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Palestinians in Ramallah protest PA sanctions on Gaza

Thousands of Palestinians demonstrate in central Ramallah, calling for Mahmoud Abbas’ ouster in the face of the Palestinian Authority’s sanctions on the Gaza Strip. Protest organizers say this is only the beginning.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas attends a PLO executive committee meeting in the West Bank city of Ramallah, August 22, 2015. (Flash90)

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas attends a PLO executive committee meeting in the West Bank city of Ramallah, August 22, 2015. (Flash90)

Palestinian protesters marched through the streets of central Ramallah on Sunday to demand that the Palestinian Authority put an end to its sanctions against Gaza, and called for an end to the siege on the Strip.

The protest, organized by local left-wing activists unaffiliated with any specific parties, focused on PA President Mahmoud Abbas. The demonstrators marched from Manara Square in the city center while chanting “Get out, get out Abbas,” along with chants of support for the residents of Gaza.

Upon circling back to Manara Square, the demonstrators say they were surprised to find two anti-Hamas posters. The posters decried the “Hamas coup” in 2007 as the “source of all trouble,” and boasted of the $17 million spent by the PA on Gaza since Hamas took over the Strip.

Despite various reconciliation deals between Fatah and Hamas, and the establishment of a Palestinian unity government in January 2017, since April of last year the Palestinian Authority has placed severe sanctions on the Gaza Strip, including by refusing to pay for the electricity supply from Israel; refusing to pay the tax on diesel intended for Gaza’s power plants, leading to a major electricity crisis; cutting salaries of the PA staff in the Strip, as well as a plan to force PA officials into early retirement; refusing to guarantee medical treatment for seriously ill patients who asked to leave the Strip in order reach hospitals in Israel or the West Bank.

Palestinian police did not arrest a single protester, but journalist Yara Hawari, who was at the demonstration on Sunday, noted “it is possible that they will begin arresting activists in the coming days.”

Arresting protesters that night, Hawari continued, would have would have likely led to an escalation. “The police acted wisely, after all, they do not want to resemble the Israeli police,” she explained, referencing the violent arrests of political activists in Haifa three weeks ago.

But why are they protesting only now? The Great Return March has been ongoing for two-and-a-half months

“This is what the activists in Haifa were wondering: where is Ramallah? Remember that organizing demonstrations requires laying the groundwork for bringing people into the streets. People here are fatigued. The Palestinian Authority has been able to break the popular resistance inside Ramallah, and people are feeling desperate.

Israeli riot police arrest a protester in downtown Haifa during a demonstration against the mass killings in Gaza, May 19, 2018. (Nadine Nashef)

Israeli riot police arrest a protester in downtown Haifa during a demonstration against the mass killings in Gaza, May 19, 2018. (Nadine Nashef)

Is it possible that the anti-government protests in Jordan have brought people out to the streets here?

“It is very possible.”

The protest organizers announced that Sunday’s protest was “only the beginning,” and that additional demonstrations will be held in the coming days.

This article was first published in Hebrew on Local Call. Read it here.

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    1. Brian McDonough

      For those who claim that Hamas has not created, organized, directed, orchestrated and choreographed the Gazan protests, ponder the following:

      https://www.9news.com.au/world/2018/05/17/05/49/hamas-says-most-slain-gaza-protesters-were-its-members

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-caught-at-gaza-fence-hamas-plans-riots-so-people-wont-revolt/

      http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/VIDEO-Captured-terrorist-exposes-Hamas-tactics-on-Gaza-border-556665

      The violent protests of Gaza are the violent protests of Hamas. The violent, murderous Anti-Semitism of Hamas is the violent, murderous Anti-Semitism of Gaza. Gaza is Hamas, Hamas is Gaza. They are one and the same violent, murderous Anti-Semitism.

      The breathtaking stupidity of the Gazans may be appreciated by how very well Hamas actually assists Israel in the destruction of Hamas by its own protests. Israel has a simple four word rule: “approach Border – get shot.” Anyone who stupidly chooses to approach the Border also stupidly chooses, by that stupid act, to be shot: cause = effect; stupid is as stupid does.

      The constant orders by Hamas for Gazans to approach the Border ironically actually are helping Israel against Hamas because those stupid Gazans who choose to approach the Border are injured or killed and, therefore, are eliminated, not only as a possible present threat to Israel, but also eliminated as a possible future threat to Israel. Because they will continue to be eliminated as a present and future threat for as long as the protests continue, the continuation of the protests by Hamas will continue to help Israel reduce future threats since Hamas is slaughtering the ranks of its own alleged “army” by its pathetic protests. Israel does not have to check papers or computer information to determine the present and future threat potential of those Gazans who approach the Border. Israel only has to see which suicidal idiots approach the Border to know their present and future threat potential.

      Stupid is as stupid does, and stupid is Hamas and Gaza for a “Baker’s Dozen” reasons: (1) actually creating for Israel this Darwinian “Natural Selection” of the elimination of present and future Gazan terrorists by Hamas ordering the “Natural Selection” of where Gazans should walk, which enables Israel to eliminate them as future threats; (2) not one Israeli soldier has sustained even one small, shallow paper cut as a result of the protests; (3) in contrast, over 100 deaths and thousands of injuries to Gazans; (4) those few protesters who actually penetrate the Border (and always only a few meters) are either shot or caught or both, which completely destroys Hamas’ alleged great “March of Return” as it truly is a “March of Turn Around” in Gaza; (5) the protests have not changed the daily lives of Gazans in any way whatsoever; (6) the protests had no effect on the May 14 opening of the American Embassy in Jerusalem to which no less than 32 countries accepted an invitation to attend; (7) the protests will have no effect on the recent opening of the Guatemala Embassy and next week’s opening of the Paraguay Embassy in Jerusalem; (8) the protests will have no effect on many other future Embassies in Jerusalem; (9) the protests had no effect on the lives of the people of Israel; (10) the protests attest to the completely destructive governance of Gaza by Hamas since it took power in 2006; (11) the protests corroborate the utterly failed policies and promises of Hamas to Gazans since Hamas was established in 1986; (12) the protests prove the terrible stupidity of the people of Gaza to follow Hamas; and (13) finally, there never ever shall be a “Return,” no matter how many suicide bombings, car rammings, Ambassador withdrawals, stabbings, kite bombs, BDS boycotts, tunnel attacks, protests, rockets, bad media attention, drive by shootings, kidnappings, no matter how many anything – – there never ever shall be a “Return.”

      This recent article says it all: the stupid Gazans were conned by Hamas to be suicide victims for Hamas:

      http://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/they-deceived-us-gazans-say-protests-gained-less-than-zero-and-hamas-is-partly-to-blame

      Furthermore, one solitary Gazan recently set himself on fire, not to protest against Israel, but to PROTEST AGAINST Hamas. More Gazans slowly shall turn against Hamas and shall demand that the Palestine Authority have sole and exclusive authority in Gaza, thereby dismantling both Hamas and Islamic State:

      https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5265746,00.html

      https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/246223

      Stupid is – as stupid does.

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      • Bruce Gould

        @Brian: Larry Derfner responds:

        https://forward.com/opinion/402888/israels-propaganda-war-cant-hide-the-harsh-reality-of-123-0-gaza-killing/?attribution=author-article-listing-1-headline

        (you may need to clear cookies in order to open this)

        The hasbara line is that this is purely a Hamas production: Hamas is “pushing” Gazan civilians to the front to risk their lives against IDF sharpshooters, who are only firing in defense of Israel’s borders….

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        • Ben

          Excellent piece by our friend Larry. It shoots down (verbally, legally, and without ‘expanding’ hunting ammunition) every Israeli right wing hasbara line about Gaza.

          “…There’s a contradiction here, which tends to happen when you’re making up line after line of nonsense…”

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          • Ido

            Ridiculous lies with little relation to reality. The only thing it “shoots down” is the credibility of our friend Larry.

            Some of his lies: ” Are most of the protesters really Hamasniks” – that’s not what was said, it was said that most of the people who were shot were members of Hamas, as admitted by Hamas themselves.
            “The hasbara line is that this is purely a Hamas production: Hamas is “pushing” Gazan civilians to the front to risk their lives” – Hamas is on record doing so, in social media, with payment incentives, literally asking the protesters to violently breach the border.
            “They’re putting themselves in mortal danger simply by showing up” – lie. Those who didn’t riot or were near the borders were not harmed, tens of thousands of them.
            “it’s a calculated act by Hamas to try to kill Jews and destroy the Jewish state” – Hamas, literally their leaders, are on record saying exactly that. This is their openly stated goal. The guy lives under a rock ?
            “So which is it? Are most of the protesters really Hamasniks” – no one said that , he’s lying.
            “God forbid, break through it into Israeli territory must be shot because if he gets through, he’s liable to kill or kidnap soldiers” – oh yes, those armed Hamas/Islamic Jihad units hiding among the protesters were only coming to deliver flowers. If he thinks Israel should have allowed the rioters to breach the border he’s crazy.
            “In fact, numerous Gazans have gotten through the fence into Israel since the protests began, and they’ve done zero harm to Israeli life or property” – could be because they were immediately caught ?

            He’s ignoring Hamas sent women and children to be human shields, as I proved to you before (which you ignored of course), He’s ignoring Hamas paying protesters, telling them to bring weapons, the violent riots at the border, how the majority of protesters, who didn’t riot at the border were not hurt, etc.
            He’s completely ignoring what the Hamas leader in Gaza himself said about the goals of the “Return March”: The plan was “to take down the border and tear out their (Israelis) hearts from their bodies” (quote from Sinwar himself).
            For example: The number of people killed on the day the U.S. Embassy was moved to Jerusalem, was 61 (62 including the lie of a dead baby killed by Israel, later even Hamas admitted it was a lie). According to Haaretz, about 2,770 were wounded, of these an estimated 1,350 from live ammunition. This means that 95 percent of those hit by snipers were neutralized without being killed, despite the smoke, noise and pandemonium.
            Of the 61 killed, about 50, according to Hamas themselves, were members of that organization (which is not to say that there were no members of other military organizations among the remaining 11).
            At the end he seems to be lamenting the fact that no Israeli soldiers were hurt or killed, as if the number of casualties on the Israeli side is relevant or indicating morality. It’s always amusing to me to read this biased liars who seem to be distressed that there not enough dead Jews.

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      • Hai Bar

        Your choice of words (conciously or unconciously) reflects an outdated pure Racist mindset. I congratulate you and congratulate your Zionist background with your mere existence. You’re actually shedding light on how obviously racist Zionism and it’s mouth-pieces are.

        “Stupid Gazans”; “those Gazans”; “Gaza is Hamas”; “Hamas is Gaza”; “Darwinian Natural Selection”; “stupidity of Gazans”.

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    2. Bruce Gould

      Actually, I’m with the top brass of the IDF – I can’t figure out why the graduates of Hasbara U refuse to listen to them. Retired general Giora Eiland (quoted in Derfner’s piece) has interesting things to say:

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-general-i-dont-know-what-idf-could-do-if-300000-try-to-trample-gaza-fence/

      “But you need a carrot and a stick. We had three years to fashion a carrot…with the de facto agreement of the Israeli government to have the international community [rehabilitate Gaza]build houses, desalination plants…the Hamas government would have a lot to lose. Three years ago the last major conflict exploded because they had nothing to lose…”

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      • Ben

        I think I got it figured out. The last thing the graduates actually want is a peaceful solution. They secretly cherish “terror” by Islamist bogeymen as an all-purpose excuse to keep the Palestinians divided, corrupt and dysfunctional (Israel created Hamas, it does not want to tame its own creation, just keep it on a leash—not too long, not too short) and keep the dispossession and land grab going. Ariel Sharon was quite frank about this as his reason for pulling settlers out of Gaza while continuing the siege of Gaza.

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        • Ido

          “The last thing the graduates actually want is a peaceful solution” – sure, that’s why their country offered multiple peace agreements to the Palestinians, a couple backed by the US. The ones who openly call for the elimination of Israel and openly say they don’t consider Israel as a legitimate country and see all of Israel, from the River to the Sea, as theirs are both Palestinian leadership factions as I proved to you multiple times including evidence of them literally saying it to your face.
          “They secretly cherish “terror” by Islamist bogeymen” – amazing. So in your twisted version of reality Islamic Jihadist terrorists organizations like Hamas and Islamic Jihad, who are responsible for multiple attacks on Israelis, are not actually terrorists ? and Israel cherishes them ? unbelievable. Textbook terrorists who openly call for the elimination of Israel and the murder of Jews are nothing to be bothered about. This is literally crazy.
          “as an all-purpose excuse to keep the Palestinians divided, corrupt and dysfunctional” – you’re blaming Israel for the inner tribal conflict of the Palestinians ? nothing to do with Hamas refusing to put down their arms and submit to Fatah, right ? nothing to do with a power struggle between 2 rival terrorist groups on control (and lots of aid money) of the PA ? you’re blaming their corruption on Israel ? are you nuts ? this is ridiculous.
          “Israel created Hamas, it does not want to tame its own creation” – and we have another lie. Israel didn’t create Hamas, this seems to be a popular propaganda lie among pro-Palestinians. Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas, the organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement from the 1920’s in Egypt.
          Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia. This “Israel created Hamas” lie probably originated with the PLO
          which was convinced Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not first see it as a serious short-term threat.
          “and keep the dispossession and land grab going” – right, by handing all of Gaza to the Palestinians and offering to withdraw from 95% of the West Bank(the rest in land swap) as part of a peace agreement.
          “Ariel Sharon was quite frank about this as his reason for pulling settlers out of Gaza while continuing the siege of Gaza” – some more lies, there was no ‘continuing the siege of Gaza’ after the Gaza withdrawal in 2005. The blockade began in 2007 as a response to the attacks on Israel from Gaza.
          Basically the only true thing in your post is your name. Which is quite impressive.

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          • Ben

            Of course Israeli authorities did not all by themselves create Hamas, but they actively enabled its rise, seeing this outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood as a useful counterweight to the PLO.

            Calling everything on earth a lie is not an effective argument. But if you are going to persist in doing that, and you will, could you please do it less verbosely? You could just say “Lie!” A one word post. Or if you really want to get carried away and really express your inner self fully: “You lie!” Two words. Nice and succinct. Thanks.

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          • Ido

            “Calling everything on earth a lie is not an effective argument” – not everything, only what I can provide evidence for, like your post. For example when you wrote “Israel created Hamas” which is a blatant lie.That was amusing backtracking. You ignored all the rest of your lies of course.
            “You could just say “Lie!” A one word post” – providing the reasoning for calling your lies a lie is a lot more entertaining.

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          • Ben

            But it wasn’t a blatant lie, it was an inaccuracy or oversimplification that I simply acknowledged and corrected. I should originally have said “Israel helped create Hamas,” not “Israel created Hamas.” Likewise, “Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas…” is an inaccuracy or oversimplification and you should have said “Israel had something but not everything to do with the creation of Hamas….” See how that works? Non-black-and-white thinking, and mature responses. Why don’t you try it for a change?

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          • Ido

            “But it wasn’t a blatant lie, it was an inaccuracy or oversimplification that I simply acknowledged and corrected” – it was very blatant, you made a simple accusation. Which is a simple lie.
            “I should originally have said Israel helped create Hamas” – Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The organization’s leaders were inspired by the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement founded in
            Egypt in 1928. Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheik Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities
            and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.
            Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of
            the people through its charitable and educational activities. The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first,
            Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.
            The unintended consequence was to strengthen radical Islamists. Hamas certainly didn’t believe it was being supported by Israel.
            Israel’s assistance was more passive than active, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. So you can say that Israel “helped” passively create today’s Hamas the same way the US created Daesh and the civil war in Syria/Iraq by not doing anything to stop it and creating a power vacuum inadvertently.

            “See how that works?” – sure, I see you lied and now you’re backtracking. I also see how you completely ignored the rest of your lies.
            “Why don’t you try it for a change?” – why don’t you try responding the the countless of posts proving in detail how you’re a clueless liar who has no idea what he’s talking about ?
            https://972mag.com/idf-refuses-to-say-what-its-doing-to-avoid-killing-more-journalists/135948/

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          • Ido

            (edited, take #4): “But it wasn’t a blatant lie, it was an inaccuracy or oversimplification that I simply acknowledged and corrected” – it was very blatant, you made a simple accusation. I pointed out it was a lie which it is.
            “I should originally have said Israel helped create Hamas” – Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas, their guiding ideology or the countries who funded them.

            Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The organization’s leaders were inspired by the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement founded in Egypt in 1928. Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheik Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities. Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future and they focused on charitable and educational activities. The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat.
            The unintended consequence was to strengthen radical Islamists. Hamas certainly didn’t believe it was being supported by Israel, Israel didn’t create Hamas, Israel didn’t invent the Hamas ideology and Israel didn’t fund Hamas.
            Israel’s assistance was more passive than active, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. So you can say that Israel “helped” passively create today’s Hamas the same way the US created the terrorists and the civil war in Syria/Iraq by not doing anything or creating a power vacuum inadvertently.
            However Israel did not create Hamas which is what you claimed, that is a lie.

            “See how that works?” – sure, I see you lied and now you’re backtracking. I also see how you completely ignored the rest of your lies. Again.
            “Why don’t you try it for a change?” – why don’t you responding the the countless of posts proving in detail how you’re a clueless liar who has no idea what he’s talking about ?
            https://972mag.com/idf-refuses-to-say-what-its-doing-to-avoid-killing-more-journalists/135948/

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      • Ido

        Maybe the situation in Gaza has something to do with Hamas stealing aid including almost all building material intended for homes:
        https://www.dailywire.com/news/6051/hamas-stealing-95-cement-given-palestinians-michael-qazvini
        They steal food aid:
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/06/gaza-un-aid-hamas
        Hamas preferring to use building matarial on terror tunnels used to murder Jews:
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/cement-for-rebuilding-gaza-diverted-to-attack-tunnels/

        And the usual corruption, stealing money and such intended for the people of Gaza:
        https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4837539,00.html
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-says-gaza-world-vision-director-diverted-millions-to-hamass-military-wing/2016/08/04/22e6c1ef-b18c-4d0a-9b81-497a3ec250ef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6cbd058d08e4
        https://unitedwithisrael.org/hamas-stole-700-million-in-aid-to-gaza-palestinian-authority-says/

        Etc. I’m sure this is nothing to do with what is happening in Gaza, not to mention the inner conflict with Fatah and the attacks on Israel which led to the blockade.

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          • Ido

            Bruce, I was responding to a lie saying Israel created Hamas.
            Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The organization’s leaders were inspired by the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement founded in Egypt in 1928. Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheik Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.
            Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel (based on their Islamic ideology), it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed they’ll have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.
            The unintended consequence was to strengthen radical Islamists. Hamas certainly didn’t believe it was being supported by Israel and Israel didn’t create them or their ideology.
            Israel’s assistance was more passive than active, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. So you can say that Israel “helped” passively create today’s Hamas the same way the US created Daesh and the civil war in Syria/Iraq by not doing anything or creating a power vacuum inadvertently.
            However Israel did not create Hamas.

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          • Ido

            Bruce, I was responding to a lie saying Israel created Hamas. That is nonsense.
            Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas The organization’s leaders were inspired by the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement founded in
            Egypt in 1928. Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheik Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities
            and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.
            Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of
            the people through its charitable and educational activities. The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first,
            Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.
            The unintended consequence was to strengthen radical Islamists. Hamas certainly didn’t believe it was being supported by Israel.
            Israel’s assistance was more passive than active, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. So you can say that Israel “helped” passively create today’s Hamas the same way the US created Daesh and the civil war in Syria/Iraq by not doing anything or creating a power vacuum inadvertently.
            However Israel did not create Hamas, that is a lie.

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          • Ido

            (edit, take #3) Bruce, I was responding to a lie saying Israel created Hamas. That is nonsense.
            Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas The organization’s leaders were inspired by the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement founded in Egypt in 1928. Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheik Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities. Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future and they focused on charitable and educational activities. The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat.
            The unintended consequence was to strengthen radical Islamists. Hamas certainly didn’t believe it was being supported by Israel, Israel didn’t create Hamas, Israel didn’t invent the Hamas ideology and Israel didn’t fund Hamas.
            Israel’s assistance was more passive than active, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. So you can say that Israel “helped” passively create today’s Hamas the same way the US created the terrorists and the civil war in Syria/Iraq by not doing anything or creating a power vacuum inadvertently.
            However Israel did not create Hamas, that is a lie.

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    3. Ido

      (edit, same post didn’t pass for some reason) Bruce, I was responding to a lie saying Israel created Hamas. That is nonsense.
      Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas The organization’s leaders were inspired by the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement founded in Egypt in 1928. Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheik Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities. Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future and they focused on charitable and educational activities. The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat.
      The unintended consequence was to strengthen radical Islamists. Hamas certainly didn’t believe it was being supported by Israel, Israel didn’t create Hamas, Israel didn’t invent the Hamas ideology and Israel didn’t fund Hamas.
      Israel’s assistance was more passive than active, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. So you can say that Israel “helped” passively create today’s Hamas the same way the US created the terrorists and the civil war in Syria/Iraq by not doing anything or creating a power vacuum inadvertently.
      However Israel did not create Hamas, that is a lie.

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      • Ben

        Could you please have the patience and calmness to wait a few hours at least for your comments to show up before you anxiously bombard the site with multiple copies? No one else does this. I disagree with all six copies.

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        • Ido

          I find it interesting that one post takes 10 min and another, almost identical, takes 12 hours to appear. It’s fun to discover which words trigger the delay.
          Look at it this way, it’ll make it somewhat harder for you to ignore reality and facts but I’m sure you’ll give it your best effort.
          “I disagree with all six copies” – by all means, which part ? back up your argument. Everything I posted is easily backed by evidence including the history and background of Hamas, you know, the response to your lie about Israel creating them ?
          Why do you ignore the post which detailed the rest of your lies ? so you again disagree with reality and substitute it with your own ? I’m honestly curious, how do you rationalize your denial of reality to yourself ? reality warping therapy ? hypnosis ? acid ?

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          • Ben

            “It’s fun to discover which words trigger the delay.”

            A Geller classic. Simple minded causality attribution, illogic, false fact manufacture, black and white thinking, obsessive/paranoid ideation, slander and comedy all wrapped up in one.

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          • Ido

            Hilarious, and we have the “no, you!” defense attempt again. Like a child. Does it help you avoid addressing the many, many posts where I show in detail how you’re a clueless liar who has no idea what he’s talking about ?

            Here are some examples in the comments section, including links to 2 detailed list of your lies, clueless delusional nonsense, evidence you repeatedly ignored, etc.
            https://972mag.com/idf-refuses-to-say-what-its-doing-to-avoid-killing-more-journalists/135948/

            Do you think I didn’t notice how you didn’t address my actual post ? so you disagree with my posts above, fine, by all means: which part ? back up your argument. Everything I posted is easily backed by evidence including the history and background of Hamas, you know, the response to your lie about Israel creating them.
            Why do you ignore the post which detailed the rest of your lies ? so you again disagree with reality and substitute it with your own ? I’m honestly curious, how do you rationalize your denial of reality to yourself ?

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          • Ben

            Because they’re all Geller classics.

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          • Ido

            Yes they are, the usual: once again showing in detail how you’re a clueless liar who has no idea what he’s talking about. You honestly think ignoring the posts backed by evidence I added in the Facebook comments section will somehow make it go away ? hilarious.

            Aaand we have a 4th time. Let’s see how deep is your denial: Do you think I didn’t notice how you didn’t address my actual post ? so you disagree with my posts above, fine, by all means: which part ? back up your argument. Everything I posted is easily backed by evidence including the history and background of Hamas, you know, the response to your lie about Israel creating them. Which part don’t you agree with ? I’ll happily prove you wrong again, the classic way: backed by facts and evidence.

            Why do you ignore the post which detailed the rest of the lies in the post you lied about Israel creating Hamas ? you think I won’t notice ? so you again disagree with reality and substitute it with your own. I’m honestly curious, how do you rationalize your denial of reality to yourself ?

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