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PHOTOS: Anti-Zionists join rally against anti-Semitism in Berlin

Our joint Jewish-Palestinian-German protest confused participants at the rally against anti-Semitism, and definitely confused the German police. We wanted to chip away at the automatic linkage between Jews and the State of Israel.

Text by Inna Michaeli
Photos by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org

Demonstration against anti-Semitism and all racism in Berlin, September 14, 2014. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Demonstration against anti-Semitism and all racism in Berlin, September 14, 2014. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

BERLIN — By the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin on Sunday, some 3,000 people rallied against anti-Semitism, at the initiative of the Central Council of Jews in Germany. As promised, German Chancellor Angela Merkel gave a speech. Many in the crowd were touched by her declaration of historical responsibility for the crimes of the past, and for ensuring that Jews are welcome in Germany.

We also came to the march — around 100 activists, a lot of Jews, Germans, Palestinians and others, and no small number of Israelis. We demonstrated with banners reading: “No to attacks on synagogues and mosques in Berlin and in Gaza”, “anti-Semitism ≠ anti-Zionism”, and some of the Israelis in the crowd carried a sign reading, “Merkel, give us German passports, not weapons.”

Israelis demand Merkel for German passports, September 14, 2014. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Israelis demand Merkel for German passports, September 14, 2014. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel speaks at the demonstration against anti-Semitism, September 14, 2014. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel speaks at the demonstration against anti-Semitism, September 14, 2014. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

The goal of the non-Zionist bloc was to show that we exist as Jews and others, who oppose anti-Semitism and all racism, and who reject the automatic linkage between Jews and the State of Israel. Indeed, it was evident that the bloc’s presence sparked many discussions — not only between us and the other marchers, but also among the other groups. Along with hostile reactions, demands that we leave and those doubting the Jewishness of the Jews among us, many of us had open and positive discussions.

The police were pretty confused. They came and listened to our slogans through their walkie talkies and tried to understand whether we were for or against. The police officers stressed that they were in no way asking us to leave but when some of us made it to the middle of the march, the officers asked us to move to the sides. There were some participants who insisted on our right to be in the middle of it all, and that the rally was ours too.

Anti-Zionist Jews in Berlin, September 14, 2014. The sign reads: “Jews against Zionism and anti-Semitism”. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Anti-Zionist Jews in Berlin, September 14, 2014. The sign reads: “Jews against Zionism and anti-Semitism”. (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Demonstration against anti-Semitism and all racism in Berlin, September 14, 2014. The sign reads: “Warning! Anti-Semitism, racism and Islamophobia are dangerous to the public!” (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Demonstration against anti-Semitism and all racism in Berlin, September 14, 2014. The sign reads: “Warning! Anti-Semitism, racism and Islamophobia are dangerous to the public!” (Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

This article was first published on +972′s Hebrew-language sister site, Local Call. Read it in Hebrew here.

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    1. Richard

      The sign conflating anti-Semitism and Islamophobia is dishonest and cynical and shameful. If you want to leave Israel because you’re not Zionist, that’s your business, but you should seek psychological help if you also feel it necessary to take part in the campaign to degrade and destroy the right of the people you left behind to defend themselves.

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      • Ya'ar

        Is Islamophobia a necessary tool for the people of the State of Israel to defend themselves? Do you maintain that this state is built upon fear and hatred of Muslims? It seems to me that you are smearing that state’s name in a far worse way than those demonstrators.

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        • Richard

          You don’t seem to understand my comment.

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      • Peter

        Israel is not defending itself, it is occupying Palestine, please stop with this ridiculous argument. Killing 2000 gazans with the most destructive modern weapons is genocide….

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        • Richard

          You need help understanding what words mean.

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          • Martin

            @Rochard, you need help with ethics when you defend an oppressor killing people.

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      • Joe

        Leaving Israel (yerida) is something that LOTS of Jews have already done. There are 1.2 million Israelis living in the US alone, and the number of Israeli expats may be close to 2 million.

        You don’t have to be crazy to want to leave a sinking ship.

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    2. bor

      Perhaps the author could explain the significant uptick in recent antisemitic attacks in Europe (and elsewhere) if antisemitism and anti-Zionism are not the same? Did it magically happen that precisely as the media was misreporting the Gaza operation, that Europe erupted in attacks on Jews? Couldn’t they just find a few Zionists to attack?

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      • Tomer

        this is exactly the thing. the attacks in the last two months happened since people falsely mistake both for the same.

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      • Philos

        One explanation is that Zionism and the State of Israel have successfully usurped Jewish identity so that many people readily make the connection between Zionism and Israel, and Jewish identity.

        Not that any of this will make sense to you but it seems to be the most plausible reason. I mean, you have PM Netanyahu on a regular basis speaking in the name of all Jewish people around the world without a single official body raising its voice to say, “We didn’t vote for you, you’re not the King of the Jews and you’re not the High Priest of the Temple. You’re the Prime Minister of Israel and Chairman of the Zionist Likud Party. Speak on their behalf, not ours.”

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        • Kolumn8

          Many used to/still readily make a connection between communism, capitalism, liberalism, cosmopolitanism, multi-culturalism etc,etc,etc and Jewish identity. There were Jews that touted these connections as well. Jews were at various times persecuted for each of these. These are all quite apparently now accepted as anti-Semitic in nature. Any persecution of Jews for what other Jews might be doing is anti-Semitic. It is a shame that some Jews continue to justify or excuse any such sentiments for their own political reasons.

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        • bor

          Philos, it doesn’t matter that you excuse the antisemitism by claiming that Zionist Jews present their beliefs about Israel in a manner with which you disagree. It’s still an excuse for violence against Jews on the basis of their being Jewish.

          However, I find it fascinating to see that you’re excusing the far right in Europe and its intentions regarding European Muslims. After all, ISIS says daily that they are the new caliphate. Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood as well as numerous political leaders such as the king of Saudi, the president of Egypt, the leaders of Iran, etc. continually proclaim their adherence to Islam and the Islamic nature of their societies with their vile human rights records and support for terrorism.

          Presumably you believe then that “Muslim political and religious leaders and groups, not to mention real-live terrorists, have successfully usurped Muslim identity so that many people readily make the connection between these Muslims, and Muslim identity.”

          Right?

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          • Felix Reichert

            Nope. No.

            It’s not an excuse.
            It’s an explanation.

            Critical difference, that you’ll surely have trouble to understand.

            “Presumably you believe then that ‘Muslim political and religious leaders and groups, not to mention real-live terrorists, have successfully usurped Muslim identity so that many people readily make the connection between these Muslims, and Muslim identity.’

            Right?”

            Sadly, this is exactly the case.

            Now combine that with a lack of education and critical thinking within the European and Israeli masses (regarding Islam and Islamophobia), and the Muslim masses (in Europe and Muslim-majority societies) as well (regarding Judaism and Anti-Semitism), and you’re exactly at the right juncture.

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          • Felix Reichert

            And let’s not forget that there is A LOT more dissident voices by official Muslim bodies against the leaders of so called Islamic movements (and/or states), than there is of official Jewish bodies against the leaders of so called Zionist movements (and/or the one Zionist state).

            So your whole comparison is obviously and clearly critically flawed.

            And how the fuck did anyone excuse the violence of far right Europeans against Muslims? Quote please.

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          • bor

            You managed to contradict yourself in a single comment. Congrats.

            But let’s ignore that, shall we? Instead, will you kindly provide a citation for the “lack of education and critical thinking within the …Israeli masses (regarding Islam and Islamophobia)?”

            You do realize that 20% of Israel is Arab non-Jewish and over 50% of Israel’s Jewish population are either first, second or third generation refugees from Arab and Muslim lands, right? You do understand that many of them still speak Arabic fluently or at least with some proficiency, yes? That’s without getting into the Israeli population’s relatively high level of education in general, not to mention their constant interaction with Muslims, Muslim armies and Muslim politicians.

            As for Europe’s ignorance, that’s changing rapidly. For example, in just the past two years England has learned all about 5 large “Asian” sex grooming rings, schools being overtaken by Muslims who change the curriculum to suit their objectives, Jihadists on their streets beheading people randomly, and Jihadists from their streets traveling to Iraq and Syria to behead opponents – all of these folks being home-grown Muslims. Very soon, therefore, you won’t be able to claim the Brits are ignorant. Of course, British Muslims are not being attacked in anywhere near the number of attacks being inflicted on the much smaller population of Jews. Strange, huh? Do you suppose that is because the ignorance of the antisemitic “Muslim masses” (to use your terms) ends up with a very different face than the other side’s despite your attempt to equate them?

            By the way, I loved the way you tried to claim that Jews have nowhere near as much internal opposition to Zionism as there is Muslim opposition to, say, Islamist regimes. Are you insane or just a liar? Are you aware that you’re claiming this while you’re on a magazine run by Jewish Israelis writing in English specifically to attack Israel outside of Israel. Are you aware that you’re equating, just as a single example, a country that doesn’t let its women drive, prevents non-Muslims from driving on the same roads as Muslims and which cuts off the arms of thieves to a country whose women have more rights than any in the Middle East? Too funny.

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        • DMV

          Brilliantly put. Bravo

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      • Alon

        That’s much easier than you evidently assume. Anti-semitism and anti-zionism are not the same, but they are linked – mainly for two reasons: (1) because Zionists insist on conflating Judaism, Jewishness and Zionism; and, (2) because they continue to carry out acts of repression, oppression and aggression that virtually the whole of the rest of the world recognises to be violations of international humanitarian law if not war crimes – and they continue to carry out those acts in the name of all Jews (possibly excluding the “self-hating” ones, although that isn’t entirely or always clear). European anti-semitism has a long and disgusting history and continues to be a reality, and and none of the above should be taken to let anyone off the hook for it. At the same time, it’s completely counter-productive to ignore the fact that the deliberate actions of powerful Zionists and much of the Israeli state, as described above, are a significant contributing factor to the current outbreaks of European anti-semitism.

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        • bor

          As I’ve pointed out to Philos, you have to decide whether the attackers are attacking Zionists or Jews. If they are attacking Jews, which they are, then all of your excuses as to why they are fall flat. After all, these Jews may or may not be Zionists. That’s presuming that you accept that anybody should be threatened and attacked in this way.

          …”none of the above should be taken to let anyone off the hook for it.”

          Of course it is. That’s why we had to hear the litany of supposed crimes and supposed violations of humanitarian laws. You are justifying the violence. Do you justify violence against, say, European Muslims (there’s less of it then there is against Jews, by the way, despite the fact that Muslims in Europe outnumber Jews 45:1) because of what’s happening in most of their 57 countries?

          “At the same time, it’s completely counter-productive to ignore the fact that the deliberate actions of powerful Zionists and much of the Israeli state, as described above, are a significant contributing factor to the current outbreaks of European anti-semitism.”

          So you are justifying it, just not “letting anyone off the hook for it.”

          “Powerful Zionists.” Where have I heard similar language before? Hmmm…

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          • Felix Reichert

            In an AIPAC meeting?

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          • bor

            Thank you for proving my point.

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          • Alon

            So which of the following do you dispute: (1) that there are powerful Zionists; (2) that they attempt to advance the project of Zionism; or, (3) that the project of Zionism is based on the idea that Israel is the state of the Jews?

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          • bor

            “So which of the following do you dispute: (1) that there are powerful Zionists; (2) that they attempt to advance the project of Zionism; or, (3) that the project of Zionism is based on the idea that Israel is the state of the Jews?”

            I deny that “the deliberate actions of powerful Zionists and much of the Israeli state, as described above, are a significant contributing factor to the current outbreaks of European anti-semitism.”

            I’m also reminding you that you’re using precisely the same language used against Jews historically and before Israel was created to find fault with “Zionists.”

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          • Alon

            “I’m also reminding you that you’re using precisely the same language used against Jews historically and before Israel was created to find fault with “Zionists.””

            No, you aren’t “reminding” me of anything; you are trying to smear reasonable critical discourse with the brush of antisemitism. Whether intentionally or not, you are perpetuating obfuscation and fear rather than clarity and understanding. If you were interested in clarity and understanding, you would not accuse me of using “precisely the same language used against Jews historically”, because that’s inflammatory. If that were a one-off instance, one could chalk it up to heated passions and entertain the possibility that you are nevertheless interested in reasoned discourse. But the pattern of your comments shows pretty conclusively that you are not.

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          • bor

            “No, you aren’t “reminding” me of anything; you are trying to smear reasonable critical discourse with the brush of antisemitism.”

            No, this discussion is about the severely blurred line between Zionism and antisemitism and what you keep on ignoring are the numerous parallels that we see in how both Jews and Zionists are described and treated. You seek to evade this by blaming it on Zionists (conflating Judaism with…aggression, oppression repression…).

            “Whether intentionally or not, you are perpetuating obfuscation and fear rather than clarity and understanding.”

            On the contrary. Those who deny the blurred lines are perpetuating obfuscation. Those who use descriptions such as yours to describe Israel and its political situation are those who are obfuscating. Instead of “oppression, aggression and repression,” for example, you couldn’t have noted that Israel “defends, seeks to improve the quality of life and offers autonomy and statehood” to the Palestinians? I can demonstrate all of those. If you were serious about your claims, then you would avoid the language of propaganda that serves as the basis for many attacks on Jews today and deal with facts.

            and As for fear, go to some European cities wearing a kipa and let us know how that works out for you. You’ll get some clarity mighty quickly.

            “If you were interested in clarity and understanding, you would not accuse me of using “precisely the same language used against Jews historically”, because that’s inflammatory.”

            The facts are inflammatory. You should be ashamed. As synagogues burn or are bombarded, as Jews walking down the street are attacked, as Jews inside museums are shot dead, as antisemitic tropes gather steam on the streets, on campuses and in the media, particularly Jewish people who read the news, as presumably you do, should perhaps stop with the anti-Israel activism and take a good look at themselves and their fellow travelers. You are facilitating the antisemitism. “Powerful Zionists” indeed. “Oppression, aggression and repression” indeed.

            There are no Jews left in Europe and the ones that are there are facing the 1930s all over again and you want to talk about “powerful Zionists?”

            “If that were a one-off instance, one could chalk it up to heated passions and entertain the possibility that you are nevertheless interested in reasoned discourse. But the pattern of your comments shows pretty conclusively that you are not.”

            Ah, I get it. You get to use antisemitic tropes and then when you’re challenged, you say “But I meant Zionists, not Jews, and I’m just explaining what Israelis really do to Palestinians and you’re not, therefore you’re not interested in a reasoned discourse.”

            Great logic. Except that it won’t work. You want a reasoned debate? Why don’t you begin with the fact that many anti-Israel activists purposely dip into antisemitic generalities when attacking Israel. That it is THEY who conflate Judaism with Zionism in a manner that leads to violence against Jews?

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          • Alon

            Sorry, too many misrepresentations of what I’ve written for me to waste any more time engaging with you. Feel free to try again if and when you’re serious about having a dialogue rather than an argument.

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    3. The world has conflated Israel and Judaism for many decades. It is up to we Jews to loudly say we are not one and the same. Israel is hurting Judaism.

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      • bor

        So other people’s vile hatred of Jews should lead the millions of Zionist Jews to disavow their Judaism? Or did you mean that the non-Zionist Jews need to disavow Israel in order to make sure that just the Zionist Jews get attacked?

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        • Felix Reichert

          Bor, how exactly do you explain the soaring anti-German recism in the US during WW1 and WW2? Just asking.

          And by explaining it, however you may do so, do you at the same time “excuse” it?

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          • bor

            I didn’t realize the world was at war with Israel or that Israel attempted to conquer the Middle East.

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          • santiago

            Is the war on terrorism not a war, then?
            Is the ocupation of Palestinian territories not an attempt to conquer (at least, part of) the Middle East?

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          • bor

            “Is the ocupation of Palestinian territories not an attempt to conquer (at least, part of) the Middle East?”

            So you’d like to compare conquering a disputed territory of 200 sq. miles to the attempted conquest of Europe?

            Sinai alone, which Israel returned to Egypt, is three times the size of Israel.

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    4. Tomer

      The so-called anti-zionists are a motley bunch of communists, selfhaters and mentally deranged misfits. That’s why only about 100 people in the entire great city of Berlin turned up at your demonstration.

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      • sam

        as opposed to the 100,000 that turned up 6 consecutive weeks in the UK. from all walks of life, white, black, asian, jews, muslims, sikhs.. and it did more then you think!
        #boycottisreal

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        • Kolumn8

          They can protest all they want. Iran can get millions into the streets to chant ‘death to Israel’.

          We have this state so that we don’t have to care about the protests of people calling for our blood. We can and will defend ourselves in our homeland. The rest of you could get stuffed.

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        • bor

          Congratulations. You’ve brought the Arab anti-Israel protest culture into your world. Enjoy.

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    5. Gustav

      Good luck with the demos. It is a waste of time. Once an antiSemite, always an antiSemite.

      AntiSemitism is an incurable diseaese. It gives it’s pathetic sufferers a high. In their minds eye, they feel to be higher in the food chain than at least one group of people. Us, the great unwashed Jews. And noone but noone is going to deprive them of that ‘high’.

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    6. Gustav

      … oh and I forgot to add:

      It gives meaning to their pathetic lives.

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      • MuslimJew

        “It gives meaning to their pathetic lives”.

        No, it gives meaning to your pathetic life, dhimmī.

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    7. Susan

      “Many used to/still readily make a connection between communism, capitalism, liberalism, cosmopolitanism, multi-culturalism etc,etc,etc and Jewish identity. There were Jews that touted these connections as well”

      The problem is that all those forms of Judaism when not connected to some form of Zionism ultimately failed. Jews still need some small space where they can control their own destiny.

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    8. schalom libertad

      If the cause for recent attacks on Jews is due to the conflation by Zionists of Israel with Jews — which Philos and others claim — then why aren’t there also attacks on members of other nationalities for the actions of their leaders or self-declared leaders? It just doesn’t happen. Where are the attacks on Russians for the actions of Putin? Racism of all kinds is not due to over-generalizing, by making the general population group responsible for the actions of the few. The actions of leaders or self-declared ones are often only alibis for repressed racism, that comes out when people feel that their prejudices are justified. This is precisely the case with racism against Muslims and other social groups. Antisemites (and not jews!) are responsible for their own actions.

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      • Inna

        I don’t believe that the recent attacks were only because of that. But Israel claiming it bombs Gaza in the name of all Jews, surely does NOT help. It is surely racist and anti-Semitic to claim that all Jews are behind these crimes. Yet, this is precisely what the Israeli discourse and most leaders of Jewish communities are doing. So yes, anti-Semites are responsible for anti-Semitism, but these anti-Semitic people happen to be Jews.

        Most leaders of Jewish communities, instead of forging good relations with Muslims and other minorities, choose to stick to the hegemonic establishment and mark the Muslims as the enemy.

        For sure, in places like France, with extreme marginalisation of Arab and Muslim youth, these youth take their frustration and anger on the establishment out on the weakest link of this establishment, i.e. Jews, also learning from European history of anti-Semitism that Jews make a good scapegoat. That is obviously wrong, but we have to see how we contribute to this racism ourselves and how we can change it. I should stress again: signing our names under mass-murders of Arab people does not help.

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        • bor

          So when antisemitism happens, it is the fault of the Jews but when people claim that antisemitism is happening, they say they just mean “Zionists” and it’s the “Zionists'” fault even if the attacks seem to be foisted upon all Jews.

          Very convenient.

          Also, it’s indefensible bullshit.

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          • MuslimJew

            “Also, it’s indefensible bullshit.”

            Also, no one’s interested in defending your bullshit straw man.

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          • bor

            Who asked you?

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          • MuslimJew

            “Who asked you?”

            Your schizo straw man.

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          • bor

            Next time remember to take your meds.

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      • Lucy

        There’s a huge rusofobia in Poland. Sadly, there are even restaurants hanging notice that they do not serve russians….

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    9. Louis Hirsch

      Anti semitism is wrong. Anti semetic acts should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But Zionism does not equal Judaism and one can be opposed to Zionism and not be anti Semitic. One can be opposed to the occupation of the West Bank and the imprisonment of the Gazan population and not be Anti-Semitic. It is the oppesion of others and the denial of justice that is the true anti Semitism that plagues Judaism today.

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      • bor

        “Anti semitism is wrong.”

        You should have stopped here.

        “Anti semetic acts should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.”

        Most places don’t have such laws.

        “But Zionism does not equal Judaism and one can be opposed to Zionism and not be anti Semitic.”

        True. Sadly, this discussion is precisely about the fact that in REALITY, this does not happen.

        “One can be opposed to the occupation of the West Bank and the imprisonment of the Gazan population and not be Anti-Semitic.”

        That’s true. One could riot against Egypt, for example, for imprisoning Gazans, but we never see that. One could riot against the PA for missing peace deal after peace deal and spending all of Obama’s two administrations avoiding serious negotiations, but we never see such riots.

        “It is the oppesion of others and the denial of justice that is the true anti Semitism that plagues Judaism today.”

        Obviously, you don’t know what antisemitism means, but let me help you out. Since you feel that oppression of others and denial of justice are something horrific, then obviously, you would riot and complain whenever you see this. Right? You would riot and complain against Turkey, Morocco, China, which all occupy other people; you would riot and complain against ISIS, Boko Haram, Syria, Yemen and Russia; you would riot and complain about Saudi Arabia, Iran and North Korea.

        But you and others don’t. Instead, Israel is targeted. And, what is it that makes Israel different than all these other countries (other than the fact that it is more liberal, more democratic, more tolerant of minorities offers better quality of life, far less violent in repressing its enemies, etc.)? Ah yes, it is the sole country identified as a Jewish one on the planet.

        That is antisemitism. Own your hate.

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        • Vicky

          I have railed at all of them, so why would it be wrong to also rail at the Israeli government for their wrongs. Should Israel be exempt from criticism? I don’t care what any countries religion is, I care about human rights, I care about claiming you want peace and then doing everything it assure there will be no peace between Israel and Palestine. I care about my tax dollars being used to insure that the Palestinians will never have control of their own lands or destiny. I care that The Jewish faith is being tainted by a government that does not even attempt to be righteous.

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          • schalom libertad

            Vicky, No one here is stifling criticism of Israeli policy. Rather, we’re objecting to the accusation that Jews are responsible for antisemitism. The age-old claim that we cause the violence against us. Is it not a basic anti-racist principle to reject this?

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          • Sean

            100% true Vicky. No country, including Israel, and no ideology, philosophy, religion, should be above criticism. We, as the true aware and peace loving people, must not let any country or people for that matter, to get away with their war crimes just because they are this or that. Israel, as a so called Jewish state, does not automatically become entitled to various favours nor being Jewish,in no way makes their negative acts more legitinmate than the opposing side. Our empathy for Gaza people, in no way makes us anti semite, it makes us simply human. Do not be intimidated by such garbage. Israel has been capitalizing on holocaust,anti semite, etc for yrs. and playing at present time, mind you, the victim syndrome very effectively! Holocaust was a shameful act but how about the holocaust that Israel is causing now?!After all, holocaust did not happen to this generation, nor any of them were around for that matter!

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    10. Average American

      Israel was created by Zionists for Zionist goals. Those Zionists were Jews. Israel’s government is Zionist. These Zionists are Jews. Zionism is for the furtherance of Jews (and nobody else). The Jews in Israel seem to agree with the Zionist goals of their government. So yes “Zionist” certainly seems to be the same as “Jewish”.

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      • Gustav

        “Zionism is for the furtherance of Jews (and nobody else).”

        As opposed to Arabism which is dedicated for the furtherance of the well being of everybody else who is not Arab, right?

        Only liars would claim that. And only antiSemites like you blame Jews/Zionists for things which most other people are guilty of too.

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        • Average American

          Gustav – Why does it matter so much to you if other people are doing it? YOU are doing it. It’s still wrong. But I think you are telling me with “blame Jews/Zionists” that “Zionist” is the same as “Jewish”. And telling me by extension Jews adhere to the central goal of Zionism: control all of The Land Of Israel for The Jews.

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          • Gustav

            “Gustav – Why does it matter so much to you if other people are doing it? YOU are doing it.”

            Yep, we do what most other people do. Including Arabs. You think that’s wrong? Why are you only yelling at us? Go yell at the world. Go yell at humanity. Go howl at the moon for all I care. But don’t expect us to be better than anyone else.

            Unless of course you are a racist like many of your fellow Arabs. In which case, I do understand what you are trying to do. Vilify us, while excusing your fellow Arabs for even worse things.

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          • MuslimJew

            “I do understand what you are trying to do. Vilify us, while excusing your fellow Arabs for even worse things”.

            You do understand what your pea-sized brain and your limited intellect allows you to understand.

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        • MuslimJew

          “And only antiSemites like you blame Jews/Zionists for things which most other people are guilty of too”.

          And only brain-dead antiSemites like you blame other people for things that Jews/Zionists are guilty of.

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      • MuslimJew

        “Zionism is for the furtherance of Jews (and nobody else)”.

        Zionism is for the furtherance of whiny white assholes (and nobody else).

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        • Gustav

          “Zionism is for the furtherance of whiny white assholes (and nobody else).”

          Oooooh MuslimJew (whatever) you are soooooopo clever (NOT!) and you are a two bit tinpot racist too. Whiny whites? LOL. Did your mother drop you on your head when you were born?

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    11. Jacob

      I think the anti-Zionists need to articulate clearly just what they stand for. If this was 1920, I would very much be an anti-Zionist, as there was really no moral justification for the mass immigration of Jews into Palestine with the result of displacing the Palestinians. However it is not 1920, it is 2014, and Israel’s creation is not something we can undo (or well, you could, but two wrongs won’t make a right). What we can do is set the historical record straight; if Zionism was immoral then it should be condemned as such, and Israel should be urged to apologize for its past (to say nothing of ending the settlements, which are a continuation of Zionism). At this point, I don’t know what the self-described anti-Zionists think of the two-state solution, but I think it’s less problematic to implement than a binational state. So Israel should withdraw to the 1967 line, work out some compromise regarding the Right of Return, and offer aid to the Palestinians to build up their economy. The Palestinians for their part should renounce terrorism, as well as meet the Israelis in a compromise on the return of refugees.

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      • MuslimJew

        “I think the anti-Zionists need to articulate clearly just what they stand for.”.

        I think the Zionists need to be given enough rope.

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        • schalom libertad

          I guess you have your answer Jacob. Unless, the “respectable” anti-zionists want to argue that their project is something other than genocide?

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          • MuslimJew

            “I guess you have your answer Jacob. Unless, the “respectable” anti-zionists want to argue that their project is something other than genocide?”

            Delusional assholes are not a recognized ethnic, national, racial or religious group.

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    12. David T.

      The state of Southafrica wasn’t undone, it’s Apartheid regime was.

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      • Gustav

        “The state of Southafrica wasn’t undone, it’s Apartheid regime was.”

        Poor David T, keep on having your wet dreams with your SA analogy.

        FACT: South Africa had a majority black population (an overwhelmig majority). So when it came to a democratic election, the apartheid regime had no chance of surviving.

        FACT: Israel has an overwhelming Jewish majority vote. 80% of Israel’s population is Jewish. Only 20% of the voters are Arabs but even amongst them, we have some who support Zionism because they know that they are much better off in our state. As for the Jewish voters, who do you think they will vote for? For someone who will destroy our state? Keep on living in your fantasy world, David dear.

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    13. Susan

      What about the Jews in Israel who are from Northern Africa, Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Iran? Are they whiny white assholes too?

      Being white didn’t help Jews escape the Holocaust. Where did you think those Jews who survived the Holocaust should have gone?
      No one in Europe wanted them.

      PS read my earlier post in the facebook section.

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    14. Let our actions do the talking!

      Amnesty for all.

      Please let me share with you my humble observation;

      The only solution for Palestinian and Israeli conflict is follow and fulfill the prophesy from Ezekiel 37:15-26

      One Nation with One King

      15The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

      16Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

      17And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

      18And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

      19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

      20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

      21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

      22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

      23Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

      Amnesty for all.
      Tell me if I AM wrong?

      Marek Zielinski
      Initiator of http://www.visutech.net/peace365/read-petition.asp

      Let our actions do the talking!

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