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12 Palestinian members of parliament are in Israeli prison

While we often hear Palestinian prisoners in the news, little is said about the lawmakers currently sitting in Israeli prisons. Many of them have spent years in jail, often as political prisoners in administrative detention, suffering beatings, interrogations and imprisonment in difficult conditions. Yet many of them still see a chance of living side-by-side with Israel, whether in one or two states.

By Noam Rotem

Illustrative photo of Palestinian prisoners in an Israeli military prison (By ChameleonsEye / Shutterstock.com)

Illustrative photo of Palestinian prisoners in an Israeli military prison (By ChameleonsEye / Shutterstock.com)

An Israeli military court decided last week to continue detaining Khalida Jarrar, a member of the Palestinian parliament, who has been imprisoned by Israel for the past two months. Jarrar was first arrested and put in administrative detention, which in effect meant that she could be held indefinitely without being charged or seeing trial. However, in the wake of a global campaign for her release, the state decided to release her from administrative detention and put her on trial.

Jarrar is not the only member of the Palestinian parliament, known as the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), to be held by Israel. Israel is currently imprisoning 12 other Palestinians parliamentarians, who were elected in the last democratic elections to take place in the Palestinian Authority in 2006. Some are in administrative detention, which in the eyes of the international community makes them political prisoners who are being held solely due to their political and social activities.

According to statistics published by the Israel Prison Service on April 30, there are 394 administrative detainees in Israeli prisons. The very fact that Israel indefinitely holds Palestinian prisoners without charges is problematic in itself — but when we are talking about elected officials, the problem grows tenfold. Take Jarrar, for instance, who was placed under administrative detention until she was formally charged. Why? Because she belongs to an organization that she represents in the Palestinian parliament to which she was democratically elected.

Many of these political leaders have spent years in Israeli prisons, often as political prisoners in administrative detention. Some were arrested as “bargaining chips” after Gilad Shalit was taken hostage by Hamas; many of them suffer from difficult health conditions that are not properly treated by the Israel Prison Service. These, after all, are the officials that have been chosen by the Palestinian people to lead them toward a life alongside Israel.

Despite dozens of arrests, beatings, interrogations and imprisonment in difficult (and often humiliating) conditions, many of them still see a chance of living side-by-side with Israel, whether in one or two states.

Here is a list of Palestinian parliament members currently being held in Israeli prisons:

Khalida Jarrar

Khalida Jarrar, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council and a leader in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, poses for a photo showing an internal expulsion order given to her by Israeli soldiers who invaded her home in Ramallah in the early hours of August 20, Ramallah, West Bank, August 27, 2014. Jarrar was ordered to go to Jericho within 24 hours, but she refused to sign the paper. She is determined to stay in a protest tent in front of the Palestinian Council in Ramallah until the decision is revoked.

Khalida Jarrar, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council and a leader in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, poses for a photo showing an internal expulsion order given to her by Israeli soldiers who invaded her home in Ramallah in the early hours of August 20, Ramallah, West Bank, August 27, 2014. Jarrar was ordered to go to Jericho within 24 hours, but she refused to sign the paper. She is determined to stay in a protest tent in front of the Palestinian Council in Ramallah until the decision is revoked.

Jarrar is a 52-year-old lawyer and a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). She is one of the forces that led the Palestinian Authority to join the International Criminal Court. Before her election, she headed the Palestinian human rights organization Addameer, which works to support Palestinian political prisoners held in Israeli and Palestinian prisons. She also worked for UNRWA as an activist for women’s rights in Palestine.

In 1998, Israeli forbade her to leave the West Bank, despite the fact that until her current imprisonment, she had never been formally charged with a crime. After PFLP leader Ahmad Sa’adat was imprisoned, Jarrar became the organization’s third parliamentary member.

On August 2014 she was expelled from her home in al-Bireh to Jericho by Israeli soldiers. However, Jarrar refused to sign the expulsion order and returned to living in her home. In April 2015 she was arrested overnight by a large force of Israeli soldiers and was placed in administrative detention. She was eventually charged for being part of the PFLP — the party she represents in the PLC — and a military court decided to place her under house arrest. The state opposed the sentence, claiming Jarrar constitutes a “security threat.” The court then decided to keep her in prison until the end of court procedures.

Jarrar is married and has two daughters.

Aziz Duwaik

Duwaik is 67 years old, chairman of the Palestinian Legislative Council, a member of Hamas and holds a PhD in Regional and Architecture Planning from the University of Pennsylvania. In 1992 he was expelled to Lebanon by Yitzhak Rabin, where he lived for a full year with 415 Palestinian political leaders from Hamas and Islamic Jihad. After a year he was allowed to return home.

Duwaik is a political rather than a military leader, and has ensured to keep the two separate throughout his career. He has never taken part in operations by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’ military wing. In 2006 Duwaik was arrested during Operation Summer Rains; Duwaik claims he was brutally beaten during his interrogations. He was charged with membership in a terrorist organization, and was released after three years. In 2012 he was arrested and placed under administrative detention for half a year. According to Hamas, the arrest was intended to prevent reconciliation with its rival Fatah party. In June 2014, Duwaik was arrested once again as part of Operation Brother’s Keeper. He was sentenced last week to 12 months in prison and fined NIS 6,000.

Duwaik claims that the idea of establishing a Palestinian state in the entire territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is an unrealistic dream, and calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. In an interview with the New York Times he was quoted as saying: “My message to Israel is simple: End the occupation and there won’t be any more war.”

Duwaik is married and has seven children.

Marwan Barghouti

Barghouti is 57 years old, the former leader of Fatah in the West Bank, a member of the PLC since 1996 and has an MA in international relations. In 2000 he was appointed the head of the Tanzim, an armed offshoot of Fatah, and according to Israel was responsible for many terrorist attacks during the Second Intifada. He escaped several assassination attempts by the Israeli army, including a missile launched at his car, which struck his bodyguard. In June 2004 he was sentenced by an Israeli court to five consecutive life sentences and 40 years imprisonment for his role in planning terrorist attacks against Israelis.

Imprisoned PLO leader Marwan Barghouti (SP Foto/CC BY NC-ND 2.0)

Imprisoned PLO leader Marwan Barghouti (SP Foto/CC BY NC-ND 2.0)

A year later, Barghouti established the Al-Mustaqbal (“The Future”) party, but was eventually convinced to remain part of the Fatah during the 2006 parliamentary elections.

Barghouti, who is being held in Hadarim Prison, is considered a very popular leader among the Palestinian public, and some would even claim he eclipses Mahmoud Abbas’ popularity. In November 2014 Barghouti released a statement from prison in which he called on the Palestinian Authority to cease its security coordination with Israel and called for a third intifada.

Barghouti is married and has four children.

Ahmad Sa’adat

Sa’adat is 42 years old, the leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a Marxist and a math teacher. Sa’adat was arrested by the Palestinian Authority in 2002 under Israeli after being accused of planning the assassination of Israeli Tourism Minister Rehavam Ze’ev, and was held in difficult conditions in a Palestinian prison. In 2006, Israeli soldiers kidnapped Sa’adat from the prison as part of Operation Bringing Home the Goods.

He was interrogated at length by the Shin Bet, and in 2008 was convicted by an Israeli military court of membership in a terrorist organization and involvement in Ze’ev’s assassination. He was sentenced to 30 years. In 2011 Sa’adat began a hunger strike along with hundreds of other prisoners, most of them from the PFLP, which lasted 21 days but bore no fruit.

Ahmad Sa'adat portrait by Carlos Latuff.

Ahmad Sa’adat portrait by Carlos Latuff.

Sa’adat is known for his outspoken support for the Palestinian right of return, and supports a one-state solution.

He is married and has four children.

Hassan Yousef

Yousef is a 60-year-old theologian, and is considered to be one of the spiritual leaders of Hamas. Since 1971, Yousef has been arrested over 14 times, and has spent a total of 17 years in Israeli prisons. When he was put in administrative detention in 2004, Yousef was nominated to represent Hamas during the elections. He tried to resist, but eventually he agreed and was elected as a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council. He has said on multiple occasions that he would agree to a long-term ceasefire based on 1967 borders, which would allow both nations to live in peace.

Yousef is married and has nine children, one of whom is self-confessed Israeli spy Mosab Yousef (author of the book “Son of Hamas”) who became a Christian and moved to California.

Mohammad Jamal Al-Natsheh

Al-Natsheh is 57 years old and is considered to be one of the leaders of Hamas in the West Bank, and is a teacher of Shari’a. Al-Natsheh was arrested many times by Israel, starting in 1988, and has spent a total of 15 years in prison, some of which was spent in administrative detention. Al-Natsheh was expelled to Lebanon along with Aziz Duwaik and hundreds of others in 1992; he was returned by Rabin a year later. In 1998 he was arrested by the Palestinian Authority and spent a year in prison followed by three years under house arrest.

A Palestinian girl who handcuffed herself holds the picture of her jailed uncle during a protest in support of the Palestinian prisoners in the West Bank city of Bethlehem, April 11, 2013. (Photo by: Anne Paq/Activestills.org)

A Palestinian girl who handcuffed herself holds the picture of her jailed uncle during a protest in support of the Palestinian prisoners in the West Bank city of Bethlehem, April 11, 2013. (Photo by: Anne Paq/Activestills.org)

In 2002 he was arrested by Israeli forces and was sentenced to eight-and-a-half years, four of which were spent in solitary confinement, after Gilad Shalit was taken hostage. In 2006 he was elected to the Palestinian Legislative Council. Four months after his release, Israeli soldiers raided his home in January 2011 and arrested him once again. This time he was placed in administrative detention.

Al-Natsheh is married and has four children.

Muhammad Bader

Bader is 59 years old and is considered one of the leaders of Hamas in the West Bank. He is a teacher and a doctor of theology. He was first arrested in 1988 and put under administrative detention, before being deported to Lebanon in 1992. In January 2006 he was number 19 in Hamas’ election list, and in June of that same year he was arrested by Israel and sentenced to 42 months in prison. He was arrested again in 2013 and put in administrative detention. He spent approximately a total of 10 years in Israeli prison, eight of which were spent in administrative detention. Much of his time was spent separated from other prisoners.

Bader is married and has eight children.

Azzam Shalhab

Shalhab is 58 years old, a member of Hamas and a doctor of theology. He was first arrested in 1989 and put in administrative detention. Since then he has been arrested nine times for a total of 12.5 years, of which he spent time in administrative detention with no charges. In June 2014 he was arrested as part of Operation Brother’s Keeper and put under administrative detention for four months. Since then, his detention has been extend four times in a row.

Shalhab is married and has 11 children.

Nayef Rajoub

Rajoub is 57 years old and serves as the Religious Affairs Minister of the Palestinian Authority. Rajoub is the head of a charity organization that serves Palestinian orphans. He was first arrested in 1989 for membership in Hamas, and in 1992 was expelled to Lebanon along with other Palestinian leaders. He was arrested in 2006 as a bargaining chip after Gilad Shalit was taken hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and was held by Israel until 2010. Nayef is the brother of Jibril Rajoub, who was the head of the Palestinian Authority’s Preventative Security Forces, and was even arrested by his brother’s forces for one day.

In July 2014 Rajoub was arrested as part of Operation Brother’s Keeper, and since then he has been in administrative detention. He suffers from multiple health conditions, which case him great pain, and blames the Israel Prison Service for negligence and preventing him from receiving critical medical care. Rajoub has spent a total of 10 years in Israeli prisons, half of which were in administrative detention.

Hosni Al-Burini

Al-Burini is 60 years old, a member of Hamas and a mathematics teacher. He is a member of the PLC’s educational committee as well as the human rights committee on behalf of Hamas. He was one of the leaders expelled to Lebanon in 1992 and since then has been arrested by Israel a number of times. He has spent a total of 10 years in Israeli prisons, two-and-a-half of which were spent in administrative detention. His son was arrested in 2008, which according to his lawyer was done in order to put pressure on Al-Burini.

He was arrested once again during Operation Brother’s Keeper, and has been held in administrative detention since. He believes that there cannot be peace as long as the settlements exist, and calls on the Arab world to intervene.

Riyadh Raddad

Raddad is 54-year-old lawyer and a member of Hamas. He was arrested by Israel in 1994 for membership in the organization and was sentenced to 50 months in prison. He was arrested once again in 2006 as a bargaining chip for Gilad Shalit, and was released after three years. In 2012 he was arrested again and released.

Raddad is an activist for the rights of prisoners’ families. In September 2014 he was convicted of taking part in a march for Palestinian prisoners and was sentenced to 12 months in prison.

Muhammad Abu Tir

Abu Tir is 64 years old, number 2 in Hamas in the West Bank and is also known as “Sheikh Abu Mus’ab.” Abu Tir was first arrested in 1974 and spent 11 years in prison until he was released in one of the prisoner exchanges that took place in the 80’s. He has spent a total of 29 years in Israeli prisons, some of which were spent in administrative detention. He is known for his bright orange henna-dyed beard and his intentions to implement Sharia law in Palestine.

Mohammed Abu Tir (Lisa Goldman)

Mohammed Abu Tir (Lisa Goldman)

Abu Tir, a resident of Jerusalem, was expelled from the city a number of times, and was arrested for returning to his home against the law. In December 2014 he was sentenced to 25 months in prison and given a fine of NIS 18,000.

He is married and has seven children.

Noam Rotem is an Israeli activist, high-tech executive and author of the blog o139.org, subtitled “Godwin doesn’t live here any more.” This article was first published in Hebrew on Local Call. Read it here.

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    1. Bruce Gould

      “UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories Makarim Wibisono has urged Israel not to implement its plans for the forcible transfer of Palestinian Bedouin communities in the West Bank.

      “I am alarmed at indications that the roll-out of plans, which in their full effect are believed to entail the forced eviction and forcible transfer of thousands of people, contrary to international human rights law and international humanitarian law,” Wibisono said in a statement Friday, adding that the evictions appeared imminent.”

      https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/19082-un-rapporteur-urges-israel-to-stop-relocating-bedouins

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    2. Pedro X

      Crocodile tears for members of terrorist organizations.

      Hamas has a Charter which calls for the destruction of Israel and a genocide world wide of the Jewish people. The PFLP only calls for the destruction of the Israeli state by all means including armed resistance. Israel has a right to prevent these organizations and their members organizing to carry out their objectives.

      Under Article 78 of the fourth Geneva Convention a nation when it considers it necessary and imperative for security may take safety measures including assigned residence or interment for people who are a security risk.

      Take for instance Jarrar. Israel first assigned Jarrar to a residence which Jarrar resisted, leaving Israel with the option to put her in prison. Why? On April 2, 2015 the Jerusalem Post explained why Jarrar was arrested”

      “According to the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency), Jarrar is one of the dominant militant forces in the PFLP, and advocates for military resistance against Israel. Jarrar has been involved over the past few months in strengthening the PFLP in the West Bank, the Shin Bet said, including pushing its members to be take part in terror attacks.”

      Jarrar is, in fact, a member of a terrorist organization that has been involved in mass murder, from plane hijackings and bombings to blowing apart Israeli civilians with suicide bombers. The PFLP assassinated an Israeli Minister of the government. The PFLP took responsibility for the Synagogue massacre on November 18, 2014 and then tried to say they only supported the attack. Abu Ahmad Fouad, a PFLP leader, openly touted armed resistance in March 2015 in Moscow saying that “we must exercise armed resistance within our capabilities,”

      The PFLP also supported the murder of 3 Israeli teenagers last June, and in September 2014 when the killers, al-Khalil, Marwan Qawasmeh and Amer Abu Eisha, were killed in a shoot out, the PFLP called the killers heroes and martyrs and that their acts were just as part of the Palestinian struggle.

      http://pflp.ps/english/2014/09/29/pflp-occupation-assassinates-martyrs-of-al-khalil-in-new-crime-against-palestinian-people/

      Jarrar herself is a supporter of armed resistance. In March 2015 she commemorated slain PFLP terrorist Moataz Washaha saying the struggle would be carried on. Washaha was wanted in connection with a number of terrorist attacks and when the IDF came to arrest him he preferred to fight and die than be answer for his crimes.

      So please no more crocodile tears for terrorists and their supporters.

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    3. Ginger Eis

      This Is The Case against Ms. Khalida Jarrar

      1. Ms. Khalida Jarrar is a member of a Terrorist Organization: the PFLP. The ground for the administrative detention of Ms. Jarrar are as follows:

      (a) violation of court orders,
      (b) incitement to violence and
      (c) call to kidnap Israeli citizens/soldiers!

      These are very serious charges that – if Israel were the United States – would see her behind bars for more than a decade.

      2. The trial of Ms. Jarrar is set for 22 June 2015.

      To state that Ms Jarrar was arrested “because she belongs to an organization that she represents in the Palestinian parliament to which she was democratically elected” is flat-out FALSE and really silly and designed to smear and demonize the Jewish State.

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      • Ben

        Oh hey Eis since you’re such a legal beagle this ought to appeal to you:

        http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.659008

        The false arrest of Khalida Jarrar: Israeli ‘justice’ put to shame
        The charge sheet against the Palestinian legislator – in jail now for two months – ought to be studied in every law school: This is how you slap together false accusations and fabricate an indictment.

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        • BigCat

          Brian alias “Ben” alias “MuslimJew” alias etc.,

          Don’t you even realize that Gideon Levy confirms what Ginger said that Jarrar has been indicted, handed her indictment and is awaiting trial? Jarrar will have her day in court in which she will have all the opportunity in the world to show that the evidence against her are all “fabricated”. The scurrilous screed and diatribes of Gideon Levy that feeds you lunatic pre-occupation with Jews is meaningless and irrelevant. The court will decide. That’s how its done in a democratic country based on the rule of law, idiot. Meanwhile, go find a job and start paying for your food and other bills instead of depending of food-stamps provided by the United States government with my tax dollars; after that start concentrating on fixing the problems of YOUR OWN country that has bigger social problems than Israel and seek professional help for your clinical fixation on- and obsession with Jews and Israel, you psychotic moron.

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      • Ben

        And this ought to interest you as well.

        http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/twilight-zone/.premium-1.658602

        The judge, Major Haim Balilty, is about to hand down his decision…

        The charge sheet has everything but the kitchen sink. The more the counts, the less substance they have. “Membership in an illegal association”; “holding office therein”; “performing a service for the illegal association”; and one count referring to incitement. But even the major prosecution witness related to the incitement charge stated that he “is not certain whether the defendant personally spoke about abducting soldiers, but noted that this matter was mentioned many times during the rally” (according to the judge’s remarks).

        The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Palestinian left-wing party (it has a military branch) that was a member of the PLO and took part in the elections to the Legislative Council (the Palestinian parliament), is an “illegal association.” Balilty has confused it with the Popular Front – General Command, under the leadership of Ahmed Jibril.

        Drawing on the comments of one of the witnesses, the judge stated that the two organizations have the same commander. A sign of utter ignorance. Jibril’s group broke with the Popular Front in 1968, and today there is no connection between the two groups, other than their similar names. But who’s counting and what difference does it make? Everyone knows that all the Palestinian organizations are the same.

        The indictment against parliamentarian Jarrar, the gist of which is read out by the judge, provides some tragicomic relief. If it weren’t so sad it would be hilarious. Is this what a person of such standing is brought to trial for? For this she has already spent two months in prison?

        “The defendant delivered many speeches in her capacity [as a parliament member] in a large number of meetings and rallies of the Popular Front, and gave interviews to media outlets and television channels… It is also alleged that on one occasion the defendant took part in a rally calling for the release of the Popular Front’s secretary general, Ahmed Sa’adat, from an Israeli prison, and on another occasion took part in a gathering in memory of Abi [sic] Ali Mustafa, a founder of the Popular Front…”

        The charge sheet goes on to list even more serious accusations: Jarrar visited prisoners who had been released from jail and even awarded one of them a shield of appreciation on which was engraved – wait for it – “In esteem of your [plural] steadfastness.” The judge read out another “incriminating” charge: “Seif Aladin Bader incriminated the defendant [by stating] that she came to visit him on behalf of the Popular Front upon his release from prison.”

        The defendant also delivered a speech “against the Israeli occupation” and even visited a tent of protesters calling for the release of Palestinian prisoners. On top of this, adds the charge sheet, she gave an interview in the tent. She stood on a stage where there hung posters calling for kidnapping of Israelis for bargaining purposes and for the release of prisoners.

        “All the offenses,” Balilty summed up, “were perpetrated in the period from June 2009 to December 2013, apart from one offense – being present at a Popular Front meeting – which was perpetrated, it is alleged, in September 2014, when the defendant attended an exhibition of books sponsored by the Popular Front.”

        That was apparently the prosecution’s ace in the hole, the smoking gun (to switch metaphors). The judge noted that during her visit to that exhibition, the defendant asked “how the activists were doing and about how the books at the exhibition were selling.” The prosecution even had a witness who related that he, with a mask on his face, delivered a speech calling for the abduction of soldiers to be used to force the release of prisoners – and Jarrar “was present on the stage of the rally while he made his speech.” Another witness said he hung three signs on the stage on which the defendant sat….”

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        • BigCat

          Oh, so even Haaretz, while suggesting that State’s evidence is somehow bogus, is admitting that the State does have multiple evidence tying Jarrar to incitement to violence, conspiracy to incitement to violence, incitement to kidnapping and hostage taking, conspiracy to incitement to kidnapping and hostage taking, etc. etc…

          “The trial of Ms. Jarrar is set for 22 June 2015”.

          You have a problem with that, Brian alias “Ben” alias “MuslimJew” alias etc.?

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    4. Jackdaw

      A rogue’s gallery of demented religious fanatics bent on Sharia Law across Palestine.

      On the other hand, Barghouti is just another thug with lots of Jewish blood on his hands.

      I look at them and see the docket at Nuremberg(except these guys have more supporters).

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    5. Ginger Eis

      The Banality Of Evil!

      1. “Some are in administrative detention, which in the eyes of the international community makes them political prisoners who are being held solely due to their political and social activities.”

      2. That’s FALSE. Complete nonsense!

      International law provides for Administrative detention.

      GC IV, Article 42 and GC IV, Article 78, (GC IV = Fourth Geneva Convention), make it explicitly clear that internment and assigned residence, otherwise known as “administrative detention”, are legal instruments of control that a Detaining Authority or Occupying Power may apply with respect to protected persons who have not been charged with a crime in a criminal procedure. These measures may only be used if the security of the State makes it “absolutely necessary” (GC IV, Article 42) or for “imperative reasons of security” (GC IV, Article 78). See also GC IV, Article 41, and GC IV Article 43 – for the due process requirement.

      3. All those mentioned in this article meet the requirement for administrative detention under international law. They are all members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder; they were all co-conspirators in the organization-, planning-, financing-, etc. of terror attacks (as seen in the video clip below for example), in which thousands of innocent Israelis were butchered and several thousands more left permanently disabled or seriously disfigured for the rest of their lives. Not even a failed State – let alone Israel – will refuse to arrest and detain those whom it knows are conspiring and planning to maim and murder. Here is just ONE example of the kind of activities we are talking about:

      Watch. And Weep!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaaT7vdSXrI

      So, WHAT THE FUCK is this article exactly about – The Glorification Of Terrorism And The Slaughter Of Innocent Jews?! Is that the new orgy at +972mag? Is this how low +972mag has sunk? This article that celebrates deranged mass murderers and serial killers as heroes, while defecating on the graves of their innocent victims including few months old babies, is yet another episode that explains Hannah Arendt’s “Banality Of Evil”. How very sad!

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      • Yeah, Right

        GE: “So, WHAT THE FUCK is this article exactly about”

        International law allows administrative detention only “for imperative reasons of security,”

        The key word is “imperative”.

        Simply being a “members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder” is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.

        In the list above four of these parliamentarians were arrested as part of Operation Brothers Keeper, which indicates that those dudes were scooped up for a political purpose i.e. to prevent the reconciliation of Hamas with Fatah.

        Two of them appear to have been placed under administrative detention because they refused to be ejected from their homes. Remind me again of the “imperative security reason” represented by someone refused to be ejected from their houses?

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        • BigCat

          “….they were all co-conspirators in the organization-, planning-, financing-, etc. of terror attacks (as seen in the video clip below for example), in which thousands of innocent Israelis were butchered and several thousands more left permanently disabled or seriously disfigured for the rest of their lives……”

          That is what Ginger posted. Read the post again and “remind yourself again”, you delusional moron!

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          • Yeah, Right

            Ahem. BigCat approvingly quotes Ginger’s “they were all co-conspirators in the organization-, planning-, financing-, etc. of terror attacks”

            Quite apart from the obvious echoes of Mandy Rice-Davies that such a statement elicits (“but he would say that, wouldn’t he..”) there is that slight evidentiary problem that at least two of these PMs have been placed under administrative detention because they refused a military order expelling them from their house.

            Remind me again: is refusing to be expelled from your house:
            a) “organizing a terror attack”?
            b) “planning a terror attack”?
            c) “financing a terror attack”?

            Which one, BigCat?

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          • BigCat

            “….they were all co-conspirators in the organization-, planning-, financing-, etc. of terror attacks (as seen in the video clip below for example), in which thousands of innocent Israelis were butchered and several thousands more left permanently disabled or seriously disfigured for the rest of their lives……”

            Read the post again and “remind yourself again”, you delusional donkey-brain!

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “Read the post again and “remind yourself again”, you delusional donkey-brain!”

            Yeah, I’ve read the post again, and I’m still seeing a master-class in pontification, and nothing more.

            Ginger makes a statement (“they were all co-conspirators”) that she can’t back up.

            Neither can the security services of the state of Israel, because if they could back up that claim with something even approximating “evidence” then they’d put “all these co-conspirators” on trial with an aim towards getting “them all” convicted.

            Or didn’t that actually occur to you, dude?

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          • BigCat

            Administrative detention is provided for in international law and will last for as long as the reasons thereof, i.e. protection of the physical safety of innocent Israelis, continue to exist. That is the point Ginger and Pedro X made so very well to contradict the claims made Noam Rotem. Administrative detentions are automatically reviewed every 3months in Israel. The detainee can challenge his/her detention up to the Israeli Supreme court – if he/she think that there is no legal justification for his/her detention. An example of that is the case of Jarrar. Jarrar has challenged her detention. The first court decided in her favor agreeing to release her to house arrest. The second court overturned the ruling of the first court. Immediately after that, Jarrar was indicted.

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “Administrative detention is provided for in international law and will last for as long as the reasons thereof, i.e. protection of the physical safety of innocent Israelis,”…BZZZZZZT. Wrong answer, but thanks for playing.

            Under international law the “reason” for an occupying power placing a protected person under administrative detention is this: “imperative reasons of security”

            Not just “reasons of security”, but only “IMPERATIVE reasons of security”.

            Israel can not imprison anyone merely because doing so makes “innocent Israelis feel safer”. Under **that** criteria the Israelis have a completely free hand to lock up any and all Palestinians.

            The threat to security must be IMPERATIVE, which is oh-so-obviously a word whose meaning you do not understand.

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          • BigCat

            “BigCat: “Administrative detention is provided for in international law and will last for as long as the reasons thereof, i.e. protection of the physical safety of innocent Israelis,”…BZZZZZZT. Wrong answer, but thanks for playing. Under international law the “reason” for an occupying power placing a protected person under administrative detention is this: “imperative reasons of security”.

            For anyone still looking for the evidence that the individual called “yeahright” is the Ultimate Donkey, there you have that evidence. Apparently, in the mind of this donkey, a). “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not b). an “imperative reasons of security”. The stupidity of this moron is indeed, monumental. What a donkey!

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “Apparently, in the mind of this donkey, a). “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not b). an “imperative reasons of security”. The stupidity of this moron is indeed, monumental. What a donkey!”

            OK, I’ll repeat this, coz’ it never gets old: “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not at all the same thing as an “imperative reasons of security”.

            Even the feeblest of minds (sorry, BigCat) should be able to comprehend the difference between the two.

            As in: IDF patrols, Shin Bet intelligence gathering, Mossad snooping, Whoppin’ Big Walls and the like are all examples of “protecting the lives of innocent Israelis”, but not a one of those activities necessitates the administrative detention of a single, solitary protected person.

            Not. A. One.

            The term “imperative reasons of security” is a much, much, much more restrictive term that the oh-so-nebulous “protecting the lives of innocent Israelis”.

            Because – du’oh! who woulda’ thunk it? – the “security reason” has to be “imperative”.

            It can’t simply be “I’m locking *him* up because that makes *me* feel safer”, which is what BigCat’s catch-all buzz-word actually means.

            That’s simply not a good enough reason, for the simple reason that It Is Not “Imperative”.

            *sheesh*

            I’m either talking to an idiot or I’m talking to a tribal mind that is so blinkered by its self-centredness that it can not comprehend just what the phrase “protected persons” actually means.

            Dude, it means that they are “persons” who are afforded “protection” from just such an abuse of authority by the occupier i.e. an occupier who decides he wants to detain *anyone* for *any* reason so long as that makes The Members Of The Tribe feel “safer”.

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          • BigCat

            “yeahright” claims:

            “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not at all the same thing as an “imperative reasons of security”.

            Folks, thats another EVIDENCE that this individual called “yeahright” is The Ultimate Donkey! LIFE is the HIGHEST GOOD of any individual. The protection of the lives of its citizens is THE NUMBER ONE OBLIGATION of any democratic State! The SAFETY OF IT’S CITIZENS is the MOST IMPARATIVE of all security reasons any democratic State can have. If a.)“the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not b). “imperative reasons of security”, then what is?! Perhaps the protection of oil fields? Answer that question and spare us your rambling mumbo jumbo, you delusional Donkey-brain!

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “LIFE is the HIGHEST GOOD of any individual.”

            Motherhood statement.

            BigCat: “The protection of the lives of its citizens is THE NUMBER ONE OBLIGATION of any democratic State!”

            Non-sequitur. We aren’t talking here about the obligation of a “state” towards its “citizens”. We are talking here about the obligations that an “occupying power” has towards “international humanitarian law”.

            W.R.T. indefinite detention without trial the authority of an occupying power is proscribed. Such detention can only be carried out when there is an “imperative security reason”. Such detention can not be carried out merely because doing so “protects the life of the citizens of the occupying power”, precisely because under THAT criteria an occupier’s “right” to detain is unlimited, open-ended, and utterly undefined.

            Basically, if the occupier feels safer throwing someone in the lockup then – according to BigCat-logic – that’s perfectly permissible under the aegis of “protecting the lives of Israelis”.

            Meanwhile, back in the real world……

            BigCat: “The SAFETY OF IT’S CITIZENS is the MOST IMPARATIVE of all security reasons any democratic State can have.”

            Again with the non-sequiturs.

            Ginger quoted Article 78 of Geneva Convention IV, which very clearly deals with the rights and obligations of an occupying power towards the protected persons that are subject to its authority. It does not deal with the rights an obligations of “a state” towards “its citizens”, precisely because an “occupying power” is not “a state”.

            The “occupying power” is, in fact and in law, the “Army of Occupation”, not the state that ordered that army to seize that territory.

            Didn’t you know that, BigCat?

            BigCat: “If a.)“the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not b). “imperative reasons of security”, then what is?!”

            The most obvious truth to take away from that spray is that BigCat very obviously does NOT know what the word “imperative” actually means.

            Obviously not, otherwise he would not have posed such a stupid question.

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          • BigCat

            1. “yeahright” claims:

            “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not at all the same thing as an “imperative reasons of security”.

            2. In case you missed it, here is the question again

            Question:

            If a.)“the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not b). “imperative reasons of security”, then what is?! Perhaps the protection of oil fields?

            Answer that question and spare us your rambling mumbo jumbo, you delusional Donkey-brain!

            (AFTER that we will take up your other idiotic claims about “motherhood statements” and show you how international law proves what a donkey-brain you are!)

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat askes: “If a.)“the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not b). “imperative reasons of security”, then what is?! ”

            Well, first things first: “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is NOT an “imperative reasons of security”, it is a “motherhood statement”.

            Or, put another way: the word that describes that aim is not “imperative” but “aspirational”.

            If you want to understand what is meant by “imperative reasons of security” then the answer is in Picot’s Commentary on Geneva Convention IV.

            You can find a copy here, dude: http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/GC_1949-IV.pdf

            BigCat: “Perhaps the protection of oil fields?”

            No, that’s a matter of “common sense”, it is not an “imperative reasons of security”.

            Or, put another way: you put protection around your oil fields even if you DON’T have any reason to believe that *this* dude or *that* guy is plotting to attack them Real Soon Now.

            Just admit it, dude, you DON’T know the plain meaning of the word “imperative”.

            Picot understood it perfectly well.
            I know what it means.

            But you?

            Nah, you, not so much…..

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          • BigCat

            1. “yeahright” claims:

            “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not at all the same thing as an “imperative reasons of security”.

            2. Here is the question AGAIN

            Question:

            If a.)“the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not b). “imperative reasons of security”, then what is?!

            Now, answer ONLY that question, you delusional Donkey-brain!

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “If a.)“the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not b). “imperative reasons of security”, then what is?!”

            Well, pretty much anything that ISN’T a motherhood statement is More Imperative Than BigCat’s Option (a).

            Think about it, BigCat.

            No, really, actually THINK about it. “The protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is a motherhood statement, and can be carried out in many, many, many different ways that don’t require the incarceration without trial of protected persons.

            An “imperative reason of security” is where you have reason to believe that *this* person is planning to kill *those* people, and unless you incarcerate the former then the attack on the latter will become inevitable.

            That’s “imperative”, and it contains much more than simply “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis”, which is merely “aspirational” e.g. the security forces are carrying out that latter task every day of the week in many, many, many different ways, and even with/without any knowledge of any threat represented by anyone.

            Now you can repeat your question *again*, and I’ll answer it *again*.
            But don’t pretend that I haven’t answered it, because I most surely have.

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          • BigCat

            1. “yeahright” claims:

            “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not at all the same thing as an “imperative reasons of security”.

            2. Ÿeahright

            “The protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is a motherhood statement, and can be carried out in many, many, many different ways that don’t require the incarceration without trial of protected persons.

            3. “yeahright”

            “An “imperative reason of security” is where you have reason to believe that *this* person is planning to kill *those* people, and unless you incarcerate the former then the attack on the latter will become inevitable. That’s “imperative”, and it contains much more than simply “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis”, which is merely “aspirational”!

            Conclusion:

            Folks, there you have your summation of Confusion in Donkey-land! Apparently, if Israel believes that a Palestinian/a group of Palestinians is planning to abduct and possibly kill Israeli children and/or soldiers and/or civilians or calling for such actions to be taken against mentioned Israelis, Israel may not incarcerate those Palestinians, because, ya know, “the protection of the lives of innocent Israelis” is not at all the same thing as an “imperative reasons of security”. BUT, “An “imperative reason of security” is where you have reason to believe that *this* person is planning to kill *those* people, and unless you incarcerate the former then the attack on the latter will become inevitable”!
            Oh dear…. what a confused rambling donkey this “yeahright” is!

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        • BigCat

          “yeahright” claims:

          “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.”

          Hilarious! So says the donkey-brain called “yeahright”!

          Btw “yeahright”:

          Operation Brothers Keeper was about the
          a). kidnapping,
          b) hostage taking and
          c). murder of three Israelis, two of whom were children!

          If you believe that Operation Brothers Keeper was about preventing Hamas-Fatah unity government, you must be the ultimate donkey!

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “Hilarious! So says the donkey-brain called “yeahright”! ”

            This is a fact: Israel insists that Hamas is the government of Gaza.

            That means that every single government employee in the Gaza Strip – the dog catcher, the traffic warden, the garbage collector – fall into the category of “members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder”.

            Therefore Ginger-Logic (I know, I know) and BigCat-Logic (yes, even more ludicrous, I know) will insist that each and every one of ’em is a candidate for administrative detention.

            But for anyone with a functioning brain that proposition simply is not true i.e. a dog-catcher (even a “Hamas dog catcher”) does not pose an imperative security threat to the occupier and, therefore, can not be placed under administrative detention.

            The same is true of the traffic cop and the garbage collector i.e. it simply does not matter that they are “members of Hamas” and, therefore, “members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder”. They themselves do not pose an “imperative security” threat to the occupying power and therefore can not be placed under administrative detention.

            Honestly, BigCat, do you *ever* think before shooting off your mouth?

            Even once?

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          • BigCat

            “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.”

            So says the donkey-brain called “yeahright”! The stupidity is just monumental. Oh dear….

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “Btw “yeahright”:”

            Why do I have a sinking feeling that BigCat is about to insult both our intelligence?

            BigCat: “Operation Brothers Keeper was about the
            a). kidnapping,
            b) hostage taking and
            c). murder of three Israelis, two of whom were children!”

            Hahahahahahahahah!!!!!

            Yet the references to Brother’s Keeper in this article contain links that take us to an IDF officer who admits that this was “planned in advance and are being implemented with no connection to their stated purpose – the return of the three kidnapped Israelis teenagers”

            If you believe that this exercise in Human Vacuum Cleaning was in any way related to the search from those three boys then, honestly, you most definitely have not been paying attention.

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          • BigCat

            More donkey-talk from the donkey-brain called “yeahright”. What a delusional moron!

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “More donkey-talk from the donkey-brain called “yeahright”. What a delusional moron!”

            I’ll note again that when the unmitigated stupidity of BigCat-logic is pointed out to him then he invariably responds with an ad-hom attack.

            Here, once more: BigCat-logic insists that merely being a “member of Hamas” makes one eligible for incarceration via administrative detention.

            That “logic” is obviously flawed, since every person on the government payroll in Gaza – including tax collectors, traffic wardens, whatever – will fulfil the criteria of being “a member of Hamas”.

            Yet it is axiomatic that “collecting the taxes” or “directing the traffic” does not – and can not – constitute an “imperative security threat” to the occupying power.

            QED: BigCat is so wrong that he is, indeed, revealed as a person who’s only defining characteristic is that he is As Stupid As Ginger.

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          • BigCat

            “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.”

            Those are YOUR OWN words, you donkey-brain! I did not add, remove or qualify it in any way, shape or form. I quoted YOU verbatim, you delusional donkey-brain!

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “Those are YOUR OWN words, you donkey-brain!”

            *sigh*

            And my own words were perfectly correct. Unlike yours, and unlike Ginger’s.

            Being a member of Hamas is NOT sufficient reason for an occupying power to place a person under administrative detention.

            Ginger (correctly, which is a surprise) quotes the relevant section of GCIV: “If the Occupying Power considers it necessary, for imperative reasons of security, to take safety measures concerning protected persons, it may, at the most, subject them to assigned residence or to internment.”

            The “security reasons” must therefore be “imperative”, and simply being a “member of Hamas” does not fit that definition.

            Pointing out how bloodthirsty or murderous Hamas may be AS AN ORGANIZATION does not matter, because Article 78 does not apply to “organizations”, it applies to “persons”.

            The protected person h.i.m.s.e.l.f. must represent an IMPERATIVE security threat, and pointing to his political affiliation or his party membership – which is what Ginger did, and you still do – does not demonstrate that they are an IMPERATIVE security threat.

            Honestly, do you have any functioning brain cells? Any at all?

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          • BigCat

            “yeahright”

            The record on this site shows that Ginger has always thought you hard lessons when it comes to the law. It is no surprise that she is always on your mind. Even when she is not responding to you (and she rarely does), you continue to invoke and hallucinate about her and having wet dreams.

            Here is what you said, “yeahright”

            “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.”

            That’s what a donkey says. That’s all the evidence we need to know that you are a donkey-brain! The rest of the mumbo jumbo you repeat over and over again is nothing but an attempt to dilute your monumental stupidity, you delusional moron.

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          • Yeah, Right

            I said this: “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.” ”

            I am perfectly correct to say that i.e. it should be obvious to anyone that a “Hamas dog catcher” and a “Hamas traffic warden” (both of whom surely exist, and I’ll note that never once has BigCat attempted to deny that) does not represent an “imperative security reason” that would justify locking them up without trial.

            And this is the reply I get…..

            BigCat: “That’s what a donkey says. That’s all the evidence we need to know that you are a donkey-brain! The rest of the mumbo jumbo you repeat over and over again is nothing but an attempt to dilute your monumental stupidity, you delusional moron.”

            I will note, yet again, that there is no substance to that “rebuttal”, consisting as it does of nothing more than 100% unadulterated ad-hominem.

            One more time: Hamas is an organization that collects taxes, catches stray dogs, directs traffic, etc., etc., in addition to its more “murderous” predilections.

            Nobody denies that, least of all BigCat.

            Soooooooo, once more, yet again: explain to me how a “Hamas dog catcher” or a “Hamas traffic warden” represents an “imperative security reason” that would justify placing them under indefinite detention without trial?

            Please, BigCat, explain that, because I’m genuinely curious to see your “reasoning”.

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          • BigCat

            Yeah, “yeahright” said this:

            “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.”

            That’s what a donkey says. That is monumental stupidity! We all read it and we all understand it. It does not need explain, moron. Your attempts to “explain” is only but an exercise to whitewash your monumental stupidity. You yourself continue to provide the evidence that you are the Ultimate Donkey of +972!

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          • Yeah, Right

            It is time to point out, yet again, that when BigCat is pushed into an indefensible position (admittedly, not all that difficult) he invariably abandons all attempt at defending his position.

            He retreats instead into ad-hominem invective, as is so ably shown above.

            It would appear that he believes that we won’t notice that he has ceased to engage in anything even remotely resembling “debate”.

            Apparently so, since he is still pretending that I have not asked my question, which I will now ask yet again: Explain to me how a “Hamas dog catcher” or a “Hamas traffic warden” represents an “imperative security reason” that would justify placing them under indefinite detention without trial?

            Queue BigCat’s ludicrous attempts to avoid answering that question….
            Queue BigCat’s refusal to acknowledge that the question has been posed…

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          • BigCat

            Yeah, “yeahright” said this:

            “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.”

            That’s what a donkey says. That is monumental stupidity! It is self-explanatory! Your attempts to “explain” is only but an exercise to dilute the shock reverberating from your monumental stupidity. STOP “explaining” you delusional donkey-brain. We have had enough of your mumbo-jumbo “explanations”!

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          • BigCat

            Yeah, “yeahright” said this:

            “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.”

            That’s what a donkey says. That is monumental stupidity! It is self-explanatory! Your attempts to “explain” is only but an exercise to dilute the shock reverberating from your monumental stupidity. STOP “explaining” you delusional donkey-brain!

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          • Yeah, Right

            BigCat: “It is self-explanatory!”

            No, I’m asking YOU to explain this very, very simple question: Explain to me how a “Hamas dog catcher” or a “Hamas traffic warden” represents an “imperative security reason” that would justify placing them under indefinite detention without trial?

            Now, can you “explain” that, or can’t you?

            Because, so very sorry, your recent track record indicates that you not only CAN’T offer an explanation but that you are actively running away from that question.

            So stop being a coward and attempt an answer.

            I’ll wait….

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          • BigCat

            Yeah, “yeahright” said this:

            “Simply being a members of organizations sworn to murder and mass murder is not an “imperative” reason to detain someone.”

            That’s what a donkey says. That is monumental stupidity! It is self-explanatory! Your “hamas-dog-catcher-mumbo-jumbo” is nothing but an attempts to dilute the shock reverberating from your monumental stupidity. STOP “explaining”! No one is interested in your “hamas-dog-catcher-mumbo-jumob” or your hamas-man making love to his wife, yada yada yada, you delusional donkey-brain.

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          • BigCat

            Moving forward…

            “yeahright” claims:

            “Ginger quoted Article 78 of Geneva Convention IV, which very clearly deals with the rights and obligations of an occupying power towards the protected persons that are subject to its authority. It does not deal with the rights an obligations of “a state” towards “its citizens”, precisely because an “occupying power” is not “a state”. The “occupying power” is, in fact and in law, the “Army of Occupation”, not the state that ordered that army to seize that territory.”

            That’s what a donkey says, and right there we have another conclusive EVIDENCE that the individual who calls himself “yeahright” is indeed a donkey-brain! What a monumental stupidity! Apparently, in the mind of this delusional moron, Israel is no longer an “occupying power” – contrary to what he himself has constantly claimed on this site! Israel has no obligations whatsoever towards the Palestinians, because, ya know, Israel is not the “occupying power”, but rather the IDF! What kind of a donkey are you “yeahright”?!

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          • Yeah, Right

            We can have no better illustration of the arrogance of ignorance than this latest spray from BigCat, who still does not understand that under international humanitarian law it is the Army of Occupation that is “the occupying power”, not the state that ordered that army to seize and hold that territory.

            Hague Regulations, Article 42: “Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.”
            Hague Regulations, Article 43: “The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant,”….

            QED: the “occupant” is whomsoever “holds authority”, which is “the hostile army”.

            That’s what the law says, and so that’s what the law means.

            If you want practical examples then they abound, because all “laws” in the West Bank are promulgated by means of Military Orders, which are issued by…. the Commander of the Army in the West Bank.

            Ariel is to be elevated to the status of a University?
            Then that is accomplished by means of a Military Order, not by a proclamation by the Israeli Minister for Education.

            Construction is needed for a water pipe leading to a settlement?
            Then tenders is called via a Military Order, not by the Israeli Infrastructure Minister.

            Nothing gets done inside the West Bank by “normal” government action. Nothing. It is all done via Military Orders, and all those orders must be signed by the IDF Commander in the West Bank (or by his deputies in the Civil Administration, which is actually a military organization that answers only to…. the IDF commander in the West Bank).

            Q: Why?
            A: Because all authority in an occupied territory is held by the commander of the Army of Occupation..

            Q: Why?
            A: Because int’l humanitarian law identifies the Army of Occupation as “the occupying power”.

            You still don’t know that, do you?

            You probably never will, because your ignorance makes your arrogance impenetrable.

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          • BigCat

            Again:

            According to “yeahright”:

            a). The State Of Israel is NOT “occupying” the West Bank! The State of Israel is NOT an “occupying power”!
            b). When the 4th Geneva Convention and the Hague Regulations use the term “occupying power”, they do NOT mean the State Of Israel, because, ya know, “the occupying power” is whomsoever “holds authority”, which is “the hostile army”, NOT the State Of Israel!
            c). Israel is NOT “the occupier” as we hear incessantly e.g. here: http://www.eccpalestine.org/israels-obligations-as-an-occupying-power-under-international-law-its-violations-and-implications-for-eu-policy/!

            Anyone still looking for the EVIDENCE that ÿeahright” is indeed The Ultimate Confused Donkey, there you have that evidence yet again. The stupidity of this “yeahright” has reached a new monumental level! I am literarily falling out of my chair laughing my ass off! Hilarious…..what a donkey-brain this “yeahright” is?!

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    6. Ginger Eis

      The case against Marwan Barghouti

      1. Marwan Barghouti was the leader of a terrorist death squads called the Tanzim and Al Aqsa brigade;

      2. Both terrorist organizations have murdered hundreds of innocent Israeli civilians, including children having a nice time in a discotheque;

      3. Marwan Barghouti was indicted and charged with – among others – 33 murders and several counts of attempted murder;

      4. Marwan Bargouti was convicted of 5 murders. Marwan Barghouti is a convicted serial murderer!

      5. In the United States Of America, Marwan Barghouti would have been put on the Electric Chair and executed like his fellow mass murders and serial killers, such as Timothy McVeigh! But instead of dying a painful death like his victims, the serial killer and mass murderer Marwan Barghouti is vacationing in Israeli jail and having conjugal visits with his wife, while +972mag tries to whitewash him into a saint. I guess Pope Francis should be taking notes now, no? Soon there will be calls to declare him a living Saint. Setting aside the Cannon law in order to achieve that goal should not be a problem; after all, the serial killer and mass murderer was awarded an honorary PhD degree will serving time for murder! Kill a Jew and get a PhD-degree! Kill a Jew and become a Saint! Oh, The Banality Of Evil!

      Mr. Noam Rotem, this is the handiwork of your HERO: Marwan Barghouti.

      Watch. And Weep!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1x3lV5zvBA

      (a) 11 dead! (b) over 50 wounded, (c) 13 of the wounded disabled! The attack was carried out by Al Aqsa brigade. Marwan Barghouti is the leader of Al Aqsa brigade. Marwan Barghouti is the HERO of +972mag. The Victims of Marwan Barghouti are Untermenschen!

      (Guys, I am feeling very ill after reading this article. I will leave now and will not be responding or posting again on this thread anymore)

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      • Ben

        On the other hand, it can be said that Israel keeps Marwan Barghouti locked up because it does not want an effective Palestinian leader who could unite his people, end the occupation, and make peace with Israel. It does not want a Palestinian Nelson Mandela but the curious thing is, now that boycott is increasingly spoken about, there is a man sitting in a prison who bears uncanny resemblance to Nelson Mandela in important ways. As the article below says,

        “Britain jailed Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru in 1942, but they released Nehru in 1944 and two years later he was negotiating Indian independence. He became the first prime minister of an independent India in 1947.
        In Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta was put in prison by the British in 1952 and released in 1961. One year later the British were negotiating independence with him and in 1963 he became prime minister of an independent Kenya.

        In South Africa, Mandela was released from jail in 1990 and within months was negotiating independence with his captors. It took just four years from prison cell to president’s palace and the hope is that Barghouti, now 54, can do the same.”

        http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/28/release-marwan-barghouti-palestines-nelson-mandela

        “…Many believe he could come out of prison, stand for election, win the presidency, unite the Palestinian factions, negotiate a settlement, put it to his people, win their support and then preside over a process of “truth and reconciliation” in a newly independent country…

        Even Shimon Peres, when he was running for the presidency of Israel, declared he would sign a pardon for Barghouti. In the event, the Knesset never approved his pardon because of the vehement opposition of ministers such as Silvan Shalom, who said: “It is out of the question to free an assassin who has blood on his hands and was duly sentenced by a court.”

        But if peace is ever to come, Israel will have to acknowledge that Barghouti was a political and not a military leader, that he never carried arms and that he always opposed actions targeting Israeli civilians, even while defending the right of Palestinians to resist….”

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        • Pedro X

          Marwan Barghouti was the military leader of the Tanzim, founded and help fund al-Asqa Martyr Brigade attacks and coordintaed activities with all violent factions. His group of terrorists targeted Israeli citizens, children, women and men of all ages.

          On January 15, 2002 Yoela Chen, 45, a secretary at Wolfson Hospital in Holon, and her aunt Rachel Heini, 70 were driving to a family wedding in Jerusalem. They stopped in Giv’at Ze’ev, just north of Jerusalem, to get gas. Two Arabs approached the car and spoke to the women. They fired at the car, eight or nine rounds, hitting Yoela in the head and chest and killing her, and wounding her aunt in the shoulder and hand.

          The attack on Yoela Chen was ordered, financed, and organized by Marwan Barghouti.

          Barghouti admitted responsibility and was convicted of premeditated murder in an Israeli court. He was also convicted of ordering the attack in which a Greek Orthodox monk was murdered in Ma’aleh Adumim in June, 2001, and the attack at Tel Aviv’s Seafood Market restaurant in March, 2002 that resulted in the deaths of three and the injury of 31 other persons.

          Barghouti became the head of a joint coordinating body of all Palestinian organizations in the West Bank (Fatah, PFLP, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad) known as the “Nationalist and Islamic Forces.” Subsequently, Fatah established joint units with Hamas and Islamic Jihad for operations against Israel beginning in early 2001.

          Haaretz reported on April 12, 2012 that

          “Imprisoned Fatah leader Marwan Barghouti had confessed during his investigation with Israel’s Shin Bet to giving instructions and money to the Fatah terrorist groups that murdered Israeli citizens.”

          “He confessed to transferring funds, some that arrived from Arafat’s office, to leaders of the terror groups. In some incidents he funded the purchase of weapons and in others he received reports on the terror attacks.

          In one incident – the shooting attack in which an Israeli citizen was killed near Givat Ze’ev [the murder of Yoela Chen] – Barghouti confessed that he ordered the attack as revenge for the assassination of a senior Fatah official.”

          “Barghouti said during his investigation that he chose to take part in the terror attacks against the Israel Defense Forces and settlers, among other things to bolster his reputation among public opinion in the West Bank.”

          One will also remember that Israel once before had released Marwan Barghouti from prison and this did not end in peace. He became a leader of the second intifada and an instigator of the slaughter of Israelis and Palestinians. On September 21 ,2001 he gave an interview with al-Hayat in which he said he initiated the conflict that became the second intifada in response to Sharon’s visit to the temple mount:

          “There were those who were opposed to the conflict. At the same time, I saw within the situation a historic opportunity to ignite the conflict….

          After Sharon left, I had stayed in the area for two hours with other well known people and we spoke about the character of the reaction and of how people should react in all the towns and villages and not only in Jerusalem. We made contact with all the factions.”

          Bharghouti himself surveyed what he had done and said in the interview:

          “The situation was war. By definition. Now, more then ever I felt as if the city of Jerusalem was burning. I also felt that there was a good Jerusalemite and Palestinian response. Through the media I called to turn the next day into a day of solidarity with Jerusalem.”

          Thus he birthed the second intifada and the deaths of over 5,000 Israelis and Palestinians. Barghouti should never be released from jail.

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          • Ben

            Just to clarify, Barghouti has said he opposes attacks on civilians inside Israel. In an opinion piece published in the Washington Post in 2002, Barghouti said Palestinians must have the right to protect themselves.
            “And while I, and the Fatah movement to which I belong, strongly oppose attacks and the targeting of civilians inside Israel, our future neighbour, I reserve the right to protect myself, to resist the Israeli occupation of my country and to fight for my freedom…If Palestinians are expected to negotiate under occupation, then Israel must be expected to negotiate as we resist that occupation.”

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          • BigCat

            Brian alias “Ben” alias “MuslimJew” alias etc.,

            Did you even read any of what Pedro posted or are you just interested in listening to your own idiocy? ALL of Marwan Barghouti’s victims are CIVILIANS! Yoela Chen was a 45yrs old woman who stopped to put fuel in her car. Marwan Barghouti ordered her execution by snipers and ADMITTED giving the order! Is that YOUR “Nelson Mandela”? Is that how he “protects himself”, you gullible psychotic anti-Semite?!

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        • BigCat

          Brian alias “Ben” alias “MuslimJew” alias etc.

          “…….In the United States Of America, Marwan Barghouti would have been put on the Electric Chair and executed like his fellow mass murders and serial killers, such as Timothy McVeigh! But instead of dying a painful death like his victims, the serial killer and mass murderer Marwan Barghouti is vacationing in Israeli jail and having conjugal visits with his wife, while +972mag tries to whitewash him into a saint. I guess Pope Francis should be taking notes now, no? Soon there will be calls to declare him a living Saint. Setting aside the Cannon law in order to achieve that goal should not be a problem; after all, the serial killer and mass murderer was awarded an honorary PhD degree will serving time for murder! Kill a Jew and get a PhD-degree! Kill a Jew and become a Saint! Oh, The Banality Of Evil!……..”

          You are doing exactly that, Benny! Oh dear……Tell me, Benny, why do anti-Semites like you, Benny, always run around in a circle confused and trying to make saints out of sociopathic serial murderers? Somehow the murderous thug Marwan Barghout, who specializes in sneaking up to innocent civilians: men, women and children and murdering them, is YOUR Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi? What kind of an psychotic anti-Semitic lunatic are you, Benny?

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    7. If facts matter, there’s so much wrong with this article. About Marwan Barghouti:
      “In June 2004 he was sentenced by an Israeli military court to five consecutive life sentences and 40 years imprisonment for his role in planning terrorist attacks against Israelis.”

      I attended the open trial in Tel Aviv District Court. Foreign media were all over it, as were scores of observers, including many Palestinian Arabs and members of the accused’s family. It was certainly no military court but most people will see why the writer would want to claim it was.

      “Planning terrorist attacks” is a dishonest and misleading way to characterize the charges against him. Murder was top of that list, and murder is what the court found to be proven. Barghouti is a convicted murderer.

      Oddly the total number of his victims who were soldiers, police or security officials was (as I recall it) zero. Not so odd (but sad) that Noam Rotem would fail to note this.

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      • Jackdaw

        “Not so odd (but sad) that Noam Rotem would fail to note this.”

        This is an appallingly amateurish article.
        Shame on 972Mag.

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