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Not about tunnels: Israeli tanks take aim at central Gaza

Israel’s ‘no-go zone’ – created by scorched-earth shelling that has leveled entire neighborhoods – has shrunk Gaza nearly by half.

A colleague in Gaza City’s Tal el Hawa neighborhood reported before dawn this morning that Israeli tank shells were falling all around the apartment building where he and his wife were hunkered in a hallway, contemplating where they could flee come sunrise. Between them and the Mediterranean sea to their west are fewer kilometers than those separating them from Shejaeiya to the east, where days earlier, Israeli tanks had reduced entire neighborhoods to rubble.

“They’re doing to us like they did to Shejaeiya,” my colleague said. Although the sun has barely risen in Gaza and the damage not yet fully surveyed, by all accounts, last night’s bombardment was the fiercest yet in central Gaza—and this time it came from tanks, too.

Palestinians inspect damages of a destroyed ambulance in Shujaiyeh, a neighborhood in the east of Gaza City, during a ceasefire, July 27, 2014. During the ceasefire on 26 July, many Palestinians went back to Shujaiyeh to inspect the damages together with medics who attempted to rescue injured or collect bodies. Dozens of bodies were collected but many remain as Palestinians do not have all the necessary equipment to dig. Israeli attacks turned the neighborhood into a scene of utter devastation, with entire buildings flattened and thousands forced to flee.  Israeli attacks have killed more than 1,000 Palestinians and injured around 5,000 in the current offensive.

Palestinians inspect damage to a destroyed ambulance in Shujaiyeh, a neighborhood in the east of Gaza City, during the July 27 ceasefire. (photo: Activestills.org)

I strain to grasp the tactic. Hadn’t Benjamin Netanyahu, just hours earlier, forecast further violence by vowing to destroy Hamas tunnels? Never mind that the tunnels had only recently figured into his rationale for what Germany’s largest-circulation daily, Sueddeutsche Seitung, called the “Gaza-krieg.” If “destroying tunnels” was Netanyahu’s casus belli, what on earth were Israeli tanks doing so close to Gaza City, in the heart of the Strip?

And are the tanks there to stay?

As Israel stepped up its shelling of northern and eastern Gaza earlier on Monday, the first day of the Muslim feast marking the end of Ramadan, Netanyahu’s military endgame began to look a lot like what Palestinians feared most – a return to the status quo. Only this time, with the shelling reaching central Gaza, the picture looks far more bleak.

A map published Thursday by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs paints the picture, offering a striking visual of what may be Gaza’s new de facto “border.” The map shows an Israeli-imposed “no-go zone” extending three kilometers into the Strip from its northern to southern tips—an area representing 44 percent of Gaza’s total land mass and within which, presumably, Israeli tanks unleashed hell upon Gaza City last night.

If past is precedent, that expanded area will be a virtual shooting gallery for Israeli soldiers long after the present military maneuvers end, and only Palestinians willing to risk life and limb will dare enter. Just ask residents of the eastern and northern Gaza districts abutting Israel. Long before their homes were devastated by shelling, they understood just how lethal their enforced penury was. In the so-called “buffer zone,” which officially extended only 300 meters into Gaza, human rights organizations had documented Israeli snipers firing at Palestinian civilians up to 1.5 kilometers from the border with Israel.

An Israeli artillery unit fire towards the Gaza Strip from their position on Israel-Gaza border, on July 21, 2014.<span class="s1"> Israeli attacks have killed 550 Palestinians in the current offensive, most of them civilians. (Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

An Israeli artillery unit fire towards the Gaza Strip from their position on Israel-Gaza border, on July 21, 2014.<span class=”s1″> Israeli attacks have killed 550 Palestinians in the current offensive, most of them civilians. (Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

With Israeli troops now enforcing their “no-go” policy in an area twice as deep, Palestinian civilians beyond that zone face a similar and persistent threat, as evidenced last night. In fact, as the OCHA map shows, Palestinians living in the northern three-quarters of Gaza may all be within shooting distance of Israeli snipers. That is certainly the case in Gaza City, where thousands of displaced Palestinian families have sought shelter. UN spokesperson Chris Gunness said yesterday that more than 170,000 Palestinians—or nearly 10 percent of Gaza’s population—were seeking shelter at facilities run by the UN Relief and Works Agency.

Making matters worse, the Israeli military later in the day issued fresh evacuation orders to residents of northern Gaza, raising fears that attacks there would escalate to levels that saw entire neighborhoods leveled in Beit Hanoun and Shejaeiya. And even as more people fled toward Gaza’s center, the military dropped a new flyer on Gaza City, listing names of alleged Hamas members killed by airstrikes and asking, tauntingly, “In your opinion, whose name will be written in the coming publication?” (Palestinian journalist Lara Aburamadan displayed the flyer on Twitter).

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The threat came as news broke of yet another attack on a medical facility—this time also in the heart of Gaza City. As NBC’s Ayman Mohyeldin reported, the attack struck an outpatient clinic of Gaza’s main hospital, Al Shifa, at around the same time that 10 people, including children playing outside, were killed by an Israeli airstrike on the Shati refugee camp.

The attacks show no sign of abating. Within hours of the Shati attack, Netanyahu called for Hamas to be demilitarized and said that Israel would continue targeting tunnels along its border with Gaza. But with that “border” now nearly halving Gaza’s territory and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians forced to cram into central Gaza areas still under bombardment, Netanyahu is clearly targeting far more than tunnels. In fact, his actions are drawing Israel ever farther from a compromise, and it’s hard to imagine Hamas acceding to a ceasefire under these conditions.

Indeed, the group has vowed to continue fighting until Israeli troops leave Gaza and displaced residents return home. That, too, seems like a distant prospect: Even if a ceasefire deal allowed displaced Palestinians to return to northern Gaza, it’s unlikely they would be able to stay there unless the ongoing Israeli embargo is lifted—a key Hamas demand—and they are allowed to rebuild.

All of which brings us back to a lesson John Kerry has already learned: Palestinians in Gaza are fed up with the status quo, and at this point—after bearing the blows of three full-scale Israeli assaults in five years—they have little left to fear. This much is for certain: if the bombing ends tomorrow but the so-called buffer zone remains, Gaza’s resistance will continue. The only question is whether the world will pay attention when today’s massacres become tomorrow’s one-off murders again. If it doesn’t, we can be sure that the massacres will return again soon.

In the meantime, the killing continues.

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Five Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza; Palestinian death toll hits 1,088
Protective Edge: The disengagement undone

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    1. Richard

      All very sad, but Hamas is to blame. Hamas started the war, they shelled Israel’s major cities with military grade artillery rockets, and continue to shell Israel’s major cities. Once again – Hamas, not Israel, is responsible for this.

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      • Goldmarx

        “How sad” my ass. Spare us your crocodile tears!

        Israel fired the first shot, not Hamas, moments after the Palestinian Unity government was formed months ago. That time, the weapon hit a motorcycle in northern Gaza. Israel attacked Hamas people in the West Bank on the false grounds of being connected to the murder of the three West Bank teenagers.

        Bibi himself admitted that Hamas had observed the ceasefire from the end of the prior “Operation” until the formation of the Unity government.

        It seems you believe that Palestinians do not have a right to self-defense, and that Israel is always right.

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        • aVdim

          1. “being connected to the murder of the three West Bank teenagers”. They were not “West Bank teenagers”, but simply teenagers. Only ONE of the teenagers lived in Judea, not that it makes any difference. One has to be extremely morally crippled to refer to them in such manner.
          2. According to people like you, Israel ALWAYS fires the first shot. It doesn’t really matter what we do.
          3. If Israel didn’t exist and was replaced by another Arab state and had the same war with Hamas – you wouldn’t care a bit, not a tiny bit.
          You don’t have to admit it openly here, but at the very least admit it to yourself.

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          • Goldmarx

            How is it morally crippling to refer to them as West Bank teenagers. Virtually everyone here refers to them that way.

            Is it morally crippling to refer to New York teenagers as New Jerseyans?

            The fact that you resort to personal attacks on me – a life-long Zionist – tells me that you are a fascist who has spent way too much time on this planet. May your exit be speedy.

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          • Avdim

            “How is it morally crippling to refer to them as West Bank teenagers. Virtually everyone here refers to them that way.”

            The title is incorrect and apologetic. It’s not ordinary teenager that were kill, they were “West Bank” teenagers, wink, wink.

            “Is it morally crippling to refer to New York teenagers as New Jerseyans?”

            It all depends on the context.

            “The fact that you resort to personal attacks on me – a life-long Zionist – tells me that you are a fascist who has spent way too much time on this planet. May your exit be speedy.”

            1. I made no personal attack, just stated my opinion. Please compare the assertion I’ve made regarding your position and the crap you wrote back. Now feel ashamed.
            2. There’s a very simple definition of what a fascist is and it does not include hurting Goldmarx’s touch feelings. Being a “life long zionist” and surely great moral figure in general does not give you the right to call everyone that disagrees with by irrelevant and wrong names or wish they would die. Doing so only makes you look dumb and insecure.
            3. When I comment on someone’s opinions I don’t have access to his previous opinions, nor do I really care. You being a self proclaimed “life-long zionist” is something you can tell your buddies, I don’t care in the slightest. You comments speak for themselves.

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          • Goldmarx

            “The title is incorrect and apologetic. It’s not ordinary teenager that were kill, they were “West Bank” teenagers, wink, wink.”

            –> They are called West Bank teenagers because that is where they were kidnapped. There is nothing apologetic about it, except in your vivid imagination.

            “I made no personal attack, just stated my opinion”

            –> Nope. I was responding to your statements “According to people like you, Israel ALWAYS fires the first shot. It doesn’t really matter what we do.
            3. If Israel didn’t exist and was replaced by another Arab state and had the same war with Hamas – you wouldn’t care a bit, not a tiny bit.”

            –> Yes, those are personal attacks, not well-considered opinions about the information I was commenting on. You have nothing on which to base these ‘opinions’ about me, and you don’t give a shit. You just flail away.

            If you has asked respectfully, I would have told you that I supported Israel’s first shots in the Six Day War. But so far, you seem incapable, willfully or otherwise, of separating yourself in the grip of the fascist madness that has seized increasing numbers of Israelis.

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      • JG

        You should die while vomiting about the lies you spit. No one expect you and your hasbarah chearing Israel rightwingers believe your shit any more.
        The whole world is watching…

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        • Kiwi

          “You should die while vomiting about the lies you spit.”

          Nice. Meet the real face of extreme leftist fanaticism. No wonder they support Hamas. They are like Hamas.

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          • Gearoid

            People are dying in Gaza while worthless apologists, who are often openly fascist and racist, spread cheap lies delivered to them by official Israeli propaganda sources.

            That disgusts me, and I’m willing to curse at scum like you over it. Innocents are dying. It there was any justice, it would be worthless shit like the fascist trolls here dying on both sides. But instead it is Palestinian civilians.

            In this world or the next, inhuman people like you will pay. Before the ICC or before your God.

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          • Kiwi

            Hey mate, cut your emotional clap trap. Blame Hamas for what is happening in Gaza. Even now, people are dying there because they refuse to accept a cease fire and they hope that people like you will force Israel to turn the other cheek to their rockets.

            I say this, not as a Jew. I am not Jewish. Nor am I Zionist but seeing what the likes of you and supremacist Islam are trying to perpetrate, I am becoming a Zionist. And I am not alone.

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      • Zain

        Richard you reading the manual again for your response?

        The Israel Project’s 2009 Global Language Dictionary. The Orwellian manual provides a detailed outline on how to “communicate effectively in support of Israel.”

        When innocent Palestinian children and women are killed, the first response should be to show empathy; the next is to reframe the issue stating that Israel is not to blame and that it is only defending itself and further that it only wants peace. Even when it is raining death and destruction on Palestinians, the manual is clear: “Remind people—again and again—that Israel wants peace.”

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        • Richard

          I have no idea what you’re babbling about. I speak for myself. But thanks for making my earlier point that the pro-Palestinian movement in the West consists mostly of anti-Semites and conspiracy nut jobs.

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    2. Henry Silver

      The situation is worse than sad; it is morally repulsive. What is particularly hard for me to understand is the refusal of most western leader to get serious and put an end to this craziness. I believe the Americans could end this in a day if they cut off the flow of money and material to Israel. However, all we get is a resolution supported by all 100 US senators simply supporting Israel’s right to defend itself. The shallowness of this superficial justification, lacking any pretense of analysis is so depressing and disgusting.

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      • Whiplash

        I was watching BBC News World this morning which showed a row of Ukrainian tanks blasting away at cities and towns in the control of the breakaway Donetsk Republic. No one seemed to question the Ukraine’s right to smash up Donetsk civilian infrastructure. A similar number of people have died in that conflict as the I-P conflict. Yet no one questions the right of Ukrainians to self defense from the Donetskians seeking self determination.

        I guess it is only repulsive when Jews act in self defense to terrorists liked by the extreme left.

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        • Reza Lustig

          Is Gaza run by a bunch of Iranian/Saudi/Syrian/Turkish mercenaries, masquerading as separatists?

          What a jackassed analogy.

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          • Arieh

            Excuse me? Who was talking about Iranian/Saudi/Syrian/Turkish mercenaries?

            Which part of your anatomy did you pull that out of? Lustig?

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          • Goldmarx

            Maybe Reza is pulling it out of Avdim’s ass, since he says he agrees with Reza.

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          • Arieh

            … or yours.

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          • Avdim

            “Is Gaza run by a bunch of Iranian/Saudi/Syrian/Turkish mercenaries, masquerading as separatists?”

            Reza, the funniest part is that answer to your question is essentially yes.

            Gaza is indeed run by a bunch of Iranian mercenaries. Hamas is funded and armed by Iran and Qatar to wage a war against Israel closer to our borders. Same goes for Hizbullah (Syria from your list).

            Get it inside your head – there are powerful states with a very clear interest to keep the conflict going, regardless of what Israel does. These proxies can attack Israel “unofficially”, they can pose a deterrent threat and the give Iran and Qatar regional influence.

            The thought that Hamas a representative of local Palestinian wishes and interests is beyond stupid, it’s willfully blind.

            So, essentially – there’s no difference between the Russian sponsored mercenaries and Hamas.

            Can we now be allowed to do what every sane state should?

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          • Reza Lustig

            There are mercenaries/foreign agents, and there are resistance/revolutionary organizations that happen to have backing from foreign countries. Being a mercenary indicates that you work for money, not an ideology or cause. By your boneheaded judgement, FRETILIN was a bunch of Portuguese/Australian “mercenaries,” and Suharto was right to raze East Timor for the purpose of getting rid of Portuguese “imperialism” in Indonesia.

            Actually, you sound a lot like some of the less-informed “anti-imperialist” leftists you despise; your view of Hamas as foreign mercenaries transplanted onto Jewish soil mirrors their belief that the Libyan Civil War, and the ongoing one in Syria, is a conspiracy by American and Gulf “imperialism” (with the Libyan militias and the Free Syrian Army as “mercenaries”) to take over the region’s oil reserves.

            Hezbollah is involved in Syria, partially due to cynical Iranian politics, and partly because a lot of Shia view it as an attempt by Sunni extremists to take over. However, they (and the Sadrists, who any expert will tell you are NOT Iranian “mercenaries”) are also involved in fighting Islamic State, because they kill Shia. Mercenaries and foreign agents aren’t interested in ideology.

            By the way, in case you were interested: most Palestinians (including Hamas) are anti-Assad. Khaled Meshaal resides mostly in Qatar, as of a couple of years ago.

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          • Avdim

            “Actually, you sound a lot like some of the less-informed “anti-imperialist” leftists you despise”

            You presume to know me but you don’t. I don’t despise anyone. Let alone on grounds of disagreeing with me. I don’t hate Arabs, I don’t hate liberals, I don’t hate people that are critical of Israel or don’t support the war, or are gay. Coming to think of it, the amount of people I can think of that I actually hate is very small.

            Regarding your barrage of examples – I’m not well informed about most of them, so I don’t have a formed opinion on them. That’s what I expect a decent person to say – I don’t have an opinion on things I’m really well informed in. Sadly, when it comes to Israel, people that don’t even know where we are on the globe tend to have very solid opinions (just to make it clear – I was not referring to you personally, this is just something that bothers me).

            Of course Hamas rose up from the Palestinians and seem to represent their interests. They are not mercenaries brought from abroad. I only say that the WELFARE of Palestinians is a secondary (at best) goal of Hamas. They are funded and armed and in a sense kept here for other purposes as well and those purposes will only hurt the Palestinians.

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          • Reza Lustig

            Here you go.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_occupation_of_East_Timor

            The rhetoric I see here about “Arab/Islamic Imperialism,” could very easily be turned around to justify Suharto’s actions, and American complicity with them in the name of playing The Great Game. Sure enough, Indonesian political rhetoric tried to spin the occupation as a reaction to Portuguese and Dutch “colonial oppression.”

            (Earlier correction: the Aussies didn’t back East Timorese independence, until after Suharto died, because they were also too busy playing great power politics. Apart from Portugal, their only backers were China and Libya).

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      • Average American

        Henry, the USA does whatever Israel tells it to do because USA borrows every penny it spends from the Federal Reserve Bank, a Jewish controlled, privately owned, for profit business. And every senator takes money from AIPAC, a Jewish controlled business. If you don’t follow the line, you don’t get a dime.

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    3. Whiplash

      Mr. Badawi asks:

      “If “destroying tunnels” was Netanyahu’s casus belli, what on earth were Israeli tanks doing so close to Gaza City, in the heart of the Strip?”

      Destroying tunnels is not a casus belli. The casus belli is Hamas and Islamic Jihad attacks against Israel. Destroying the tunnels is only part of the Israeli objective in degrading, and if possible eliminating, Hamas’ capability and desire to carry out terrorist operations.

      In order to carry out the objectives of the Israeli operation, Israel uses its air and ground forces which includes the use of tanks. Tanks and the ground forces which accompany them are useful in rooting out and destroying Hamas fighters and military infrastructure which air power own its own can not efficiently do. As the tanks and ground forces take more territory away from being used in Hamas attacks, the closer Israeli tanks and forces will get to the center of Gaza where additional military assets are located and being used by Hamas. Plus, the leaders of Hamas are holed up in military bunkers and control centers like the al-Shifa Hospital in the middle of Gaza.

      Hamas chose an urban environment to fight this war in and Israel has no choice but to fight the enemy where it finds it. In fighting the war Israel will do so in a fashion that will permit it to achieve some or all of its objectives.

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    4. Zornorph

      The answer is simple – the Palestinian Arabs must at least realize that they have lost their war that they started in 1948 and surrender. Israel doesn’t want Gaza – I think Dyan called it a ‘bone stuck in the throat’ back in 1967 – but they are not going to put up with rockets fired from it. Surrender and take what you can get and stop attacking Israel. Turn Gaza into something because you are not going to get back Jaffa or anything else.

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      • Richard

        Amen. Now there are reports that Hamas is shooting Palestinians who are protesting the war. Israel is not dealing with a government accountable to its people, its dealing with a murderous gang. More or less a Mexican drug cartel that sells smuggled goods, Jewish deaths, and Iranian propaganda so its leaders can have money and power. Every protester for Hamas is complicit in the deaths of the Gazans in this war. Shame on you.

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      • Goldmarx

        Israel certainly wants the natural gas reserves just outside the Gazan territorial waters – who wouldn’t?

        “Surrender and take what you can get and stop attacking Israel.”

        –>Knesset Deputy MP Moshe Feiglin won’t accept surrender – he wants total ethnic cleansing of Gaza and transfer of the Palestinians to the Sinai. Another far-right MP, Ayelet Shaket advocates open genocide of the entire Palestinian people. And Bibi, who has not disavowed these remarks, has finally revealed that he opposes a 2-state solution, after claiming to support it all these years.

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    5. JohnW

      Some Israelis are learning from Hamas. Nu?

      They are not all of Israel.

      But you Goldmarx are a hypocrite. You condemn those Israelis. But you don’t condemn Hamas for saying the same thing about what they want to do to Israel. Not just saying it but by actual deed. Indiscriminate rocket fire on 1 million Israelis in the south for nearly 15 years.

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    6. Goldmarx

      “Some Israelis are learning from Hamas.”

      –> Uh, no, Feiglin, Shaket, etc. have always felt that way. If it was a matter of learning from Hamas, then why are these Nazi-like statements made only by rightwingers?

      “They are not all of Israel.”

      –> I never said they were – but they are the Israeli government, and they’re the ones who picked this fight with Hamas.

      “Indiscriminate rocket fire on 1 million Israelis in the south for nearly 15 years”

      –> None of which was motivated by the charter, and all of which was the result of provocations by the Israeli government. The charter does not call for the elimination of Egypt, yet Hamas has fired rockets against Egypt last weekend. That’s why there’s no hypocrisy on my part, or on the part of any of the journalists who write here.

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      • JohnW

        “Uh, no, Feiglin, Shaket, etc. have always felt that way.”

        You would not have the foggiest about how people feel or felt. You are too preoccupied with how YOU feel.

        “If it was a matter of learning from Hamas, then why are these Nazi-like statements made only by rightwingers?”

        Ah ok, I am glad that you admit that Hamas make Nazi like statements. Maybe there is hope for you yet?

        “I never said they were – but they are the Israeli government”

        They are part of the coalition which makes up the Israeli government which like Hamas, were democratically elected by the people. But you only seem to recognize Hamas as the democratically elected party by Palestinian Arabs. Why not the democratically elected government of Israel? Is it because you have one eye only?

        “and they’re the ones who picked this fight with Hamas.”

        They sure did. Because they wanted to stop the 15 year old rocket fire by Hamas against 1 million Israeli civilians in the south.

        “None of which was motivated by the charter,”

        No, not much. Hamas’s charter says: we will kill as many Jews as we can. We will destroy Israel and replace it by an Islamic Arab state. For emphasis, they shoot thousands of rockets at Israeli civilians. But according to you, Hamas are not morivated by their charter?

        Yea, right, not much.

        “and all of which was the result of provocations by the Israeli government.”

        Yes, Israel provoked poor Hamas by taking counter measures against their rocket fire and stated aim to destroy the state of Israel. Poor Hamas, right Goldmarx?

        “The charter does not call for the elimination of Egypt, yet Hamas has fired rockets against Egypt last weekend.”

        And that proves what exactly? That they are stupid?

        By the way, I haven’t heard of this. Have you got a link which proves that you are not lying?

        “That’s why there’s no hypocrisy on my part, or on the part of any of the journalists who write here.”

        So say you, you hypocrite.

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        • Goldmarx

          G: “If it was a matter of learning from Hamas, then why are these Nazi-like statements made only by rightwingers?”

          J: Ah ok, I am glad that you admit that Hamas make Nazi like statements. Maybe there is hope for you yet?

          –> I admitted no such thing. The Nazi-like statements I referred to were made by Feiglin and Shaket, asshole. As if you didn’t know.

          “But you only seem to recognize Hamas as the democratically elected party by Palestinian Arabs. Why not the democratically elected government of Israel?”

          –> Who says I don’t recognize both? Also, are you saying that most Israeli Jews endorse genocide and ethnic cleansing like Shaket and Feiglin do, and that I should attribute these views to Israeli Jewry in general since every view held by democratically elected government officials is a true measure of how the overall constituency feels?

          “Because they wanted to stop the 15 year old rocket fire by Hamas against 1 million Israeli civilians in the south.”

          –> Rocket fire in retaliation for provocations of various sorts by a succession of Israeli governments. Rocket fire launched by one of Israel’s creations, Hamas.

          G: “The charter does not call for the elimination of Egypt, yet Hamas has fired rockets against Egypt last weekend.”

          J: And that proves what exactly? That they are stupid?

          No, it proves that they will fight all of their enemies whenever possible. Israel is not being singled out. Egypt has escalated its own oppression of the Gazans, and it is beginning to pay the price:

          http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4550220,00.html

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          • JohnW

            “I admitted no such thing. The Nazi-like statements I referred to were made by Feiglin and Shaket, asshole. As if you didn’t know.”

            So according to you Hamas never make Nazi like statements? Only Israelis do? Ok, you “rabid Zionist”, LOL.

            “Who says I don’t recognize both?”

            You seem to justify everything Hamas does by saying that they were democratically elected. But when it comes to the Israeli government, you don’t justify their actions by the same reasoning.

            “Also, are you saying that most Israeli Jews endorse genocide and ethnic cleansing”

            Huh? Keep dreaming and spinning.

            “like Shaket and Feiglin do”

            What is it they do again?

            “and that I should attribute these views to Israeli Jewry in general since every view held by democratically elected government officials is a true measure of how the overall constituency feels?”

            That is the type of logic you seem to follow when you justify Hamas’s actions. You claim that since they were democratically elected, they have the right to do anything.

            “Rocket fire in retaliation for provocations of various sorts by a succession of Israeli governments.”

            What provocations? For being alive and living in an independent Jewish majority state?

            “Rocket fire launched by one of Israel’s creations, Hamas.”

            So Hamas is Israel’s creation and the Palestinian people elected them in a democratic election?

            LOL, do you read your own posts before posting them?

            “No, it proves that they will fight all of their enemies whenever possible.”

            And that proves what? That they are stupid?

            They seem to be creating enemies instead of trying to make peace. Then as you say, they shoot at those enemies and when inevitably they are shot at for their troubles, they squeal that they are being bullied by big bullies. Then when they are offered a cease fire, they reject it.

            Did I say they are stupid? I should have said they are beyond stupid. Or more likely bloody mindid. And so are their western stooge backers.

            “Israel is not being singled out.”

            Oh gee, shux, we should be honoured for not being singled out.

            “Egypt has escalated its own oppression of the Gazans, and it is beginning to pay the price”

            How exactly has Egypt oppressed Gazans?

            By the way, nowhere in the link that you gave does it say that Hamas was the one that shot the rockets at Egypt. It talks of Salafists as the perpetrators.

            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4550220,00.html

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    7. Margot Dunne

      In 1917 the British Government promised to facilitate a national home for the Jews in Palestine (the Balfour Declaration). This was once described by Arthur Koestler as “a document in which one nation solemnly promises to a second nation the country of a third nation.” In 1921, during the British Mandate, the High Commissioner for Palestine (Herbert Samuel) wrote to Chaim Weizmann: “After a year in Palestine I have come to the conclusion that the importance of the Arab factor had been underestimated by the Zionist movement: unless there is very careful steering it is upon the Arab rock that the Zionist ship may be wrecked.” In 1947 the UN came up with a 2-states partition plan which ceded more land to the minority population (Jews) than to the majority population (Arabs). The imposition of this plan was rejected by the Arabs. The Zionist ship is now being steered by an out-of-control Goliath. It is time to give full justice to the Palestinians.

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      • Kiwi

        “It is time to give full justice to the Palestinians.”

        Be careful what you wish for. You told a very simplistic one sided history full of ommissions and half truths.

        If it is justice what you want, you might not like what you will get since you are obviously biased in favour of the Palestinians. And the justice that they will end up deserving may not be to your liking.

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        • janet anderson

          Margot is correct.

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          • Arieh

            Margot is only partially correct. There are quite a few things she neglected to mention.

            For instance:

            Israel got 55% of the land of which 50% was the Negev desert. Most of the part allocated to the Arabs on the other hand was fertile land.

            And:

            The combined Jewish Arab population of Israel was larger than the mostly Arab population of the Arab state.

            And:

            Before 1929, the area that Jordan is on was part of Palestine. It was known as Eastern Palestine, it represented 80% of the total area of Palestine while Israel got 55% of the remaining 20% of the land which comes to about 13% of the total area of Palestine (Eastern+Western Palestine) even though Jews represented about 30% of the population of Palestine.

            There are lots more pertinent facts but We should deal with the present and the future. Not with distant history.

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        • Margot Dunne

          Full justice is what Zion requires. Full justice is what Palestine requires. That EACH group gets the justice it deserves is what we should all require: whether we like it or not.

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      • andrew r

        “This was once described by Arthur Koestler as “a document in which one nation solemnly promises to a second nation the country of a third nation.””

        That’s most certainly true. The Zionists were trying to make the British occupation of Palestine their own by proxy, which means the conflict is on their heads.

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    8. JohnW

      –> I admitted no such thing. The Nazi-like statements I referred to were made by Feiglin and Shaket, asshole. As if you didn’t know.

      “But you only seem to recognize Hamas as the democratically elected party by Palestinian Arabs. Why not the democratically elected government of Israel?”

      –> Who says I don’t recognize both? Also, are you saying that most Israeli Jews endorse genocide and ethnic cleansing like Shaket and Feiglin do, and that I should attribute these views to Israeli Jewry in general since every view held by democratically elected government officials is a true measure of how the overall constituency feels?

      “Because they wanted to stop the 15 year old rocket fire by Hamas against 1 million Israeli civilians in the south.”

      –> Rocket fire in retaliation for provocations of various sorts by a succession of Israeli governments. Rocket fire launched by one of Israel’s creations, Hamas.

      G: “The charter does not call for the elimination of Egypt, yet Hamas has fired rockets against Egypt last weekend.”

      J: And that proves what exactly? That they are stupid?

      No, it proves that they will fight all of their enemies whenever possible. Israel is not being singled out. Egypt has escalated its own oppression of the Gazans, and it is beginning to pay the price:

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4550220,00.html

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    9. JohnW

      “I admitted no such thing. The Nazi-like statements I referred to were made by Feiglin and Shaket, asshole. As if you didn’t know.”

      Ok, I get it. According to you, Hamas don’t make Nazi like statements. Only some Israelis do.

      “Who says I don’t recognize both?”

      You do. You justify every Hamas act by saying that they were democratically elected. But when it comes to the Israeli government you don’t follow the same reasoning.

      “Also, are you saying that most Israeli Jews endorse genocide and ethnic cleansing”

      Nope. But you and your fellow ideologues seem to say it.

      “like Shaket and Feiglin do,”

      Prove it.

      “Rocket fire in retaliation for provocations of various sorts by a succession of Israeli governments.”

      Yes, I do understand that the existence of a Jewish majority state in the Middle East is a provocation to many Arabs and to their western stooges like you.

      “Rocket fire launched by one of Israel’s creations, Hamas.”

      LOL, do you even read your posts before posting them?

      According to you, Israel created Hamas. Yet Palestinians elected Hamas in a democratic election? Are you for real?

      “No, it proves that they will fight all of their enemies whenever possible.”

      It proves that they create their own enemies. Then they fight those enemies and complain about being bullied when they get shot at in return.

      And it gets worse. They don’t accept cease fires yet expect enemies to observe cease fires and to stop causing suffering to the populace which elected Hamas.

      Did I say they were stupid? I should have said they are beyond stupid. Or more likely, they are bloody minded for inflicting pain on their own people.

      “Israel is not being singled out.”

      Oh gee, shux, Israel should be honoured for not being singled out.

      “Egypt has escalated its own oppression of the Gazans,”

      How exactly is Egypt oppressing Gazans?

      “and it is beginning to pay the price:”

      I am sure Egyptians are trembling in their boots from the threat of Hamas, NOT!

      By the way, nowhere in your link does the article say that Hamas launched the rockets into Egypt. It says that Salafis launched the rockets.

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4550220,00.html

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