it comes from the mouths of people who have ancestors killed by nazis, but have no problem with that particularly ideology as long as it isn’t used on Jews.

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        • Phil Fumble

          If Marnies opinion is true, it would mean that the Kosher store was chosen at random. She how stupid/bigoted she is?

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    18. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/je-suis-charlie-demonstrations-paris-massacre

      People Around the World Are
      Pouring Into the Streets to Support Charlie Hebdo After the Paris Massacre

      These maps and photos capture the defiant response.

      Dozens of demonstrations have been developing around the world in the wake of Wednesday’s massacre in Paris at the offices of the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, where masked gunmen murdered 12 and injured 10 others. French newspaper Le Monde is tracking the growing number of rallies, including those in Berlin, London, New York, and Montreal.

      In Paris on Wednesday evening, a crowd reportedly numbering in the thousands gathered at Place de la Republique, rallying in solidarity around the phrase “Je Suis Charlie,” or “I am Charlie.” Some raised pens in tribute to the slain cartoonists.

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      • ICat

        While you copy and paste, I will remind you that you support running Israelis over with cars and buses. How about that, you little hypocritical terrorist?

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        • Merav, again #2. You can say it 1000 times or 10k, and you probably will, but it makes it no more real or truthful than Santa Claus or leprechauns. Why don’t you and Sluggo/Phil Fumble crawl back into the sewer. Stalkers.

          Sluggo/Phil Fumble, you’ll say something extremely inappropriate again soon, as you inevitably do, and will get banned AGAIN. Low class low lifes. Fuck off already.

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          • ICat

            It is TRUE, here you go:

            “phil
            Thursday
            November 6, 2014
            The second attack clearly targeted occupation forces only..
            as such it is a legitimate act of resistance against an occupying military force.

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            • manic marnie
            Thursday
            November 6, 2014
            “The second attack clearly targeted occupation forces only..
            as such it is a legitimate act of resistance against an occupying military force.”

            Thanks for taking the time to post this.”

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          • Merav – you’ve now printed at least 5 times “You support running Israelis over with cars and buses” out of the blue with no context whatsoever. You pull up a post from 2 months ago, also with no context, but my response to Phil’s statement about an attack that “clearly targeted occupation forces only, as such it is a legitimate act of resistance to an occupying force”. Explain how this post fits your definition please. I just dont’ see where you’re coming from and I’d love to help you. You posted “you support running Israelis over with cars and buses”. Out of the blue. Like a crazed Chicken Little. You explain yourself. You are either brain damaged or just the garden variety +972 pathological liar or you don’t understand English very well, because what you claim and what I wrote are not even in the same ball park. Is this the way it’s going to be with you? Looking for my posts, then posting this libel? I guess you’re going for the 10K. Enjoy yourself.

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          • ICat

            What you said is there for everyone to read, sick-o! You support running Israelis over with cars and buses. Maybe you would like to explain yourself who according to you should be run over with cars and buses and provide your context, you little terrorist. You also support wiping Israel off the map, but that’s a discussion for another time. Wait for it…

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    19. Ginger Eis

      Ms Zonszein,

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-terror-wave-french-jews-feel-danger-isolation/

      Across Israel and the entire Jewish World, there is immense hurt and sorrow because of the trials and tribulations of our brothers and sisters who are being singled out and murdered in Europe, because they are Jews. Many families (including mine) have held their private Kaddish for those who were brutally murdered and my parents have already left to join the ceremonies and demonstrations in France. Our brothers and sisters in Europe are once again living in fear and panic and the calls for them to Return to the Land Of Israel is getting louder and louder. The least +972mag could this in these dry, sorrowful times is to put politics aside and pay homage to the dead here on +972mag – unless doing so is bad for business. I am very heavy hearted today and the photo in this link above reflects exactly how I feel at the moment. This is the much I have got to say. Bye, folks.

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      • Ginger Eis

        “The least +972mag could do in these dry, sorrowful times is to…..” (was meant)

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      • Brian

        The Palestinian leadership stands with us:

        Palestinian leaders, too, responded quickly to Wednesday’s murders in Paris. President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority sent his own telegram to President François Hollande of France denouncing “these heinous crimes, condemned by morality and religion.” Mustafa Barghouti, secretary general of the Palestinian National Initiative, declared that the attack “does not represent Islam or Muslim culture” and sided squarely with the victims.

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      • Bryan

        This girl has just attempted to repudiate Jewish tribalism and then comes up with a statement like that – could you not have said “Across the entire World, there is immense hurt and sorrow because of the trials and tribulations of our brothers and sisters who are being murdered in Europe, because they are human beings”.

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        • Theodore

          Bryan, you said that you retired awhile ago and support yourself with your retirement pension. The age of retirement in the United States is 67. That means you must be in your 70s – i.e. an old man. Maybe you should stop following girls around, barking and seeking their attention on a comment section of blogs. I think Ginger has made clear to you and Brian that she will not accord your sexual obsession with her with any kind of response. Start respecting yourself, old man. Find something useful to do with what remains of your lonely life.

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          • Yvette

            Ah oui,that is where the sexual thing is, you obsessed with me. You probably last have girlfriend 20 years past. Or maybe never. Sad boy.

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          • Theodore

            Glad you finally found your “sexual thing” – nitwit.

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          • Yvette

            You should try not to think about it. It will just frustrate you more.

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          • Yvette

            Well if you can not stop thinking about it you will have to find relief however you can. But still it is probably best for you to try to stop thinking about it. It just will get you worked up. Try sad boy.

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        • Phil Fumble

          Bryan, but they were killed because they were Jews. If you are too stupid to figure it out, the terrorist said so himself. He targeted Jews.

          Why do you want to obscure that fact?

          You call buying Kosher food an act of tribalism? You really are an ignorant ass. And Jews do not have to listen to you.

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          • Bryan

            In a series of linked attacks in Paris “A total of 17 people were killed at four locations between 7 and 9 January, plus the three suspects”. Those killed came from a variety of backgrounds and included Ahmed Merabet, 42, a Muslim police officer of Algerian descent, Mustapha Ourad 60, of Algerian Muslim descent. Yet you magisterially state “they were killed because they were Jews”. That is true of one of the incidents but is blatantly untrue of the conspiracy as a whole. The violent death of innocent civilians is atrocious whether they are men or women, young or old, Jewish, Muslim, Christian or Atheist, so please let’s not respond in a tribalistic way.

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          • Phil Fumble

            No Bryan. They were targeted because they were Jewish

            And the terrorist who looks like the guy from Bubba Gump, he was planning to go to a Jewish school to kill Jewish children. And he had addresses of other Jewish institutions in his phone

            Even the head frog agrees that this is anti Semetic.

            Why are you lying to yourself?

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    20. Phil Fumble

      Shut up you babbling imbicle. The things that useful idiots say are starling

      Why must the bar for Palestinians be so friggin low? Are they all retarded?

      To paraphrase Chris Rock, he is supposed to criticize this act. Do you want to give him a cookie?

      Let’s see how he addresses the horrible attack against French Jews.

      Aside from this comment, Abbas has a history of glorifying and rewardimg terrorists, like much of his society

      Brian is a mere flea.

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      • Yvette

        “Shut up you babbling imbicle.”

        What are ya gonna do, break into his office and shoot him? Moron.

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        • Phil Fumble

          No, I will not do that because I am not a Muslim.

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          • Yvette

            Slug wakes up each night n says “another night, alone in my parents basement, another great opportunity to be a moron” LOL!

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          • Phil Fumble

            Lol! You are very stupid.

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        • I’ve come to the conclusion that hate speech is the mother tongue of many folks posting at +972. There’s so many other outlets for their language, but they choose to roost here because, God forbid there should be any space at all where Palestinians aren’t molested and murdered (in spirit). Palestine and Palestinians have nothing to do with these murders yet they are being dragged through the mud, along with the billion other Muslims in the world, for the criminal actions of the few. Mr. Abbas made a heartfelt statement of remorse and sorrow, as any statesman should. A Muslim man saved the lives of patrons at the kosher market. Muslims are killed more than any other group in the world today and lets not forget that here on this tiny little patch of dirt, on average one Palestinian is killed every 3 days and it appears to be acceptable. Where is the moral outrage from the world at these deaths, the anger, the demand that something be done about it? Another Muslim leader’s point of view:

          Hezbollah Leader Says Islamic Extremists Have Hurt Islam More Than Cartoonists by Jack Jenkins Posted on January 9, 2015 at 1:18 pm Updated: January 10, 2015 at 4:46 pm thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/09/3610080

          The head of a Lebanese Hezbollah group voiced harsh words for Islamic extremists today, saying the violent actions of some Muslim militants have hurt Islam more than the people they attack.

          According to the Associated Press, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah blasted religious terrorists while delivering a video address to followers in southern Beirut, saying that radicals have done more to disparage the Muslim prophet Muhammad than journalists who published satirical cartoons mocking Islam. The comments appeared to be an indirect reference to the recent shootings at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris, France.

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          • Phil Fumble

            Please, you have no independent thought. Only what is published on mondoweis

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      • Phil Fumble

        Yes, this man is a hero. No doubt about it

        Because you hold the bad so low for Muslims, this story surprises you.

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    21. “As the authorities in France worked on Saturday to piece together the sequence of events at a kosher supermarket in Paris where a gunman and four hostages were killed on Friday, there was an outpouring of praise online for a young employee credited with saving the lives of some customers by hiding them in a cold-storage room.

      The employee, Lassana Bathily, 24, was identified in the French news as a Muslim from Mali who worked at the supermarket, Hyper Cacher, near the Porte de Vincennes in eastern Paris.

      In an interview with the French channel BFMTV, Mr. Bathily said he ushered about 15 people into the basement room after the gunman burst into the shop. He then turned off the power and the lights.

      “We were locked in there,” he said. “I told them to calm down, not make any noise, or else if he hears that we’re there, he can come down and kill us.”
      Continue reading the main storyLassana Bathily, an employee of the Hyper Cacher market in Paris, described the hostage crisis in an interview on French television. BFMTV, via YouTube
      Later in the four-hour siege, Mr. Bathily decided to leave the room and try to escape through a freight elevator leading to the attic. He encouraged others to join him, he said, but they were worried that the gunman, identified by the police as Amedy Coulibaly, would be able to hear them if they used that escape route and decided to remain hidden.

      When Mr. Bathily escaped and emerged from the market while Mr. Coulibaly was still inside, he was ordered by the police to lie down and put his hands on his head. “I was a bit confused,” he told BFMTV, perhaps not having considered that he could have been mistaken for a militant.

      Video that appeared to show that scene unfolding was recorded by a witness from a service station near the market and posted on the website of the French broadcaster Europe 1.
      Continue reading the main storyVideo of a man being detained by the French police on Friday during a hostage crisis at a kosher market near Porte de Vincennes in Paris. Europe 1, via YouTube
      Mr. Bathily was then placed in handcuffs “for an hour and a half,” he said, but eventually was able to help the authorities plan their operation to liberate the hostages by describing the layout of the shop and assuring the police that they could safely break down the market’s front door without endangering the civilians inside.
      Continue reading the main storyVideo showing the police raid on a kosher market in Paris on Friday, ending a hostage siege and killing the gunman. France 2, via YouTube
      The customers hiding in the basement were also in contact with the police by telephone, Mr. Bathily said.

      When the people he had hidden came out at the end of the siege, Mr. Bathily said, “they congratulated me.”

      “They said, ‘Really, thanks for thinking of all these ideas.’ I said, ‘It’s nothing, it’s life.’ ”

      As news of his heroics spread on Saturday, there were numerous calls on social networks to reward him for his bravery with either the Legion of Honor, France’s highest award, or French citizenship.”

      While the “regulars” of +972 go on and on and on about Muslims, antisemitism, 24/7, this young man saved people’s lives. What an exceptional human being.

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      • ICat

        Instead of copying and pasting and blurting out a few words of how others saved others’ life, maybe you should start explaining why you support running Israelis over with cars and buses? Tell us which Israelis should be run over with cars and buses and provide your context.

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        • Hi again Merav. Sorry you don’t like cut and paste when someone else does it, but I don’t have anything new to add. Try reading this though.

          Merav – you’ve now printed at least 6 times “You support running Israelis over with cars and buses” out of the blue with no context whatsoever. You pull up a post from 2 months ago, also with no context, but my response to Phil’s statement about an attack that “clearly targeted occupation forces only, as such it is a legitimate act of resistance to an occupying force”. Explain how this post fits your definition please. I just dont’ see where you’re coming from and I’d love to help you. You posted “you support running Israelis over with cars and buses”. Out of the blue. Like a crazed Chicken Little. You explain yourself. You are either brain damaged or just the garden variety +972 pathological liar or you don’t understand English very well, because what you claim and what I wrote are not even in the same ball park. Is this the way it’s going to be with you? Looking for my posts, then posting this libel? I guess you’re going for the 10K. Enjoy yourself.

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          • ICat

            Riiigt! On the one hand you copy and paste what others wrote about how others saved others’ life (because you are not intelligent enough to create something of your own), but on the other hand you support running Israelis over with cars and buses, you little terrorist! I like your “defense”, genius, because you are saying exactly what what I need you to say.

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          • Merav, I really don’t understand what you’re talking about sweetie, but glad I could help. I’m still waiting for you to explain yourself. Again, sorry you don’t like cut and paste when someone else does it. Who feeds you your lines BTW? I’m guessing that calling me a “little terrorist” is replacing something else you used to call me, but actually I can’t remember all of them. I really don’t care how many times you do this Merav, but maybe eventually you’ll be able to explain yourself and we can move forward. In the meantime, I’ll just keep cutting and pasting because that’s all I can do. I’m just not as clever as with cut/paste as you. Here goes!

            Merav – you’ve now printed at least 8 times “You support running Israelis over with cars and buses” out of the blue with no context whatsoever. You pull up a post from 2 months ago, also with no context, but my response to Phil’s statement about an attack that “clearly targeted occupation forces only, as such it is a legitimate act of resistance to an occupying force”. Explain how this post fits your definition please. I just dont’ see where you’re coming from and I’d love to help you. You posted “you support running Israelis over with cars and buses”. Out of the blue. Like a crazed, delusional Chicken Little. You explain yourself. You are either brain damaged or just the garden variety +972 pathological liar or you don’t understand English very well, because what you claim and what I wrote are not even in the same ball park. Is this the way it’s going to be with you? Looking for my posts, then posting this libel? I guess you’re going for the 10K. Enjoy yourself.

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          • ICat

            You are desperately trying run away from your own terrorist comment, but you will not succeed, because what you said is there for everyone to read, sick-o. And the more you squirm and try to run, the more desperate you look! You support running Israelis over with cars and buses. If you disagree, tell us 1. which Israelis according to you should be run over with cars and buses and 2. which Israelis should not be run over with cars and buses. That should not be difficult, should it, little terrorist?

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          • I’m sorry but I will never, ever take you seriously, nor should anyone. Textbook terrorist? Did you drop acid or just smoke some crack? You shouldn’t be using big words you don’t understand. YOU cut and pasted my post to Phil from November 6. It wasn’t written in code, Colonel Klink. “Thanks for posting this”? You actually think you are in any position to question someone when you can’t even understand simple English?

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          • “There is no doubt that you are a nitwit, but no one is fooled by you playing stupid. Answer the questions.”

            Go fuck yourself.

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          • ICat

            You support running Israelis over with cars and buses. On the other thread you justified it with the claim that you support only running Israeli soldiers over with cars and buses. On this thread you play dumb and stupid and claim that it is all “confusing” for you. In your latest comment you are no longer playing dumb and stupid, but instead getting aggressive. But the question remains unanswered” and no one is fooled. So, let’s run the questions again through your thick skull: 1. which Israelis according to you should be run over with cars and buses and 2. which Israelis should not be run over. The answer should not be difficult, should it, you little terrorist”? Answer the questions then.

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    22. Guy L.

      Okay, I’m up for it.

      Let’s begin by placing Baruch Gildstein’s massacre in context, carry on by contextualizing Abu Khdeir’s murder (that’s the 14 year old kid that was burned alive, yes?) and the arson attack to the bi-lingual school in Jerusalem. I also think that if we all clap our hands together and focus, we can even put the occupation in context.
      And once wer’e done with this, we can all learn from Hanin Majadali, and not condemn any of these. Because after all, they do not represent my Judaism/Zionism/Isrealism. Their Zionism/whatever is not mine.They are a fanatic fringe group of lunatics. So no condemnation. Only hopelessness, sadness, and clicking of tongues.

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      • Ben Zakkai

        Yeah really, enough contextualizing already. Just as Jews of conscience must oppose Israel’s Occupation and even examine Jewish religion/culture critically to identify those aspects that encourage blind, cruel oppression and dispossession of Palestinians, so Muslims of conscience must identify and reform aspects of their religion/culture that encourage violent suppression of dissent. A person aspiring to integrity and intellectual honesty may not enjoy the benefits of group membership while ignoring darker characteristics of his collective. Sadly, it seems like Islam tolerates criticism even less than Judaism does; critics of Jewish abuses run the risk of being put out of work by influential money-men, but critics of Islam face death.

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      • Ben Zakkai

        Yeah, I agree, enough contextualizing already. Just as Jews must oppose Israel’s Occupation and even examine Jewish religion/culture critically to identify aspects that encourage blind, cruel oppression and dispossession of Palestinians, so Muslims must identify and oppose aspects of their religion/culture that encourage violent suppression of dissent. One who aspires to integrity and intellectual honesty may not accept the benefits of group membership while ignoring darker characteristics of his collective. Sadly, Muslims have an even bigger problem than Jews, in that criticism of Israel may get you fired from your job, but criticism of Islam can get you killed.

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        • Theodore

          Brian, I see that you are bored and feverishly searching for Jew-news everywhere, copying whatever you can find about Jews and pasting here. Maybe you should find a job, Brian, concentrate on making your own life and your own country better and stop this incomprehensible obsession with Jews that keeps you jobless. Your empty life will become better when you find a job and able to support yourself, you know?

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      • Phil Fumble

        Brian, it’s annoying how you treat the comments section like Twitter.

        Regardless, it figures that you admire a narsciscistic absolute fool like Silverstein. What did you find refreshing about his article? The fact that he blamed the victims?

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    23. Phil Fumble

      I agree with you. Brian treats the comment section here like his private Twitter feed. Totally inappropriate.

      I can imagine what his grindr profile looks like.

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    24. Who left the damn sock drawer open? There’s puppets everywhere.

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      • Phil Fumble

        Why, it’s Annie/Marnie! Why,don’t you tell us how Hamas never used human shields?

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        • Hey Sluggo – go fuck yourself too!

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      • ICat

        This sick-o has started “hearing voices” and “seeing things” again, and needs her meds. Pls. call the shrink.

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    25. Don’t project your mental illness on me Merav. This is a web site hon, “seeing” and “hearing” things isn’t part of the 972 experience, at least for me. And again, what are you, 12?

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      • ICat

        More mumbo jumbo from a visibly disturbed individual. Hilarious.

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        • Visibly disturbed Merav? Hallucinations, both visual and auditory, are very common among crack heads. You need to get off that pipe girl and pray for salvation.

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          • ICat

            “Marnie
            Sunday
            January 11, 2015
            Who left the damn sock drawer open? There’s puppets everywhere.”

            What are you ranting about there, crack head? Are you not “hearing voices”, “seeing things” and hallucinating, there? How about your comments here on +972 in which you write about “handjobs” and “blowjobs” and “lubricants” and “jerkoff” and “pornography”? Should I post those comments for everyone to read? You are one messed up terrorist crack head. Go take your meds, sick-o! Seriously.

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          • ICat

            “Marnie
            Sunday
            January 11, 2015
            Who left the damn sock drawer open? There’s puppets everywhere.”

            Tell us, what are you ranting about there? Are you not “hearing voices”, “seeing things” and hallucinating, there? How about your comments here on +972 in which you write and discuss in details about handjobs and blowjobs and jerk-off and pornography? Should I post those comments for everyone to read? You are one messed up terrorist crack head. Go take your meds, sick-o! Seriously.

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          • Oh no, not that. Anything but that. Don’t repost my original posts that included such shocking material as LUBRICANTS, JERKING OFF, HAND JOBS and BLOW JOBS! Not that. Oh my. I had no idea this was a public forum when I posted them so everyone who wanted to could read them (obviously some more than others eh Merav!) Whatever.

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    26. Victor Arajs

      All these comments are ignoring the fact that 972 mag could have prevented these attacks if it had protested Islamophobia more intensely in France. Where are the condemnations of Charlie Hebdo in the 972 archive?

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    27. Theodore

      Nooooh, Marnie. I am not married yet – too young for that. I have space for your services – need some great “blowjobs”, “hand jobs” here. Can I get your number now?

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