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Police besiege, arrest activists planning to commemorate Nakba

Some 15 activists from the organization Zochrot were besieged by police on Wednesday night in the NGO’s offices, in order to prevent them from quietly commemorating the Palestinian Nakba on Israeli Independence Day. Three were arrested for reading aloud names of destroyed villages.

Activist arrested while reading names of Palestinian villages (Activestills)

Activist arrested while reading names of Palestinian villages (Activestills)

Reports started flowing in at around 22:30 p.m. through text messages and phone calls. Some 15 activists from Zochrot (“Remembering”), an Israeli NGO dedicated to preserving the memory the Palestinian Nakba (catastrophe) among the Hebrew-speaking public, had gathered in the group’s offices on Ibn Gabirol Street in central Tel Aviv. They were planning a quiet symbolic action entailing placing placards with the names of villages demolished in the 1948 war on the ground in Rabin Square, the epicenter of Independence Day festivities. Actions very much like it have been carried out by the group every year on the same day for at least seven years.

The siege fences around Zochrot activists (Activestills)

Police fences during the siege of the Zochrot office (Activestills)

However, this time the activists were surprised to see riot police forces building up a barricade around the building while they were inside. When they tried to leave for their quiet ceremony, activists were told by high ranking officers on the site that they are forbidden to do so, and that anyone trying to skip over the fences would be immediately arrested. “They said their goal was to prevent us from disturbing the peace,” says Liat Rosenberg, Zochrot director. “We were held captive for about four hours, and were told we could only leave if each and every one of us shows an ID, turns in all [protest-related] materials, and goes through an interrogation and a physical search. Attorney Gabi Lasky told police that they are unlawfully imprisoning the activists, but they refused to stand down.”

(Update: Short clip in Hebrew showing a man reading out the names of Palestinian villages on which Tel Aviv was built. A riot police officer tells him he is violating the peace, and he is quickly arrested while continuing to chant the names. Shot by: Aviv Sela)

Other protesters on the scene said they were asked to sign a form in which they vowed not to “distribute propoganda” or to disturb the peace. “It’s amazing that a small, quiet action of little more than ten people can be considered a violation of the peace, while the whole street is filled with masses of drunk people celebrating,” said another activist.

Zochrot activist holding a sign with the name of a Palestinian village (Activestills)

Zochrot activist holding a sign with the name of a Palestinian village (Activestills)

As the news spread, a small demonstration of several dozen activists formed in solidarity with Zochrot outside the police barriers. When demonstrators on both sides of the fence started reading out aloud the names of destroyed villages – the refugees of which are still living in refugee camps in neighboring countries, Gaza and the West Bank – police started beating them and making arrests. By the end of the night, three were taken to the local police station, and will probably be brought before a court this evening. At around 2 a.m. police relaxed the siege and allowed people to go home. Rosenberg says that Zochrot will be suing the police for its illegal conduct.

Solidarity demonstrator arrested in Idn Gabirol (Activestills)

Solidarity demonstrator arrested on Ibn Gabirol (Activestills)

The issue of the Nakba and its commemoration is an extremely sensitive one in Israeli politics. Under the current right-wing government, a law was passed last year forbidding any state-sponsored organization from marking Israel’s Independence Day as a day of mourning, and any mention of the Nakba is kept out of schools by the Ministry of Education. Later today (Thursday), thousands are expected to march in the annual “March of Return” to some Galilee villages destroyed in 1948.

Zochrot activists carried by police (Activestills)

Zochrot activists carried by police (Activestills)

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    1. aristeides

      Pathological fear of the truth

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    2. sh

      Zochrot’s offices, btw, are situated but a few steps from Rabin Square, a people’s square in the socialist mold the name of which was Kings of Israel Square until Yigal Amir murdered Prime Minister Rabin there. It also houses the Tel Aviv municipality.
      It seems that this year, the authorities are more anxious than before to suppress and silence and that these policies have finally penetrated Israel’s much-vaunted bastion of tolerance: Tel Aviv.

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    3. Arie

      The stablishment is anxiously afraid.
      Thanks to Police for helping to publish the event that – without the policial oppression- had no chance to be attractive for newspapers

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    4. yudit

      They are so scared of any opinion even slightly different from the consensus, that all tools to oppress that voice have become legal, in “the only democracy” in the Middle East.
      Quite pathetic if it weren’t so sad

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    5. caden

      These people are like deer ticks. Not fatal just annoying has hell.

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    6. the other joe

      @Caden, please explain to me what is so dangerous about people reading out the names of villages.

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    7. caden

      Only Jews would apoligize for winning a war. You want to hear abotu the “nakba” you hear about it every time Tibi opens his trap or the UN is in session .

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    8. Larry Rosenwald

      Re Caden’s remark, that “Only Jews would apoligize for winning a war” – I’m not sure that reading the names of destroyed villages is such an apology; it’s rather acknowledging that the victory entailed loss. For me, such acknowledgment is similar to actions taken by Americans acknowledging the loss, the destruction inflicted on Native Americans by European Americans. Such actions don’t say, “we apologize for having won”; they say, “we acknowledge the consequences of that victory.”

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    9. aristeides

      But Caden and his ilk don’t want to acknowledge the consequences of that victory. They want to simultaneously celebrate the victory and their exclusive status as victims of it at the same time.

      There is simply no room for humanity in Zionism.

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    10. caden

      Larry, the Palestinains should get down on their hands and knees and thank God that their oppostiion are Jews. No other people would put up with this crap.

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    11. BOOZ

      Larry & Caden :

      It is in our jewish values to commemorate whatever adverse happened to other (Don’t we spil some wine to restrain our joy during Pesach : “dam, tsfardea, kinim, …” )

      But what stays is the privilege of Jewish self determination which didn’t happen in centuries.

      Sabras are spoiled children from this point of view because they take it for granted: they are wrong in this respect.

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    12. Piotr Berman

      Caden, are you seriously suggesting that in “every country” unauthorized public reading from a book could get you arrested?

      It reminds me photo reports of some anti-Putin demos in Russia. A demonstration involving a group action requires a permit from police which may be denied or delayed. So some people organized 1-person group demonstrations by sticking little toys with placards and signs in the snow (snow provides a very nice white background and the toys stand straight). Police was duly alerted, made photos but no arrests, because a gathering of even 100 little toys was not prohibited.

      Russia seems more democratic and tolerant than Israel.

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    13. Joel


      You might want to examine how the government of Sri Lanka tamped down their political opposition before that goverent finally destroyed the Tamil rebels this ending that country’s 17 year civil war and restoring peace.

      The international community turned a blind eye.

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    14. caden

      Ok, for the sake of argument I’ll stipulate that the “nakba” was the worst thing that has ever happened in recorded history, ever. It was a diabolical plan hatched by the elders of zion and Ben Gurion. And the IDF cut a swath of terror and slaughter that was unmatched in human history. Cruelty that the SS ( I forgot they weren’t such bad guys ) the Roman Legions, the Mongol hordes, couldn’t drema of, nothing compares. OK, so what do you want the average Israeli to do when he walks down the street and sees this crap. Rend his garments and fall to his knees in shame, what?

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    15. Caden, there is no need for that thought experiment. Just talking about what did actually happen was enough: some people were arrested as they read out the names of destroyed Palestinian villages. The state has passed laws to restrict Nakba commemorations. Two Israeli schoolbooks that mentioned the Nakba were reissued without the offending word.
      If you want to use Nazi Germany as your moral yardstick, then it’s not so bad at all – but when it comes to measuring political freedom, who would be happy to use a yardstick like that? The same question applies when it comes to discussing the Nakba itself. White Americans didn’t construct gas chambers for the indigenous people whom they forcibly expelled from their lands – does this mean that the dispossession of Native Americans should be swept aside or denied, because greater carnage and loss happened elsewhere?
      As for what the average Israeli should do when he encounters a Nakba commemoration, recognising that the names of the villages represent people’s lost homes and heritage instead of ‘crap’ would be a positive start.

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    16. Jared

      Caden, the point isn’t that the Naqba was the worst atrocity ever committed in history. You’re building a straw man here to try to make the other, more reasonable responses above seem to be presenting that straw man, but they aren’t. Almost uniformaly the response has been that these protests are just presenting the costs of the current Israeli state, where it came from, and what it needs to acknowledge and correct in whatever way possible if there will ever be peace or justice.

      In any case, as a democracy, these small, relatively quiet protests should in no way be in violation of a “disturbance of the peace” because they are non-violent and hurting no-one. Rather, this is further evidence of the increasingly paranoid and pernicious atmosphere descending upon the Israeli state, with the trend seeming to point to a time when any form of dissent from established truths will draw police action, arrest, and complete disenfranchisement. If that time isn’t already here.

      What is desired by these protests, by human rights organizations in Israel and throughout the world is for the mistreatment to stop, for justice to be done. It’s not as if the same undue power which allowed atrocities to occur during the forced expulsions and voluntary evacuations doesn’t still occur in the Occupied Territories. In fact, it does, every day, albeit on a lesser scale. The fact remains, Israel has no right to take actions which directly affect the lives of people they don’t give the right of citizenship, the right to vote, or the right to rule themselves. These are all the result of the force that Israel exerts and nothing to do with democracy whatsoever. So the Prime Minister can expel activists, sending them off with a childish note ironically chiding them for protesting the ” the only democratic country in the Middle East” while missing the irony of how undemocratic expelling activists because the Israeli government disagrees with their views is, can retroactively approve settlements which in the first place were never legal under any international law, but nothing Israel does will change the fact that when it comes to the way they’ve treated Palestinians for 60+ years, they have been closer to totalitarianism than most acknowledged democracies would ever care to be. Rant over.

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    17. caden

      Ok, Vicky, lets go with this. Ayala posts here. She is a nice person, seems left wing but good hearted. On board for all of this. What do you want from her life, Shlomo Krol, the rest of them? Afte they have showed appropriate shame of course.

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    18. “Larry, the Palestinains should get down on their hands and knees and thank God that their oppostiion are Jews. No other people would put up with this crap.”
      Supporters and opponents of last night’s demonstration were not divided on ethnic or religious lines. Zochrot was founded by Israeli Jews.
      Your comment reminds me of an encounter that the Jewish Canadian writer Jonathan Garfinkel chronicles in his book ‘Ambivalence’. Travelling in the West Bank during the Second Intifada, he meets an elderly Palestinian man named Zuhdi who was displaced during the Nakba, and he questions him on his history. Zuhdi speaks:
      “‘The British employed me for some time. When they left, we were conquered by the Jordanians.'”
      ‘What was life under Jordan like?’
      ‘We were still occupied, but they let us be for the most part. Now the Israelis not only occupy the land, they also occupy your head. They humiliate you. Then they want you to say, ‘Thank you for making my life better than it was under the Arabs’.’ Zuhdi gazes out the window at a bird perched on the hood of Samer’s truck. ‘Sometimes I think that beneath all that, they’re just as afraid as we are. Maybe even more.'”
      Later in the conversation, Jonathan shifts the focus from Israelis to Jews. He asks this man who lived through the Nakba and later survived settlers’ bullets in 1982: “‘Do you wish the Jews had never come here at all?’
      Zuhdi raises his right eyebrow, strokes his chin. ‘I can’t answer that question.’
      ‘Why not?’
      ‘Because you came, didn’t you?'”

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    19. You posted while I was posting, yet I think I answered your question as best I could with the book excerpt that I just gave.
      That chapter of the book depicts a painful conversation, but there was no humiliation or shame in it. Why should there be? What would be the point? The aim is to restore dignity.
      As for people’s lives, I can’t draw up master plans for what I think everybody should do. We all have responsibilities to stand up for justice when others are being denied it and to behave kindly, and it is up to each person to work out how they can best do that in their own life. Listening to histories that have previously been taboo is a good way to start because it makes us think about other people a bit more.

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    20. caden

      Fine, the Arabs don’t like Jewish sovreignty anywhere in the middle east. in fact they hate it. And if they could push a button Israel would be history. So, what, what does that mean, what does that change?

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    21. RichardL

      Why are you are so full of bile and hatred? You are annoyed by a handful of Zochrot activists, dislike Ahmed Tibi and the UN. You don’t like to hear about the Nakba and you fly into a strop when somebody else dares to even mention it.
      What is so frightening to you about ten Israeli activists reciting the names of erased villages that brings to your mind images of pogroms, massacres and violent repression? Just what are you so paranoid about?

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    22. caden

      Because these people are playing the long game, and I don’t like it. Its exactly like here when their American counterparts start going on about Hiroshima and Vietnam. The study of history is sadly dificient and they think that if they get this into the Israeli body politic it will germinate and down the road the country will fall. And the fact that its Jews doing this is even more nauseating. Although we do have guys like Phil Weiss and Richard Silverstein runnig around here who think guys like Samir Kuntar the the victim

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    23. It’s precisely because of those people that there still is a glimmer of hope. With Israel building walls all around now, we need x-ray activists to stop the isolation that can only lead to disaster.
      The momentum is there, Zionist arrogance is such that they don’t yet see what is happening. Create a better world before violence is the last – messianic – option.

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    24. the other joe

      Interesting. In Norway they allow a self-confessed mass murderer to explain himself in court and hold mass singing of the songs he claims are somehow Stalinist. I thought they were crazy, at first, but now the world can see that they’re not cowered. In Israel they arrest people for reading factual information out loud from a banned history book. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

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    25. Kolumn9

      Oh look, another article written by an anti-Israel journal sponsored by Europeans about an anti-Israel organization sponsored by Europeans. I am sure it will be used by other anti-Israel European funded organizations as proof for the existence of a extreme left-wing grass-roots movement within Israel. I suppose all this should be lauded as a form of direct foreign aid by Europe to Israel if only these organizations weren’t so obviously foreign in origin and ideology and political in their intent.

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    26. RichardL

      So you believe that they are the Trojan horse that will ultimately bring about the downfall of the Israeli state and lead to pogroms and massacres?

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    27. RichardL

      Sorry I can’t decipher your sarcasm. What was your point?

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    28. max

      @TOJ, so the Norwegians aren’t Israelis. They’re also not American, and the French aren’t British. Each culture deals with its problems differently. I haven’t heard of a universally accepted way of addressing problems.
      In Norway, people sing the kids’ song the murderer claimed are weakening their hearts, so he can hear them; I was singing with them. What’s the connection? In Israeli courts criminals – and terrorists – speak up their mind. What’s the difference? I fail to see your point.
      It isn’t forbidden in Israel to mention the Naqba; it isn’t forbidden to publish the names of the destroyed Arab villages.
      Where Vicky suspects fear, I hear grief and disgust.
      It’s about the context, it’s about all that comes around the reading, around the common ceremony for Palestinians and Jews.
      The message is clear: you have no right to feel sad on your own, you have no right to celebrate later. The war isn’t over but you have – now, with no peace at sight – to publicly introduce your enemy into your grief. Because – says who? – this is the right way. I will hurt your deepest feelings because I know better; better, to spite you, so I can feel I did something good… I’m a humanist, you’re a nationalist.
      Incidentally, are Dresden memorials part of V-day celebrations?
      One can’t just inspect this incident without its context, it’s hypocrisy.

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    29. Jack

      Well its just another proof how (un)democratic Israel really is.

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    30. the other joe

      @Max – I just thought it was an incredible contrast. In my country, Brevik would never have been able to spend days explaining his actions after admitting his crimes and there was serious conversation amongst lawyers about how this was a terrible thing to be allowed.
      If the Nakba is legitimate conversation, why has the word been excised from the history books? Surely it is valid history for at least those citizens descended from the pre-1948 inhabitants? If it is legitimate to peacefully mention the villages, why were the protesters arrested?
      I don’t understand your second paragraph. The bombing of Dresden and Nagaski were war crimes – nobody could or would arrest me for publicly remembering the destruction of my country’s enemies. I do not celebrate their destruction, and I would have gladly spent time grieving our shared loss of humanity with those on the other side of WW2.
      Surely the context is that the legitimate pain of a significant population of Israeli citizens is downplayed and rubbed out from the official narrative of the creation of Israel to the extent that even those who want to hold a peaceful quiet memorial are arrested. What other context is there? What am I missing?

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    31. caden

      In Texas, Brevik would be history already. In Norway, I understand that he gets a maximum of 21 years. You have to love it.

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    32. Jack

      “Norwegians aren’t Israelis. They’re also not ”

      “In Israeli courts criminals – and terrorists – speak up their mind. What’s the difference? ”

      The difference is very clear between Norway and Israel dealing with terrorists.
      In Norway they follow the procedure of law and judiciary, having a trial and the terrorists get a defender in court. In Israel on the other hand, the alleged terrorists are shot on the spot.

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    33. the other joe

      @Jack, that is a bit harsh. Sometimes they get shot on the spot, sometimes they get thrown into prison for Administrative Detention, sometimes they even get a trial, sometimes even a fair one.

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    34. caden

      Rich, its a number of things. The termites are on the inside on this one.

      And Joe, I read a book about he 8th air force. A Jewish navigator was interviewed and said he didn’t lose a minutes sleep over Dresden. He figured he didn’t hit any Jews because the good citizens of Dresden had already shipped them off to the camps. And check out the pictures of the adoring crowds when the fuhrer came to visit.

      And Nagasaki, please. That atom bomb saved hundreds of thousands of American soldiers. Its just too bad the bomb wasn’t around to drop on Berlin. Maybe we could have got Grass then

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    35. the other joe

      @Caden – sorry, I don’t take lessons from you about war crimes or about alternative histories which don’t involve them. Nor even half-remembered third-party biased reports of historical events. Directly targeting civilian areas for carpet bombing in war is a war crime. End of story. Doesn’t matter who won, or what justification is given, it is still a crime.

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    36. Kolumn9

      RichardL, the point is that this is a spectacle organized and funded and publicized by people whose claim to the spotlight is based on getting money from European organizations intent on interfering in the normal functioning of a sovereign democracy. The purpose of these organizations is to provide ideological cover to anti-Israel Europeans, to undermine the Israeli narrative, to promote anti-government feelings and to damage the image of Israel. Such interference in the affairs of many other states would fairly be classified as sedition

      These groups represent virtually no one in Israel and when their funding dries up as a result of future legislation they will disappear. The sooner this happens, the better.

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    37. the other joe

      @Kolumn9 – or you could just say that (if true) the payments are an inadequate counter-balance the the $USbillions which support the standard narrative.

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    38. caden

      Joe, you have to be kidding. Like Arthur Harris said. The Germans sowed the wind. Now they will reap the whirl wind. The men who took to the skies over Europe were hero’s. Not war criminals

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    39. max

      @TOJ, based on what you write, it could be claimed that Israel sits somewhere between your country and Norway, as terrorists, such as Samir Kuntar, are free to talk.
      But that claim would be wrong, as the contexts are so different… along with the hundreds of terrorists ‘with blood on their hand’ that sit (or sat) in Israeli jails, many others have been killed by drones and other means – without trial. Like – maybe – in France recently; like it’s done by the US and NATO.
      I leave aside this legal aspect, which is going to be a major one in coming years, as the nature of the world’s wars change.
      The Nakba is a loaded term. So while the facts (possibly – probably – not all of them) are mentioned in history books, the term may not (as you say – I don’t know how true it is). Would you really expect, with the still open wounds and fear, that Israeli Jews would teach about The Catastrophe their independence caused their enemy?
      And here’s where I link it to Dresden: are you familiar with Dresden memorial during V-Day in Britain? Can you conceive of them during and immediately after the war?
      Some Israeli Arabs (including parliament members) commemorate the Nakba during Israel’s independence day by walking to the destroyed villages, but doing it in the midst of the population that is first mourning and then celebrating is an act of spite.
      So what you’re missing is the lack of “want to hold a peaceful quiet memorial”. This was not the case. This wasn’t the intention, and for an obvious reason.
      The Israeli far-left is minuscule. It needs to create incidents to get attention. You don’t get attention when you’re quiet, in a quiet place. It isn’t about reflection, it’s about attention.
      So they get the attention, and then pretend they don’t deserve it…

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    40. aristeides

      Caden’s posts are the equivalent of Brievek testifying in public. Keep it up, fella! The gorge rises higher!

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    41. max

      About the ideology clash between TOJ and Caden: I have yet to come up with an answer to myself – is it right to kill (shall we call it sacrifice?) a person in order to save a thousand? It seems like an inhuman decision…

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    42. Piotr Berman

      It is actually interesting WHY a march of thousands of Arab citizens in Galilee was allowed and the micro-demo in Tel Aviv was met with such robust reaction. Mind you, there is no law against commemorating Nakba by private citizens, you just cannot use public funds for that purpose.

      Perhaps it is view as trying to convert Jews away from the state religion — this is actually illegal. And one of the tenets of the religion says “people without land to the land without people” (compare with the Dogma of Immaculate Conception in many Christian denominations). In Galilee it was tolerable to have members of a minority religion celebrate something that majority may ignore. But in Tel Aviv apostate Jews tried to convert Jews that are still pious.

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    43. ish yehudi

      sometimes peace is increased by bringing things together, sometimes peace is increased by keeping them apart… on these most sensitive of days- despite it being “the perfect and most just” time to remind Israelis of the other narratives to their own– both this article’s subject and the gathering for commemorating Palestinian casualties alongside Israeli seem wrong.
      From the outside they may look right, just and attractive- but if your goal is to affect Israelis (meaning to serve Peace) i think its off.
      An israeli friends report from the memorial service was that he left with serious bad taste in his mouth from the things the israelis said there- offensive, insensitive and full of anger i believe he said.
      anyone who knows israel- knows the intensity of yom hazikaorn into yom ha’atzmaut. You’d be hard pressed to find somebody who hasn’t lost someone in duty. Taking on all that emotion is not just bad strategy- it’s lack of tact and apparently pretty offensive too. We didn’t ask to be in these wars. Let us mourn in peace. would we have the chutzpa to ask that the palestinians commemorate the Israeli fallen on their memorial day?
      maybe someday in the distant future when we live out the prophecies that us religious zionist dreamed about today in the haftora- that the wolf and the sheep will dwell together- because the awareness of the unity will be so strong… but we are not there yet. may we be soon

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    44. “We were held captive for about four hours, and were told we could only leave if each and every one of us shows an ID,” Making a list? checking it twice, Israel’s gonna find out whose nice (the protesters), ’cause they already know who is naughty (them)…

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    45. aristeides

      Ish – who “didn’t ask to be in these wars?” Israel is constantly straining at the leash to run into another war.

      As for asking the Palestinians to commemorate the Israeli fallen – of course they must, if you mean Palestinian citizens of Israel. They must stop their cars at the blare of the siren just like everyone else on the road. I can imagine the reaction of the Israeli patriots if some Palestinian didn’t stop, didn’t stand. It would be like the guy who drove home on Yom Yippur and was not only beaten up but arrested for forcing the pious Jews to rush out of their houses and employ their fists.

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    46. Elisabeth

      I just read comment after comment by Caden, and he is just so sick. If there is ever a person always willing to reach out to the other it is Vicky, and even to her he is completely unreachable.
      He is very, very ill inside. A Breivik in the making. I hope to God that he is not one of the persons let loose with a gun in the occupied territories by the IDF. But he probably is.

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    47. Elisabeth

      Piotr, Richard Silverstein made a similar argument to yours on his blog on why Palestinians Nakba remembrances are tolerated but the Jewish Zochrot is not.

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    48. caden

      Liz, not feeling the love sweetheart.

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    49. Piotr Berman

      Kolumn9: like many Israelis you thoroughly misunderstand the nature of grants to NGO. As we could observe on the occasion of Grass controversy, German Green Party even in the most remote sense is not anti Israel. But they have some concepts of democratic pluralism and human rights and give small grants on that basis. Perhaps more surprising, foundations that are associated with conservative parties like British Tories and German Christian Democrats do similar things, because respectable European parties like to think that democratic pluralism and human rights belong to their values. Support of Israeli NGO is a very small part of their grants.

      Sedition is not a concept that belongs to democratic ideology of mainstream European countries, and for that matter, in North America. It is an authoritarian concept, opposition to the “truth” as established by the State. Security, harmony and purity on one side, and disloyalty and sedition on the other.

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    50. XYZ

      The Atnomic bombins on Japan saved millions of JAPANESE lives in addition to millions of Chinese lives. This is besides the hundreds of thousands of Ameican lives saved because there was no need to invade the Japanese Home Islands.
      See the book “Downfall” by Richard Frank.
      Before a land invasion, the Allies were preparing a long-term blockade of Japan and disruption of internal railroad and road transportation. This would have meant mass famine and social disorder. Millions would have died, making the famine that Germany and Austria at the end of World War I look like child’s-play.
      Frank also points out 100,000 Chinese were dying every month at the last stages of the war. Thus, assuming the war went on for another year, there is another million dead. There were also large numbers dying in the other still-occupied parts of east Asia occupied by Japan.

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