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Majority of Israeli Jews support bus segregation, survey finds

Surveys by Israeli Democracy Index and Tel Aviv University find that most Israeli Jews prefer separate buses for Jews and Palestinians in the West Bank; one-quarter of Arab respondents support the torching of Jerusalem’s only mixed Jewish-Arab school. 

As Israel heads into election cycle, a shower of political punditry will yet again distract everyone from the issues that affect people’s lives. That is the main reason, in my opinion, why the prime minister wanted elections. He has exhausted all other means of doing nothing.

Yet it’s worth remembering the issues. The following is a selection of public opinion data from the two recent Israel Peace Index surveys conducted by the Israel Democracy Index and Tel Aviv University.*  I’ve chosen a few themes that will likely be, or should be, central to the coming campaign debates.

Crisis in U.S.-Israel relations

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry addresses reporters at the Presidential Palace in Cairo, Egypt, on July 22, 2014, amid a series of discussions with Egyptian leaders focused on creating a cease-fire for fighting between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. (State Department photo/ Public Domain)

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry addresses reporters at the Presidential Palace in Cairo, Egypt, on July 22, 2014, amid a series of discussions with Egyptian leaders focused on creating a cease-fire for fighting between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. (State Department photo/ Public Domain)

– Sixty-two percent of Israelis think that relations between Netanyahu and the Obama Administration are poor or very poor, and even more, 70 percent, among the Jewish population.

– Forty percent believe this is the fault of the U.S., but 30 percent also blame the Israeli side. Another 20 percent think both are to blame. Thus, half the population believes Israel is at least partly to blame.

– However, a strong majority apparently believes that the tension between Israel and the U.S. is a matter of ebb and flow, rhetoric and posturing, with few consequences. Nearly three-quarters (72 percent) disagree with the idea that continued deterioration of relations will lead to the U.S. no longer being a very close ally.

– Finally, Israelis were asked about concrete American policy steps to pressure Israel. Participants were asked their opinion if, “the United States no longer vetoes anti-Israel Security Council resolutions, greatly reduces its economic support for Israel, and stops providing Israel with the most advanced military equipment.” Nearly half of respondents, 48 percent, said these steps would harm Israel’s security, compared to just over 38 percent who said they could actually strengthen Israeli independence. There was minimal difference between Arabs and Jews regarding those who said it would harm Israeli security. However, more Jews, 40 percent, thought (or hoped) such measures would bolster Israel’s independence from the U.S.

Election time means heightened sensitivities. Taking such steps could easily cause a nationalist backlash against the U.S. that plays into the right. But getting Israelis to realize that harsh rhetoric is followed by actual policy could highlight what Israelis fear: that their country is becoming isolated, alienated and friendless.

Netanyahu: Policy for himself, not for the people

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Photo by Activestills.org)

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Photo by Activestills.org)

A remarkable finding is the strong majority that believes the prime minister makes decisions of great national importance based on his own political interests, rather than those of the country.

– When asked why Netanyahu announced renewed construction in the territories in October, 62 percent of the public – 64 percent among Jews – said this was pandering to the Right.

– Just one-fifth (21 percent) thinks Netanyahu really believes construction serves the interests of Israel. Among Jewish respondents the portion was the same as the total (22 percent).

Similarly, the “Jewish Nation-State Law” triggered a premature NIS 3 billion election cycle, further poisoned the environment between Arabs and Jews, and drove an ultra-nationalist discourse with violent manifestations. All this, the public believes, was for Netanyahu’s personal gain.

– Nearly two thirds – 64 percent – say Netanyahu was mainly trying boost his popularity among the right wing and settlers. Seventy-seven percent of Arabs feel this way.

– Just 30 percent of Jews and only 18 percent of Arabs (27 percent of the whole public) think Netanyahu supported the law out of genuine concern for the issue.

– Most striking: nearly half the population (45 percent) think the law will damage the interests of the State of Israel, while only 28 percent think it will advance the state’s interests. Among Jews, 40 percent think it will do damage; another 22 percent think the law will have no influence. Together, a striking 62 percent of the Jewish population sees nothing good coming from this law. Among Arabs, fully 71 percent think it will do damage.

These findings represent an extraordinary rift between the will of the people and the elected representatives who are mired in a dark game of ultra-nationalist outbidding, at the expense of governance.

Too much support for separation and discrimination

Damage from an arson attack that targeted first-grade classrooms at a Jewish-Arab school near the Palestinian neighborhood of Beit Safafa in southern Jerusalem, November 30, 2014. Spray painted on the walls were racist slogans in Hebrew reading: "Death to Arabs" and "There's no coexistence with cancer". (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

Damage from an arson attack that targeted first-grade classrooms at a Jewish-Arab school near the Palestinian neighborhood of Beit Safafa in southern Jerusalem, November 30, 2014. Spray painted on the walls were racist slogans in Hebrew reading: “Death to Arabs” and “There’s no coexistence with cancer”. (Photo by Oren Ziv/Activestills.org)

The good news is that for most of the questions, the majority rejects dramatic apartheid-like behavior. The bad news is that one of the most egregious and symbolic such measures – the Jim Crow-like separation of buses – is supported by a majority. Perhaps worse still, the minorities that favor other discriminatory actions are not single-digits or radical margins but large chunks of society. Some understandably wish that recent racist incidents were isolated exceptions. But the numbers show a large and ugly iceberg beneath the sharp peaks that break the water. Thus:

– Fully 51 percent of Israeli society – and 56 percent of the Jewish population – support the defense minister’s call to ban Palestinians from riding on the same buses with Jews to and from the West Bank.

– While 34 percent of Jews oppose such a measure, just 20 percent of the total sample are strongly against it – more than those who are moderately opposed (14 percent).

– Notably, 29 percent of Arab respondents also support the ban.

However, very few support the torching of the Jewish-Arab school last week.

– Just 10 percent support the vandalism and 86 percent reject it. Still, 10 percent? That represents 800,000 Israeli people who would burn down a school.

– Another disturbing finding: Over one-quarter of the Arab respondents support the action, compared to just over six percent of the Jewish respondents. (The small sample means a high margin of error, but even as an indication, it is worrisome.)

In between these two poles of high support for Jim Crow policies and majority rejection of violence against schools lies a middle ground of discriminatory actions against Arabs that are apparently more acceptable. About one-quarter to nearly half of Jews support such actions  (the questions were not asked of Arabs).

– Forty-three percent of Jews support calls not to employ Arabs in areas near Jewish kindergartens.

– Over one-quarter – 26 percent – of Jews oppose employing Arabs in hospitals and nursing institutions (Arabs represent an increasingly prominent portion of the medical staff in Israel at all levels).

These respondents probably do not view themselves as radicals or see these as extreme measures, but rather as pragmatic responses to an unfortunate situation. That is precisely the danger of burning schools. It is less about damaging Jewish-Arab education – the “Hand-in-Hand” initiative has seen an outpouring of support since the attack. But it makes expulsion from the workplace look legitimate. It makes racist policies look reasonable and helps self-described moderates embrace them. And everyone thinks he or she is a moderate.

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*The two polls were fielded in early November and early December, among representative samples of 602 and 603 respondents, respectively. More information about the surveys is available on the Peace Index website.

Related:
‘We will overcome’: Arson and mourning at Jerusalem’s bilingual school
Segregating the evening commute to the West Bank

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    1. I’ll never take a bus again because I don’t want to sit with a lot of people who like the idea of segregated buses. I know there are other Jews who feel the same way; according to this poll 34% of Jews oppose this. If that 34% opposed it to the point they refused to enrich this system, it would force them to change. Walk, car pool, take a taxi or a train, which is what I plan on doing from now on. I hope others will do the same. The only thing the oppressor understands is the loss of capital. That’s what it took to change segregation on buses in Birmingham, Alabama 60 years ago. Rosa Parks – of blessed memory, would certainly agree.

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      • Merav

        this fraud – “marnie” – claims to be Jewish by “CONVERSION”; this same canine supports running over Israelis with cars and buses!

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        • FASCIST TROLL.

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          • Ginger Eis

            Excellent, Merav. Ya got me thinking and I went back to consult the files and started connecting the dots (and thxx also for your support sis!!!). There are even more disturbing posts from this manic and psychotic marnie on this site where she expressed her support with Victor Arjas for doing what the Iranian President Ahmadinejad of Iran proposed: wiping Israel off the map. It is interesting that she is definitely not Jewish even as she claimed that she is to lend weight to her anti-Semitic rants. This thing called “marnie” is clearly not just manic and psychotic, but also a big Fraud.

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          • “Excellent Merav”…….Dr. Evil talking to Mini Me.

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          • Josh

            I actually like it when the voices in in stinker eis crumbled brain come down to earth and talk to one another here coram publico. Guess that eases the massive pain in her head a bit.

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          • Merav

            ….the fraudulent marnie is getting paranoid…… hilarious

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          • Ginger Eis

            Right, Merav, that ‘things’ is not just manic and psychotic but also paranoid and a fraud. That ‘thing’ just does not know when to even when shut up, but instead continues to provide evidence of her psychotic mind against herself. SMH.

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      • Sluggo

        Marnie “reading comprehension” Robbins: you may that the bus again. The question only referred to bus lines that operate in the West Bank. And I am sure that the response was driven more from safety than it was from bigotry.

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        • I won’t be riding any buses on the principal that I don’t want to support monetarily to that system.

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          • Ginger Eis

            I am certain you won’t be riding any buses whatsoever in Israel. You need to be in Israel to do that and it remains to be seen if you would be allowed entry into Israel. Heck, you are not even an Israeli. What a fraud!

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    2. Bruce Gould

      “Israel’s One State Reality” appeared in the New Yorker a few weeks ago ( http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/17/one-state-reality ). The second to the last pargraph:

      “In the nineties, I thought our problem would be solved before South Africa’s,” Peres had told me. “There were economic sanctions, but what really brought down the Afrikaners was the sense of isolation. Suddenly, they had nowhere to go.” Peres, of course, opposes any boycott of Israel, but his concern was clear. Many Israeli friends have remarked on the élite in the country—doctors, artists, engineers, businesspeople; call it two hundred thousand people—who provide Israel with its economic and cultural vibrancy. That élite is no less patriotic than the rest, but if its members begin to see a narrowing horizon for their children, if they sense their businesses shrinking, if they sense an Israel deeply diminished in the eyes of Europe and the United States, they will head elsewhere, or their children will. Not all at once, and not everyone, but there is no denying that one cost of occupation is isolation.

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      • Sure of course, the people with money will take off. I don’t begrudge them, but it would seem more honorable to stay and try to change the situation for the better. Easier said than done, obviously.

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    3. Mikesailor

      I often find it funny how those paragons of Zionist philanthropy; men like Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson, talk up the worst excesses of the so-called “Jewish” state but wouldn’t be caught dead living there. The ones who can leave: those with foreign passports or at least a modicum of financial and educational attainment will run and won’t let the door hit them in the ass on their way out. Left behind will be the religious and those who either find themselves financially unable to leave or are true believer Zionists who won’t give up the nightmare. My prediction: The US will find that the maintenance of a Jewish state is untenable and they will cease support sooner rather than later. As Jewish influence in the mass media wanes (witness the firing of the Zionist wing at the New Republic and the publishing of Op-eds by anti-zionsts like Max Blumenthal in the New Tork Times), more and more stories critical of Israel will arise and be published. The momentum has already started and I don’t see a realistic scenario where it will swing back in the Zionist’s favor. Countries don’t have permanent “friends”, only permanent interests. And Israel is neither. As to the buses etc. in Israel; you can’t separate from the rest of the world although that is the premise and heart of Zionism. Sooner or later you must work out a modus vivendi with the dreaded “other” and change otherwise everything will fall apart and the end will be far harsher and bloodier than it ever needed to be. Zionism is a dead letter. It was a dumb idea to start with which is why the real Jewish intellectuals like Arendt, Magnes and Einstein cut it loose. Pity so many must suffer and die over such a misbegotten idea.

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      • Ginger Eis

        Mikesailor, your hallucinations and anti-Semitic rants aren’t impressive, let alone scare anyone.

        1. Those “Jewish Philanthropists” you rant about have spent hundreds of millions of dollars helping the ‘have-nots’ of the world. On the other hand you and your ilk concentrate your hate against Jews and the Jewish State, while masquerading as “human rights” activists and doing absolutely nothing for ‘the-less-fortunate’ either in YOUR own countries or elsewhere;

        2. Public transportation in the Jewish State is open, and I repeat OPEN to all regardless of race, ethnicity and nationality. The issue of “segregation” regards a specific bus line and has to do with the personal safety of the specific Israelis living in said specific area (and they are NOT all Jews!). Just a few weeks ago a young woman was butchered by an Arab with a machete/knife in the area in question. Her ONLY crime (thank you for asking)? She was a Jew! I rather be a racist than dead!

        3. To Israel, you and your hateful ilk are nothing more than little chickens. You may thus rant as much as you want; you may foam at the mouth and stomp your feet as much as you want; heck, you may have as much wet dreams as you want hallucinating about the demise of the Jewish State, but here is news for you and your fellow haters, Mikesailor: Israel IS and will EVER BE! The day your ugly head raises itself up against her, it will be crushed! Got it, Mikesailor?

        Am Yisrael Chai!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg258TtFgaY

        Wooohooo!

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        • Bryan

          Keep that megaphone beside you Ginger. The Jewish state will last for ever – and how do you know that? Did God tell you? The Nazi state fell very far short of its claimed 1000 years; the British Empire fell apart; the Soviet Union collapsed; Apartheid South Africa was transformed; two previous attempts to establish a Jewish state were destroyed. Yet Ginger knows that Israel is here for ever. Are you a fortune teller or are you a serious analyst of world affairs? Have have you been reading the runes, analysing the coffee grounds or dissecting chicken entrails? You are indeed a creature of superior intelligence, or are you just whistling in the dark and singing in the rain?

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      • Sluggo

        Lol. Sailor boy has it all figured out.

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    4. Average American

      Understand this about Jewish Law (Torah) that Israel runs on: Anyone who is not Jewish is not even human. Only good for beasts of labor for underpaid dirty jobs. Jew doesn’t have to save the life of non-Jew. Jewish blood is different, better. So why ride on a bus with dirty animals? Read the Torah for yourself.

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      • I think the problem is a lot deeper than “religion”. Don’t all governments operate to divide and conquer it’s population? It’s easier if people are divided by religion, race, class, etc., and bogus “problems” are invented to keep them busy fussing and feuding with each other over nothing while the government keeps busy doing things that aren’t good for the people they are supposed to serve?

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        • Ginger Eis

          Apart from the psychotic fraud marnie, “Victor Arjas”, “Mikesailor”, ‘Average Arab’ AKA “Average American” are the kind of ugly creatures +972mag attracts. Congratulations, +972mag. Congratulations +972mag!

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          • Gustav

            @Ginger

            Your list should have also included that arch Narcissist with his school boyish theatrics who calls himself [Yeah Right].

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          • Brian

            Oh my, and you’re just gorgeous, are you honey? A perfect lady! Hee hee hee. Talk about narcissism!

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          • Sluggo

            Brian, read your post… What sort of man uses those words? A girly man

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          • Brian

            What kind of creature does not distinguish obvious sarcasm and satire from homosexuality? Oh, I know! A troll!

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          • Sluggo

            It’s possible,to engage in sarcasm and satire without sounding like Peres Hilton.

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      • Brian

        Average American, there are problems with some on the right who cling to archaic aspects of Jewish law and nurture it in present times and draw from it in a primitive, supremacist, racist, cynical, power-grabbing way (not to mention those who let out not a peep against such fanatics but just go ‘tsk tsk’ and smile about our quaint primitives) but it is just dumb to phrase it in the terribly crude, categorical, stereotyping way that you do, calculated to provoke. It distorts things. There are plenty of Islamic primitives around too if you haven’t noticed. And there are plenty of Israelis who do not use religious law in an invidious way. Though the state does. This is part of the battle to bring about a true democracy of all its citizens. But by wielding this blunderbuss you only create more heat than light and give the other side the perfect opportunity to get their self-righteous peacock feathers on and parade about victimhood. They love it. They get to have a victimhood parade inside their own mind and strut it in public. It is the perfect distraction. And they love distraction. What you are doing gets us nowhere.

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        • Gustav

          You may as well talk to Hitler, Brian.

          Your problem on the other hand is delusion. Self delusion and deliberate self delusion. You think that the only “bad people” in this world are us right wing Jews. But you are only half right. Yes, we can be bad because some people sometimes only understand one language. The language of violence and intransigence in reaction to their violence and intransigence. The difference between you and us is that you deluded yourself into thinking that if only we would be nice, then everybody would be nice to us. But it isn’t as simple as that. Simply put, there always were, there are now and unfortunately there will always likely to be a minority of people who hate us Jews, simply because they see us as different than themselves. It is almost an immutable law of nature and there is nothing you can do about it!

          The world is full of perfectly ordinary decent people everywhere. Unfortunately it has many whackos too like Mikesailor, “Average American”, Marnie And [Yeah Right] who thrive on stirring hatred and who jerk off on seeing the negative reactions to their posts.

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          • Brian

            Now I’m afraid you’re wielding your own blunderbuss and drawing up you enemies list like Nixon. YR I’ve noticed is intelligent and discerning and remarkable patient and keeps things unerringly focused on relevant matters of law. Neither are Mikesailor and Marnie to be lumped into an eeeeevil Gang of Four.

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          • Gustav

            When I need advice on who to lump where, I will be sure to consult YOU. You know why? Because I like to get advice from delusional people.

            Nah, just kidding. Keep on putting your tiny head under the sand.

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          • You have yourself deluded by thinking the only way you can have security is by force. It’s never worked in the long run. Anyone who disagrees with you is an enemy. There’s no way for you to live in the world then, there will always be people who disagree with you. If you don’t care what anyone else thinks fine, but don’t turn around and label them being the problem because they don’t agree with you or think like you.

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    5. “Election time means heightened sensitivities. Taking such steps could easily cause a nationalist backlash against the U.S. that plays into the right. But getting Israelis to realize that harsh rhetoric are followed by actual policy could highlights what Israelis fear: that their country is becoming isolated, alienated and friendless.”

      Fear is being fueled by hatred and racism. The GoI has done a fabulous job keeping that alive. The belligerent, combative, confrontational style demonstrated here with the hateful invectives and straight out lies are the manifestation of the paralyzing, unreasonable fear and dread just underneath the surface. The machismo and bravado is also hiding a lot of fear and anxiety. How can one who is belligerent, combative, confrontational and violent in speech and demand to be seen as a victim? Then attempt to crush anyone who appears to be a threat and then demands love and sympathy? Zionism is making you sick.

      “Israel IS and will EVER BE! The day your ugly head raises itself up against her, it will be crushed”. You say nothing about the Most High, ever. You show Him no respect. Whatever happens here or anywhere else is His will, not yours, mine or anyone elses. He’s in charge and what He created he can easily destroy. It’s His world and creation after all.

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      • Ginger Eis

        “Merav
        Thursday
        December 11, 2014

        this fraud – “marnie” – claims to be Jewish by “CONVERSION”; this same canine supports running over Israelis with cars and buses!”

        There a lot of stuff to go over with you, but lets begin from there:

        a. Why are you lying about being a Jew?

        b. Why do you support running over Israelis with cars and buses?!

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        • nsttnocontentcomment

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    6. a. I have no way to prove it to you nor do I have to. You say you are female and Jewish. I assume that’s the truth.
      b. I don’t.

      Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and “consult the files and connect the dots”.

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      • Ginger Eis

        marnie
        Sunday
        December 7, 2014

        “(…). Our rabbi told us upon our CONVERSION that we were Jews, and anyone who questioned the validity or merit of our Jewishness was, in his words, “a mamzer” and that for anyone to even ask if we were Jews was tacky as hell. (…)”.

        (emphasis with capital letters mine)

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        • Ginger Eis

          “phil
          Thursday
          November 6, 2014
          The second attack clearly targeted occupation forces only..
          as such it is a legitimate act of resistance against an occupying military force.”

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          “manic marnie
          Thursday
          November 6, 2014
          “The second attack clearly targeted occupation forces only..
          as such it is a legitimate act of resistance against an occupying military force.”
          Thanks for taking the time to post this.”

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        • Don’t quit your day job.

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          • Ginger Eis

            So again, manic marnie,
            a. When did you convert to “Judaism”, by whom and in which country?
            b. How do you go from converting to “Judaism” to support the murder of Israelis with cars and buses (and I am not yet dealing with the alliance b/w you and Victor Arajs. We will get to that later), BDS against Jewish business, the demise of the Jewish State, etc. What exactly did you “converted” to?
            c. How are you a “convert” to Judaism and as claim to be a “Jew” even as you are not religious/observant?

            As I told you earlier, there are a lot of stuff to go over with you. The info on you is just daunting. We are just beginning.

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          • Ginger Eis

            So again, manic marnie,
            a. When did you convert to “Judaism”, by whom and in which country?
            b. How do you go from converting to “Judaism” to support the murder of Israelis with cars and buses (and I am not yet dealing with the alliance b/w you and Victor Arajs. We will get to that later), BDS against Jewish business, the demise of the Jewish State, etc. What exactly did you “converted” to?
            c. How are you a “convert” to Judaism and as claim to be a “Jew” even as you are not religious/observant (and I have evidence on this site to prove that you do not practice the Jewish religion, but rather the faith you always had).

            As I told you earlier, there are a lot of stuff to go over with you. The info on you is just daunting. We are just beginning.

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          • Barbara

            @ Ginger

            Compelling case you just made there. Interesting! I don’t think the lady is Jewish, but I will wait for her response. This is not looking good for her.

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          • Brian

            The quotation marks around Judaism, Jew and convert indicate a racist subtext Pure and simple. Only people with certain genes are “real” Jews, eh? No one is fooled, Eis.

            The language of torturers: “As I told you earlier, there are a lot of stuff to go over with you. The info on you is just daunting. We are just beginning.”

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          • Brian

            You are one sick puppy, Eis.

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          • They want to be the face of israel, then complain when people are repulsed at the site of it. They are the wrecking ball to this zionist experiment – the destruction will definitely come from within.

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          • Kiwi

            And you are sicker Brian.

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          • I picture you as an old maid or a bachelor, chained to the family home as caretaker of an elderly parent. With no life outside your keyboard. Your loneliness has made you angry, resentful and hopeless. You have a rich fantasy life because your actual life is too horrible to behold. You have never had friends so since childhood have created imaginary ones. You learned a long time ago to trust no one. Maybe you are a victim of incest or some other traumatic event or events. You play that out here as “Ginger”, “Merav”, and even possibly “Gustav” and “Sluggo” – that’s a nice, butch name. Your fear of other people is palpable. Even people who agree with you incur your wrath if they don’t agree with everything you posit. You’ve found an outlet for all of your hatred, anger, sexual frustration and confusion at this site and maybe others. You’ve become a tool for the right because it makes you feel powerful and you have been assured that there is no boundary you have to worry about crossing, because your job is to do nothing but obfuscate, detract, disrupt and distract. This is your job and this is your life. There’s not a speck of difference between you and Victor Arajs, probably because he’s another imaginary friend. I would wish you shabbat shalom, but peace on the sabbath is something you don’t want.

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          • Ginger Eis

            Manic marnie, our goal was to expose who you are: a Fraud claiming to be a Jew!

            A = I converted to Judaism; B = “Israel is a parasite state”; “the parasites in Jerusalem and Washington just count the money and laugh it off”; “I hate Zionism”; “I hate Zionists”; “’ve never expressed anything but hatred for zionists, be they jewish (american or israeli) or the horrible evangelical xtian Zionists” (99.9% of the Jewry); “Looks like nothing works with you israelis, nothing that doesn’t involve money, bombs, bullets or bulldozers”; ‘Palestinians have the right to run over Israelis with buses and cars’; ‘I support the boycott of Jewish business and Israeli companies, economic blockade of the Jewish State’, the destruction of the Jewish State and the formation of Israel one-state and, ‘I believe in the New Testament’, etc. (this is just a fraction of your record on this site; more will be provided as needed).

            A and B are mutual exclusives. A and B cannot exist together. A ≠ B; B ≠ A! That, manic marnie, is the subtle, but fatal contradiction in your psychotic claims. You did not notice that because you are not just psychotic and paranoid, but also a complete dunce!

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          • Actually Eis/Merav/”Barbara”/etc., I can do and believe whatever the fuck I want to. You don’t have to like it one bit. It can and obviously does drive you insane. Good. Mission accomplished.

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          • Ginger Eis

            Of course, manic marnie, you may “believe whatever the fuck” you “want to”. Who cares about the machinations of your manic and psychotic mind?

            One thing is for certain though: you are – contrary to your claim – a Fraud, NOT a “convert” to Judaism! THAT is now well established – as we have wanted to. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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          • Shavua tov eishole.

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    7. Brian

      Zionist professors, including renowned political theorist Michael Walzer, say U.S. and EU should restrict visas and freeze assets of Bennett and three others who entrench the occupation.

      By Debra Nussbaum Cohen | Dec. 11, 2014

      NEW YORK –A nascent group of well-known academics is calling on the U.S. government and European Union to impose personal sanctions on four prominent Israelis “who lead efforts to insure permanent Israeli occupation of the West Bank and to annex all or parts of it unilaterally in violation of international law.”
      Scholars for Israel and Palestine (SIP) a group that describes itself as “pro-Israel, pro-Palestine, pro-peace” is asking the U.S. and EU governments to impose visa restrictions and to freeze the foreign assets of Economy Minister and Habayit Hayehudi leader Naftali Bennett, Housing Minister Uri Ariel, Likud MK Moshe Feiglin and Ze’ev “Zambish” Hever, a former Jewish Underground member who heads the Amana organization, which oversees the settlement enterprise, including illegal outposts.

      “We chose four Israeli leaders and public figures to start with because they stand out by working to make the occupation permanent and irreversible,” said Gershon Shafir, a professor of sociology at University of California San Diego, who came up with the concept.

      These four “were particularly dismissive of Secretary of State Kerry’s peace-making efforts, and explicitly call for and work towards the formal annexation of the West Bank or part of it, and thereby push Israel in the direction of violating international law. They are the ones who cross particularly sharp red lines,” Shafir said in an interview initially conducted by email. The approach is being invoked for the first time in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict, he said later by telephone.

      The call’s 20 signatories include several well-known academics from UCLA to Boston College and Columbia University, including renowned political theorist Michael Walzer, professor emeritus of social science at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J. All the signatories to SIP’s call are Zionists, Walzer said in an interview, and are deeply opposed to academic boycotts.
      The signatories are all members of a group called The Third Narrative established in 2013 by the Labor Zionist group Ameinu as a Zionist-progressive response to far left attacks on Israel – including BDS. One who signed the new call for personal sanctions, Columbia University sociologist Todd Gitlin, published an article last month asserting that broad anti-Israel BDS is a “legal and moral disaster.”

      The new SIP call, which is titled “Israel: A Time for Personal Sanctions,” was also published on the Third Narrative website, though it was not endorsed by the group as a whole.
      Its backers say that it is completely distinct from the BDS resolutions being fought on campuses nationwide, which would effectively ostracize all Israeli academics. This, in contrast, targets some of the individuals most personally responsible for expanding the occupation. It is similar to the approach adopted by President Obama earlier this year when he signed an executive order freezing the assets of seven top Russian officials for their involvement in the annexation of Crimea, they claim.

      “All of us are very engaged in opposing the academic boycott and other boycotts,” said Walzer in an interview. He is author of numerous books, including “In God’s Shadow: Politics in the Hebrew Bible,” (Yale University Press) and last year retired as co-editor of Dissent magazine. “But at the same time we always insist we are against the occupation. This seemed to be a usefully dramatic way of focusing attention on where it should be focused and not where some of the BDS people are trying to put it,” Walzer said.

      Gitlin, a professor of journalism and sociology and longtime participant in protest movements, said that he signed on because “I felt it was time to move the conversation to a different plane.” He first supported a boycott of apartheid South Africa in 1965, he recalled in an interview with Haaretz.
      “The call to condemn right-wing governments is insufficient to get their attention,” he said. “We are holding Israeli figures whose declarations are inimical to a just and peaceful settlement to account,” Gitlin said. “They undermine American policy and security in the Middle East. We think it’s a matter of American policy to say we do not consider these people to be friends of America, but adversaries.” …

      The SIP’s call for personal sanctions very specifically opposes wide boycott efforts and its backers are not worried about being lumped together with the BDS proponents … It is “utterly different than anathematizing an entire category of persons like the academic boycott efforts,” Gitlin said. “In this case there is a proper target, people whose activity is toxic and we think they need to be named.”
      “This would provide a way of mobilizing votes against blanket boycotts but equally against the attempts to make the occupation irreversible,” Shafir said. “It would allow us to find a place in the middle and remain distinguished from but remain part of the ongoing dialogue in a productive way that is protective of Israel’s ties with the U.S., the world and liberal intellectuals.” …

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      • Oh my gosh this is truly a Hannukah miracle! I think the remark by Bennett “the little thing called the rest of the world” has just bit him dead in his fat ass! Money has fed this beast and lack of money will destroy it –

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        • Merav

          …. .. this fraud marnie now speaking like a “Jewish convert” …. hilarious! ….. seems like these two canines are at it again: sniffing and smelling each others a****s and getting frenzied ….

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          • Barbara

            Let me get this straight:

            Israel is “this beast”

            “Money has fed this beast”

            “Lack of money will destroy it”

            Oh dear…. I think I know more than I need to know about this lady. Her claim that she ‘converted to Judaism’ madness. Thank you Merav, Ginger and others for your efforts. Interesting!

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          • nsttnocontentcomment

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          • Ginger Eis

            @ Barbara, Merav

            That fraudulent “convert” also said stuff like (even as she claims/suggests to be Israeli):

            “(…). Looks like nothing works with you israelis, nothing that doesn’t involve money, bombs, bullets or bulldozers”.

            Living other problems that arise from this statement, note the usage of the word “YOU Israelis” (emphasis mine) in that sentence – as in ‘you Americans’, ‘you Germans’, ‘you etc’.

            Indee, you can’t fool the people all of the time and this psychotic individual is just becoming aware of that.

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          • When the emphasis is yours and in the original, you’ve changed everything and completely fucked your argument. Well, at least you’re getting some action. As often as you change the emphasis in other people’s narratives EIS, you are actually quite a nympho.

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          • Ginger Eis

            “(…). Looks like nothing works with you israelis, nothing that doesn’t involve money, bombs, bullets or bulldozers”.

            “You Israelis”!

            Priceless – and that is leaving aside the anti-Semitic aspect of that disgusting statement from a fraud who claims to have “converted” to “Judaism” and is pretending/suggesting that ‘she’ is an Israeli!

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          • Barbara

            “you Israelis”

            I guess that is the proverbial ‘slip-of-the-tongue’ that nets the liar! The evidence is conclusive.

            Thank you again, Ginger and others.

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          • So what.

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          • Merav

            busted!!! sick-o, busted !!! you are not Israeli as you claimed //… you are a FRAUD //.. busted !!!

            @ Ginger

            good job, Gingi.

            Wieuf!

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          • It must be hard following in the footsteps of Vanilla, always in her shadow, never a star in your own right. What a tool.

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    8. Brian

      To clarify for those with reading comprehension vulnerabilities and sinister innuendo proneness (affects 93.5% of the local troll population according to the latest review) “beast” in this context refers to MK and Finance Minister and Defense Ministry hankerer Naftali Bennet. AH shrieked German about Hebrew before his assembled legislature. NB shrieks Hebrew about German before his legislature. Both marvelously manipulative. I know, it’s confusing. But Martin Walzer figured it out. Maybe there’s hope for you.

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      • Brian

        Economy not Finance.
        And Michael not Martin
        I and my auto-correct must have been unconsciously thinking also of Martin Luther King, Jr. I have NO idea why. The mysteries of the unconscious.

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        • Merav

          …. tell me about that, brien; things get kind of get stupid and “confusing” when you split hairs and try to whitewash and rationalize and lie……you and your canine friend two sick individuals are as confused as hell…brien

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        • Merav

          …. ..are you on something again, brian? mama mia! this douche is now hallucinating and hearing voices ….. ….LOL.….. big confusion in the asylum…..

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      • Merav

        “…..I know, it’s confusing……”

        ….yeah…. tell me about that; things get kind of “confusing” when you split hairs and try to whitewash and rationalize and lie……YOU are as confused as hell…brien

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    9. Sluggo

      The only maniac on the entire planet who would be excused for throwing acid on four innocent little girls,and then attempt to stab them with a screwdriver is Palestinian. It seems like these are the only criminals who are never held accountable for their acts. Even mentally retarded adults who commit crimes get called out once in a while. Even while neutralized this serial violent criminal was shot in the lower extremities to save his worthless life.

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      • What you should ask yourself is why its apparently acceptable that 2200 Palestinians (500 children) were blown to bits in Gaza July/August. Why its acceptable that on average one Palestinian is killed every 3 days in Israel? Why is it acceptable that the brutality regularly visited upon the Palestinian people is acceptable? The problem with so many Israeli’s isn’t what is happening now, but what happened 70 years ago. The trauma of the holocaust and the disgusting ensuing “holocaust industry” has created a fearful, traumatized, paranoid, PTSD-like society that has stolen land from a people who had absolutely nothing to do with the crimes that took place throughout Europe perpetrated by Europeans.

        As far as your remark – “Even while neutralized this serial violent criminal was shot in the lower extremities to save his worthless life”. Gee “Sluggo”, did you want them to shoot him directly in the heart (not like that hasn’t been done hundreds of times before – guess it never gets old for some folks)? They actually did something right, they chose not to execute this man on the spot. Miracles do happen? You claim israel is so much better than other countries, and then when they actually do what is lawful, something that other civilized countries do, you bitch and moan about it and get your knickers in a twist? That’s nuts. He was stopped. That’s what a normal society is supposed to do. Thankfully the physical damage wasn’t serious, although the psychological damage will take much much longer to heal, if it does. No, this guy is not a terrorist as in the manner of the bomber of Sbarro’s or the Dolphinarium. Nor a terrorist like Baruch Goldstein (who actually has been given a place of honor for admirers, fans and wannabees for their idol worship). He didn’t suffer an extrajudicial execution, and you complain.

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        • Ginger Eis

          1. manic marnie: A: “The problem with so many Israeli’s isn’t what is happening now, but what happened 70 years ago. The trauma of the holocaust and the disgusting ensuing “holocaust industry” has created a fearful, traumatized, paranoid, PTSD-like society that has stolen land from a people who had absolutely nothing to do with the crimes that took place throughout Europe perpetrated by Europeans”.

          2. manic marnie: B: I have “converted” to “Judaism”.

          3. manic marnie, you are a Fraud! A and B are mutual exclusives. B is who you really are: an anti-Semite! Though there are anti-Semites who were born Jewish (Norman Finkelstein), non-Jewish born anti-Semites don’t covert to Judaism! An imbecile like your psychotic self wont know that. Beyond that, a “covert” to Judaism does not believe that any part of the Land Of Israel is stolen land by Jews! (Etc. but we will get to all etc.s later).

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          • Ginger Eis

            Correction:

            2. “A is who you are” (was meant, not B)

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          • Ginger Eis

            Correction:

            ‘A is who you are’ (was meant, not “B is who you are”)

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          • Thanks again Sluggo.

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          • Sluggo

            You’re welcome! Feel free to send me a Mensch on a Bench.

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          • If only I’d been born a Jew, like Norman Finkelstein! I didn’t get the memo that upon conversion that I would be bound by some magical spell to unflinchingly support zionism and all of the ugly shit that goes along with it, or support the state of Israel no matter what wrong it commits. You know why? Because I don’t, Eishole, that’s why.

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          • I’m an antisemite? Who isn’t?

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          • Ginger Eis

            1. This is NOT about Zionism, imbecile! It is about Judaism you claim to have converted to! You can’t convert to Judaism OUTSIDE the known dominations of Judaism. The Land Of Israel is an integral part of Judaism! ALL denominations of Judaism recognize that (even Christianity does)! The branches of Judaism that opposes Zionism (the Satmar Hasidim, Neturei Karta) do so on THEOLOGICAL ground (they believe that the time has not come for the Children of Zion to return to the Land Of Israel!), but NONE in the opposition believes that the Land Of Israel is “stolen land” by Jews from Arabs – as YOU believe! (a) What you believe: “the land of Israel is stolen Arab land”, and (b) what lies at the heart of Judaism: “The Land Of Israel” are MUTUAL EXCLUSIVES. You thus could not have “converted” to Judaism (by the proper authorities!). But because you are a dunce, you failed to realize that subtle contradiction and thought that you can lie as much as you want!

            2. You also believe in the New Testament and use it in your crusade against the Jewish State (you have not denied that – yet!). Now, (a) believe in the New Testament (and there is nothing wrong with that) and (b) “conversion” to Judaism are MUTUAL EXCLUSIVES. But because you are a dunce, you failed to realize that subtle contradiction.

            3. What you said and say about Jews and Israel are classic examples of anti-Semitism (and folks can oppose Israel without being anti-Semitic, not a problem at all!). Now, why would YOU (an anti-Semite) convert to Judaism from Christianity? Did you suddenly discover that Jesus Christ is NOT the Messiah (and I am not saying that he is or that he is not; I just want to know why you abandoned Christianity, “converted” to Judaism only to fight 99.9% of the Jewry)? What are we missing here? Are you really that deranged and psychotic?

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        • Sluggo

          Marnie, I think that the brave civilian who neutralized the terrorist did the right thing by not killing him. On that, we agree

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    10. Lo

      So in a post with some pretty interesting poll data about day-to-day Israeli feelings, we’ve had dozens of posts attacking one poster’s Jewishness or lack thereof and little else.

      Whatever. The trends shown in the polls are not aberrations.

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      • Brian

        Good observation. The stats on the nation state law are stunning. And what it says both about Bibi and about the public’s passive compliance with Bibi.

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    11. Ginger Eis

      These are these the kind of people any sane person is supposed to ride in the same bus with? Lo, lets hear some lofty ideas grounded on moral philosophy and law re “segregation”, the right to life and other human rights that flow from the right to life.

      “Seven people, including a family of five with young children, were lightly wounded in the West Bank Friday afternoon when a Palestinian man hurled acid into their car, before being shot and seriously wounded. The attack occurred near a checkpoint between the Gush Etzion settlement of Beitar Illit, where the family is from, and the Palestinian village of Husan, southwest of Jerusalem. (…)”.

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-attacks-family-with-acid-in-gush-etzion-wounds-four/

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      • Brian

        “These are these the kind of people”

        Says it all. (and I don’t mean your lack of grammar)

        It was already thoroughly covered elsewhere on this site why the security experts (as opposed to the palavering politicians) have determined that these screened and searched workers are not a relevant security issue. Gotta get up to speed Eis, your falling behind here.

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        • Merav

          //… seems to me this terrorist just proved “the security experts” wrong ….. //. not sure anyone is waiting to encounter “these kind of people” with acid in the bus, pay with her/his life before “security experts” change their mind. //. an’ if “security experts” change their mind, people like you brien will still complain and cry “segregation”…..hmmm, Israel can never win. we are used to that.

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          • Brian

            There there, Meravie, don’t fret, Moshe Ya’alon says everything’s going to be alright.

            http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.631477

            Try to buck up. I agree with the comment # 1 by Spade though.

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          • Gustav

            100 years of war …

            We are not beyond criticism but the amount and the extent of criticism which we receive considering the 100 years of savage war into which the Saint Palestinians have forced us to fight is unwarranted.

            Not only unwarranted, but some of the professional critics are professional haters as well. Any other people in our place would not be better than us. Worse, maybe but better not! Jus look at other conflicts going on anywhere else in the world now or in the recent past and show me anyone who behaves or behaved better than us. Just look at even how the great western democracies behaved in WW2 and we don’t look bad at all …

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          • Brian

            We’ve been over this. The Americans, British and French did not refuse to ever leave occupied Germany and did not set up nifty American settlements in Schleswig Holstein…. (The Soviets are a different story–they had to be forced out–but who’s emulating them?) As for the present, no one is “forcing” you to occupy your neighbors against international law and illegally transfer your population into illegally occupied territory. As for your history of the “100 years of war,” my advice, I would not quit your day job.

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          • Gustav

            We may have been over this but you never listen Brian. You always take the position of

            “I don’t care what color it is as long as it is black”

            TRANSLATION:

            “I am open minded about who is bad, as long as I can say that Israel is always the worst”

            That’s what people like you are like, Brian dear…

            Now here is reality check. What was done to the Germans after WW2 was not just decided by the Soviets. It was decided by the allies, including the Western allies at the Yalta conference. And here is a summary of what they ALL decided …

            “Key points of the meeting are as follows:

            Agreement to the priority of the unconditional surrender of Nazi Germany. After the war, Germany and Berlin would be split into four occupied zones.
            Stalin agreed that France would have a fourth occupation zone in Germany, but it would have to be formed out of the American and British zones.
            Germany would undergo demilitarization and denazification.
            German reparations were partly to be in the form of forced labour. (see also Forced labor of Germans after World War II and Forced labour of Germans in the Soviet Union). The forced labour was to be used to repair damage that Germany inflicted on its victims.[5]
            Creation of a reparation council which would be located in the Soviet Union.
            The status of Poland was discussed. It was agreed to reorganize the communist Provisional Government of the Republic of Poland that had been installed by the Soviet Union “on a broader democratic basis.”[citation needed]
            The Polish eastern border would follow the Curzon Line, and Poland would receive territorial compensation in the West from Germany.
            Stalin pledged to permit free elections in Poland, but forestalled ever honoring his promise.
            Citizens of the Soviet Union and of Yugoslavia were to be handed over to their respective countries, regardless of their consent.
            Roosevelt obtained a commitment by Stalin to participate in the U.N.
            Stalin requested that all of the 16 Soviet Socialist Republics would be granted U.N. membership. This was taken into consideration, but 14 republics were denied; Roosevelt agreed to membership for Ukraine and Byelorussia while reserving the right, which was never exercised, to seek two more votes for the United States.[6]
            Stalin agreed to enter the fight against the Empire of Japan “in two or three months after Germany has surrendered and the war in Europe is terminated,” and that as a result, the Soviets would take possession of Southern Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, the port of Darien would be internationalized, and the Soviet lease of Port Arthur would be restored, among other concessions.[7]
            Nazi war criminals were to be hunted down and brought to justice.
            A “Committee on Dismemberment of Germany” was to be set up. Its purpose was to decide whether Germany was to be divided into six nations. Some examples of partition plans are shown below:”

            It was draconian indeed. But as it turned out. Because of the cold war, not because of altruism, the western democracies subsequently reneged on some of those decisions because they needed the Germans as a bulwark against the Soviets. Even so, as I said, the Germans lost lands and millions of German refugees were created jointly by the allies because of what they ALL decided at Yalta.

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          • Brian

            Really obnoxious the Likud Central Committee holding its meeting in Ariel. Even the Tsentralniy Komitet Kommunistitcheskoi Partii Sovyetskovo Soyuza did not hold its meetings in East Berlin.

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          • Gustav

            When in doubt, duck weave and deflect.

            Notice how Brian suddenly dropped his attack on my analogy of how the allies behaved during and after WW2.

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    12. Before serial killer/cannabilizer Jeffrey Dahmer was locked up for life, he said in his defense “Look. I know I did some bad stuff. Yeah, it was bad. I couldn’t help it of course and it wasn’t really my fault. Oh right, yeah I was bad. But not as bad as others! Shit, I didn’t kill nearly as many people as Ted Bundy! I’m an absolute choirboy compared to that sick bastard! Right? Aren’t I? Cut me some slack! Dad? Mom…….anybody?” Mr. Dahmer was indeed cut quite a bit of slack in prison where he was serving 15 consecutive life terms.

      It doesn’t make you look good to point to other bad people, governments, militaries, etc., and claim you aren’t as bad as that. It makes you look as bad as that. For real.

      Back to the issue of the article? Anybody?

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      • Ginger Eis

        You are deaf and dumb, imbecile! Of course two wrong don’t make a right. But what is confounding are: (a) your compulsive obsession with Jews and Israel and the “wrongs” allegedly done by them, (b) the fact that you and your ugly ilk turn a blind eye to real wrongs done elsewhere that are costing the lives of millions of people, (c) the fact that you, a virulent anti-Semite claims to have “converted” to Judaism as fig leaf to cover your anti-Semitic rants, (d) the fact that you suddenly pretend to be an Israeli, even as you are not and support running over Israelis with cars and buses, etc. You are a Fraud, and the length you go to use fraudulent means to demonize the Jewish State and the Jewish people, while claiming to be a “convert” to “Judaism”, shows the severity your mental derangement. You are incurably psychotic!

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        • Thanks Sluggo.

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          • Ginger Eis

            Indeed, you, manic marnie, are not just manic and psychotic, but increasing paranoid, perceiving and seeing stuff that does not exist and fearful.

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        • Brian

          Got your Jewish Gestapo cap on again Eis? That’s nice. It fits well. Very sporty on you.

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          • Sluggo

            Brian, perhaps I speak for others too, but the nazi references do your argument no benefit. If you were serious about dialogue you would drop them.

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          • Brian

            Well you don’t speak for me. Ordinarily I am firmly of the mind that any Nazi references whatsoever are not ever helpful, are usually hurtful, create more head than light, etc. You’ll notice no one else here ever gets referred to that way by me, even you, Slug (her eager “lapdog,” Gustav’s favorite term). Ever. (I’ve called Tomer a fascist but not a Nazi.) But she’s earned it with her outrageous, obnoxious Jew-hunting: reverse whose-the-Jew? interrogations replete with “we’re just getting started with you” nastiness. Is she kidding me? And then the constant insinuations that every non-rightist here has an unuuuuusual interest in the Jews. Which is why I ask her how come she is not out defending oppression elsewhere herself–what’s HER problem? Who the hell does she think she is? I’m calling her on it. She’s the biggest troll on this site. Show us an argument not a snide insinuation for once. You all have gotten used to this level of wild obnoxiousness and sheer effrontery–THIS person calls others “psychotic” with a straight face??–and that reminds me, there is the constant use of terms for the seriously mentally ill thrown around at people–it disrespects the mentally ill–the Nazis were good at that–and the non-mentally ill. It’s vicious. And the whole package of course comes with Naftali Bennet and Feiglin worship. You don’t like Nazi references and I agree they’re ugly but you’ve actually got a Deputy Knesset Speaker who is on record as full of admiration for what Herr Hitler did for Germany and its youth. I’m not making this up.

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          • Brian

            And as you for you, Slug, you have a long ways to go in cleaning up YOUR act before you lecture others on being serious about dialogue. I think you know what I mean. Unbelievable.

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          • Merav

            Brian is a stalker

            brian you are an obsessive stalker and the more Ginger ignores you the wilder and crazier you get; the response from Ginger to others is amazing and mind-blowing (see up-thread how she demolished your canine friend marnie); so I can see why you can’t resist Ginger but honestly I don’t see why she should dignify your sick messages to her with any response; i also don’t see anything anyone could ever learn from your sick messages to Gingi….. but of course, stalkers always rationalize and always have a reason for stalking (oh I was just in the neighborhood, oh “It’s not about her or me. It’s about showing others that she has no credible response”, yada yada yada. every day you invent a new reason to rationalize your stalking); but then, brien, you have asked others to ignore Gingi and promised them that you will do the same; on Zonszeins’ thread you said that Gingi “forfeits the right to be listened to in a public forum”; so why are you still pursuing her around like you have a crush on her, you little stalker?

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          • Brian

            Blah blah blah. This will go way over your head, ‘Merav’, but I reserve the right to ridicule the ridiculous. This is a very healthy public mechanism. Present in all healthy and life loving as opposed to totalitarian societies.

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          • Merav – the ever faithful lap dog and always #2. Snarling, yapping ankle biter.

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      • Gustav

        I think Marnie just called the Western allies the equivalent of Ted Bundy.

        So let’s see, where do the Arabs belong in that hierarchy? Look at Syria, Iraq, Lybia, ISIS, Al Quaida, Hamas, the Lebanese civil war and more …

        What about the Russians? Gulags, Ukraine, the cold war, Afghanistan, Cheslovakia, Hungary etc …

        Oh and there are many others too numerous to mention …

        Yet Marnie and co fret about us. Non stop, it is their full time occupation, although we are just amateurs even compared to Hamas and Islamic Jihad let alone other Arab states who never stop playing soldiers. And who play for keeps, no quarters given to their enemies but they ask for plenty of quarter from us in return for the terrorism which they have been dishing out to us for 100 years.

        So no, Marnie, we are not angels and we don’t even want to be angels because if we would be, we would be dead. And as I said, nobody else in our shoes would be better. Worse, maybe. But better? Never!

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    13. Brian

      The Likud should be renamed The National Jewish Socialist Israeli Freeloading-Non-Workers Settler Party:

      From Haaretz (Yair Ettinger and Jonathan Lis, Dec. 10, 2014 ):

      But the party’s anger wasn’t aimed exclusively at Netanyahu; its various camps were no less bitter at each other. Particularly evident was the loathing among veteran Likud members for Feiglin’s supporters, the relative newcomers, who were out in force. The Feiglin camp was noticeably younger, more religious and more Ashkenazi than the veterans.

      “You’ve stolen the party,” one central committee member spat at a Feiglin supporter.

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      • Gustav

        Poor Brian is now getting hysterical with his “National Socialist” accusations. He just can’t handle losing every argument that he gets himself into.

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    14. Margo

      After being comprehensively sledged by Sluggo & Ginger last week, I decided not to take part in these cockfights again. But I do want to warn that Israel is in great danger of losing international legitimacy & support because of its creeping annexation of Palestinian territory. The world is not stuck in its history, & sane countries are moving away from encouraging colonialist behaviours. This statement is NOT anti-Semitic. It is NOT jihadist. There is nothing in it to engage your vitriol – I hope. It is just plain fact. Once more, Shalom.

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      • Sluggo

        This is just your opinion. And one that is not supported by fact. Last week saw a huge diplomatic gain with the US and India and a commercial win with the UK. I

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    15. Margot Dunne

      After being sledged by Ginger & Sluggo last week I decided not to enter this pit of fighting cocks again. But I want to warn all those who shriek “anti-Semitism” & “jihad” at every reasonable as well as unreasonable criticism that Israel is in danger of losing major international support unless it ceases the creeping annexation of Palestinian territories. This is NOT anti-Semitism. This is NOT jihad. It is plain fact. If you guys want to spray vitriol then spray – it won’t alter this: sane countries are moving towards recognition of Palestine,slowly but surely. Once more, Shalom.

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      • Kiwi

        Give it a rest Margaret. Stop exaggerating the importance of people such as yourself.

        The Jewish people have lots of friends too. Not just enemies.

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      • Sluggo

        Poor victim. You came on here talking about Israel supporter are brainwashed at Jewish schools and that the diaspora is a blind mob that you and your friends mock. So you got called out on your prejudice.

        And cockfight? Lol. Sexual repression

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      • Brian

        http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.631808

        U.S. in distress over Israel’s confrontational policies
        Washington has made it clear that rhetorical juggling and slogans are no longer enough to save Israel from the Palestinian initiative.

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      • Brian

        http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.631096

        Israel’s two-faced government
        It is hard to grasp why the United States continues to placate Netanyahu, the prime minister who has done everything he could to sabotage relations with it.

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    16. Margot Dunne.

      Amendment to the above: Wipe out the phrase “sane countries” & substitute the phrase “many European countries”. I am trying to be bland. I don’t want to incite a diatribe.

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      • Ginger Eis

        “cockfight”? Oy, WTF is that?! How much more retarded could +972mag students get?

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      • Sluggo

        Oh, and in your own country, while you are so worried about Jews and Israel, Islamic State has taken hostages and the Sydney Opera House had to be evacuated. All while you fools/useful idiots focus on Israel. Incredible.

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      • Brian

        Margaret, in response to your sensitive, intelligent, polite—in short, civilized—statement complete with built in olive branch, you now see-eth the receptive, refined manners and civilized ways of the sons and daughters of Zion in this neck of the woods. It is admirable is it not? No coarseness at all! Does a Jew damn proud. So refined. So educated. So cultured. So free of weird adolescent (homo)sexual preoccupations. So free of low class elocutions such as “WTF!” (I only caution you Margaret that in my time in Israel I have met and befriended (g-d almighty what was I thinking??!!) Jewish human beings very, very different than these exemplars falling over themselves to display their manners. They do exist.)

        Now Margaret, here are the heinous, filthy words of that arch-terrorist, the greatest terrorist of them all, Abu Mazen:

        “Palestine now for me is the ’67 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital. This is now and forever … This is Palestine for me. I am [a] refugee, but I am living in Ramallah… I believe that [the] West Bank and Gaza is Palestine and the other parts (are) Israel… It’s my right to see it [Safed, his birthplace, in what since 1948 has been northern Israel] but not to live there.”

        Why, Margaret, you know that sonofabitch is lyin’, why it’s no different than Islamic State, why I even betcha that filthy terrorist keeps female slaves in his backyard and WTF! has an Islamic State flag tacked up inside a his garage! Would you believe that this man has gone as far as asking for negotiations based on the ‘67 lines? The outrage! WTF! Why I bet you he even doesn’t like to sing Hatikhva and I heard tell he is not even a Zionist! WTF! Why he even had the nerve to accept a dinner invitation to sup with that arch-lefty self-hating sexually repressed Ehud Olmert! WTF!

        Well, I need say no more, Margaret. G-d bless.

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        • Sluggo

          Calm down Tinkerbell

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          • Brian

            “Tinkerbell”? Oy, WTF is that?! How much more retarded could +972mag students get?

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          • Merav

            Ginger has too much power over brian and makes brian go bonkers …. I don’t know how she manages to do that ///… everywhere Gingi is, there you will find brian devouring everything she says like a starving canine….#….she treats brian as if brian does not exist and that is sending brian off the rails crashin’….. he cant handle it # I tell you guys, brien is going to get worse before he gets better……

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        • Margot Dunne

          Thank you very much Brian, really appreciated!

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          • Gustav

            Margot

            Just for once in your life please take a moment to listen to an alternate point of view and listen to what this passionate journalist, Caroline Glick says about your much vaunted Europeans and their “standards” about the Middle East. HINT: She does not describe their attitude as double standard…

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AYojm0TRGPg

            … and try to apply an open mind regarding what she says!

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          • Brian

            Oh my god Caroline Glick. Why’d you go and bring the crazy aunt out of the attic to show Margaret? Margaret, on the JPost it’s been shown that 77.9% of “talkbackers” respond to every terribly overlong screed with these exact words: “Once again, spot on Caroline! Spot on! My thoughts exactly! It’s amazing!”

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          • Brian

            I mean Margot! Margot! My phone cuts off your name at “Marg” Margot!

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          • Gustav

            Brian criticizing Caroline Glick after all the idiots he quotes. Oh the irony …

            But back to Margot, pay attention to what Caroline says in the video and for once in your life listen to an alternate point of view not just the boring propaganda which sustains people like you.

            Pay attention to what she actually says and think for yourself. Don’t be misled by people like Brian who want to kill the messenger so that her message should not be heard.

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          • Brian

            Gustav misinterprets my sarcasm, Margot. By all means go meet Aunt Caroline.

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          • Gustav

            Margot

            I remember reading one of your posts a long time ago in which you said that you are an Australian. So mull on this too…

            What happened in Sydney was one terrorist act. ONE, one only!!! We have had to put up with thousands of such attacks by organized lunatics.

            That thought SHOULD help you take what Caroline says more seriously. But will it? I give it at best a fifty fifty chance if you too are one of the brainwashed like our “friend” Brian …

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          • Brian

            You left out the occupation part. I’m sure you just forgot. And the part about how Abu Mazen protects you but Bibi treats him like sh**. And a few other parts but whose got time?

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          • Gustav

            Abu Mazen protects us? You are a clown, Brian, he can’t even protect himself from Hamas. That’s why he teamed up with them again.

            And that’s why the occupation continues too because even if he would want to (which he does mot) he cannot make peace with Israel. If he would try, he would be dead meat the next day, thanks to Hamas.

            So you can keep on barking all day long about your hero, Abbas, but at best he is an ineffectual little puppet of Hamas. A worst, he is just a sneaky version of them.

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          • Gustav

            Oh and Brian …

            I know your explanation is the “occupation” about why Israel has been on the receiving end of thousands of acts of terrorism, even before there WAS “occupation” …

            But what is your excuse for what was done in Sydney? Are the Aussies occupying Arab lands too????!!!!

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          • Brian

            Thanks for the dishonesty. I don’t make excuses for ISIS. Kill those guys. They’re barbarians. Barack Obama agrees.

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          • Gustav

            Your ignorance shows, Brian. The guy was a lone wolf Iranian. A nut job no less.

            But here is my hypothesis. There are a lot of decent law abiding Muslims. But, at their current stage of history, Islamic culture fosters victimhood and a blame game which brings out a lot of these crazies from the woodworks.

            In our case more so because they have been fed a false narrative that ALL of Palestine is theirs. Hence the thousands of attacks against us but relatively fewer attacks against Western countries. But in both cases, the crazies are predisposed to do murder and mayhem. And western countries are not immune either as history shows. No matter how much you try and explain it away, Brian dear…

            Oh, and you still did not answer my point about how come your Arabs perpetrated terror against us even prior to 1967. What was their excuse then? After all, before 1967 we did not “occupy” the West Bank. Unless of course you agree with them that Israel itself is occupied territory? Because that is exactly what the Arabs openly declared prior to1967!!!!!

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          • Brian

            Oh now he’s a lone wolf mental case but it still goes ta show ya bout dem Palestinians! So called! Cuz Jerusalem ain’t mentioned in that Koran too much! Whereas we got the bible deeding it all to is! It’s all ours! All ours! Glad we are not nut jobs! Whee!

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          • Gustav

            Just ignore my post and argue with yourself, Brian. How Brianish of you …

            Oh, and you still did not answer my point about how come your Arabs perpetrated terror against us even prior to 1967. What was their excuse then? After all, before 1967 we did not “occupy” the West Bank. Unless of course you agree with them that Israel itself is occupied territory? Because that is exactly what the Arabs openly declared prior to1967!!!!!

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          • Brian

            A good number of them probably still think Israel behind the ’67 lines is occupied and a good number of you still think Ramallah is occupied and a good number of white Southerners still think the American South is still occupied. The POINT is that it doesn’t matter–practical arrangements by non-nutjob statesmen matter. Speaking of which, Abu Mazen….he has evolved. Bibi and Caroline and you haven’t. That’s the truth! And you can’t handle it. Abu Mazen has evolved. Bibi has not. Bibi hates that. He HATES it.

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          • Gustav

            Ok then, Brian, if Abu Mazen/Abbas evolved, what did I miss?

            When did he say he is willing to recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people?

            And if he didn’t say it, and you know that he did not, then what has changed? One hundred years ago they were against the Jewish state and they still are!

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          • Brian

            Thank you for trotting out that old horse that won’t run again. That’s never been convincing. In fact the suddenly arising new “condition of Bibi’s epitomizes the duplicity and disingenuousness for which he is famous. And confirms the confident estimation of his own father that Bibi would NEVER extend the Palestinians an offer he knew they could possibly accept.

            Amos Schocken on its unconvincingness in the present evolved day and age:

            —-
            …Indeed, the struggle was against the establishment of a Jewish state. It is beyond the scope of this article to ask if it was justified for the Jews to push aside Arab workers – for example, with “Hebrew labor,” or by the General Federation of Hebrew Laborers in the Land of Israel, and in countless other ways. It is beyond our scope to ask if there was a connection between this pushing aside and the Arabs’ refusal to agree to a Jewish state.

            But Israel, which the Palestinians refused to recognize upon its founding and for many years afterward, is the country they are prepared to recognize today through a peace agreement, minus the settlements and the occupied territories.

            Egypt and Jordan went to war with Israel in 1948 because, like the Palestinians, they rejected the establishment of Israel. They weren’t required to recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, and their recognition of Israel through peace treaties made up for their previous stance. It’s the same thing with the Palestinians.

            The prime minister added that “we have been here continuously for nearly 4,000 years – 3,800 years. This is the land where our identity was forged. This is our homeland. Here is our country that was reborn. And the Palestinians must accept this.”

            The birthplace of Isaac is also the birthplace of Ishmael; in any case, doesn’t Palestinian recognition of Israel mean coming to terms with “this”? Or could it be that the Palestinians are being asked by a historian’s son to erase their history and swear allegiance to Israel on the Bible? Is there anything that epitomizes the connection between the Jews and their land better than the revival of the Jewish people in their land? Is there anyone who does not understand this?

            According to Netanyahu, if the Palestinians don’t recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, the Palestinian state that arises through a peace treaty “will continue to subvert the foundation for the existence of the Jewish state … try to flood us with refugees … [and] advance irredentist claims from within the State of Israel’s territory – territorial claims, national claims.”

            But Netanyahu isn’t convincing. If a Palestinian state recognizes Israel and signs a peace treaty without recognizing Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, will it be able to do all these bad things? And if it recognizes it as the nation-state of the Jewish people, it won’t? Usually, when countries make a peace deal, the “subverting” stops. And if this subverting is inevitable, a piece of paper recognizing a nation-state won’t prevent it.

            There are hints that in a comprehensive framework deal, there will be an agreement on the refugee issue. But it won’t be achieved by the ploy of recognizing the nation-state of the Jews. It will be achieved through negotiations.

            Yes, there have been irredentist claims – by the prime minister regarding the settlements. He’s interested in Jewish irredentism in the Palestinian state. On the other hand, Arab Israelis can make national claims without anything to do with the question of the Palestinians recognizing Israel in general or as the Jewish national home. Ironically, Israel defining itself as the nation-state of the Jewish people could justify national or irredentist claims by Israel’s Palestinian citizens.

            Netanyahu forgot that he’s also prime minister of Arab Israelis – a fifth of all Israeli citizens. They’re not happy with defining the state as Jewish and democratic, but this definition includes a key component regarding their connection to the state. Defining Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people would disconnect them from Israel at a time when we need to strengthen their connection to it.

            Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas certainly can’t write them off by agreeing to the definition that Netanyahu demands. His responsibility toward them is no less than that of Israel to world Jewry.

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          • Gustav

            BRIAN:”Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas certainly can’t write them off by agreeing to the definition that Netanyahu demands”

            It wasn’t just Netanyahu’s definition.

            UN General Assembly Resolution 181 spoke of a JEWISH state and an Arab state. Which bit of JEWISH STATE don’t you understand Brian?

            We Jews lived as minorities amongst many nations, including Arab nations, for centuries and we never demanded that they should stop calling themselves as Arab nations. So why is it so offensive for Arabs to live as minorities in a Jewish state??!!!

            But the Arabs have fought countless numbers of wars with us because we insist, in line with the UN resolution, that we are a Jewish state. And the Brians of this world claim that it is ok for them to continue to resist that idea. I guess, they are the type of people who at the end of WW2, would have accepted the rejection of the German people of de-Nazification. But thank goodness the Brians of this world were not the ones who set the agenda then. So Germany was required to renounce Nazism, emphatically, at the end of WW2.

            In the same way, we now insist that the Palestinian Arabs have to renounce their ideology against the Jewish state before we agree to give up ANYTHING. ANYTHING, WHATSOEVER!!! And if the Brians of this world don’t like it, then they can lump it!

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          • Gustav

            Oh … and the other thing which I find most interesting and even curious is …

            … that Brian and his ilk are always most concerned about the sensibilities of the Arab peoples of this world. Nah … according to them, the “poor Arabs” could not possibly put up with being minorities in a Jewish state. So let’s not worry about what most of the Jewish people want. Let’s not worry about having ONE, only ONE Jewish state in this world. But it is OK to have 22 Arab Muslim states in this world.

            Then they wonder why we studiously ignore or resist their strident demands.

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          • Brian

            The same hackneyed, belabored arguments over and over. Show me one “Arab Muslim state” that is demanding, in 2014, in return for withdrawing from Israeli territory that they illegally occupy, that the Jews recognize them as The Nation State of the Arab people.

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          • Gustav

            Wow get real Brian …

            Show me when we ever attacked an Arab state because we rejected that they should be an Arab state?

            While you are at it, you might also show me where we are asking an Arab state from withdrawing from our territory?

            Again, our offer is this …

            Want us to give you lands? Please signal that the war between us is over. How do the Palestinian Arabs do that? By recognizing Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people? Why do they HAVE to do it? Because in the past, they made war on us because they rejected the idea of a Jewish state!

            Simple, isn’t it Brian? Land for peace! Something concrete in exchange for a pledge. But your Arabs can’t even bring themselves to offer a pledge in exchange for something concrete, like lands. And you agree with THEM, not us. So why should we listen to the likes of you?! Give us just one good reason … just ONE!

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          • Gustav

            One more thing …

            If I would demand lands from Arabs and they would offer me lands in exchange for recognition of THEM as an Arab Muslim state …

            I would offer them such a recognition in a flash. Without ANY hesitation. So why should they not do the same for us?

            I’ll tell you why … because their aim is still the old aim of eliminating our Jewish state. It really isn’t rocket science!

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          • But here is my hypothesis. There are a lot of decent law abiding Israeli Jews. But, at their current stage of history, Israeli culture fosters victimhood and a blame game which brings out a lot of these crazies from the woodworks. (wait for it – it won’t take more than a “scintilla”)

            Thanks Gustav/Sluggo/Suggo/Eis-hole/Merav/et al, I couldn’t have done this without you.

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          • Gustav

            ” I couldn’t have done this without you.”

            Oh yes you could, marnie. Trust yourself. You are always good at putting your foot in your mouth and demonstrating your idiocy.

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          • Brian

            For some reason, its interesting, Slug, I’m noticing you persistently trot after my posts and see in the ones with sarcastic humor some kind of histrionic “thing.” Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Are you courting me? Hmmmmm? Q.E.D? Let me give you a clue, some ‘stage directions’. Whenever you see me employing humor plus sarcasm, think “Steve Martin” not “Liberace.” Steve Martin is the proper intonation. It will help you keep your distance.

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        • Gustav

          Why are you so hysterical, Brian?

          Read my lips. Your Abu Mazen, AKA Abbas is a false messiah. He does not want to recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people.

          …and his refusal is consistent with the 100 year effort by the Arab people of this world, first to prevent the creation of the Jewish state and subsequently their attempt to erase our state.

          Before you object to the idea of a Jewish state, please remember that there are 22 Arab States many of them classify themselves as Islamic states.

          You might also want to remember that England is formally a Christian state.

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          • Gustav

            … and you might also want to remember, Brian dear, that in 1947, the UN voted to partition Palestine into two states, one Jewish one Arab. And they specifically used the wording Jewish state. But the Arabs rejected the idea and your Abu Mazen still seems to reject the same idea.

            Some evolution, huh? You really are deluded …

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    17. This is so off topic, but off topic this thread has been since after I posted the first comment, which was actually on topic but 100+ fight cocks, cats and dogs later……the gay dar went off the very first time I saw the nom de plume “Sluggo”. It’s so butch.

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      • Ginger Eis

        1. Your “first comment” showed you to be a cruel and psychotic FRAUD! We had the responsibility to expose you. This is what you said:

        Marnie: Thursday, December 11, 2014

        “I’ll never take a bus again because I don’t want to sit with a lot of people who like the idea of segregated buses. I know there are other Jews who feel the same way; according to this poll 34% of Jews oppose this. If that 34% opposed it to the point they refused to enrich this system, it would force them to change. Walk, car pool, take a taxi or a train, which is what I plan on doing from now on. I hope others will do the same. The only thing the oppressor understands is the loss of capital. That’s what it took to change segregation on buses in Birmingham, Alabama 60 years ago. Rosa Parks – of blessed memory, would certainly agree.”

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        Merav: Thursday, December 11, 2014

        “this fraud – “marnie” – claims to be Jewish by “CONVERSION”; this same canine supports running over Israelis with cars and buses!”

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        •Marnie: Thursday, December 11, 2014
        FASCIST TROLL.

        2. It was later proven that you are a FRAUD! This is how it happen:

        • Ginger Eis, Friday, December 12, 2014

        “@ Barbara, Merav
        That fraudulent “convert” also said stuff like (even as she claims/suggests to be Israeli):
        “(…). Looks like nothing works with you israelis, nothing that doesn’t involve money, bombs, bullets or bulldozers”.

        Living other problems that arise from this statement, note the usage of the word “YOU Israelis” (emphasis mine) in that sentence – as in ‘you Americans’, ‘you Germans’, ‘you etc’.

        Indee, you can’t fool the people all of the time and this psychotic individual is just becoming aware of that.”

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        • Marnie: Saturday, December 13, 2014

        “When the emphasis is yours and in the original, you’ve changed everything and completely fucked your argument. Well, at least you’re getting some action. As often as you change the emphasis in other people’s narratives EIS, you are actually quite a nympho.”

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        • Ginger Eis, Saturday, December 13, 2014

        “(…). Looks like nothing works with you israelis, nothing that doesn’t involve money, bombs, bullets or bulldozers”.

        “You Israelis”!

        Priceless – and that is leaving aside the anti-Semitic aspect of that disgusting statement from a fraud who claims to have “converted” to “Judaism” and is pretending/suggesting that ‘she’ is an Israeli!”

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        • Barbara, Saturday, December 13, 2014

        “you Israelis”

        I guess that is the proverbial ‘slip-of-the-tongue’ that nets the liar! The evidence is conclusive.
        Thank you again, Ginger and others.”

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        • marnie, Saturday, December 13, 2014

        “So what.”

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        • Merav, Saturday, December 13, 2014

        “busted!!! sick-o, busted !!! you are not Israeli as you claimed //… you are a FRAUD //.. busted !!!

        @ Ginger
        good job, Gingi.
        Wieuf!”

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        • Ginger Eis

          RE: Fraudulent claim of being a “convert” to Judaism

          You also claimed to have “converted” to Judaism, even as you are clearly a virulent anti-Semite. When called out on that you hide behind slogans and clichés such as fighting “Zionism” and “GOI”, and not Judaism! Here, though, is just a FRACTION of the problems you could not get away from:

          • Ginger Eis, Sunday, December 14, 2014

          1. This is NOT about Zionism, imbecile! It is about Judaism you claim to have converted to! You can’t convert to Judaism OUTSIDE of the known denominations of Judaism. The Land Of Israel is an integral part of Judaism! ALL denominations of Judaism recognize that (even Christianity does)! The branches of Judaism that opposes Zionism (the Satmar Hasidim, Neturei Karta) do so on THEOLOGICAL ground (they believe that the time has not come for the Children of Zion to return to the Land Of Israel!), but NONE in the opposition believes that the Land Of Israel is “stolen land” by Jews from Arabs – as YOU believe! (a) What you believe: “the land of Israel is stolen Arab land”, and (b) what lies at the heart of Judaism: “The Land Of Israel” are MUTUAL EXCLUSIVES. You thus could not have “converted” to Judaism (by the proper authorities!). But because you are a dunce, you failed to realize that subtle contradiction and thought that you can lie as much as you want!

          2. You also believe in the New Testament and use it in your crusade against the Jewish State (you have not denied that – yet!). Now, (a) belief in the New Testament (and there is nothing wrong with that) and (b) “conversion” to Judaism are MUTUAL EXCLUSIVES. But because you are a dunce, you failed to realize that subtle contradiction.

          3. What you said and say about Jews and Israel are classic examples of anti-Semitism (and folks can oppose Israel without being anti-Semitic, not a problem at all!). Now, why would YOU (an anti-Semite) convert to Judaism from Christianity? Did you suddenly discover that Jesus Christ is NOT the Messiah (and I am not saying that he is or that he is not; I just want to know why you abandoned Christianity, “converted” to Judaism only to fight 99.9% of the Jewry)? What are we missing here? Are you really that deranged and psychotic?

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          • Shut up.

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          • Gustav

            Why should Ginger shut up? Because YOU demand it?

            Get real, manic!

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          • Merav

            # the sick–o has been busted an’ she’s angry ….

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