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Minister: Demolish homes in response to deadly J'lem attack [updated]

This is the second such attack in as many weeks. Israeli ministers and MKs call for mass arrests, home demolitions in response. In separate incident, Palestinian teen is kidnapped and injured in East Jerusalem. [Updated with details of a second incident in the West Bank Wednesday night.]

An Israeli Border Police officer at the permitter of the scene of an attack on Israeli pedestrians that killed one in Jerusalem, November 5, 2014. Three of the victims were Border Police officers. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

An Israeli Border Police officer at the permitter of the scene of an attack on Israeli pedestrians that killed one in Jerusalem, November 5, 2014. Three of the victims were Border Police officers. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

One person was killed and 13 others injured, two critically, when a Palestinian man ran over a group of pedestrians in Jerusalem on Wednesday, then attacking passersby with a metal rod. Police shot and killed the perpetrator. At least three of the victims were Border Police officers.

Two people, including a small baby, were killed in a similar attack late last month and the perpetrator was also killed by police.

Following the attack, Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovich called for the demolition of the perpetrator’s family home and said it was right to have killed him.

Earlier this year Israel began returning to its long-abandoned policy of punitive home demolitions, which for all intents and purposes is collective punishment of uninvolved parties. (I wrote about the return of that practice here early this summer.)

While it may have been necessary to use lethal force to stop this latest attack, a statement by such a high ranking security official endorsing the extra-judicial killing of murder suspects is an affront to the rule of law and the very concept of a judicial system.

Police investigators stand around the body of a Palestinian man who ran over a group of Israeli pedestrians in Jerusalem, November 5, 2014. Police shot and killed the man shortly after the attack. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Police investigators stand around the body of a Palestinian man who ran over a group of Israeli pedestrians in Jerusalem, November 5, 2014. Police shot and killed the man shortly after the attack. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Kadima MK and former defense minister Shaul Mofaz responded to the attack by calling for massive arrest raids of uninvolved Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad members. There should be hundreds of arrests each day, Mofaz told Army Radio.

Following the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens this summer, Israel carried out a similar operation in the West Bank, which arguably led to the Gaza war.

Also contributing to a summer of violence and fear for both the Jewish and Palestinian populations of Jerusalem was the gruesome kidnapping and murder of Palestinian teenager Muhammad Abu Khdeir.

On Tuesday of this week, a Palestinian teen from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Beit Hanina reported being briefly kidnapped and later left on the side of the road, Ma’an reported. He suffered injuries to his lungs, neck and back.

Update (9:00 p.m., Wednesday):

Clashes broke out near Shuafat following the attack.

Palestinian youth throw stones during clashes with Israeli police in the Palestinian refugee camp of Shuafat in East Jerusalem, November 5, 2014. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Palestinian youth throw stones during clashes with Israeli police in the Palestinian refugee camp of Shuafat in East Jerusalem, November 5, 2014. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Smoke is seen rising over the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya as Palestinian youth clash with Israeli police, November 5, 2014. Earlier in the day, a Palestinian man drove into a crowd of pedestrians in Jerusalem, killing a Border Police officer and wounding over a dozen others. (Photo by Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

Smoke is seen rising over the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya as Palestinian youth clash with Israeli police, November 5, 2014. Earlier in the day, a Palestinian man drove into a crowd of pedestrians in Jerusalem, killing a Border Police officer and wounding over a dozen others. (Photo by Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

A Palestinian runs to take cover from tear gas during clashes with Israeli police in the Palestinian refugee camp of Shuafat in east Jerusalem, on November 5, 2014

A Palestinian runs to take cover from tear gas during clashes with Israeli police in the Palestinian refugee camp of Shuafat in east Jerusalem, on November 5, 2014

Update (10:50 p.m., Wednesday):

A commercial vehicle with Palestinian license plates ran down three Israeli troops who were standing near an army post adjacent to Al-Arroub refugee camp in between Bethlehem and Hebron late Wednesday night. One of the soldiers was evacuated with serious injuries, the two others with light-to-moderate injuries, the army reported.

Troops were reportedly searching the area for the perpetrator. The following is video purporting to be of the incident

Update (2:45 p.m., Thursday):

A Palestinian man turned himself into Israeli authorities Thursday saying that he struck the three soldiers Wednesday night. Israeli security officials later told the media that the incident was most likely a hit-and-run traffic accident and not an attack targeting the soldiers.

Related:
The only way to stop stone throwing is to end the occupation
Solitary confinement: A common denominator in Jerusalem attacks
Photos of the month: The holy city nears its boiling point

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    1. Brian

      The pyromaniacs keep tossing matches around bone dry tinder they pike around then remonstrate about the physics of combustion! Methinks maybe they like fire. Me knows they like to externalize blame to others.

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    2. Danny

      Fear and loathing in Greater Israel.

      If Hertzel were alive today, what would he say about the “Jewish state”?

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      • Nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t wanna live there.

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    3. David T.

      “Demolishing homes” was part of British ememergency regulations in Mandated Palestine. Back then Jews were also targeted by these regulations and one of them

      “Yaacov Shapira, another future minister of justice in Israel, said the regulations led to a situation ‘unparalleled in any civilized country. Even in Nazi Germany there were no such laws.'”
      http://books.google.de/books?id=GX8jX9dJXIAC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30#v=onepage&q&f=false

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    4. Gustav

      Unbelievable.

      A bastard terrorist murders Israelis indiscriminately yet again. (The dead border policeman was a Druze he wasn’t even Jewish)

      Yet the posters here bring up Mohammed Khedir whose murder was despicable but was also a reaction to another terrorist act by Arabs in which three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered in cold blood.

      The Brians, the Marnies and the Dannys who post here are perverse human beings who enjoy and encourage this mad cycle of murder and revenge. I don’t think they ever want to see it stop.

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      • Ray

        I see. Jewish crimes against Arabs are always less bad because “they started it/asked for it.”

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        • Gustav

          You don’t see anything. Read what I said again……

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        • “Yet the posters here bring up Mohammed Khedir whose murder was despicable but was also a reaction to another terrorist act by Arabs in which three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered in cold blood.”

          His murder was despicable BUT. Adding the word but complete lessens the severity of the deed. Like saying “that woman was raped but she wasn’t dressed modestly”, so its her fault.

          But it was a “reaction”? Bullshit, it was REVENGE, the most popular dish in israel, right up there with kebab, hummus and labneh. When’s the best time to serve REVENGE – Apparently all the time because the appetite for it is never appeased.

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          • Gustav

            It was revenge huh? Of course it was. And as I said, it was despicable.

            But all you can talk about is that revenge Marnie. You never lament acts of terrorism such as the ones reported by this article, or the kidnap and murder of three Israeli teenagers.

            Your intent is to make it sound as if Israelis carry out unprovoked attacks and Paelestinian Arabs OCCASIONALLY respond with terrorism of their own.

            But get this: It is the other way around!

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          • Yeah, right

            Gustav: “But all you can talk about is that revenge Marnie.”

            And in Gustav-world(tm) an “act of revenge” can only refer to Israeli acts of violence against Palestinian, never vice-versa.

            Gustav: “You never lament acts of terrorism such as the ones reported by this article, or the kidnap and murder of three Israeli teenagers.”

            This is where Gustav appears to be applying a double-standard, since it never occurs to Gustav that this act would have been regarded by the perpetrator as a act of vengeance against a police state.

            He is ready – indeed, eager – to put himself in the shoes of those Israeli murderers, but utterly unwilling to do the same for a Palestinian murderer.

            Gustav: “Your intent is to make it sound as if Israelis carry out unprovoked attacks and Paelestinian Arabs OCCASIONALLY respond with terrorism of their own”

            Your timing is most unfortunate, Gustav, coming as it does hot on the heels of Israel’s murder of 2,189 Gazans, and Israel’s insistence on provoking the Palestinians via reckless actions in Jerusalem.

            You make it sound as if Israel is just sitting around minding its own business, which is the exact opposite to what it has been doing.

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          • Gustav

            Up till now you were just being stupid, WHATSHISFACE, but now you resort to blatant lies.

            On a number of my posts I condemned the murderers of Mohammed Khedir.

            All you on the other hand have been doing is justifying random acts of terrorism against Israeli civilians.

            As for the Gaza war, go blame Hamas for it. They should not rocket Israeli civilians and Israel will not make war on Gaza.

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          • Yeah, right

            Gustav: “On a number of my posts I condemned the murderers of Mohammed Khedir.”

            OK, I think it is obvious that you don’t understand what both Marnie and I are objecting to.

            Here, I’ll remind you of what you said….
            Gustav: “Yet the posters here bring up Mohammed Khedir whose murder was despicable but was also a reaction to another terrorist act by Arabs in which three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered in cold blood.”

            It is the BUT that I find objectionable, as did Marnie.

            Note the difference between:
            Option 1: Mohammed Khedir murder was despicable BUT was also a reaction to another terrorist act by Arabs.
            Option 2: Mohammed Khedir murder was despicable. It was a reaction to another terrorist act by Arabs.

            Option 1 is very, very offensive in a way that Option 2 isn’t, since it diminishes the murder of Khedir and, furthermore, it diminishes that murder in a way that you DON’T do when the murder is committed by Palestinians.

            Can you comprehend that, Gustav, or do I have to use crayon?

            If you had refrained from using the word “but” replaced it with a “.” then, likewise, I would have found nothing objectionable about your post.

            Nothing At All.

            You couldn’t help yourself and, not only that (which is bad enough), when this is pointed out to you then we get this ludicrous huffing from you.

            However, I do find it interesting that you invite us to look back over your old posts, since I don’t have to go back All That Far to find this bit of mock-outrage: “The excuses are irrelevant”

            If you say so, “but” apparently in your world some excuses are more irrelevant than others…

            … must be a tribal thing….

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          • Gustav

            Oh I fully understand what you were saying or even not saying and what you stand for, WHATSHISFACE!

            You are saying that I condoned the revenge attack against Muhammed. But that is a lie. I DIDN’T, no matter how often you will try to make up lies about it.

            What you are not saying is that you condemn random terrorist acts against a crowd of civilians which had only three border police standing amongst them.

            And more than that, you are actually saying that such terrorist acts against civilians are justified.

            That makes you a supporter of terrorism. I hope that wherever you are, the authorities should identify you and keep a watchful eye on you. Judging by the dedidication with which you devote yourself to post your distortions and lies on this (and other sites), I would not put it past you that you actively support terrorist organisations. In which case, I know a place for you which is very warm.

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          • Yeah, right

            Gustav: “You are saying that I condoned the revenge attack against Muhammed.”

            No, actually, I’m not.

            I’m saying that you expressed an opinion that the murder of Muhammed Khedir was “understandable” or “comprehensible”, while refusing to consider that the same is true in this case.

            And by that you are making his murder the lesser crime, precisely because while
            (a) you consider his murder to be comprehensible
            (b) you insist that the murder of this border policeman is an incomprehensible act of barbarity.

            Sunshine, think for a moment: “understanding” why someone acts as they do is a very different thing to “condoning” what they have done.

            That is a difference that, apparently, you can not comprehend.

            Gustav: “But that is a lie.”

            Indeed it is, so why did you make it up?

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          • Gustav

            GUSTAV: “You are saying that I condoned the revenge attack against Muhammed.”

            WHATSHISFACE:”No, actually, I’m not.

            I’m saying that you expressed an opinion that the murder of Muhammed Khedir was “understandable” or “comprehensible”,”

            Really? Calling it despicable says that to you? You must be one of those people who had to go to special school.

            WHATSHISFACE:”while refusing to consider that the same is true in this case.”

            You are spot on sunshine. I consider both acts to be despicable and inexcusable. There. This is the third time I said it, you retard.

            WHATSHISFACE:”And by that you are making his murder the lesser crime, precisely because while
            (a) you consider his murder to be comprehensible
            (b) you insist that the murder of this border policeman is an incomprehensible act of barbarity.”

            Keep up your shit. Only your buddies listen to you. Others will read what I actually say and they can make up their own minds.

            WHATSHISFACE:”Sunshine, think for a moment: “understanding” why someone acts as they do is a very different thing to “condoning” what they have done.”

            Yes, sunshine, you do nothing but “understand” what these types of terrorists are doing while at the same time you display nil, zip, nada, zero understanding for what Israel does. With so much understanding for one side, your Palestinians, and so little understanding for us Israelis, all you do is make excuses for terrorists. You can run from that simple fact but you cannot hide from it, sunshine.

            WHATSHISFACE:”That is a difference that, apparently, you can not comprehend.

            Oh believe me, I comprehend the fact that you are full of shit, sunshine.

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          • Yeah, right

            Me: “I’m saying that you expressed an opinion that the murder of Muhammed Khedir was ‘understandable’ or ‘comprehensible’ ”

            Gustav: “Really? Calling it despicable says that to you?”

            It’s right about there that it becomes very useful to actually return to see what Gustav did say.

            And he said this….
            Gustav: “Yet the posters here bring up Mohammed Khedir whose murder was despicable but was also a reaction to another terrorist act by Arabs in which three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered in cold blood”

            So, indeed, Gustav didn’t ***JUST*** say that the murder was despicable.

            No, he said more than that. Much, much more.

            He said that this murder was despicable ***BUT*** it was also a murder that was carried out as a “reaction” to a previous murder.

            Remember, that is the core of the objection that I voiced regarding Gustav’s original post i.e. he described that murder as despicable ***BUT*** then felt the need to put an understanding on the motivations for that murder.

            Not only that, he felt the need to do that for a murder committed by Israelis against Palestinians while feeling absolutely no need to do the same when describing a murder of Israelis by Palestinians.

            He is compelled to “understand” the motivation for a murder committed by members of His Own Tribe, but will concede no motivation except blind, animalistic barbarity when describing a murder committed by The Hated Other.

            You’ve been busted, Gustav.

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          • Gustav

            “And he said this….
            Gustav: “Yet the posters here bring up Mohammed Khedir whose murder was despicable but was also a reaction to another terrorist act by Arabs in which three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered in cold blood”

            That was my way of reminding the poster in question not to limit her complaints to what Israelis do but talk about what Palestinian Arabs do too. But which bit of “despicable” does not sound to you as if I don’t condemn Israeli murderers?

            Have you got a problem with being reminded of Palestinian Arabs acts of terrorism too WHATSHISFACE? Of course you do. Because you too are just one of those posters who pretends that the Saint Palestinians do no wrong, “only Israelis do”.

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          • Gustav

            … and yes sunshine, I DID say that the murder was in reaction to the murder of the three Israeli teenagers. You know why I said it? Because that’s what the Israeli perpetrators claimed.

            iIndeed I have reason to believe that they were not lying about that. Does that mean that I agree with them about their crime? Only in your feverish mind, WHATSHISFACE. Logic is not exactly your forte is it?

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          • Yeah, right

            Gustav: “and yes sunshine, I DID say that the murder was in reaction to the murder of the three Israeli teenagers.”

            Well, gosh, hardly a revelation.

            Gustav: “You know why I said it? Because that’s what the Israeli perpetrators claimed.”

            Hmmm. And what reason did the perpetrator of this crime give to the police?

            Oh, yeah, that’s right…. too busy being riddled with bullets to put out a statement.

            You still don’t get it, do you?

            You still insist on arguing to only one side of the argument.

            When a murder is committed you are oh-so-willing to explain to us the perpetrator’s motivation… when the perpetrator is a member of your own tribe.

            When the perpetrator isn’t a member of your own tribe then his motivation doesn’t count, all you care about is demonizing him.

            Double-standards, born of a racist, tribalist mindset.

            That’s you, Gustav.

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          • Gustav

            GUSTAV: “and yes sunshine, I DID say that the murder was in reaction to the murder of the three Israeli teenagers.”

            WHATSHISFACE:”Well, gosh, hardly a revelation.”

            I see … back with the ‘goshes’ again? Well then, here is a golly gosh to you in return.

            GUSTAV: “You know why I said it? Because that’s what the Israeli perpetrators claimed.”

            WHATSHISFACE:”Hmmm. And what reason did the perpetrator of this crime give to the police?

            Oh, yeah, that’s right…. too busy being riddled with bullets to put out a statement.”

            A very cryptic comment. Are you trying to make a point here? Because you ain’t succeeding.

            WHATSHISFACE:”You still don’t get it, do you?”

            You still insist on arguing to only one side of the argument.”

            What? You want me to argue YOUR side of the argument too? Then who will argue mine? You? Are you trying to be funny? Because you ain’t succeeding. Try harder …

            WHATSHISFACE:”When a murder is committed you are oh-so-willing to explain to us the perpetrator’s motivation… when the perpetrator is a member of your own tribe.”

            Nope, you are pretty thick aren’t you? I already said that I condemn Israelis too if they commit senseless terrorist acts. Nor do I understand or condone his act. Are you really this thick in the head? Or are you just pretending?

            Here read my lips my slow witted friend. I brought up the murder of the three Israeli teens by members of YOUR tribe, because like minded people (like you) tried to pretend that only we are the ones who do bad things. What’s the matter? Don’t you like to hear the truth that it ain’t so?

            WHATSHISFACE:”When the perpetrator isn’t a member of your own tribe then his motivation doesn’t count, all you care about is demonizing him.”

            Oh dear … you want me to understand his motivation for mindless murder? Nah I don’t want to. But it worries me that you are falling over backwards to understand and excuse him. Maybe you are so understanding that you are like him in fact? I really do hope that someone is keeping an eye on you …

            WHATSHISFACE:”Double-standards, born of a racist, tribalist mindset.

            That’s you, Gustav.”

            Coming from someone like you it is like water off a duck’s back. Keep on repeating your lies to yourself. You are used to believing your own lies, WHATSHISFACE. You might even convince your little kiddie buddies here but anyone reasonable just laughs at your idiotic attempts to smear and pathetic tries to be funny.

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          • Yeah, right

            Gustav: “But which bit of “despicable” does not sound to you as if I don’t condemn Israeli murderers?”

            OK, I’ve already pointed out to Gustav that he is erecting a straw man whenever he argues over whether or not he has “condemned” the murder of Mohammed Kheir.

            The real argument is this: why did Gustav feel the need to put in a rider (“but…”) after he has condemned a murder carried out by an Israeli, but sees absolutely no reason to do the same with respect to a murder carried out by a Palestinian.

            An Israeli who murders requires an explanation in Gustav-world, but as far as he is concerned that isn’t required when a Palestinian murders.

            Apparently, Palestinians commit murder because… well…. no reason, really.

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          • Gustav

            GUSTAV: “But which bit of “despicable” does not sound to you as if I don’t condemn Israeli murderers?”

            WHATSHISFACE:”OK, I’ve already pointed out to Gustav that he is erecting a straw man whenever he argues over whether or not he has “condemned” the murder of Mohammed Kheir.

            The real argument is this: why did Gustav feel the need to put in a rider (“but…”) after he has condemned a murder carried out by an Israeli, but sees absolutely no reason to do the same with respect to a murder carried out by a Palestinian.”

            Oh noooooo … not the dreaded “straw man” rebuttal by WHATSHISFACE….

            Poor poor poor WHATSHISFACE, he just does not get it. Here, read my lips: I was making the point to Marnie, that Mohammed Khdeir’s murder was not the only one. I reminded her that before his murder, three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and executed by two Palestinian Arab terrorists. Does it really bother you so much that I reminded her of that fact? Because, somehow she forgot to mention it and was trying to tell all and sundry how evil we are. I just thought that someone needs to balance the scales a bit. Heck, it may as well be me. Any objections, WHATSHISFACE?

            WHATSHISFACE:”An Israeli who murders requires an explanation in Gustav-world, but as far as he is concerned”

            Really? Then what I said in my previous posts and here just does not sink into your concrete reinforced head. I called the murder despicable and I also said that there isn’t an excuse for it. I also called it idiotic. Now go on: repeat yourself 100 more times and each time you will read the same explanation from me.

            WHATSHISFACE:”that isn’t required when a Palestinian murders.

            Apparently, Palestinians commit murder because… well…. no reason, really.”

            Not really, WHATSHISFACE, because you and your like minded little elves come up with all the excuses to explain Palestinian Arab murders and to excuse them. You know why? Of course you do. Because you people are the ones who are guilty of what you accuse us of: YOU are the true racists. There, I said it. I dared to accuse you of what you accused me. Now I await the chorus of condemnations from your fellow ideologues for invoking the race card. What a bunch of hypocrites.

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          • Gustav

            “OK, I’ve already pointed out to Gustav that he is erecting a straw man”

            Right, he ‘goshed’ and now it is time to drag out that dreaded “straw man” argument. How do I counter such dreaded ploy? LOL.

            Ok WHATSHISFACE, you can go on repeating yourself. I have already answered all your accusations and other assorted BS.

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          • Brilliant post and without hubris. Thanks for saying what I was trying for.

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          • Kiwi

            Brilliant post without hubris? Are you are joshing?

            This ‘Yeah, Right’ guy is a pompous flibbety gobbet. He never stops repeating himself.

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        • Kiwi

          You obviously have not read what Gustav said, Ray.

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          • Kiwi

            “Bullshit, it was REVENGE,”

            You don’t like revenge? Not much, huh? You seem to condone revenge when it is perpetrated by Arabs against Jews.

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      • Yeah, right

        Gustav: “Yet the posters here bring up Mohammed Khedir whose murder was despicable but was also a reaction to another terrorist act by Arabs in which three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped and murdered in cold blood.”

        The “but” acts to excuse the crime.

        Which is in marked contrast to the screed that preceded that paragraph.

        This one:
        Gustav: “A bastard terrorist murders Israelis indiscriminately yet again.”

        Note the missing “but was also a reaction to decades of occupation, oppression and the murder of thousands of Palestinians all in the pursuit of the dispossession of the Palestinians].

        Mohammed Khedir was murdered because three Israelis were killed by those pushing their nationalist agenda.

        Agreed, he was.

        And this event happened because two thousand Palestinians were killed by Israel, and not all that long ago.

        That’s a pretty big “but”, and no mistaking.

        Yet as far as Gustav is concerned we are all supposed to pretend that never happened, though he never ceases to remind us of how big a “but” he has when it is convenient for his argument.

        I believe it’s called “chutzpah”.

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        • Gustav

          “The “but” acts to excuse the crime.”

          Really? But me saying that it was “despicable” should be ignored? Ok, if you say so.

          “Which is in marked contrast to the screed that preceded that paragraph.

          This one:
          Gustav: “A bastard terrorist murders Israelis indiscriminately yet again.”

          Note the missing “but was also a reaction to decades of occupation, oppression and the murder of thousands of Palestinians all in the pursuit of the dispossession of the Palestinians].”

          Physician, heal thyself. Have you condemned this despicable terrorist act? No of course not. All you talk about is “evil Israel” and “evil those who support Israel”.

          “Mohammed Khedir was murdered because three Israelis were killed by those pushing their nationalist agenda.

          Agreed, he was.”

          No, I disagree, he actually was murdered by bastards who believe in revenge and picked on someone randomly to carry out their crime. A bit like what Palestinian terrorists do to Israelis. See? I am consistent in condemning criminals be it Israelis or Arabs. Unlike you and your ilk.

          “And this event happened because two thousand Palestinians were killed by Israel, and not all that long ago.

          That’s a pretty big “but”, and no mistaking.”

          Thank you for proving my point. I hope someone picks on you or those you love to be a random target for their bit of revenge against whoever they hate. We will see how you’ll react to that.

          “Yet as far as Gustav is concerned we are all supposed to pretend that never happened, though he never ceases to remind us of how big a “but” he has when it is convenient for his argument.”

          Your above bit of stupidity just proved my accusation against you. You condone random acts of terrorism such as the above. And stop pretending that the war in Gaza was not Hamas’s fault, you asshole.

          “I believe it’s called “chutzpah”.”

          And I believe that your sentiments above makes you a hateful asshole.

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          • Yeah, right

            Gustav: “Physician, heal thyself. Have you condemned this despicable terrorist act? No of course not.”

            Sunshine, you are barking up the wrong tree.

            In the case of the murder of Muhammed Khedir you have condemned the murder **BUT** you express the opinion that his murder has a rational explanation.

            By way of marked contrast you condemn the murder of this border policeman **AND** you express your outrage at the mindless barbarity that you claim it represents.

            Compare and contrast….

            I condemn the murder of Muhammed Khedir and (just like you) I can state my understanding of the motivation that lay behind it.

            I also condemn the murder of this border policeman and (unlike you) I also understand the motivation behind it, whereas you consider it to be incomprehensible.

            Now, this is a truism: I can understand the motivations that drive both Israelis and Palestinians to acts of violence, and by doing so I am not stating that I agree with those motives nor am I in any way excusing that violence.

            Unlike you, who simply demonizes the Palestinians as little more than mindless feral animals.

            You should watch that attitude, Gustav, because it allows a wee touch of racism to poke out of that tribal mindset of yours….

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          • Gustav

            “I also condemn the murder of this border policeman and (unlike you) I also understand the motivation behind it, whereas you consider it to be incomprehensible.”

            Really? Look how long it took you to do so. Better late than never though. Then again I might have shoved a stick up your back passage by mentioning the terrorist watchlist and let’s just say you have become “slightly” concerned, right sunshine? That’s why you now try to sound a bit more reasonable.

            Oh and I don’t consider the act of this terrorist incomprehensible at all. It is an act of political terrorism of the type which your Palestinian Arabs have been perpetrating against us for the last 100 years, way before there were settlements or before they were under our control and before the Gaza war too which your Hamas friends started.

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          • Yeah, right

            Gustav: “Really? Look how long it took you to do so.”

            Oh, please, spare me. I didn’t realize this was a race.

            Gustav: “Then again I might have shoved a stick up your back passage by mentioning the terrorist watchlist”…

            No, because I didn’t notice your reference.

            And I’ll be honest – I still can’t be bothered to go back and find out what you are muttering about.

            Gustav: “and let’s just say you have become “slightly” concerned, right sunshine?”

            You can “say” anything you want, but like most of the stuff you spout it’d be wrong.

            Gustav: “That’s why you now try to sound a bit more reasonable.”

            No, but it’s nice to have confirmation that one of us uses reason. When are you planning to start?

            Gustav: “Oh and I don’t consider the act of this terrorist incomprehensible at all.”…

            ….followed by another racist outpouring of bile from Gustav.

            Typical, I suppose, but not particularly “reasonable”.

            They hate “us” for…. being “us”. Apparently.

            Heaven forbid it should have anything to do with Zionism being predicated upon their displacement, which is something that the dispossessed normally would take a dim view of.

            Nah, why would they hate “us” for that?

            They must just hate “us” for being…. “us”.

            Whatever.

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          • Gustav

            GUSTAV: “Really? Look how long it took you to do so.”

            WHATSHISFACE:”Oh, please, spare me. I didn’t realize this was a race.”

            Race? Nah … in your case it is just an acute case of jaundice which needed a few little levers to somewhat diminish it’s symptoms. Hey, I know it’s harsh medicine but it’s for your own good.

            GUSTAV: “Then again I might have shoved a stick up your back passage by mentioning the terrorist watchlist”…

            WHATSHISFACE:”No, because I didn’t notice your reference.”

            No, not much …

            WHATSHISFACE:”And I’ll be honest”

            Really? I don’t think you have it in Ya …

            WHATSHISFACE:” – I still can’t be bothered to go back and find out what you are muttering about.”

            Yeah, Right, the truth always hurts Ya, yes I have noticed that about Ya.

            GUSTAV: “and let’s just say you have become “slightly” concerned, right sunshine?”

            WHATSHISFACE:”You can “say” anything you want,”

            Sure I will? But I will be sure to ask you, NOT!

            WHATSHISFACE:”but like most of the stuff you spout it’d be wrong.”

            … and you will be the judge of that? That will be the day … you certainly are not one who knows right from wrong …

            GUSTAV: “That’s why you now try to sound a bit more reasonable.”

            WHATSHISFACE:”No, but it’s nice to have confirmation that one of us uses reason. When are you planning to start?

            Oh, dearie, what a silly question. I have already left you way behind.

            GUSTAV: “Oh and I don’t consider the act of this terrorist incomprehensible at all.”…

            WHATSHISFACE:….followed by another racist outpouring of bile from Gustav.

            The paragraph below was what sunshine was referring to as racist:

            GUSTAV:”It is an act of political terrorism of the type which your Palestinian Arabs have been perpetrating against us for the last 100 years, way before there were settlements or before they were under our control and before the Gaza war too which your Hamas friends started.”

            Now, repeat after me, sunshine. Facts are not racism. Recounting factual history is not racism.

            WHATSHISFACE:”Typical, I suppose, but not particularly “reasonable”.

            What is not reasonable, dearie? Hearing real history? What next? If I will mention Germany’s dark history would that be racism too? Fact: the Palestinian Arabs have 100 years of terrorism against us. Get used to it and stop trying to bury REAL history. I know as an Arab, you would rather not talk about it but it happened and is still happening …

            WHATSHISFACE:”They hate “us” for…. being “us”. Apparently.”

            You mean they don’t?

            WHATSHISFACE:”Heaven forbid it should have anything to do with Zionism”

            Zionism is the Jewish nationalist movement. We are not allowed our nationalist movement? Only Arabs are allowed to have THEIR nationalist movement? That is RACIST WHATSHISFACE, you are a racist.

            WHATSHISFACE:”being predicated upon their displacement, which is something that the dispossessed normally would take a dim view of.”

            Being predicated on your racist distortions more like it.

            WHATSHISFACE:”Nah, why would they hate “us” for that?

            They must just hate “us” for being…. “us”.”

            So at least you DO admit that they hate us. I’ll add this though lest you pull out one of your “racist” smears against me once again:

            not all of them, just most of them hate us and we are not in love with them either, because of that and because of their history of trying to squash us instead of trying to share. There was and still is room for two nations in here.

            WHATSHISFACE:”Whatever.”

            Yea, whatever …

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          • Growl

            Gustav, you completely lost the argument when you said “I hope someone picks on you or those you love to be a random target for their bit of revenge against whoever they hate.”

            You hope that “Yeah,Right” will be targeted, or people that he loves will be targeted, because you have a disagreement with him. In other words, you fully understand revenge and are not condemning it at all, as long as those who suffer are not part of your tribe.

            Epic FAIL.

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          • Gustav

            Call it poetic justice. It really would be poetic justice for someone like him who supports terrorism to be targeted by terrorists.

            Revenge? Yea you could call it that. Yeah, Right I believe in that kind of revenge. Yeah, Right, the more I think about it, the more I warm up to the idea. Hey sue me …

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          • “Gustav, you completely lost the argument when you said “I hope someone picks on you or those you love to be a random target for their bit of revenge against whoever they hate.”

            That is about the point, but there were others; for instance, as soon as he stopped using Yeah, Right and went “Ginger Eis” and used WHATSHISFACE. Neat trick if your 5 years old. Any point “G” might have been trying to make was moot around this bit.

            “You hope that “Yeah,Right” will be targeted, or people that he loves will be targeted, because you have a disagreement with him. In other words, you fully understand revenge and are not condemning it at all, as long as those who suffer are not part of your tribe.”

            It seems to be part and parcel of zionist central. Look mate, when your losing the argument (of course you never are, but if it looks like that) always lay the curse on ’em – hope they’re in a bombing or someone they love is in a bombing, tell them to go live in Syria, tell them to live in Gaza, tell them to kill themselves and suggest creative ways, call them different names than the one they are using to diminish there significance (like we do with the “Palestinians” by saying they never existed, there is no such people, etc.).

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          • Gustav

            Hey Manic

            I don’t take notice when the likes of you attempt to assess who won or lost an argument. Wanna know why? Simply on account of your KNOWN and demonstrated bias.

            As for Zionist central, yea, you are right. We are as vindictive towards our enemies as anyone else is. No, we don’t turn the other cheek either.

            Soooooopo … I have no problems to admitting to wishing on those who support terrorism to become victims of terrorism. As I said, I call that poetic justice.

            You too can sue me if you don’t like it, LOL.

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          • Gustav

            So let me make myself crystal clear. What do I mean.

            I am against all forms of terrorism by whomever for whatever reason and wherever. Some in here are apologists for terrorism. Or worse, they justify and even support it. So what I wish is for those people to become victims of the very terrorists whom they support. That is NOT me doing something to them. That is them getting hurt by the monsters who they help to create. It is the very definition of poetic justice. It is equivalent to kids being cautioned not to play with fire lest they be burnt by it …

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    5. Bruce Gould

      Nice quote from “Gaza: The Murderous Melodrama” in the New York Review Of Books (by an Israeli – highly recommended analysis of the situation):

      In this starkly polarized vision of reality, in which Israelis are by definition innocent victims of dark, irrational forces operating against them, heroic death in war always makes sense, and violent coercion is the option both of necessity and of choice. The Hebrew proverb says: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.” But this summer the proverb failed to deliver.

      http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/nov/20/gaza-murderous-melodrama/?insrc=hpss

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    6. “The Brians, the Marnies and the Dannys who post here are perverse human beings who enjoy and encourage this mad cycle of murder and revenge. I don’t think they ever want to see it stop.”
      I was thinking the exact same thing about you, trespasser, Richard, Bar, Bor, Ginger, Ginger Eis, PedroX.

      Gustav, the “I don’t think” part is the only thing you got right. How am I encouraging this? Explanation please. That’s an accusation that I won’t take lightly. You should watch yourself because you slip into that Ginger Eis blame-throwing and name-calling persona so quick and easy I believe you’re one in the same. I’m sure hasbara pays well, but you’re probably encouraged to assume multiple personas, I’m sure it’s difficult to find people as dedicated as you seem to be.

      “(The dead border policeman was a Druze he wasn’t even Jewish)” That’s a little weird – what does that have to do with anything?

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      • Yeah, right

        ” ‘(The dead border policeman was a Druze he wasn’t even Jewish)’ That’s a little weird – what does that have to do with anything?”

        Yes, I noticed that too.

        Gustav thinks only in tribal terms.

        It doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that this driver attacked that group because they were “border police”, and therefore representative of what he regards as an oppressive police state.

        I doubt that it ever occurred to him to stop his car, wind down his window, and politely ask to see their identity papers.

        “Oh, Druze? Right, good, have a nice day, chaps”

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        • Gustav

          MARNIE:” ‘(The dead border policeman was a Druze he wasn’t even Jewish)’ That’s a little weird – what does that have to do with anything?”

          WHATSHISFACE:”Yes, I noticed that too.

          Gustav thinks only in tribal terms.”

          And in what terms do you think? You think like the terrorists. You say, “oh goodie, Israelis. They are fit to be murdered no matter who they are”. I suppose you don’t think that is tribal?

          WHATSHISFACE:”It doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that this driver attacked that group because they were “border police”, and therefore representative of what he regards as an oppressive police state.”

          Police state? My foot!

          Just for interest though, this poor Druze policeman had a pregnant wife and an infant child and he got murdered because the terrorist prick thought he was Jewish.

          WHATSHISFACE:”I doubt that it ever occurred to him to stop his car, wind down his window, and politely ask to see their identity papers.

          “Oh, Druze? Right, good, have a nice day, chaps”

          You are right. The terrorist prick didn’t care who he was murdering as long as they were Jews. And stop pretending that only policemen were in that crowd into which he so callously slammed his vehicle. There were men, women and children standing there. In fact, the civilians were in the majority.

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          • Brian

            Gustav is eliding (skipping over with so much verbiage) a crucial distinction, expressed above, which I reproduce:
            “It doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that this driver attacked that group because they were “border police”, and therefore representative of what he regards as an oppressive police state.” It’s not about “Jews.” Druze or Jews, it’s about the police state. Saying it’s all about Jews Jews Jews is an emotional ploy. Designed to distract. Whether Gustav even realizes what he is doing or not.

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          • Gustav

            “It doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that this driver attacked that group because they were “border police”

            Amazing, just Amazing. Our intrepid Brian always draws the wrong conclusions. And not by accident either. He is a crude propagandist.

            “The terrorist then fled the van and attempted to attack innocent men, women and children with a crow bar, but was shot and killed by a police officer,” he said. “14 victims were rushed to area hospitals for treatment.”

            Which bit of innocent men women and children does Brian not understand? There were only THREE, that is 3, border policemen in the crowd!

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          • Gustav

            “Only two weeks ago, a similar attack was carried out by Abd al-Rahman Shaloudi, who killed a baby girl and a young woman from Ecuador at a train platform just down the road from Wednesday’s attack.”

            Was the baby girl a border policeman too?

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      • Gustav

        “How am I encouraging this? Explanation please”

        In the other thread, you brought up only the kidnap of Mohammad Khedir and you brought it up completely out of context. You did not mention the terrorist act which precipitated that despicable revenge attack.

        You know what that tells me? It tells me that you had no problems whatsoever with the kidnapping and murder of the three Israeli teenagers.

        And you took the same tone on this thread. You attackedIsrael instead of condemning THIS despicable terrorist act. You are being Perverse, just perverse like your other friends here. You are all disgusting. All you provoke is hatred.

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        • Gustav –
          You don’t run this site and aren’t a moderator. You can stomp your feet and hold your breath as long as you want, but the only thing you run is your mouth. No matter how I try to talk to you the end result is always the same. As I said on another thread (you’re a stalker too?) Revenge/vengeance belongs to the Lord, Not to Muslim or Jew. REVENGE is never justified. REVENGE is just the gift that keeps giving, self-perpetuating and endless and incredibly STUPID. Also if you’re going to bring up what I said somewhere else, there’s this copy and paste function you could try, I mean just in case someone might think you’re not being honest.

          The GOI wants everything, now, and only on their terms. They’re just off the heels of their biennial Fire and Brimstone tour of Gaza, killing 2200 souls, 70% non-combatants and of that 70% 500+ children.

          In other news: AP 4:22 a.m. EST November 5, 2014

          JERUSALEM (AP) — Amnesty International on Wednesday accused Israel of committing war crimes during the war in the Gaza Strip this summer, saying it displayed “callous indifference” in attacks on family homes in the densely populated coastal area.”

          I know, I know. Amnesty International is some leftist, pro-arab fly by night operation. The AP is antisemitic. . . . . . . . .

          Let’s pretend we’re grown ups and just agree to disagree, without all the other nonsense.

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          • Gustav

            Well dearie, so long as they don’t ban me for telling the truth here, I will keep on posting here and tell you the other side of the story.

            You don’t like it? You are not the moderator either so all you can do is stomp your little feet about it but I will still address your posts too if I catch you out on something and I will point it out for anyone to see. You don’t like that either? Then don’t say things may embarrass you because rest assured, if I can catch you out, I will. Here is one promise though, I will keep it honest and I won’t tell lies. Unlike some in here who do.

            Simple, isn’t it?

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    7. Baladi Akka 1948

      Strange …. The article clearly says that the Palestinian teen was kidnapped in East Jerusalem, but the attack is only described as “in Jerusalem”, and the linked article in Haaretz states that Shimon Hatzadik Street is “near East Jerusalem”.
      How come I get the impression that you ‘liberal/progressive’ guys want to hide where this exactly took place. Does that mean you make no distinction between East and West Jerusalem ? (Hasbaristas don’t need to answer my question….).

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    8. Great post.. thanks for your quality work really appreciated 🙂

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    9. phil

      The second attack clearly targeted occupation forces only..

      as such it is a legitimate act of resistance against an occupying military force.

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      • “The second attack clearly targeted occupation forces only..

        as such it is a legitimate act of resistance against an occupying military force.”

        Thanks for taking the time to post this.

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    10. Bruce Gould

      Watch ‘The Law In These Parts’ (just use Google – you’ll find it) – it’s a documentary about the Israeli legal system. Basically the Israelis have turned the entire West Bank into Alabama circa 1890, if you the reference. No one in their right mind “justifies’ violence but it can be understood, it has a context.

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      • “No one in their right mind “justifies’ violence but it can be understood, it has a context.”

        Most definitely. Looking forward to watching “The Law in These Parts”.

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    11. Ben Zakkai

      We need a political solution. The status quo sucks — I can’t begin to describe what it feels like to live in Jerusalem right now — and applying more force will not make the underlying problems go away.

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      • Could you try to describe what’s going on, what you see?
        Agree, the GOI is now throwing gasoline on the fire making the situation go from bad to horrible.

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    12. Utemia

      Wow, that is horrible. I don’t understand how people still think that this kind of actions are in any acceptable behaviour or will kind of contribute to speed up a political process to get what they want.

      What disturbs me the most is people cheering, regardless of who comitted the attack and who the victims are, the other side is celebrating. This has to stop, this is not the way civilized people behave.

      I don’t know why Abbas isn’t condemming this. Is it because this unity with Hamas would break if he did, or other political reasons? He should strongly condemn acts of violence and terror, not only because they are despicable, but also these are counterproductive to his cause. Every single person that dies or gets injured widens the chasm, and legitimizes Israel cracking down hard, and everybody will support it – because how can you not in this situation? They have to stop attacks and protect civilians.

      Netanyahu doesn’t seem to be doing anything constructive to calm things down either – maybe political pressure on his side too of not giving in and negotiating to terrorists or some crap like that. So, everybody keeps staunchly to their respective position because the hardliners in each camp are idiots.

      It’s like a slowmotion catastrophy.

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      • Gustav

        Utemia

        Well said. I agree with you. I’ll say it again. Random acts of terror and vengeance are totally unacceptable whether Arabs or we Israelis do it. No excuses for it. Nor should there be understanding for it. None. The perpetrators must be punished whoever they are.

        In fact, Israel made it it’s business to catch the despicable murderers of Mohammed Khdir. And they are already rotting in jail. As they should..

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    13. “Then don’t say things may embarrass you because rest assured, if I can catch you out, I will. Here is one promise though, I will keep it honest and I won’t tell lies. Unlike some in here who do.”

      “…if I can catch you out, I will. Here is one promise though, I will keep it honest and I won’t tell lies.”

      “…if I can catch you out, I will. Here is one promise though, I will keep it honest and I won’t tell lies.”

      Looking forward to this.

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      • Gustav

        Really? Then this is one more promise from me.

        If you will be honest, and not too one sided I will respect your wishes and I won’t address any of my posts to you if that is really what you want.

        Otherwise …

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        • MuslimJew

          “Otherwise …”

          … I’ll crap out more mindless hasbara, while I whack off and think of Israel.

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          • Gustav

            Brian? Is that you? Your poopsie inner self again?

            Time to grow up little child … then again, some people never grow up. Their only way to argue is to throw hissy fits, LOL.

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    14. Utemia

      B’Tselem published a little press release that more or less said that J’salem is cracking down hard on East Jerusalem neighbourhoods and enforcing municipal regulations and laws that have never beeen enforce before and aren’t enforced anywhere else. People get ticket with fines etc.

      The goal behind this is to get the people that live there to police themselves. In essence, it’s a version of blackmail, or, if you will, the version of “Stick and Carrot” where the carrot equals “avoiding an even bigger stick”.

      Maybe using an actual carrot would work a lot better? Metaphorically speaking.. im not sure using actual *actual* carrots would please anybody but the donkeys.

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      • Kolumn8

        The carrot will be to lighten the current strict enforcement of the law. This is a standard police tactic used pretty much everywhere.

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        • Utemia

          But this method also punishes all those people who aren’t involved in any of the violence.

          And if I understand it correctly, there is no underlying terrorist network that organizes these, just a lot of individuals who decide on their own to go and commit vehicular murder, and Hamas is calling for more of the same.

          How is collective punishment going to stop individuals that are willing to kill others and themselves? If these people are willing to die, im not sure this increased stick will have an impact. And what if it does not actually work? What do you then? MORE of the same?

          I just think this is maybe not the most productive way to deescalate and get things under controll. It sells good, tough on crime always does, but it does not seem to be an effective deterrent.

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        • MuslimJew

          “The carrot will be to lighten the current strict enforcement of the law. This is a standard police tactic used pretty much everywhere.”

          Shove a “carrot” up your ass so you can poop it out and then “explain” to us how it was really an apple on a stick.

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          • Gustav

            How is your fish mother, poopsie?

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    15. self-aggrandizement or self-aggrandisement(ˌsɛlfəˈɡrændɪzmənt)

      noun
      the act of increasing one’s own power, importance, etc, esp in an aggressive or ruthless manner.

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      • Gustav

        Time to sum up …

        After 61 posts on this thread, only two people came out and unconditionally condemned terrorism by whoever … whenever … and for whatever reason. Those people are:

        1. Utema
        and …
        2. Me, Gustav

        The rest of the people who posted here, either ignored or excused terrorism committed by Palestinian Arabs. One of them, whom I call WHATSHISFACE (Mr Yeah, Right) has not only refused to condemn Arab terrorism, but he called me a racist for daring to speak about it. And worse, he accused ME of making excuses for terrorists even though at least five (5) times I specifically condemned all terrorism and terrorists on both sides.

        Yet I am still waiting for WHATSHISFACE to come out of his shell and do likewise. Of course he has not and will not because at the least he is a hypocrite. At the worst? You make up your mind …

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        • After 61 posts on this thread, only two people came out and unconditionally condemned terrorism by whoever … whenever … and for whatever reason. Those people are:

          1. Utema
          and …
          2. Me, Gustav

          #1 “Utemia”.

          #2 is still just #2.

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          • Gustav

            ?????

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          • “Hey Manic

            I don’t take notice when the likes of you attempt to assess who won or lost an argument. Wanna know why? Simply on account of your KNOWN and demonstrated bias.”

            It was the likes of you who attempted to ass who won or lost an argument when you posted this hilarious tidbit:
            “After 61 posts on this thread, only two people came out and unconditionally condemned terrorism by whoever … whenever … and for whatever reason. Those people are:

            1. Utema
            and …
            2. Me, Gustav”

            to which I corrected the spelling of #1, which is Utemia.
            It must have killed ya to put Utemia first, but I’m guessing it was an attempt on your part at chivalry. However, I think it was a classic freudian slip putting yourself in at #2. Anyway I responded with “#2 is still #2”, of course using the timeless definition for #2, which is, and always will be excrement.

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          • It should read “attempted to assess….”

            On a much more interesting note, Update (2:45 p.m., Thursday):

            ‘A Palestinian man turned himself into Israeli authorities Thursday saying that he struck the three soldiers Wednesday night. Israeli security officials later told the media that the incident was most likely a hit-and-run traffic accident and not an attack targeting the soldiers.’

            I can’t imagine how difficult it was for this man to turn himself in, but give him a lot of credit for doing the right thing.

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          • Gustav

            “It was the likes of you who attempted to ass who won or lost an argument when you posted this hilarious tidbit:
            “After 61 posts on this thread …”

            Not really, dearie. It was just a statement of fact indicting posters such as yourself who act as apologists for terror and terrorists.

            FACT: Utemia and I were the only posters who condemned terror and terrorism by anyone anywhere unconditionally.

            But since you consider that to be a declaration of victory, can I take it that there is hope for you yet?

            Then again, your childish talk about “excrement” just shows helpless fury and hatred because you cannot use reason and logic. Hey, don’t fret, we all have an inner child in us but for some people (like you, dearie) it manifests itself more easily so you resort to name calling when you run out of arguments …

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        • MuslimJew

          “Time to sum up …”

          “#2” is still a delusional asshole, whose sole purpose is to shit out hasbara.

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          • Gustav

            Oh goodie, Poopsie is back to spue hatred and to demonstrate what Israel is up against.

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    16. Gustav

      Spue = Spew

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    17. “But since you consider that to be a declaration of victory, can I take it that there is hope for you yet?”

      Wrong again G!

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      • Gustav

        ““But since you consider that to be a declaration of victory, can I take it that there is hope for you yet?”

        Wrong again G!”

        At least you are an honest no hoper.

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