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PHOTOS: Right-wing protest demands 'revenge,' clashes in E. Jerusalem

 A day after an attack that took the life of a three-month-old Israeli girl, over 150 right-wing activists called for vengeance and the expulsion of Palestinians. Continued restrictions on worship lead to clashes in East Jerusalem.

Photos and text by Oren Ziv, Yotam Ronen / Activestills.org

Palestinians perform Friday Prayer at the neighbourhood of Ras Al-Amud in East Jerusalem due to Israeli Government's entrance restriction to the al-Aqsa Mosque for the Palestinians under the age of 40, October 24, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Palestinians perform Friday prayers in the Ras al-Amud neighborhood of East Jerusalem due to Israeli restrictions on access to the Aqsa Mosque for Palestinians under the age of 40, October 24, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Israeli police prevented Muslim worshipers under 40 from entering the Aqsa Mosque on Friday. Because of the restrictions, hundreds of Palestinians from East Jerusalem held their Friday prayers near makeshift police checkpoints at the edge of the adjacent Palestinian neighborhoods.

After prayers, police pushed worshipers into the adjacent East Jerusalem neighborhoods. Palestinian youth threw rocks at police forces at Ras al-Amud, which were answered by stun grenades.

Read more on restrictions on worship in Jerusalem

In Wadi Joz, undercover police dressed as Palestinian men arrested three young men after the prayers came to an end.

In the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya, dozens of young men marched toward the local gas station, where a large group of Israeli police had been stationed since morning. The youth burned tires and threw rocks. The police then entered the neighborhood and shot large amounts of rubber bullets and tear gas.

In Silwan, the East Jerusalem neighborhood where the suspect in the terror attack lived, clashes have been taking place on a daily basis since the attack, and before that in response to new settlement homes in the neighborhood. Police were expected to hand over the body of Abdulrahman Shallodi late Saturday night for burial.

Palestinians perform Friday Prayers at the neighberhood of Ras Al-Amud  due to Israeli Government's entrance restriction to the al-Aqsa Mosque for the Palestinians under the age of 40 in Jerusalem, October 24, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Palestinians perform Friday prayers in the Ras al-Amud neighborhood of East Jerusalem due to Israeli restrictions on access to the Aqsa Mosque for Palestinians under the age of 40, October 24, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Palestinians perform Friday Prayer at the neighbourhood of Ras Al-Amud in East Jerusalem due to Israeli Government's entrance restriction to the al-Aqsa Mosque for the Palestinians under the age of 40, October 24, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Palestinians perform Friday prayers in the Ras al-Amud neighborhood of East Jerusalem due to Israeli restrictions on access to the Aqsa Mosque for Palestinians under the age of 40, October 24, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Israeli policemen push a Palestinian man at the end f the Friday prayer, at the neighbourhood of Ras Al-Amud in East Jerusalem, October 24, 2014. The Israeli Government restricted the entrance to the al-Aqsa Mosque for the Palestinians under the age of 40. (Activestills.org)

Israeli policemen push a Palestinian man at the end of the Friday prayers in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Ras al-Amud, October 24, 2014.
Israeli police barred the entrance to the Aqsa Mosque for Palestinians under the age of 40. (Activestills.org)

Israeli police shoot tear gas during clashes with Israeli police in the neighbourhood of Issawia on October 24, 2014 in Jerusalem. Clashes have continued two days after a Palestinian man drove a car in to a crowd, killing a baby and injuring seven people in Jerusalem. (Activestills.org)

Israeli police shoot tear gas during clashes with Palestinians in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya on October 24, 2014. Clashes have continued two days after a Palestinian man drove a car in to a crowd, killing a baby and injuring seven others in Jerusalem. (Activestills.org)

Palestinian youth seen burning tires during clashes with Israeli police in the neighbourhood of Issawia on October 24, 2014 in Jerusalem.

Palestinian youth burning tires during clashes with Israeli police in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya on October 24, 2014. (Activestills.org)

A day after a terrorist attack at a Jerusalem light rail station that took the life of a three-month-old Israeli girl, over 150 right-wing activists gathered at the site of the attack to protest what they described as the government’s inaction in preventing attacks against Jews.

Police arrested 10 of the right-wing protesters, some of whom attempted to block the train tracks. Police declared the protest an “illegal gathering,” Thursday night.

The protesters, many of whom wore t-shirts identifying them with the far-right anti-miscegenation group Lehava, called on the government to avenge the death and expel Arabs from Jerusalem, including those who are not involved in violence against Israelis.

Right-wing Israeli activists, many of whom wore t-shirts identifying them with the far-right anti-miscegenation group Lehava, call for revenge at the East Jerusalem scene of a deadly car attack in which a Palestinian man killed a baby and injured seven Israelis a day before, October 23, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Right-wing Israeli activists, many of whom wore t-shirts identifying them with the far-right anti-miscegenation group Lehava, call for revenge at the scene of a deadly car attack in which a Palestinian man killed a baby and injured seven Israelis a day before, October 23, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Right-wing Israeli activists, many of whom wore t-shirts identifying them with the far-right anti-miscegenation group Lehava, call for revenge at the East Jerusalem scene of a deadly car attack in which a Palestinian man killed a baby and injured seven Israelis a day before, October 23, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Right-wing Israeli activists attack a cameraman during a protest calling for revenge at the East Jerusalem scene of a deadly car attack in which a Palestinian man killed a baby and injured seven Israelis a day before, October 23, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Right-wing Israeli activists attack a cameraman during a protest calling for revenge at the East Jerusalem scene of a deadly car attack in which a Palestinian man killed a baby and injured seven Israelis a day before, October 23, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Israeli policemen arrest a right-wing activist during a protest calling for revenge at the East Jerusalem scene of a deadly car attack in which a Palestinian man killed a baby and injured seven Israelis a day before, October 23, 2014. (Activestills.org)

Israeli policemen arrest a right-wing activist during a protest calling for revenge at the East Jerusalem scene of a deadly car attack in which a Palestinian man killed a baby and injured seven Israelis a day before, October 23, 2014. (Activestills.org)

 

Related:
PHOTOS: Protests in Jerusalem over Aqsa Mosque closures
The illusion of religious freedom in Jerusalem
Nine more Jewish families take over Silwan homes in dead of night

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    1. Kolumn8

      Its funny. In one photo one group of young males are identified as ‘Palestinian youth’. In the other a different group of young males are identified as ‘right-wing Israeli activists’.

      I don’t really think that the political opinions of the two groups are particularly different, just reversed in their hatred. Both clashed with the police and both tried to block the train tracks. So, why not call the Jews – ‘Israeli youth’? Or, alternatively call the Arabs – ‘right-wing Palestinian activists’ if you so choose?

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      • Pedro X

        Kolumn, it is obvious that 972mag has a double standard. Ten protestors, who 972mag identifies as right wingers because they had a gathering protesting the killing of a three month year old baby by a Palestinian terrorist, are arrested and 972mag does not defend (in fact denigrates) their right to protest, while 972mag defends the rights of those they see as left wingers or Palestinians violently or non-violently protesting Israeli government actions or policies.

        If the Israeli police had arrested left wing demonstrators blocking the rail lines, 972 mag would have declared Israel was denying the right to protest.

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    2. Richard

      Oh look at those tranquil, serene Arabs praying…and they can’t be let inside the Mosque 🙁 boo hoo. Its not like they’ve ever done anything violent there, like throw stone onto Jews at the Kotel. Always so peaceful and nice, while look at those NASTY JEWS, huh? GROSS! More PROPAGANDA photos brought to you by hypocritical, leftist German scum and the Rockefeller Brothers, who got rich on ARAB OIL.

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    3. Stas

      the articles claims that “far right activists demanded revenge”, but the sign on the picture actually reads “Jews, the revenge is for God” (an allusion for a known verse from the Bible), which basically means just the opposite… This is yet another example of demonization of “settlers” who are in fact in this case are an ordinary citizens of an Israeli capital.

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      • LarryX

        No. The sign in Hebrew says: “Jews: Revenge. Lehava”

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      • Ben Zakkai

        Where do you see the sign you’re describing? I see only one sign clearly, and it reads, “Jews [in block outline letters], REVENGE [in larger red letters], [signed] Lehava”. The plain text, plus Lehava’s track record as, basically, an intimidation-oriented hate group affiliated with all sorts of Kahanist garbage, make it pretty clear that the blackshirted (imagine that) Lehava members are calling on Jews to avenge the terrorist murder of a Jewish baby. Are you really claiming that that sign is demanding the opposite, i.e. that we Jews refrain from revenge and leave it in God’s hands? Or are you perhaps referring to one of the other signs that are partly visible in the photos? Please clarify.
        BTW, even in a free-speech paradise like the U.S., you have no right to incite other people to violence, which is exactly what our fine upstanding clean-cut Lehava boy scouts are doing in the pictures. That’s a crime. So they should be arrested (which apparently happened to a few of them) and prosecuted (and who thinks that’s gonna happen?). After all, they may be sons-of-bitches, but they’re OUR sons-of-bitches!

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    4. Bruce Gould

      This is the journalist David Sheen testifying at the Russell Tribunal on Israeli attitudes towards Palestinians (half hour video):

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDNFdjwolaI

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      • JohnW

        You are kidding, right?

        Shmuel Eliyahu represents all Israelis? Since when?

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      • Gustav

        A scathing attack by a Palestinian man who complains about How Hamas is the cause of all the problems of Palestinian Arabs:

        http://youtu.be/oJWWX0RtGAQ

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    5. sh

      I see a poster with Kahane’s face on it being brandished by one of the Israeli not-exactly-in-the-first-flower-of-youth protesters. I’m sure he got home fine after the protest. I wonder what would happen to a Palestinian youth brandishing a pic of Ayman al Zawahiri at a protest. Would he get home fine afterwards too d’you think?

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      • Richard

        The answer is yes. Palestinians openly celebrate Al Qaeda all the the time. Remember 9/11?

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        • Ben Zakkai

          Are you stoned? 1500 Israeli Arabs were arrested for demonstrating against the IDF’s Operation Protective Edge, because for some reason they didn’t like or understand the necessity for murdering hundreds of children in Gaza and mutilating thousands more by means of jet fighter-bombers, tanks and artillery. Thousands more Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank were arrested, beaten, injured, and in more than a few cases even killed, for making the same protest. Are you unaware of that, or just lying? Go ahead, tell me about all the unmolested free speech that Arabs enjoy under Israeli control.

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          • Gustav

            You too should watch this video.

            A scathing attack by a Palestinian man who complains about How Hamas is the cause of all the problems of Palestinian Arabs:

            http://youtu.be/oJWWX0RtGAQ

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    6. The media propaganda with the role to protect Israel could not continue forever in spite of what is already in front of everyone’s eyes.
      The consequence of this World War of Religion instigated by the Zionists should be looked over even by the same citizens of Israel.
      If at first it may seem that Muslims are fighting Jews and Christians joined together soon after the next conflict will certainly be one between Christians and Jews for the Deception on 9/11. Without a scapegoat no media propaganda could save the Jews from a drastic change of public opinion.
      Should this be the greatest gift that the citizens of Israel wish upon themselves and want to offer to the whole World?
      We are still in time to put the past in a new prospective and to build a World that could welcome the next generations.
      This is not mere idealism but a real possibility.
      It is difficult to comprehend why the Jewish people would want to fall back in the same path that over the time has brought nothing but destruction of many innocent lives.
      This seems the perfect time to change the rules of the game but if this World conflict must happen then let it be one between the old Animals versus a new Humankind.

      http://www.wavevolution.org

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    7. JohnW

      Wow!

      Is there no limit to human stupidity and bloody mindedness? The sad thing is that there are probably quite a few idiots who CHOOSE to believe your 1001 Arabian night stories because they hate us. Probably some idiots who regularly post on this site too.

      Even your mother knows you are psychotic.

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    8. Brian

      That’s the ticket. Beat, steal and oppress them endlessly, goad them and goad them and goad them, provoke everybody’s worst tendencies all around, then stand back grinning and say, “See, them A-rabs, they just don’t want peace. Our poor little hand, stretched out in peace…. Tsk tsk. Oh whatever can we do?” Nice handiwork.

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      • JohnW

        Another idiot upside down story teller.

        I bet you are one of the ones who endorses wave’s comments.

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    9. Noe

      Just one photo of rioting Palestinians?

      After weeks of a small intifada in Jerusalem that includes countless molotov cocktails? Just one photo?

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      • If you think 972 is “one-sided”, perhaps you should try Arutz Sheva as that may be more in lockstep with your understanding. There’s something for everyone. Don’t troll a site and constantly bitch that the views expressed run contrary to your dogma and expect them to conform to your standards. There are plenty of sites where you’d feel quite at home, I’m sure.

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        • Ben Zakkai

          Yeah, I’ve gotta say I’m with Marnie on this one. You can get the “Israel is always right” line from just about any Israeli newspaper (except Haaretz), TV or radio station, and the major U.S. media outlets are not far behind in their pro-Israel slant; while the seriously anti-Occupation crowd has (again) Haaretz and maybe a few blogs. And you pro-Occupation types want to whine about +972 being biased? Most of you really must be a team of paid Hasbara hacks, to judge from the way you all disappear every so often, reappearing soon after under new names. I hope the pay is good for fascist whores.

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          • Noe

            Touchy.

            Anybody concerned about facts around here?

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    10. JohnW

      “I hope the pay is good for fascist whores.”

      And you are calling us haters?

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      • JohnW

        Because only people with your views have integrity, logic and strong beliefs in causes.

        The rest of us are just whores who don’t believe in anything but money?

        Grow up!

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        • Yvette

          Why DO you right wing hasbara hacks troll +972? Very weird. You convince absolutely no one. What losers. Get a life.

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          • JohnW

            Can’t you take it? Does the truth hurt you so much?

            Or do you just prefer to wallow in your own excrement without interruption by a bit of perspective?

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          • Gustav

            It is revealing that not one extreme leftie poster in here who are so desperate, yes I said DESPERATE, to silence us “right wingers” is not the least disturbed by Wavettore’s post above. Or “Average American’s” posts of Viktor Araj’s posts!!!!

            No, only we “right wingers” worry them. Very revealing.

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          • Ray

            We don’t worry about Victor Arajs, because we know he is an obvious troll.

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          • JohnW

            As opposed to “Average American” and Wavettore who are not trolls because you share their views about Jews and conspiracy theories?

            Very revealing.

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          • Ben Zakkai

            Yeah, it does demand an explanation, Yvette. I can’t stand most of the crap printed every day by, for example, right-wing outlets like Arutz Sheva, Yisrael HaYom (Israel Today) and the Jerusalem Post, but on the other hand, I can’t imagine any circumstances that would give me the opportunity and desire to troll any of their websites and reply obsessively and repeatedly to just about every article there, unless I was either (1) paid to do so, or (2) unemployed (or marginally employed) and touched in the head. I’m not for shutting anybody up, and these trolls can write and publish a million talkbacks as far as I’m concerned. However, on the other hand, it’s not enough for us to refute all their deceitful assertions (and who has time anyway?); we’ve got to shine a light on what they’re doing, and point out how the whole trolling phenomenon here on +972 just stinks to high hell. Every +972 reader looking at the right-wing talkbacks swamping the comment threads has got to ask himself, Who are these people?

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          • Exactly but my question is These are people?

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          • Kolumn8

            Or maybe we are bored at work, and actually believe in something different from you, and like to argue?

            Personally I am more offended by the fact that most of the authors published here are in one way or another paid by various European governments and foreign organizations to continue publishing what they publish. If you are looking for paid trolls don’t look very far. Just read the articles, look up the organizations the authors are affiliated with, and then look up their sources of funding. But, you don’t have a problem with that, do you? Only with the “trolls” that don’t agree with you.

            For example, Activestills is sponsored by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, which also sponsors 972mag, Breaking the Silence, Molad, the Parents Circle, and Just Vision, with the goal of producing anti-Israeli propaganda and in interfering in Israelis society and politics.

            So, who is the paid troll? Me, while I type this from work on my work computer while procrastinating from doing my actual job, or the guy who is paid to professionally troll Israeli society by European governments and foreign organizations?

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          • Ben Zakkai

            First of all guys, it’s no secret that for a number of years now, the State of Israel and various self-styled “pro-Israel” fronts having been paying talkbackers to spout hasbara on-line. And +972 has got to be a prime target for that, which means that some of you must be paid hacks, even if we can’t be sure exactly who you are. The writers on +972, on the other hand, are mostly not paid hacks who’ve been hired by one organization to push a party line. On the contrary, they’re a group of folks with elements of a shared worldview who created a blog and then sought funding for it from like-minded donors. That’s why the articles here have more variety and nuance than the right-wing talkbacks that just attack every article and defend every crazy or cruel Israeli action or policy. And Gustav, do you really think that Israel is losing the battle for world opinion because, for some period of time in the past, there wasn’t enough Hasbara? Negatory. There’s always been loads of highly effective Hasbara that the Palestinians could only envy. Israel is losing the battle for hearts and minds because the truth sucks for Israel right now, and it’s gotten much worse over the past five years.

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          • Kolumn8

            1) The writers on 972mag, along with a bunch of other left-wing organizations, are sponsored by foreign governments and foreign organization to push a party line. You can call it a ‘donation’ if you want, but the fact is that the entire industry that is on display on 972mag is openly sponsored from the outside and would not exist if the authors had to go get real jobs like the rest of us. In fact most of them would likely wind up in the comments section of a more centrist blog arguing their worldview. Their entire ability to present themselves as anything more than a small group of marginal individuals is due to and based on the sponsorship they receive from ‘like-minded donors’.

            2) The articles here have more nuanced and diverse because there is sufficient foreign funding to sponsor numerous organizations each focused on their own individual aspect of propaganda. There are the ‘archeologists’ of Emek Shaveh, the ‘photographers’ of Activestills, there are the ‘environmentalists’ of whatever, the ‘parents’ of the ‘Parents Circle’, the ‘soldiers’ of ‘Shovrim Shtika’, the ‘feminists’ of ‘New Profile’, the rabbis, the anarchists, etc….. And *ALL*, and I mean *ALL* of the alphabet soup of organizations are sponsored by foreign governments and foreign organizations. None of this is hidden. Each one has a website which has reports that explicitly expose from where they receive funding that allows them to operate. Their operations mostly consist of producing propaganda whether in the form of reports (dozens of orgs), articles (972mag), conferences (Zochrot), photos (ActiveStills) or video (Justvision). An army of hundreds of people in Israel employed by foreign employers to professionally troll their own country on a full time basis and push a foreign party line.

            3) And you have the gall to come here and complain to me about “trolls” and more so to throw around accusations about right-wing commenters being paid. All you have is accusations. I have the about us pages of all these organizations and the reports they file annually. Each of these organizations who produce propaganda admits explicitly that their operations are financed from abroad. You want to see paid trolls? Read the articles posted here, not the comments.

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          • Ben Zakkai

            Great, so the funding here is transparent, unlike with paid Hasbara trolls. And it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if some of it is foreign; Israel’s Occupation and accompanying military dictatorship is a corrupt and immoral regime, and foreign pressure has often been helpful in changing such regimes. And I’m pretty sure the writers here speak their consciences rather than toadying for foreign dollars. You just don’t like foreigners when they oppose you; I’m sure you have no problem with American Jews and Evangelists bankrolling settlers.

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          • Gustav

            They have no consciences Benny dear. And neither do you.

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          • Kolumn8

            Yes, it doesn’t bother you when trolls are paid by foreign governments to write about Israel? Because that is what you are reading on these pages on a regular basis and that is what you are getting in all those reports from the various left-wing organizations. Just trolls with enough money to pay to make their materials look presentable.

            Your problem is with these mysterious paid trolls that don’t agree with you. You have no proof that anyone is paid, but nonetheless you choose to throw around wild accusations. Yet no problem whatsoever with the explicitly admitted trolling by extreme left wing organizations paid by foreign governments? Really? Your position is untenable.

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          • Gustav

            “which means that some of you must be paid hacks,”

            … hacks because anyone who does not agree with Benny’s views is a hack.

            Re-education camps anyone? Gulags maybe? Isn’t that what your Soviet co-religionists practiced?

            Ahhhh the good old days, momma Benny?

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          • Ben Zakkai

            Gee Gustav, you haven’t noticed that in Israel 2014, it’s the Right getting left-wing anti-Occupation writers and protesters arrested, fired from their jobs, and, if they’re Palestinian, jailed and occasionally killed, not the other way around? Funny how you missed that and went straight for the Gulag analogy. Memo to Gustav: There’s a world outside your head.

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          • Gustav

            Ben

            Could it be that I am posting here because I am motivated by your disgusting persistence to lie about the country that I live in?

            Could it be that I am motivated by the fact that I remember a few years ago when we were too lazy to counteract your persistent lies and let you take over the narrative till what you said became the accepted norm and we now know that we can no longer afford to let your lies and propaganda go unchallenged?

            As to how can I afford to do this? That isn’t your business but unlike you I am not getting paid by anyone. You might also ask the same question of some of the extreme lefties who post here every day?

            The only thing that you are right about is that you people are very hard to stomach. Your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. Take this worm Marnie for example and his comment:

            “These are people?”

            And yes, you are right. Now I too have dehumanized him but note who acted first and who is reacting.

            He refers to us of course. But I lost count how many times people like him admonish us for dehumanizing the “poor Palestinians”.

            As for you Ben, judging by your last few comments, you are not much better than him/her.

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          • Too right Yvette – there are, unfortunately, innumerable sites most of these folks would be very welcome, yet they come here, where they share none of the views of the bloggers, and just read off their notes from hasbara school. Trifling.

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          • Gustav

            “… where they share none of the views of the bloggers …”

            Boooo hoooo Marnie …

            Thank you for revealing that you long for nothing more than daily bitch sessions in which you can endlessly reinforce each others lies without any interruption from us.

            Sorry to spoil your fun, NOT!

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          • Josh

            I love it when Gustav shows that he is just a fascist misogynist piece of shit. Like Woody Allen, I prefer baseball bats for such twats

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          • Gustav

            Josh

            You love nothing more than yourself. And perhaps to bitch about Israel and those of us who show you up for the haters and fools who you are.

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          • Kiwi

            Poor poor poor Josh and his compadres …

            They lose every debate that they get into with the “hated Zionists” so they try the next best thing. Personal attacks, crudeness and abuse.

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          • Don’t cry for me Gustav! I’m fine. It is crystal clear that ANY expression of solidarity with Palestinians makes you and “your compadres” off like “Old Faithful”. There are so many other places for you and your compadres to shoot the shit, why come to a place whose views are so very different than your own? Isn’t it uncomfortable for you here? Is that why you make such a fuss, you and “your compadres”, acting like tag-team wrestlers (just the comic ones). Do you really insist that everyone think like you? Like that other troll who regularly demands readers to “Watch! And Weep”, which is just creepy as hell. It is the behavior of someone who is losing his or her grip on reality to behave this way. You have numerous forums to gather with like-minded people and discuss current events. You must really feel like a fish out of water here. Like walking into a room where no one spoke your language – that’s uncomfortable for sure. But, there are many other places you and your little friends could visit and, even though we’ll miss you terribly, it is ultimately for the best that you just fuck off.

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          • Gustav

            ” … you just fuck off.”

            Ooh I am shocked. Not very lady like Marnie dear.

            Josh, are you there? Do you approve of the language of your little lady friend?

            You called me a mysogonist for much less. I guess she listened to you that’s why she has it in for me. But really, you are both quite wrong. I love women. I love my wife and my daughter too. All these accusations are just in your dirty little Israel hating heads.

            By the way, no, I am not uncomfortable here. I like to give you guys your own medicine. How does it feel?

            Oh I nearly forgot. Pretty soon poopsie will make an appearance here too. He is your light weight heavy artillery who you think will chase me off here …
            … but really he won’t. He will just reduce the already poor quality of this forum to the gutter. Hey, I can live with that. Can you guys? What a question … of course you can. That’s what you are used to.

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          • I hate zionism Gustav. Quit conflating the two. Judaism does not equal zionism. The right wing nuts of the zionist state have hogtied and gang-raped Judaism. The constant baiting of Jew-hatred is bullshit. It’s inflammatory, gets certain folks blood up, but its just inflammatory nonsense. You can call me anything you want, I couldn’t care less. But its the mentality of the zionist that is tearing this country and the rest of the world apart. The zionist wants it all, and does not have a God-fearing bone in his/her body, but loves to use the Torah and the Almighty as any actor would use a prop.
            You love women? Nu?

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          • Eric

            Hi the Nail on the Head dear Marnie.

            Unfortunately, you will always have Lunatics (Hello Gustav and the likes) in these Discussions who will try to silence the Debate before it even Begins (Anti-Semite, Anti-Jew and the New one, Anti-Israel)

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          • Kiwi

            Interesting, Eric.

            So now if someone calls you guys anti Israel he is silencing the debate?

            Are you sure you are not the idiot? Because your argument certainly is idiotic.

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          • Gustav

            “The constant baiting of Jew-hatred is bullshit. It’s inflammatory”

            Whatever. Nice slogan …

            Where exactly did I claim Jew hatred in general?

            But now that you mention it, there is that too. By at least some. So I am glad you brought it up.

            You know, people like Viktor Arajs (look up what his namesake did to Jews in WW2 – did he choose to use that name just by accident?).

            Then there is that bod who calls himself “Average American” but he is anything but Average. His posts reek of hatred of Jews.

            And on this very thread, good old Wavettori said this:

            “the next conflict will certainly be one between Christians and Jews for the Deception on 9/11.”

            So, do you think he loves or hates Jews? You have two guesses.

            But you guys don’t want such obnoxious characters to go away. You only want us to go away. Very revealing Marnie, dear. Eric, you too.

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          • Gustav

            “Do you really insist that everyone think like you?”

            No Marnie dear, you do. That’s why you so badly want us to disappear from here and probably from the face of the earth too. Because we don’t fit your idea of what everybody should be like. Little old you that is. How quaint …

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    11. Hi Gustav –
      It’s interesting that you’d rather bullshit about what other people are saying instead of substantive issues. But that’s the game and you are really good at it. You call everyone here that isn’t for you or the other right wing-dings a “Jew hater.” That’s not really opening a door to meaningful dialogue is it – because you dont want that, you just want to stamp your feet and j’accuse – and watch out – the dreaded anti-semite card is being played (again, and again, and again, and again, you see where this is going right? No? And again, and again, and again. Shit -ya’ll need new material.

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      • Gustav

        Where did I call you a Jew hater, dearie? Just point at the post where I did or admit that you are trying to put words in my mouth for your own purposes. In other words, to divert discussion from substantive issues.

        Go on, quote me or point at the post or admit that you are wrong. You already showed that you have it in you to admit that you are wrong.

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    12. Brian

      In the interests of new material, an excerpt from a long thoughtful essay by Israeli Na’aman Hirschfeld, worth reading in its entirety. It’s not really different from what contributors Sara, and Jan and Marnie and others have patiently tried to say:

      http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.622536#

      …The oppression of the Palestinians leads to a brutalization and corruption of Israeli society, and both are enabled by a semi-intentional blindness on the part of the citizenry, which makes the citizens culprits in their own exploitation as well as in the oppression of the Palestinians. Israeli public discourse is saturated with propaganda and mythography, and one of the central elements that is constantly reinforced by both is the idea of an “Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.” This term is in fact a euphemism that effaces the reality of occupation and oppression with the mirage of a historic struggle between two national people. For the vast majority of Israelis, the reality of the occupation is invisible as it is subsumed by this historical-nationalistic discourse, enabling Israelis to perceive the “Conflict” as arising from a reality in which ‘we’ are victims and ‘they’ want to destroy us.

      Most Israelis neither want nor can afford to see what happens around them and through their choices because their entire worldview is dependent on the justification of the collectivity in the name of which Israel perpetrates crimes against the Palestinians. This collectivity is founded upon an ideological meta-history that Israelis are exposed to already as small children: The Holocaust as the lesson that our enemies seek to exterminate us, no one will do anything except us, and we – not the weak who failed to defend themselves, but the strong who survived – must prevent this at all costs. This myth becomes the measure of things, and Israel for most Israelis is the only counterbalance to a world saturated with fear, hardship and hatred. The Palestinians are dehumanized; they are no longer humans like you and me, but are rather ‘Arabs’, which to the racist means – people that cannot be trusted, who would kill us if they have a chance, who want to see us eradicated. The commonplace stereotypical view of Arabs in Israel is just as racist, violent and full of bigotry as the view of some anti-Semites in relation to Jews. The number of hate crimes against Arabs, in some parts of Israel and throughout the occupied territories, is very high, although many if not most are untreated and unrecognized by the authorities.

      During the last ‘non-war’ on Gaza the Israeli extreme right took control of the public discourse. This was a watershed moment: A line was crossed and most people in Israel chose to conform to the violent rhetoric and actions of the extreme-right, agreeing to the delegitimizing of the left while enthusiastically and blindly supporting a manufactured war, brewed to the calculus of a cynical political leadership. I find particularly amusing the fact that the derogatory term “Sleepwalking Left” that until the last two years had been used in public discourse to label all of those left-wing people who think that the conflict is in fact an occupation, exploitation and even a crime against humanity as moonstruck, was replaced with the term “Extreme Left,” which posits the Israeli left as possessing a violent reactionary nature equaling that of people from the extreme-right who rejoice in burning a Palestinian boy alive as an act of “revenge” or at least want to see a third Jewish temple being erected on top of the ruins of the Al-Aqsa mosque. This is a new stage in the development of a fascistic political language that increasingly excludes the left from the legitimate public discourse, gradually but effectively silencing it. This language is at the center, in the mainstream, and it becomes increasingly more extreme.

      The vast majority of the Israeli public elects to give power to people who intentionally and actively demolish any possibility of a political solution to the occupation except the creation of an apartheid state….

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      • Thanks Brian. I think I read somewhere that the dept. of education is planning to introduce the holocaust to 1st graders. It’s interesting that as much as the holocaust is the sacred cow (not to mention cash cow) for the GOI. I think there is real disdain for the millions who perished and a way beyond irrational fear among young people, who are 3 and 4 generations removed, that another holocaust is right around the corner. The policy of shoot first and maybe ask some questions later I think is a manifestation of this irrational fear and morbid preoccupation with the holocaust. Thanks to the GOI, who’ve done nothing but fan the flames, we can’t even speak to each other anymore, everything becomes a shouting, name-calling, slander fest. People are being called traitors for goodness sake, African asylum seekers are called the very ugly “infiltrators” and a “cancer”, but that’s another sad tale. The people who are defending the GOI and its practices can’t even separate themselves from the GOI. I was born in the US and lived most of my life there. If someone speaks ill about the US government, they aren’t talking about me unless they use my name. Many israelis and about 99% of zionists can’t see the GOI and themselves as separate entities, nor separate judaism from zionism or anti-semitism from honest criticism of the GOI and its apartheid policies. So much damage to be undone. Thanks again for posting Brian –

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        • Gustav

          What? No quote of me saying what you claim I said, Marnie dear?

          What a surprise. You were just on autopilot when you made your assertion, weren’t you Marnie?

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    13. Hey Gustav – “Jew-hater” was a generalization, you’ve done that yourself haven’t you – generalize I mean? I’ve been called a few things, they kind of boil down to the same thing. You’ve probably used these words yourself (I said probably now, don’t hold me to this), words like anti-semite, anti-israel, extreme lefties, worm, etc.

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      • Gustav

        So now you make me guilty about what in your opinion I probably said but you never heard me say?

        Are you a comedian Marnie? You really are on auto pilot aren’t you?

        Suggestion: argue with me about what I ACTUALLY say or said. Don’t argue with me about what a “typical me” says.

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    14. Gustav

      For the record. This is what transpired between me and Marnie …

      Marnie:”“These are people?”

      Gustav:”Take this worm Marnie for example and his (I should have said her) comment:

      “These are people?”

      And yes, you are right. Now I too have dehumanized him (her) but note who acted first and who is reacting.”

      Marnie:” …. it is ultimately for the best that you just fuck off”

      Gustav:”Ooh I am shocked. Not very lady like Marnie dear.”

      Marnie:”The constant baiting of Jew-hatred is bullshit. It’s inflammatory”

      I then challenged her to show me where I called her a “Jew hater”. She is obviously stumped because all she can come up with is BS.

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      • No one cares Gustav, I think even including you. You want the last word, I’m prepared to let you have it after this. We all make generalizations, and you’d be lying if you said we don’t. You insist on continuing this bullshit to what end? What are your demands? An apology? I’ve done that already, but all that seems to have done is make me look weak and a fool in your eyes. You want me to kiss your ass, admit defeat, get on my knees and bow to your superiority? After all this folderol, I have a tiny inkling of what it’s been like for John Kerry or Barack Obama to try and deal with an israeli that is so far to the right he’s back at the left. It’s impossible to communicate because you don’t want to do that -one must kowtow and never disagree or be angered by something you say, no matter how insulting you are. I’m sure you will carry this on and on and you go right ahead, enjoy. However, I see no need to respond to anything further you have to say. And I’m pretty sure Gustav, that with the exception of a few of your fellow travelers, no one else gives a damn.

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    15. Gustav

      I just want you to start talking about the issues seriously. Not perpetrate third rate propaganda.

      No, I don’t want to humiliate you unless you set out to diminish what we have to say. Which is exactly what started me off. You literally dismissed us as non humans and you insisted that unless we leave this site we are fair game.

      So how exactly did you expect me to react? Throw flowers at you?

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    16. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • Gustav

        “LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

        See dearie? That’s why I’ll say the last word. Even if you say you don’t care.

        But really, we both know that you do. It just pisses you off to the inside of your bones.

        And I am NOT going away, LOL.

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    17. I don’t care what you do. I don’t hate you. But seriously, do you think I’ve never dealt with men like you before? Believe me baby, you ain’t the first.

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      • Gustav

        I am sure you dealt with lots of men before. You come across as a very experienced woman. Nudge, nudge, wink wink …

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        • Not if you were the last man on earth.

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          • Gustav

            “The lady” doth protest too much methinks. Go on dearie, admit it. You have a soft spot for me.

            Nah, just kidding. I would not go near you to within a 10 foot pole even if I wouldn’t be happily married, which I am. There are other reasons too dearie but I’ll leave it at that, lest I would offend your new found beau, Brian. And of course I wouldn’t want to do that, would I? Nah, not much, LOL.

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        • Brian

          Just like Ya’alon and his chickenshit PM, an offensive gratuitous insult by a punk.

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      • Gustav

        “you ain’t the first …”

        Now, now, Marnie, no need to brag.

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        • Brian

          I wasn’t going to bother because as Marnie says, no one cares, you really take yourself way too seriously Gustav. But after the cheap insult above to her, here goes. Your obsessive, extremely petty compiling of he-said-she-said says more about your character than the details within it, details no one cares to track nearly as much as you think. Whether she meant YOU or not when she decried “the constant baiting of Jew-hatred” I am not sure and I’m not going back to search it down one way or the other but she can be forgiven if she mixed you up with your ideological allies hereabouts because almost all they do is pour out a “constant baiting of Jew-hatred” which I take to mean a constant accusation that any center-to-left thought has its roots in Jew-hatred. This is the ever-present rhetorical device here, a calumny that never stops. Eis-Woman is certainly the craziest practitioner of this–a hate-filled lunatic–capable of publicly inviting a person to hang herself and advising the best way to drown herself–but several others do it to.

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          • Gustav

            Brian

            And do you think I care what YOU think or say?

            You too are a biased obsessive little hater who takes himself too seriously commenting here 10 times a day every day yet your hateful girlfriend and your new found friend Benny had nothing but words of praise for you while they questioned who our paymasters are. But no, they are not biased to their eyeballs.

            Oh and by the way, I still have strong suspicions that you and MB (poopsie) are one and the same. If I am right, then you disqualified yourself from tut tutting me for being rude to your rude girlfriend.

            Easy stomach, hypocrisy is live and well amongst the extremist lefties of this site. I am here to shine a light on it everytime I see it. Like it or lump it Brian dear …

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          • Brian

            There’s medication for that.

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          • Gustav

            Medication for not caring what you think or say?

            Yea you are right. You better take it so you don’t think that you are so important.

            The medication will help you control your illusions of grandeur.

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