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For Michelle Alexander’s critics, Palestinians don’t deserve civil rights

The uproar by Jewish establishment figures over Alexander’s New York Times essay in support of Palestinian rights echoes the reactions of white Americans to the Civil Rights Movement decades ago.

Michelle Alexander speaks at the Miller Center Forum, December 3, 2010. (Miller Center/CC BY 2.0)

Michelle Alexander speaks at the Miller Center Forum, December 3, 2010. (Miller Center/CC BY 2.0)

Michelle Alexander’s powerful New York Times essay on Saturday (“Time to Break the Silence on Palestine”), ahead of the commemoration of Martin Luther King Jr. Day, was arguably a milestone for the Palestine movement in the U.S.

First, for who wrote it: Alexander, the author of the seminal book The New Jim Crow, is a renowned lawyer and public intellectual respected for her activism and scholarship on racism in the U.S., who cannot easily be dismissed as “fringe.”

Second, for where it was written: in a leading mainstream newspaper, which more frequently features op-eds by Israel advocates like Bari Weiss, Matti Friedman, Bret Stephens, Shmuel Rosner, and even officials like Naftali Bennett.

Third, for when it was written: Alexander is the latest prominent Black American in recent months to vocally express — and be targeted for — her solidarity with the Palestinian people, after others like Tamika Mallory, Marc Lamont Hill, and Angela Davis faced similar public outrages and disavowals.

And fourth, for why it was written: to challenge the widespread fear of backlash, held by many progressive Americans, for publicly criticizing Israel and speaking up for Palestinian rights.

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The uproar over Alexander’s essay came swiftly from Jewish establishment groups and figures. Some of them are worth reading in full, if only to witness the hysteria and chutzpah of telling a Black woman how to remember one of the most significant African-American leaders in history, or how to interpret her knowledge of injustice:

  • The Anti-Defamation League (ADL): “We have great respect for Michelle Alexander & her path-breaking civil rights work, but her piece on the complex Israeli-Palestinian conflict is dangerously flawed, ignoring critical facts, history & the shared responsibility of both parties to resolve it.”
  • The American Jewish Committee (AJC): “MLK’s memory is not a moral cudgel to wield against any cause or country you disapprove of. Michelle Alexander’s op-ed is a shameful appropriation. We all have a long way to go to reach the mountaintop. There’s no need to take potshots at democratic Israel.”
  • David Harris, CEO of AJC: “Michelle Alexander’s piece: in essence, calls for #Israel’s end / approvingly cites extremists / invokes support of #MLKJr w/no factual basis / ignores Israel’s search for peace since ’48; nature of Hamas; terrorism; Jewish refugees from the Arab world.”
  • David Friedman, U.S. Ambassador to Israel: “Michelle Alexander has it all wrong in today’s @NYT. If MLK were alive today I think he would be very proud of his robust support for the State of Israel. An Arab in the ME [Middle East] who is gay, a woman, a Christian, or seeking education & self-improvement can’t do better than living in [Israeli flag].”
  • Michael Oren, Kulanu MK and former Israeli ambassador to the U.S.: “Ambassador Friedman is right but Israel has to take serious steps to defend itself. By equating support for Israel with support for the Vietnam War and opposition to MLK, Alexander dangerously deligitmizates [sic] us. It’s a strategic threat and Israel must treat it as such.”

Predictably, these establishment figures are attempting to re-enforce the parameters of “acceptable” conversation on the conflict. As far as they are concerned, there is no such thing as a legitimate moral stance in support of Palestinian rights; the only things Palestinians produce are rockets and racism, and anyone who associates with their cause are either misguided or anti-Semitic.

Martin Luther King Jr. delivers his 'I Have a Dream Speech,' Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.

Martin Luther King Jr. delivers his ‘I Have a Dream Speech,’ Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C.

It is especially ironic that those accusing Alexander of manipulating King’s legacy are also known for claiming, among other things, that using nonviolent tactics such as boycotts against Israel is racist, discriminatory, provocative, and/or unhelpful. King, and the Civil Rights Movement as a whole, were accused of the same during their campaigns of civil disobedience in the 1950s-60s.

As Jeanne Theoharis recounted in TIME this month, the U.S. government, the FBI, and local police forces used heavy surveillance, brutal force, and criminal indictments to undermine King and other Black leaders, viewing their activities as “dangerous,” “demagogic,” and “treasonous.” Polling data and media responses at the time further show that, far from being revered, the Civil Rights Movement was in fact “deeply unpopular” among the white American majority both in the South and the North:

Most Americans thought it [the movement] was going too far and movement activists were being too extreme. Some thought its goals were wrong; others that activists were going about it the wrong way – and most white Americans were happy with the status quo as it was. And so, they criticized, monitored, demonized and at times criminalized those who challenged the way things were, making dissent very costly.

This precisely describes the conditions of the Palestine movement today. Not only are Palestinian rights demands often viewed as extreme in the American public discourse (particularly the right of return), but opposition to Israeli policies face an aggressive political and legal infrastructure designed to quash it. These include new federal and state laws aimed at criminalizing BDS and conflating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.

Moreover, the frequent portrayal of Israel as a victim of Palestinian oppression, or that both sides share equal responsibility, is a fallacy disguising the gross asymmetry of the conflict. Explaining why it was disingenuous to tell Black Americans to do more to overcome their inequality, King once told a reporter “it’s a cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps.” It is just as disingenuous to say that Palestinians have bootstraps to lift while they are subjected to exile, occupation, blockade, discrimination, and silencing of dissent.

As Alexander noted, King was an open supporter of Israel and Zionism in his time. However, it became increasingly difficult for him to reconcile that position with the universal values he promoted. Today, it is even clearer that his belief in justice, equality, and restitution for people under oppression – demands that are at the heart of the Palestinian cause – are antithetical to Israel’s goal of preserving Jewish superiority, and to its view of Palestinian nonviolence as equivalent to violence.

It is this realization that has led many Black American activists today – who have followed, built on, and transformed King’s legacy – to include Palestinian rights in their struggle for global justice. As Alexander wrote, Israeli practices have become inescapably “reminiscent of apartheid in South Africa and Jim Crow segregation in the United States,” and as such, require progressives to be consistent in the values they claim to uphold. The fact that a person like Alexander is adding her voice to this growing movement could further widen the doors for others to follow suit.

Though it is impossible to know what King would believe today, one could guess that he may have been taken aback by how similar the reactions to the Palestinian cause are to white America’s reactions to his own. Despite what Alexander’s critics claim, the real betrayal of King’s legacy is to think that Palestinians ought to remain subservient to Israel’s supremacist demands, as if they don’t deserve the same rights King fought to achieve for his own people.

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    1. Ben

      The hysteria and the chutzpah indeed. Amjad Iraqi’s quotations of Jewish establishment figures and their routine fallacies is very effective and well explained. Another illuminating, well-written piece. Thank you.

      Dahlia Scheindlin: “Jewish leaders who freaked out about Michelle Alexander’s precise & pitch-perfect essay will look at themselves in the mirror one day & see great shame in their own eyes, when they admit that they knew all along.”

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    2. Bruce Gould

      @Ephraim Schwab: How many terror attacks on the Palestinians from the settlers did Shin Bet prevent in 2018 alone? How many home demolitions did it prevent? How much land did Shin Bet prevent the settlers from stealing? How many olive trees did it save?

      https://www.btselem.org/

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      • Stephen Schwab

        Mr. Gould. You’re speaking to a person who is completely honest and denounces violence emanating from both sides. I follow Btselem and yes settler violence is a real problem as is the expropriation of Palestinian private property. My plan will resolve both issues. Sorry but I’m educated.

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      • Stephen Schwab

        And what makes you think I dont denounce all of those crimes?Do you know me?

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    3. Ben

      @Ephraim Schwab: 

      “Non violent protest?”

      Yes, non-violent protest. Which Israel fears most and which Israel ruthlessly shuts down with as much ferocity as violent protest. And then complains when the lid comes off in violence. Israel especially fears non-violent protest. 

      Israel in fact does not allow *any* form of protest in the West Bank. It is a lie to say otherwise. 

      When the Palestinians take a non-violent route they are utterly ignored by an Israeli Jewish public that always wants to say “we have time, it’s quiet, what’s the problem?”—while at the same time this public’s army relentlessly clamps down on any protest and in fact tries to convert it to violence, which it says it fears but secretly loves because controlled violence–not too much, not too little–is Israel’s preferred mode of interaction and diversion, and victimhood-claiming; and peaceful protest is what it fears most. It is only when things get violently out of hand that Israel starts listening. And Israel only listens to violence. 

      Noam Sheizaf explains all of this very well:

      December 21, 2011
      The undeniable Palestinian right to resist occupation
      https://972mag.com/the-undeniable-palestinian-right-to-resist-our-occupation/30735/

      February 24, 2013
      Violence was never gone, so it cannot ‘return’
      https://972mag.com/violence-was-never-gone-so-it-cannot-return/66624/

      March 11, 2016
      Why do we only listen to violence?
      https://972mag.com/why-do-we-only-listen-to-violence/117773/

      One might read these three interrelated pieces and inform oneself.

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    4. Ben

      @Ephraim Schwab:

      If you’re “deeply educated” somebody left out crucial parts of your curriculum. Sensing this yesterday, before you told us how deeply educated you are, I posted links to some +972 Magazine reading for you. Maybe it will show up today.

      “Non violent protest?”

      Yes, non-violent protest. Which Israel fears most and which Israel ruthlessly shuts down with as much ferocity as violent protest. And then complains when the lid comes off in violence. Israel especially fears non-violent protest.

      Israel in fact does not allow *any* form of protest in the West Bank. It is a lie to say otherwise.

      When the Palestinians take a non-violent route they are both utterly ignored by an Israeli Jewish public that is always looking for an excuse to say “we have time, it’s quiet, what’s the problem?”—and at the same time this Israeli public’s army relentlessly clamps down on any protest and in fact tries to convert things to violence, which it says it fears but secretly loves because controlled violence–not too much, not too little–is Israel’s preferred mode of interaction and diversion, and peaceful protest is what it fears most. It is only when things get violently out of hand that Israel starts listening. And Israel only listens to violence.

      Noam Sheizaf explains all of this very well: Yesterday I posted three things he wrote in these page. Please look them up:

      December 21, 2011
      The undeniable Palestinian right to resist occupation

      February 24, 2013
      Violence was never gone, so it cannot ‘return’

      March 11, 2016
      Why do we only listen to violence?

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      • Ben

        For those who would blithely say, as does Ephraim Schwab, that settler violence and expropriation of Palestinian private property merely “continue to be problematic,” and for those who engage in the fake both-sidism of saying that they have consistently denounced violence from “both sides”——they especially need to read Sheziaf’s essay, “Violence was never gone, so it cannot ‘return’”:
        https://972mag.com/violence-was-never-gone-so-it-cannot-return/66624/

        “…From an honest perspective it is impossible to talk about “a return of violence” in the Israeli/Palestinian issue, because violence was never gone – it was simply only directed at one side. The occupation itself is violence…”

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        • Ben

          And then they need to read the following, not just for its description of the sadistic treatment meted out by settlers, but for

          (1) the utter impunity with which they do it, the utter surety that they will never be brought to justice, and,

          (2) the way the IDF and the Israeli secret services couple this protection of criminal settlers with at the very same time a ruthless persecution of the very Palestinians non-violently protesting against this savaging of a farmers fields and livelihood.

          The Sadists Who Destroyed a Decades-old Palestinian Olive Grove Can Rest Easy
          https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-sadists-who-destroyed-a-decades-old-palestinian-olive-grove-can-rest-easy-1.6870077

          “…Everyone in the village knows that the PA can do nothing. So, about two months ago, the residents launched a popular protest, just as citizens of other villages before them have done – from Kaddoum, Nabi Saleh, Bil’in, Na’alin and others. Every Friday, they gather on their land, which lies on the eastern side of the Allon Road, and are confronted by a large number of army and Border Police forces, who disperse them with great quantities of tear gas that hangs like a pall over Al-Mughayyir, and with rubber bullets, rounds of “tutu” bullets (live 0.22-caliber bullets). Then come the nighttime arrests. Overnight this past Sunday, the troops arrested another seven villagers who took part in the demonstrations; 35 locals are currently in detention. This is the method Israel uses to suppress every popular protest in the territories…
          During the Friday protest two weeks ago, 30 villagers were wounded by rubber-coated metal bullets. The troops film the demonstrators and raid the village at night to arrest them – standard procedure in the villages of the struggle. Close to 100 residents have been detained during the past two months….”

          But to Ephraim Schwab all this is merely “continuing to be problematic.” But don’t worry, Ephraim’s working on it with a great plan to usher in “an era of peace” and “co-existence.” Suuuure he is.

          Schwab: Any questions? I’m afraid you’ve run into an educated person who can’t be bamboozled. Sorry!

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          • Stephen Schwab

            These people are slandering me,a person who has advocated for Palestinian return 4 years running.How dare you selectively post my comments.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            Here is a brief outline of the pan that Ive been advocating for 4 years running.I get up at 4am before my work day and try to convince the Israelis that it is the best way forward.
            Gradual Implementation of Return/Compensation for the descendants of both sets of refugees under the Umbrella of a Moratorium on Violence with punishments for violations to be negotiated out front in conjunction with the formation of a Supranational Federation whose dual Parliamentary structure would preserve the autonomy of both peoples.Both Israelis and Palestinians would be free to live anywhere in the land with equal rights. I have the support of Gazans and Palestinians in the diaspora who Ive engaged with in numerous marathon conversations. None of the Palestinians living between the river and the sea have the agency to advocate openly for an equal sharing of the land.Therefore it is up to all of us to create a movement.(Not BDS whose intent is destructive and seeks to undermine Israeli autonomy)

            http://www.pa-il.org/en/constitution

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          • Stephen Schwab

            Typical internet hit and run bullshit artists. Is that how you get your kicks Benny poo?Abuse and on to the next thread. Real peacemakers!Its the let’s bash Israel fest .Any skin in the game Benny?How do you feel when Jewish girls get their throats slit?I for one couldnt keep the Sabbath when I knew that a Palestinian youth had been shot at the Gaza fence.While you’re sitting around bashing Israel I’m out there doing everything within my power to stop the carnage and deescalate the violence.Look up Ahmed Aburtema who was one of the main organizers and let him tell you how there is nothing that he can do to stop the rioting.Hamas used his sorry ass.He even got an award for it!Poor guy!And all he really wants to do is pray at Al Aqsa.Pathetic hostages of a death cult!While your at it look up Rami Aman,a real peace activist who puts his life on the line to promote good relations with his Israeli brothers.Hamas kidnapped him off the street a few weeks back and interrogated him for 9 hours.

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        • Stephen Schwab

          Damn straight I denounce violence from both sides.And here’s a link for you since you dont think violence towards Israeli civilians exists.If it werent for the vigilance of the security forces who knows what the numbers would be.If you dont believe me then check my wall if you’re not a disingenuous individual.
          https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel

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        • Stephen Schwab

          Now that you’ve passed judgment on me without knowing a thing about me are you going to man up and have a normal conversation or should I just move on from this nonsense.If you think I dont know about how criminal these leaders are on both sides you are mistaken.I just figured out a way that the leaders can be bypassed but it aint going to happen without a unified coalition from both camps which is why BDS is counterproductive.You think that by forcing a binational single state ito existence you will be preventing more bloodshed?The Palestinian extremists are not going to stop at a State in the West Bank.Chief negotiator Stephen Cohen who recently passed said it very clearly.Arafat backed away because he didnt have the heart to tell his people that they wouldnt be returning to Yaffo and Haifa.What is needed is a Supranational Confederation that is not based on a land division.It is a hard sell but if the renunciation of violence is cultivated between people on the ground a shared society is possible.Two States will lead to a bloodbath that will make the occupation look like a carnival.There is simply no evidence that extremists wont seize the reigns of power and bring catastrophe on their people.If you have any real compassion for Palestinians you’ll start advocating for a Supranational Federation whose dual Parliamentary structure will both preserve the autonomy of both communities while serving to marginalize extremists.

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    5. Ben

      @Jeffery Wilens: The United States is not belligerently occupying Mexico. The United States temporarily occupied Germany and Japan but never established American civilian settlements there and never did anything like what Israel has done to the Palestinians day in day out, night in night out, for fifty years, and the United States pulled out of Germany entirely in four years and out of Japan in seven years and claimed no territory there whatsoever. Your analogies are deeply false and deeply un-American. If the United States fifty years after 1945 were occupying any of these countries I can assure you Mexican, Japanese and German patriots would be resisting, violently and non-violently, and the world would support that.

      For you, on another page an enthusiast for lebensraum, mass murder and ethnic cleansing—on Konrad’s article on the ‘apartheid road’ (“Those who do not, will have to leave or be killed…that is the way these types of nationalistic/religious disputes are settled…they will pacify Judea and Samaria, accept a limited number of loyal Arabs…and deport or kill the rest.”) to invoke America to justify this odious agenda is beyond belief and deeply revolting. You are not a serious interlocutor. You are offensive and full of yourself. This Magazine has better things to do and I recommend you take ethnic cleansing and mass murder fantasies elsewhere.

      And before you climb on an insufferable high horse about committing terrorism you might read Bruce’s comments about the terror Israeli settlers and their army commit, and my response to Ephraim Schwab about Israel’s absolute intolerance of protest, violent or non-violent.

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      • aze

        Well, this eloquent piece at one stage states: “…the frequent portrayal of Israel as a victim of Palestinian oppression…”

        So here is a question: who, where and when did anyone ever portray Israel as a victim of Palestinian “oppression”?

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        • Ben

          @ Aze: My impression is that you are trying to make some hay out of nitpicking on the word “oppression,” so the game then becomes finding an actual quote using that particular word, which conveniently excludes the more common term Israelis employ for themselves: “victim.” As in, victim of “incitement,” “terror,” “anti-Semitism,” “one-sidedness,” “singling out,” “we stopped occupying Gaza and what thanks did we get?,” etc.

          In these formulations Palestinians are always either the direct oppressor or the oppressor by proxy, the proxies being “the Arabs,” or assorted nefarious European anti-Semite liberals and their stipend-seeking, self-hating Jewish handmaidens, Breaking the Silence, +972 Magazine, etc.

          It is an odd question, something like asking, “well, who, what, where ever said Mexicans are rapists and the US is horribly oppressed by undocumented immigrants?”——a “crisis,” no less. The answer to that is Trump and thousands of his minions, all over the United States, all the time, peaking in a crescendo with their failed government shutdown this past week.

          The obvious answer to your question, off the top of my head, is Benjamin “they are coming in droves” Netanyahu, all over Israel and the world, all the time, especially when he needs to eke out an election or distract from the mushrooming criminal allegations against him or is otherwise in survival-above-all-else mode, which is all the time. Followed by Liberman, Bennett, Shaked, Regev, et al., the entire Yesha leadership, all the time, every chance they get.

          In these pages alone, various right wing visitors like to salt their comments with routine assertions about Palestinians’ crazed lust for “Jew-blood” and such, and constantly paint Israel as the victim of oppression by “incitement,” by terror including “diplomatic terror” and “construction terror,” or oppression by nefarious European anti-Semites, or “Barack Hussein Obama”–a president who actually did more for Israel’s actual security than any president ever did.

          The portrayal of Israel as victim is nearly constant. Yet rarely in history has an occupier presented himself as the victim and gotten away with it. And not only the victim — but the only victim. So that in this narrative, the obvious victims, the Palestinians, become the aggressor and the oppressor.

          Here is the documentation of this that you were seeking. A groundbreaking 2008 study by a renowned political psychologist from Tel Aviv University, Professor Daniel Bar-Tal, found that “Israeli Jews’ consciousness is characterized by a sense of victimization, a siege mentality, blind patriotism, belligerence, self-righteousness, dehumanization of the Palestinians and insensitivity to their suffering.”

          Is an Israeli Jewish Sense of Victimization Perpetuating the Conflict With Palestinians?
          https://www.haaretz.com/1.5069257

          One more thought: You seem to be keying off what sounds to you like an absurdity: How can the tiny, powerless Palestinians “oppress” the mighty Israelis? Any more than the ancient Jews could be said to have “oppressed” the Roman occupiers of Palestine when they tried to shake off that occupier. (“Intifada” of course means “shaking off.”) So the absurdity you find lurking in the term “Palestinian oppressor,” coupled with Israelis’ constant sense of themselves as being the victim, kind of answers the question all by itself, doesn’t it?

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      • Jeffrey Wilens

        @Ben. The United States does not currently occupy Mexico but it seized large chunks of land claimed by Mexico and kept it to this day. If the Mexicans were trying to reconquer it by violent means (like the Arabs are trying to “liberate Palestine), the USA would deal with Mexico very harshly.

        The USA occupied German and Japan and left ONLY after “denazifying” the nations. Israel has not had the same chance to reeducate the Arabs.At this point, they are so brainwashed it would take at least a generation.

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        • Ben

          @Wilens: I suggest that before you spout offensive claptrap about denazifying you ought to denazify your own language and your own mind. This is nazi-language:

          “Those who do not, will have to leave or be killed…that is the way these types of nationalistic/religious disputes are settled…they will pacify Judea and Samaria, accept a limited number of loyal Arabs…and deport or kill the rest.”

          So is this:

          “Israel has not had the same chance to reeducate the Arabs.”

          Every comment of yours on this page reeks of what Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz termed a judeo-nazi mentality. I don’t see why anyone should take you seriously. Or not find you repellent. Your plan is to forcefully “reeducate,” de-Palestinianize and semi-Judaize, to peon not person status, protected persons under occupation and transfer out or kill those who resist? I’ll see you at your trial in the Hague, lawyer Wilens. This is 2019, aka the 21st Century, and you are not a serious person. You’re a crank.

          Your utterly bogus Mexico-US analogy belongs right up there with your hero Trump’s ludicrous fraudulence about walls. Whatcha gonna do, Wilens, pass a nation state law declaring white non-Hispanics lords of the land and move American settlers into Baja, Sonora and Chihuahua and send the US Army into sleeping Mexican villages every night to pacify them and round them up for indefinite detention without trial and torture because they protest? Why don’t you see how that goes over in 2019? If I were trying to concoct a cartoonish colonial-fascist satire I couldn’t do better than your brilliant self-exposing concoction: that the Palestinians trying to shake off the Israeli occupation is equivalent to Mexicans trying to invade Yorba Linda in 2019. Sure, Wilens. You’re a comedian too?

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    6. Stephen Schwab

      What are you afraid of me?I support Palestinian return under the umbrella of a Moratorium on Violence.What is your problem exactly?Why wont you let me respond to these clowns?

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    7. Stephen Schwab

      You people are rude!I made 1 factual statement about violence against Israeli civilians and you’re all off using my name to prove your points.You dont know me from a hole in the wall and this magazine wont let me respond.Ive been advocating for Palestinian return for 4 years running every morning at 4am.How dare you pass judgement on me.

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    8. Stephen Schwab

      I have cardiovascular disease.I work my ass off to make ends meet and I spend the rest of my time trying to promote the only fair solution to this conflict and I have to be the butt of some keyboard warriors who are misrepresenting me?I have to wait for you to approve my comments while they slander me?

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    9. Stephen Schwab

      I had been speaking directly to the organizer of the Great March of Return (he called me on the phone)who openly acknowledges that Hamas has railroaded the original peaceful demonstrations that were supposed to have taken place.I drew up a petition to force the Israeli leadership to livestream the demonstrations/riots directly into the UNSC,a simple action that would have both deescalated the violence and brought attention to the issues.In 2014 when Israel was bombing Gaza(and we know that there are no bomb shelters in Gaza)I spent everyday that summer trying to find a way to get the civilians evacuated from the war zone.A few weeks back when the IAF was bombing Hamas targets I asked a peace activist friend in Gaza City whether there was anyplace she could go to be safe.She told me that there were the tunnels but Hamas wouldnt let civilians access them.You want more credentials?During those months that I was speaking with Gazans on the ground one after another of the youth came to my wall in support of my plan that would serve to marginalize extremists from both sides.They dont support their criminal leaders but cant say so openly as it would endanger their lives.I figured this whole mess out after the 2014 debacle.What have you “brilliant” people who so easily use my name in your comments done to promote a peaceful solution to the conflict?

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    10. Stephen Schwab

      You all owe me an apology.Next time let a person breathe and when you use his name in a comment nave the courtesy to let it be a direct reply.You have no derech eretz and you think you have the right to criticize people?I tried to respond earlier but had to wait for approval while I watched you all misrepresent me.If the apology is forthcoming I will address your comments one by one.Otherwise I will request that the administrators of 972 delete all of my comments.I wonder if any of you have any skin in the game.

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      • john

        educated and paranoid

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    11. Stephen Schwab

      Here is a brief outline of the pan that Ive been advocating for 4 years running.I get up at 4am before my work day and try to convince the Israelis that it is the best way forward.
      Gradual Implementation of Return/Compensation for the descendants of both sets of refugees under the Umbrella of a Moratorium on Violence with punishments for violations to be negotiated out front in conjunction with the formation of a Supranational Federation whose dual Parliamentary structure would preserve the autonomy of both peoples.Both Israelis and Palestinians would be free to live anywhere in the land with equal rights. I have the support of Gazans and Palestinians in the diaspora who Ive engaged with in numerous marathon conversations. None of the Palestinians living between the river and the sea have the agency to advocate openly for an equal sharing of the land.Therefore it is up to all of us to create a movement.(Not BDS whose intent is destructive and seeks to undermine Israeli autonomy)

      http://www.pa-il.org/en/constitution

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    12. Stephen Schwab

      I’m back!So Ben you little internet criminal.I see how you operate.You cast aspersions on both my intentions and character based on your misguided interpretation of a simple comment that was inconvenient for you.You didnt even have the decency to reply directly to the comment but turned aside and used my name to push your agenda.Its like a person in a room with a group of people who turns to his neighbor and starts talking about someone who just said something to the crowd and is still present.He didnt leave the room.He’s right there waiting for you to address him.In NYC you can get popped for that shit.Now I’m supposed to respond to your comments as if nothing has happened?
      My record speaks for itself and my continuous dedication towards bringing a peaceful resolution can be backed up by both like minded Israelis and Palestinians from all over the world.Would you like me to bring all of the people who agree with my plan here or would you rather behave like a human being so that we can get on with this conversation.Ignoring the evidence of my sincerity is disingenuous after you so easily insulted me.And this magazine has failed to post many of my responses.What kind of bullshit is this exactly?

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    13. Stephen Schwab

      I dont need your little magazine articles to know what’s happening on the ground. I’m in constant contact with both Israelis and Palestinians.

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    14. Ben

      Ephraim or Stephen Schwab: I wasn’t inclined to answer you at all as I hesitate to jump in a bottomless pool with you with all your frenzied and unproductive thrashing about (been down that road with others like this before and there’s no lesson learned in the second kick of a mule), but now that you’re covering your tracks and deleting your facebook record at least in part because you realized you had to retract your knee-jerk accusations that +972 is censoring you, and yet barge right ahead and rush to charge we’ve “hit and run” and are “long gone,” and are topping it off with reckless, crude anti-semitizing (you, the peacemaker with the brilliant knack for bringing people together) I think I will respond. Later, when I have some free time.

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      • Stephen Schwab

        Hey man!Did you read my plan or are you just another ego driven keyboard warrior who needs to win an argument. I’m in touch with people on the ground from all sides of this conflict.Nothing you can say will change my exemplary record of calling out violence and connecting with both Palestinians and Israelis for the sake of peace. Scroll down my wall and you’ll see what Ive been through for 4 years. It represents 1% of my activity. What you did here was slimy and ugly. If we were in a room full of people and you turned aside with your loshon hora one of us would have to leave. Good luck!

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      • Stephen Schwab

        Covering my tracks?Here I’ll repeat myself just for you.The Shin Bet and IDF preempted 500 terrorist attacks in 2018 alone.If you thought my making this factual statement means that my understanding of what is transpiring in the West Bank is limited then the normal thing to do would have been to ask some questions rather than attack me without knowing a damn thing about me.If you’re honest you’ll take the time to scroll down my wall.There you will see how evenhanded Ive been during the 4 year period that Ive been trying to bring peace.Now I’m here because I failed to convince the Israelis that Palestinian return is in their best interests.I’m trying to influence the BDS movement to look at the history honestly so that a plan will develop that wont lead to more bloodshed.Now you can continue to turn this into an ugly confrontation(you initiated it)or you can take a few steps back and actually consider what it is that I’m proposing and why?That is up to you.Choose!I wont allow you to continue to misrepresent me after Ive dedicated years of my life to bringing peace.

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    15. Ben

      Mr. Schwab:

      Do you listen to yourself? Playing out here in microcosm is the very problem I took you to task for and the very problem for which you advertise yourself as the region’s sole self-sacrificing savior. Here you are virtually occupying this site—up front, and beginning with leaping to an accusation that +972 was censoring you—with posts far more numerous, rude, aggressive, name-calling, angry and grievance-collecting than anyone else here, and persistently not evincing critical understanding of the fact that the Israeli occupation itself is violence. Which is simply what I took you to task for: the both-sidism of saying that you have consistently denounced violence from “both sides” but not acknowledging that the occupation itself is violence. That in a nutshell is the issue. And it is a crucial issue getting lost in all the aggressive noise you are creating. And part of that noise has been your angrily and self-righteously dwelling on Palestinian violence going back to 1929 and Palestinian extremists while merely giving what in comparison seems like polite lip service to the Idea that Israeli violence and extremism matters too. And you dwell on security issues without admitting that much of what Israel poses as “security” imperatives are in fact segregation and dispossession mechanisms. I still point you to those three articles by Sheizaf that you show no sign of having read, digested or understood.

      The only record of yours I’m going on is your record on this page. Why should it be otherwise? You made reference after the fact to all these things you have done as if we should have known anything about you or our response here should depend upon that. Why should anyone here “know [you] from a hole in the wall” to begin with and why should anything but your words on this page have counted in the first place? You made initially mysterious and unexplained references to your “plan” that will miraculously solve everything, as if we all should have read your mind, or that you’re having “a plan” is some kind of bullet proof vest against other criticisms. This, too, strikes me as odd. No one is “misrepresenting” you. If we misperceive you, you should try to restrain yourself from lunging at the proposition that it is all our fault, and you should clarify in civil language what you really mean and why we are mistaken, and stick to the topic at hand.

      You derogate “your little magazine.” Nice. You were defensive and self-preening from the starting gun, with your first post to Bruce, before I ever entered the picture. Then you were off to the races with the onslaught above, some of which you’ve now removed from view.

      Ego? You’ve announced a grand plan that will exclusively save the region, as if you and your personal associates were the first persons to think seriously about a “federation” or a confederal solution. (I think “confederal” solution is a better idea or word choice than the “federal” or “federation” solution you refer to.) This is not to discount your devotion and your long efforts, but others, including Yossi Beilin, Bernard Avishai and Dahlia Scheindlin have written coherent and succinct and uncontentious things about a confederal solution—a solution which I am not opposed to.

      You’ve announced that you have a plan that will bypass leaders and bring people together. Forgive me for pointing this out, but if your debut here is any indication, you don’t come across as anyone I’d choose to build bridges and bring people together over anything larger than a potluck. You’re all badgering pugnaciousness and flying off the handle and paranoid themes. You’re the guy to build bridges and federations?

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    16. Ben

      Mr. Schwab:

      “You better believe I’ll continue to f–k up this thread until it dies many deaths!”

      Your lack of insight, and your aggression, break new bounds. Really it’s almost satire. I point out that you have been playing out here in microcosm the very problem I took you to task for, and what do you do? You pull out the stops and do yourself one better: you indulge in thread terrorism. Really, first time I’ve ever seen someone threaten a blogsite thread like this. While decrying terror. If I didn’t see it with my own eyes I wouldn’t believe it.

      You’ve yet to specifically address any point made by anyone amidst your attacks on everybody.

      To return to civilization, the federation ideas of your group are very interesting and a worthy effort—of course the devil is in the details and on the details of territory, immigration and return there are lots of “how is that really going to work on the ground?” questions—but endless details aside, you yourself note how far from even considering it are Israelis. I absolutely do not buy your explanation that “the Israelis are not interested in even this viable alternative because they are tired of having their children murdered.” It is far more complicated, land-grabbing, messianic, settler-corrupted, and nationalistic-supremacist than that. And what follows after that sentence of yours is an absolutely right-wing-Israeli-centric, one-sided version of violence and who is a criminal and who is not.

      The corruptions of the Palestinian leadership are a serious, interconnected issue. But they are not why the occupation continues. You show no insight about how Israel feeds and sustains and manipulates that corruption and locks up, disappears, detains or eliminates any Palestinian who shows leadership potential.

      You brought in unjustified memes that don’t correspond to what +972 writers or I or anyone here that you are badgering wrote. Such as: +972 Magazine or I or others here simplistically think Hamas can do no wrong or is not part of the problem. (The dialogue here about Hamas, and how Israel plays and uses Hamas and vice versa, is much more sophisticated than that.) Or that we don’t care about Jewish victims or that we turn a blind eye to terror. (Your anti-semitizing Holocaust-referencing is absolutely over the top even by right wing standards.)

      Then you have introduced the idea, which I will directly oppose, that “There is only one problem” (i.e., “The Israelis aren’t having it and you know why? They are tired of even a small percentage of fanatics murdering their children.Kapish?”) No, Mr. Schwab. Not quite. You’re being duped if you think this. I can agree that the mass of Israelis think like this but this not why the occupation continues. It would behoove you to absorb +972 Magazine’s arguments for a while as to why yours is both an inadequate view and one that has you, unwittingly I presume, mirroring Israeli right wing propaganda. Before you threaten “to f–k up this thread until it dies many deaths!”

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      • Ben

        Whether this ever occurred to you or not, you actually come across as a settler at heart, with a settler’s mentality, and your most aggressively contentious statements appear at first glance as an elaborate, indirect justification of settlements, justified by a highly complicated and questionably practicable federation apparatus, at least at this point in the occupation and the history or it, that you yourself admit is incompletely conceptualized and stands no chance of being accepted by Israelis at this time.

        Regarding : “These are decent people.I know hundreds of them who are active in coexistence activities on the ground in the West Bank.You know the activities where the Palestinian participants have to white out their faces in photographs.”

        I’m noticing that with you it’s always some Palestinians or others that are the root of the problem, and never actually the Israelis, the ones with all the power. Your avowed bringing people together notwithstanding. Please define “these people” (just the Israelis among them will suffice, we can leave the whited out ones alone for now) and please define “co-existence activities” and please define “coexistence.” And how it all works out on the ground. It is all rather nebulous. Your webpages and do not make this very clear, theoretically or practically. Who are these people and in what places are these gatherings? Settlers on the ground? In what places, where?

        And then you might ask yourself, too, why it is that these Palestinian laborers should have to hide their faces if they cooperate with human rights groups?:
        https://972mag.com/settlers-palestinian-jobs-human-rights/139951/

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      • Ben

        Regarding your assertion, Mr. Schwab, that “you’re speaking to a person who is completely honest and denounces violence emanating from both sides”:

        I’m not impugning your honesty but I will question your awareness of how you might be unwittingly mirroring right-wing Israeli talking points. So let me reassert, by way of clarifying and peace-seeking, that if one does not clearly and first denounce the occupation itself, then one conveys the impression that one is not being completely honest when one simply says that one “denounces violence emanating from both sides.” In saying that, as I see it, one is, wittingly or unwittingly, engaging in deceptive both-sidism, “balancing,” and normalizing of the occupation.

        Let me, to that end, re-quote Noam Sheizaf:
        “…From an honest perspective it is impossible to talk about “a return of violence” in the Israeli/Palestinian issue, because violence was never gone – it was simply only directed at one side. The occupation itself is violence…”
        https://972mag.com/violence-was-never-gone-so-it-cannot-return/66624/

        It has been instructive to stand back and watch your progressively angry right wing rhetoric emerge, crescendoing with the guilt-tripping Holocaust-reference-deployments, and rehashing 1929, out from under all the irenic rhetoric about federations that will solve everything. A thread running through everything you write is playing the sacrificing victim. If it’s not your personal grievance about dinner menu-mongering ingrates you treated us to up front as a kind of calling card, it’s the occupier as victim, and always in the end it’s the Palestinians’ fault. Which is a shame because it beclouds your message and undermines your worthwhile project’s efforts from the start.

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      • Ben

        You say all sorts of things that you don’t appear to have thought through to their full implications. A lot about your view of what you’re doing seems unexamined and showily self-righteous.

        Case in point:

        “A few weeks back when the IAF was bombing Hamas targets I asked a peace activist friend in Gaza City whether there was anyplace she could go to be safe.She told me that there were the tunnels but Hamas wouldnt let civilians access them. You want more credentials?”

        This “credential” of yours reads as a back-handed excusing, or ignoring at best, of Israeli F16 fighter jets coldly dropping lethal ordinance on civilians from thousands of feet in the air. And an unexamined impulse to blame the Palestinians always, even though you think of yourself (and loudly advertise it every chance) as a supreme peace maker with a brilliant plan that would solve everything. And if you harangue enough people you’ll surely make them see the light.

        “During those months that I was speaking with Gazans on the ground one after another of the youth came to my wall in support of my plan that would serve to marginalize extremists from both sides.They dont support their criminal leaders but cant say so openly as it would endanger their lives.”

        Great. But I think it escapes you that the mass of Jewish Israelis fervently support their own criminal leaders and can not only say so openly, it’s easy and comfortable and status-enhancing to do so; and the same people persecute the bravest among them, the outliers from the herd: the refuseniks, the soldiers of Breaking the Silence, the activists of B’Tselem, and others.

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      • Ben

        Finally, I have to say that for you—self-styled super peace planner in constant contact with the best people in the know—to denigrate +972 Magazine as “your little magazine” which you have no need of in order “to know what’s happening on the ground,” bespeaks a self-defeating arrogance, a surprising ignorance, about the on-the-ground authenticity of this Magazine; and says something to me about you and where you are coming from and where you are not coming from. There is a settler-insularity to your thinking. Which is no contradiction—some of the most fanatical settlers have put forth federation ideas for decades and claim they can get along just fine with Palestinian neighbors inside of such a federation.

        What you miss about +972 Magazine is that, while being open to either a one or two state solution, its unerring emphasis is on human rights. And how in those terms the occupation is untenable, right now, today, and not temporarily tenable at the leisure of the Israeli right wing, until some fine, far-future sunshiny day when a brilliant federation effort succeeds and voila, the Israelis, the ones with all the power, who are quite comfortable with an indefinite brutal status quo on the ground, at long last deign to “give” the Palestinians something.

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        • Stephen Schwab

          You’re full of crap.You have no idea who you are speaking to.

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        • Stephen Schwab

          I know people on the ground who write for this magazine.Who are you to judge me?What have you done to bring peace?How many friends do you have in Gaza,the West Bank etc.Do you really think I’m here to answer to your bs?You initiated this by being rude and now you expect me to respond line by line to your analysis of my views?Forget it!If you knew about my level of committment to peace you would hide underneath the computer your are spilling your bs into.Next time click reply and behave like a human being.And if you choose not to then dont whine about the backlash.

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          • john

            you however, perfectly entitled to whine about the ‘backlash’ of someone disagreeing with you online. get over yourself dude.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and misappropriating and misrepresenting a person publicly.Besides there was nothing to disagree with.I stated a fact.The IDF preempted 500 terror attacks in 2018 alone.That;’s 500 attempts to murder my brothers and sisters.You got a problem with that?

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          • john

            ben and bruce disagreed with your view on ms alexander’s op-ed. way to hijack the comments to be all about you and your ‘important work’.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            No man!There was nothing to disagree with in my statement about the terror attacks.I didnt even address the op ed.Ben decided to question my integrity because my introducing the fact that extremists are trying to murder my brothers and sisters made him uncomfortable.There was no debate!Sorry!BTW I’ll talk about whatever the hell I need to talk about wherever I need to do so.Got it?

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          • Stephen Schwab

            How do you feel about Jews being murdered?

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          • Stephen Schwab

            One more thing…I consistently denounce violence that is not in self defence no matter where it comes from so these friends of yours dont have a leg to stand on.If you or any of them have a modicum of honesty go to my wall and see how vigilant Ive been when it comes to this issue.I responded to Ben being rude by hijacking the thread.You got that right.For two days they didnt post my responses here while these guys were making all kinds of assumptions and sarcastic remarks.They didnt even have the decency to reply directly to the comment.They went aside and did their @Ephraim Schwab bs.Who the hell do they think they are.Are they ruling the roost here or something.Did I miss out on the elections?lmjao

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          • john

            seeing how you’ve more or less admitted to being a troll, i’ll stop feeding you now. keep fighting the good fight my man.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            Yeah man.You guys are perfect for each other.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            You didnt answer my question.How do you feel about Jews being murdered?I’m really curious!You probably werent even aware of such things happening in Israel or maybe you think cold blooded murder has its justifications.

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          • Ben

            @Stephen/Ephraim Schwab:

            “…Besides there was nothing to disagree with. I stated a fact….”

            What you actually said was:

            “Non-violent protest? The IDF preempted 500 terror attacks in 2018 alone….”

            This statement attempted to insert by implication, along with your statement alleging terror attacks preempted, the falsehood that there exists no non-violent Palestinian protest, and that Israel tolerates non-violent Palestinian protest in the first place. Or that Israel gives the Palestinians *any* outlet for protest, non-violent or violent. Or that the pressure cooker that results is somehow the Palestinians fault alone.

            Bruce’s response and my response to you on January 24 in no way misrepresented you but you felt immediately aggrieved. Which we subsequently learned was only the tip of an iceberg of a tendency to aggrievement. We had merely pointed out how you had left out at least half of an equation but were passing it off as the whole equation and the proof. None of this by us is “misappropriating or misrepresenting.” And nothing to cry about and stamp one’s feet and carry on about. It is, what we did, filling in the picture and correcting a common technique: propaganda by omission of the complete picture.

            Nor is what I am doing here “@Ehpraim Schwabbing” you—an interesting verb-creation. First you complained that I did not have “the courtesy to let it be a direct reply,” when I had understood “@Ephraim Schwab” to be a direct reply. You don’t? Then the complaint became that by doing this I am “@Ehpraim Schwabbing” you. Odd. And kind of emblematic of your style. People here routinely reply to Facebook section posts down here, below. You did not get the lay of the land before you went on your tirade about this. I myself don’t do Facebook, have no account, and do not want on, so do not reply in the Facebook section above. (Nor, by virtue of that, can my posts be deleted after the fact, as they can be on Facebook when one no longer likes how they look). As well, if you look at my double posts on January 24 and 25, you’ll see that one of my posts was delayed in showing up by at least a day but I did not throw a temper tantrum in the sandbox about it.

            You’re a crude, domineering act. And frankly you’re just kind of out of control and not in any way that is in your own best interests. If I were “full of crap” you wouldn’t be so steaming mad and out of control. I have no idea who I am speaking to? I think I have a better idea than before who I am speaking to. You’re nothing if not indiscreet.

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          • Ben

            Now, style matters aside, let’s go to the important stuff:

            “…its the settlers who live across the greenline who are the ones doing the most for peace…”

            There you go. The real agenda emerges. You can’t say we didn’t see this coming, Ephraim. It’s why we say that your intense federation effort, as you have laid it out in your own words, has seemed as much a right-wing-centric settlement-adjunct-enterprise as anything else. You’ve confirmed that as I see it. You have kept talking about “skin in the game.” That preoccupation of yours seems a lot clearer now, to me at least. And your determinedly one-sided focus on “my people” and violence against settlers confirms this.

            “You have no idea who I am. “

            Why don’t you tells us? Why don’t you spell it out? And I don’t mean your federation constitution details. I mean your “skin in the game.” You’re rather coy, for all your aggressive in-your-face abusiveness and “credential”-touting. An odd mix. You mention daughters. You mention “the safety of my children” as what is really at stake for you, your core motivation. Over and over you mention “skin in the game.” But coyly. Not quite full disclosure. To what settler enterprises are you wedded?

            By the way, if we misunderstand you the proper response is not to threaten and browbeat and brag and strut around and carry on like a cartoon caricature of Donald Trump on Adderall, but to address the issues themselves instead of deflecting into personalized attacks and strutting about and carrying on like an internet warlord in full war paint and regalia.

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          • Ben

            As far as I can see you have yet to acknowledge a basic concept: That terror is not just Palestinian suicide bombers and vehicle attacks and the rockets from Hamas; or the latest gruesome murder you are emotionally posting multiple times about as if to prove something; or the olive tree-destroying and thuggery and murderous arson of the settlers; but that the occupation itself is violence. And is terror.

            Israel Is the Terrorist
            Young Palestinians are not carrying out acts of terror- they are leading a desperate struggle against an army that is a thousand times stronger than they
            Ilana Hammerman
            https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israel-is-the-terrorist-1.5976966

            Schwab: “How do you feel about Jews being murdered?”

            Bad. (Sorry to disappoint you.)

            Schwab: “You probably werent even aware of such things happening in Israel”

            That statement by itself tells me you are phoning this in from another planet and not reading this magazine and that this dialogue is like trying to talk to someone who has no idea what is going on beneath the clouds and has no idea what is being written on this site but blasts away from his self-styled perch in the stratosphere. You’re the interlocutory equivalent of a spray gun stuck on “full blast, wide angle, continuous.”

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          • Stephen Schwab

            I was speaking to John when I said that he probably didnt know about the terror against innocent civilians in Israel.I dont think you are an idiot.I just didnt appreciate your approach because my record is clean and Ive sacrificed much to be persistent in my pursuit of peace these past 5 years.I solved this after spending the whole summer of 2014 trying to get the civilians of Gaza evacuated from the war zone.It was in the merit of that effort that I was granted the insight on how to solve this conundrum.Yes I have skin in the game.My daughters live in Jerusalem.A 19 year old tzadekeit was brutally murdered the other day.Palestinians and Israelis on the ground joined together to make a condolence call to the family.These are the people living across the greenline man.You dont know anything of whats really going on here.They dont make the news but they are the ones who are seeking peace and the only ones who have come up with ideas that could meet the needs of both peoples.I am in unity with these people and I figured out a way to move towards there political solutions through a simple initiative.So yes my unceasing efforts deserve more respect than to be attacked and judged for a comment that perhaps wasnt worded correctly.Mea Culpa!

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          • Stephen Schwab

            Sir..You made a lot of assumptions based on one factual statement that I made.I have consistently denounced violence against Palestinians when it hasnt been in self defence.I am friends with many non-violent activists in the West Bank and Gaza.You wanna talk about this like a normal person or not.I sat here for two days watching you say all kinds of things about me without you knowing anything of my views.972 wasnt posting my responses.After two days of this I was in no mood to discuss anytyhing with you until you backed up a few steps and asked some questions rather than continue with your rude behaviour.But I see that you are incapable of any humility.

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          • Ben

            Humility? Well, you know, I’m not the one claiming I’ve got the exclusive solution to this mess all figured out, and calling people idiots and “fucking cowards” as recently as four days ago. You might want to consider that.

            I appreciate your considerably calmed down tone here, however, even if you couldn’t yet contain yourself in the Facebook section a few hours ago.

            I can appreciate your hard work and single-minded focus but I think it comes with a bit of tunnel vision for all that. I think, again, that you don’t see the occupation as violence in itself and you don’t see how you are perpetuating right wing talking points. The brutal rape and murder of the 19 year old is misleadingly labelled a nationalistic crime.

            ‘Militant Palestinian factions, among them Hamas and Islamic Jihad, have refrained from taking credit for the murder of Ori Ansbacher.
            The Palestinian Prisoners Club and other groups supporting jailed Palestinians have yet to send a lawyer to represent the suspect, 29-year-old Hebron resident Arafat Irfaiya. Imprisoned Fatah members have also distanced themselves from the incident and have opposed his being jailed in the wing identified with their faction. The Palestinian factions’ silence is unusual, and contradicts the pattern of responses that usually follow terror attacks.
            The director of the prisoners club, Qadura Fares, told Haaretz that Irfaiya’s family has not asked his group for any legal aid. “If there will be such a request, we will consider it and send a defense lawyer to review his claims,” Fares, said. “If it turns out there really was a sexual assault, we will pass on representation. That would make the case a criminal one, as far as we’re concerned, and we object to anyone committing a criminal offense trying to pass it off as a nationalist act.” Irfaiya is currently represented by the public defense.
            A senior Fatah official imprisoned in Israel told Haaretz that he condemned Irfaiya’s actions. He said that he and his colleagues have asked the Palestinian Authority not to pay Irfaiya a salary or to fund his defense. “Such behavior is totally unacceptable to us. Anyone who commits such acts is not a human being,” the senior official said. “If an Arab girl had been there, he would have done the same thing. There is nothing nationalist in his acts.”
            He said the incident was an embarrassment to the Palestinian people and sent condolences to the family. “Even if it weren’t a rape, such a murder is unacceptable,” he stressed. “The murder victim was no soldier, and it didn’t happen during wartime. If you want to be a hero, you don’t go and kill an innocent woman who went to read a book in the forest.”
            The senior official said that Irfaiya will probably be jailed in the wing for Hamas prisoners, considering his family’s ties to the faction. He reiterated that Fatah prisoners would not quietly accept any attempt to place him in their wing. “We will never accept such a man,” he said. “This man should be in a criminal wing and be punished for what he did to the woman. If we catch him, no one will be able to protect him from harm.”’
            https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-palestinian-factions-reject-israeli-teen-s-murderer-because-he-raped-her-1.6932248

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          • Stephen Schwab

            I’m not going to repost all of the times that Ive condemned violence and human rights violations against the Palestinians.Ive done my share.Btselem and Breaking the silence have a much better ability to bring attention to those crimes than I do.I have reasons why I consider the solution that I’m proposing to be the best way forward.It grew out of my own experiences communicating with people from both sides of the conflict most specifically Gazans who I was drawn to after seeing the terrible suffering that they went through during summer of 2014 which was when my advocacy began.I have to teach soon.I’d be willing to go into more detail later if you’d like.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            For some reason 972 doesnt post the responses that include the content that I want you to see.This is frustrating because I have many other obligations.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            I spent 15 minutes writing an extensive overview of the ideas in both the short and long term that I think can move this in the right direction but 972 didnt post it.I’ll try again tomorrow.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            This magazine is either playing games or there is something wrong here.They only post certain comments while others dont go through.This has been happening since the very beginning and its really annoting because it ends up causing much confusion.Are you willing to reply in the main comments section?

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          • Ben

            A word of advice: The delays you are experiencing have benign explanations. Most of it comes down to algorithms that act as a buffer. All posts have some variable time delay automatically built in (it dampens impulses and excesses). Overly long posts or posts with more than one internet link in them will probably get delayed or stopped by auto-screening or anti-spamming mechanisms and require the author to manually pass them through. Which understandably takes time. Authors have control over their pages. Or maybe you are doing something else peculiar from your end. But I am sure that no author censors posts unless they are outrageously offensive, obscene, hurtful and deceitful. I am certain that no post is censored for political reasons. No way. You should already be able to draw that conclusion from the stuff that gets posted here. The right wing efflorescences in these comment sections are the best evidence that +972 Magazine is needful. As in, indispensable.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            Right now my only concern here is in having a fluid conversation with you because I see that you are educated and I’d like to share my perspective and the reasons why I am taking a particular approach to solving this.So either we comment and reply in the regular comments section or we private message.Take your pick.

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          • Ben

            Let’s keep it here and keep it public. Thanks.

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          • Stephen Schwab

            Then we should proceed in the main comments section because its tiring to put together posts that dont get shared.

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