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Letter to Israeli left: Choose one state, not apartheid

The solution to this conflict will not be the separation of both people into two different states, but rather, it is living together and coexisting with equal rights that will bring an end to this conflict.

By Jalal Abukhater

Over the last few years, I’ve seen increasing numbers of Israelis joining the struggle with Palestinians, who face Israeli occupation every day. I’m writing this to ask them: how do you define “Coexistence”?

Time passes quickly and decades have gone by since the two-state solution was openly put on the table. Palestinians have wasted their time negotiating, given up much of what was once their right, and have lost far more than they have gained in negotiations with the Israeli state in recent decades. At this point, I don’t believe any kind of two-state solution is realistic to even think about. The two-state solution simply means a Jewish-only state, with a Palestinian semi-state next to it filled with illegal settlements and a wall that basically takes away natural resources and strategic lands from the Palestinians, and no Palestinian governance over East Jerusalem.

I was never for the two-state solution, for a number of reasons. First, as a Palestinian, I consider a two-state solution to be a dream that is far from reality. There is no way Israel (at present) will give East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians. The wall and settlements all across the West Bank have already designated the borders of the Palestinian state, and even the West Bank is barely under Palestinian control.

Finally, I am not for the two-state solution, because those who yearn for it reject the Right of Return for Palestinians. The two-state solution rejects the Palestinians right to claim back their stolen property, rejects their right to live in their hometowns in Jaffa, Haifa, Safed, Tiberias and other places.

Most recently, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu now refuses to even consider going back to the 1967 borders. That’s not entirely new, but it does seem that Israel is openly rejecting a Palestinian state as its official policy.

Yet some Israelis and Palestinians are still seeking a two-state solution.

I often criticize the few Israelis (those of the Zionist left) who come to the West Bank to support Palestinians struggling for their state – a state which is supposed to co-exist alongside Israel, but which will be a poor, unarmed state of Palestine alongside Israel, a nuclear-armed state with the power of mass destruction. Those Israelis who seek the two-state solution have forgotten who owned the house they live in, who owned the property their mall is built on, who owned the land of Palestine which is today referred to as Israel.

Historic Palestine is a land that welcomes all faiths, all people. Israel seeks to become a Jewish-only state. Even Barack Obama has begun referring to Israel as a Jewish state in his last Middle East speech. A Jewish state, I believe, will have as its agenda the expulsion of those few 1948 Arabs who are left, from their homes and into refugee camps in a tiny Palestinian state, or neighboring countries.

I refuse Zionism; I refuse to even discuss this struggle with a Zionist. That’s because Zionism for me is another word to describe the complete ethnic cleansing of Arabs from the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, to replace them with Jews from all over the world who I believe don’t even belong to this land.

We Palestinians lost our lands in 1948, we lost more lands in 1967, and we are currently losing whatever is left of Palestine today. The only way to not lose it all is to not give up anymore. At this point, I will accept living in one state joining Jews and Arabs together, with equal rights where, of course, the Right of Return can be applied to Palestinians, just as it has been implemented for six decades for Jews.

I respect every Israeli who is ready to have me or any other Arab as his neighbor in an apartment in Tel-Aviv. I am ready to respect every Israeli who feels we are all equal and we all deserve the same equal rights in life.

The solution to this conflict will not be the separation of both people into two different states, but rather, it is living together and coexisting with equal rights that will bring an end to this conflict. I am extremely inspired by the South African experience, where the people succeeded in using non-violence to gain equal rights for all citizens whatever their race or ethnicity. Just as their apartheid system has fallen, the Israeli apartheid system can and will fall. We will live in one democratic secular state, democracy will prevail, the people will speak, and their voice will be heard.

We Palestinians are no different – no one deserves to be treated differently than any other person because of his religion or ethnic origin. We are all Semites after all; we can and should all be citizens, we should live together and we should not separated by walls or borders.

I ask you, how do you define “Coexistence”? Do you accept me as your neighbor? Are we different?

Jalal Abukhater is a 16-year old resident of East Jerusalem. He is a high school senior at a school in Ramallah. You can follow him on twitter @JalalAK_jojo

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    1. RichardNYC

      Sad that this kid does not properly understand how his ancestors made war on the Jewish population of Palestine. His intrasigence, lies, and false goodwill do not bode well for him or his Jewish neighbors. The Palestinians are learning how to deploy human rights rhetoric in effort to advance their nationalistic, irredentist agenda, but it will not help them.

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    2. Noam W.

      This is nice… but naive and 16 year oldish. For example, “poor and unarmed” don’t necessarily go together. Heck, if we were in a position to use all of the money we spend on the army for welfare and R&D we would all be richer, not poorer.

      There are also marked social cultural differnces between Israelis and Palestinians. We all deserve self determination.

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    3. David

      Palestinian per capita gdp is $2900, Israel per capita gdp is $26000. These numbers in itself make a one state solution impossible.
      Leaving aside Palestinian recent history, Arab society and Israeli/Jewish 21st century society are hardly compatible. How are you going to fuse a tribal people with one of the most innovative places in the world? You gotta be kidding’ me.
      But it is nice to see 972 publishing what it really thinks.

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    4. Vickie

      Sorry gentlemen… several isolated interfaith fights that happened throughout history…and an entire GENOCIDE and ETHNIC CLEANSING of a race of people…hardly equitable…try again.

      And Palestinians had to learn how to search for their human rights because ISRAELIS deny them.

      And how is the UN correct in establishing the state of Israel, but incorrect in establishing the rights of occupied indigenous people and refugees?

      Call the writer what you like, but that kind of logic is irrational and racist.

      And what is that code behind “marked social cultural differences”. Name a few and I’ll name a slew of similarities.

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    5. Michael

      I agree, a one state solution is the only viable option for both palestine and israeli people.

      Richard you do realize that israel at one point was considered a terrorist state – was built on murder and violence. your freedom fighters killed many british soldiers.

      David, the per capita gdp is much lower simply because of the policies israel put into place to keep it low.

      All 3 of the comments above sound just a like the white south africans during the apartheid era, so scared that they will lose all they they have illegally acquired.

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    6. David

      Vickie,
      if you do not realize how offensive this letter is to the VAST majority of Israelis you have understood next to nothing.
      In fact, 972 publishing a letter by a 16 year old symbolizes the non-grasping of the realities at hand here. Refusing Zionism from the get go is a non starter. Kinda like Hamas.
      “marked social cultural differences”, well, just read any newspaper. The most marked difference would be the Enlightenment.

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    7. Unless progressives are utterly willing to betray their stated credo of a fully democratic state, and institute ethnic preferences in the ownership of land, Jews will come to culturally dominate much much more of the land than currently.

      The Israeli right craves the opportunity to buy land in a color-blind market setting in the West Bank.

      The two-state solution is the only prospective path to form any significant area as Palestinian culturally.

      We are in the 21st century, not the 1920’s.

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    8. David

      Michael, what are you smoking?

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    9. Sam Smith

      Good try. You lost your land because you rejected the UN partition plan and then tried to kill off the Jews. So you’re not getting it back and the Jews are here to stay.
      You can keep wallowing in your own self-pity and blaming everyone but yourself, like the Palestinians have done for the past 60 years, or start bettering your life and working for a Palestinian state in the West Bank. You won’t be getting any more.

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    10. Richard Allen

      David, I’m guessing you don’t live in Israel if you think it is one of the most innovative places in the world. Israelis are just as tribal as any of their neighbours, and a thriving tech industry does NOT necessarily mean that that innovation stretches to any other facet of the society. In fact, it doesn’t at all.

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    11. Sam Smith

      Richard Allen: “Israelis are just as tribal as any of their neighbours”
      Huh? Where did you get that hogwash?

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    12. David

      Richard ALLEN,
      I live in Tel Aviv. And you misrepresent Israel, as does 972 generally. Comparing Israel with Arab societies takes the biscuit.
      Cutting edge technical innovation would hardly be possible with a society suffering from social paralysis. Considering what about 300 Million Arabs have in economic output and cultural productivity, makes Israel’s very good indeed. I think compared to most Arabs, Israeli’s are about 7 times more productive ( leaving aside the oil ).
      “Just as tribal”?, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and of course Kurd-Killer Turkey…..really ? I mean there seems to be a tribal war going on in just about every other nation as we speak. Sudan……another civil war coming right up…….yeah! Let’s have a one state solution, so the ruler of Sudan can come to the State founding ceremony and teach us all on tribal harmony and justice.

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    13. NormanF

      The Arab lies about Jewish history and nationalism illustrate why peace is impossible. This Arab refuses to accept Jewish national self-determination. He cloaks the PLO’s/Hamas’ dream of attaining Israel’s destruction in the language of human rights. I laugh when he talks about a secular democratic state. The PA is a corrupt kleptocracy and Hamastan is an Islamic dictatorship. Before the Palestinian Arabs lecture to Israel about democracy and human rights, they should first look to their glass house and practice what they preach.

      And for most Israeli Jews, Arab acceptance of Israel as a Jewish State, acceptance of a two states for two peoples formula is a sine non qua for settling the conflict.

      That said, I don’t expect there to be peace in our lifetime.

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    14. NormanF

      David,

      Peace can be based only truth and justice. I don’t expect much from extremist Arabs. They are not ready for peace today and their societies are backward. I think an Arab researcher in the UAE noted earlier this week that Israel spends more on research and innovation than the entire Arab World combined. Israel is the emerging superpower of the next century. It will get there with or without the Arabs. If they don’t see where they are backward and waste their energies on endless Jew-hatred, they are doomed as a civilization. The Arab Spring only exposed the deep rot that underlines their societies.

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    15. Yair

      I would be the first to sign a “deal” for a borders-free earth without countries in which religion, race or ethnicity do not exist… However it doesn’t matter what I think, The reality is that religion and culture do exist. Even though I do not find my Jewish identity to be a major component in my identity, many others do – and the same with Palestinians. Even if I fail to accept the economic difficulties that those above me have mentinoed (which I don’t) , there is a much more fundamental problem. By choosing the one state solution – we are denying the jewish people (and to similar extent, the Ppalestinian people too) from their right to self-determination, to live in a homeland that its symbols, culture, language, folklore and values are shared with their own. A state is not the sum of bureaucratic & political organizations that operate it, it has a broader meaning – the one that lies within the term: “Homeland”. The Palestinians too, deserve the same right for a “Homeland” – which is the exact reason why the two states solution is the just solution, however complicated and allegedly-impossible it may be.
      Being realistic, I must confess that I believe that most of those Palestians who advocate the one-state solution do not truly seek a democractic state that will embrace all its citizens – Jews & Palestinians. Both sides know that if the one-state “dream” (inc. the right of return) would actually come true – Jews will find themselves as a minority in a state that would no longer hold any of the “Israeli-Jewish” characteristics that ARE PART OF THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL IDENTITES. Furthermore, it is more than probable that the Jewish people will find themselves as a persecuted minority (once again), this time in their own homeland. Soon enough, the vast majority of secular jews, fearing for the own security and rights will migrate out of the country, turning the one-for-all state into a de-facto Palestinan state.
      “Mission Accomplished”.

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    16. Deïr Yassin

      ya jalal ‘azîzî
      I’m proud of you. I was amazed to see that you’re only sixteen-years old. Don’t mind what some of the Zionist supremacists here say.
      Richard Witty who spends his whole life on the net spewing egocentric and ethnocentric nonsense is more than three times your age, and he’s never written anything as comprehensible as you.
      And the other guy who finds your letter ‘offensive’. Poor him. Offensive ! The Nakba and the Naksa is nothing next to his hurt feelings by you suggesting that we should live in equality in OUR ancestral homeland. Nothing looks more like a South African White supremacist that an Israeli supremacist. Hopefully, the end will be the same, and if racist Israelis don’t want to live with Arabs on THEIR land, they are to go back to Brooklyn, Paris and Kiev.
      bi-sumûd.

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    17. Deïr Yassin

      Erratum: ‘they are FREE to go back’

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    18. janna

      i think that some of the argument above as to how similar or different Israelis and Palestinians are could be alleviated by specifying whether one is more discussing secular liberal Israelis or (orthodox) religious Israelis, and by recognizing that there are differences amongst Palestinians as well…

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    19. Yair

      Thank you Deir Yassin for that lovely response of yours as you (unknowingly or not) expressed my exact point. Your last few statements, unfortunately, reveal your hidden and true desire – to see jews flocking out of Israel into Kiev, Paris or Brooklyn.
      As you said and made clear – you believe this piece of land is YOUR homeland, and yours only. Why can’t you accept the fact that this small strecth of land is both the Palestinian and Jewish homeland?
      Secondly, I find it hard to imagine you calling a Canadinan citizen ‘racy’ just because it would turn down the ‘idea’ of merging its own country with its big neighbour from the south (and they partially, even if to a limited extent – share the same language and culutre!).
      Israelis are damn right to turn down this idea as it would make the jewish people a persucted minority in their own country (Israelis worst nightmare. Obviously a ‘dream come true’ for others.) The current situation in which Palestinans are opressed by the Israelis – is of course, no better (and that’s an understatement). Therefore – We need a two states solution, in which each nationality would govern itself as the majority.
      I can’t believe Israel has brought itself to the point in which it has to justify its own existence as the homeland of the Jewish people.

      I risk at being offensive here – But it is important to make it clear. I am not trying to convince you, Deir Yassin, at all – as we both probably know what your true motives are. I’m trying to talk some sense to ‘the others’ who read this. They deserve to receive a more balanced and realistic point of view. Build your opinion based on a more informed and less-prejudiced information.

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    20. Love this letter! Been so busy following flotilla have not had time to comment.

      There are thousands of Jews living in New York along side thousands of Muslims.

      No reason this can’t work in Palestine!

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    21. Sam Smith

      Linda J, you’re delusional if you think there’s any similarity between Jews and Muslims living in NY and those in Israel/Palestine.

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    22. Deïr Yassin

      @ Yair
      You can interpret my comment as you want. I’m more than used to Zionists who manipulate comments, facts and historical events.
      I do believe in a democratic, secular State from the river to the sea for all goodwilled people. My family is from Akka, and that’s where I intend to return, not al-Khalil or Nablus, no matter how nice these cities are !
      And yes, if the Jews do not want to live with the natives, that is, the Palestinians, in equality and dignity, they are free to leave. Just as 1 million White South Africans have leftthe country since the end of their version of Hafradah. They too apparently didn’t like the natives. To the rest, I say ‘ahlan wa sahlan’.
      PS. I’m all too used to the insinuations of ‘throwing the Jews into the sea’ that you also evoke. We all know that so far the only ones thrown into the sea were thousands of Palestinians in ’48.

      @ Ya jalal
      Here’s a young girl your age (she just turned 15) that you probably already know. Nay Barghouti from Ramallah singing the famous song by Fairuz, ‘Zahrat al-Mada’in’ (The Flower of Cities), a praise to your hometown.
      ‘Al-Quds fi bâl’
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIKHnXH63J8

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    23. max

      Linda, the Jews and Muslims living in New York are called Americans

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    24. “How are you going to fuse a tribal people with one of the most innovative places in the world?”

      First of all, we work to eradicate supremacist attitudes like that.

      I live in the West Bank. I often have discussions with Israelis who tell me that Palestinian society is tribal or primitive, not compatible with their way of life at all. I will try to point out that the line they are using – “Their society is too backward for us to coexist like that!” – was spoken millions of times in apartheid South Africa and the American South. I will ask them how many Palestinians they know, really know, and I will be told indignantly that they once sat next to an Arab in high school. And I will point out that, “Some of my best friends are black/Asian/whatever!” is another line that has been used millions of times in deeply unsavoury societies. It’s every bit as false and repugnant here and now as it was there and then.

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    25. Yair

      @Deir Yassin,

      I’m only fooling my self by believing that those words will not fall on deaf ears.
      However –
      You accuse me of historic events manipulation, I would like to politely ask you to point out the historical inaccuracies that i have stated.
      I wish i wrong about you. Sadly, your comment in the following post: http://972mag.com/flotilla162011/ leaves no doubt about your true intentions and your thoughts about the “authenticity” of the jewish people. Amazing. Turns out that “Jews” are not really Jews at all. I am eager to learn about your next “scoops”. Perhaps the sun is green? Earth is actually flat after all?
      I suggest you expand your horizons and maybe replace some of those “history textbooks” that you keep in your home library.
      Finally, i would like to praise you. Seriouly – I’m not sarcastic at all. Those rhetorical abilities that allow you to wrap your twisted beliefs about jews in such an “academic-educated” and refined way, is truly remarkable and i’m sure it does wonders with changing the hearts of those who are completely ignorant.

      I can’t bring myself to end this comment with a
      negative tone. And so i would like to express my genuine wish that Israel would “wake up” from the hallucination its been living in for the past decades and end this occuption – once and for all. I truly hope both states, Palestine & Israel would be able to live SIDE BY SIDE peacefully in the near future – with each side acknowledging the other’s right to exist.

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    26. Eitan

      Dear Jalal, thank you for your sensitive and personal piece. Don’t pay any attention to the racists – they’re on their last legs and they know it.

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    27. Teri

      I cannot tell you how impressed I am with this letter and the thoughtful reflection that went into it. I have been on both sides of the wall. The only place I heard the hatred expressed was in a Zionist settlement. I think to do to people what has been done to the Arab population (in much, much greater number than the reverse) requires believing that the “other” is a lesser being.

      I was warmly greeted in Palestine by the people who live there. They are nothing like what you have been told. Go and talk with the group Breaking the Silence. They know what is going on there because they did it. A circumspect look in the mirror was what it took.

      May the people who have posted here do the same. Investigate the truth, and atone for the damage.

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    28. Haneen

      So proud of you, Jalal! You speak the truth, whether the Zionists like it or not. Those who support injustice become more aggressive as they realize their numbers are dwindling and that they are indeed on the wrong side of history. Keep writing, you are so talented!

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    29. max

      I doubt that many Israelis will see a viable solution in one that will force them to give up land that used to be Arab before ’48 (RoR), to live with a person who tells them “This system is slowly turning to be EXTREMELY similar to 1935 Nazi Germany”.
      So talk about such a 1-state solution is nothing short of saying NO to a possibility of peace.
      .
      I assume that being 16 is a good excuse for not knowing why Palestinians lost their land.
      Accountability is a matter for grownups.

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    30. NormanF

      Deir Yassin overlooks the fact the majority of Israel’s Jews don’t come from Europe. While its too bad the Palestinian Arabs fled at the instigation of their self-proclaimed leaders, the same leaders who keep leading them from one dead end to another, the Jews whom the Arab World forcibly kicked out came home to where they’ve always been. No one on the Israeli Left talks about Arab apartheid societies that are completely “Jew-free.” They got their dearest wish and they still wallow in Jew-hatred. Until this attitude disappears, there is never going to be peace. Any one who thinks otherwise, is simply lying for peace and no good will come of it.

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    31. Deïr Yassin

      NormanF rewrites history and states that “the Palestinian Arabs fled at the instigation of their self-proclaimed leaders and that the Jews were kicked out from the Arab world”.

      People sniffing Ziocaïne sometimes are rather laughable:lying about the past in a part of their DNA.

      Here one of the Jews ‘kicked out of the Arab world’, Reuven Abergel:
      Listen to what he has to say about living in Morocco, and how his family came to Israel. Abergel is the founder of the Black Panthers and anti-zionist:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suUTEcoN6R8
      All non-partisan historiography claims that only in rare cases were the Jews ‘kicked out’ of the Arab world. The majority left because of ‘Zion calling’.
      Justifying Zionism and the theft of Palestinian land definitely bring the worst out in people.

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    32. Sam Smith

      Deir Yassin: “only in rare cases were the Jews ‘kicked out’ of the Arab world. The majority left because of ‘Zion calling’.”
      Like the tens of thousands of Iraqi Jews who left after they were slaughtered in the streets of Baghdad?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud
      Or the thousands of Libyan Jews who suffered pogroms from the hands of your Arab brethren?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Tripoli_pogrom

      You’re fooling no one.

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    33. Serge

      “Deir Yassin” — may I call you Hebron for short? — calls for Jews to go back where we came from. The thing is this: after a while abroad, and massacres galore, we did. Perhaps it is time for those who, like Hebron, fetishize some village to which the Ottomans moved their great-grandparents to dig a little deeper and go back to where *they* are from. It is certainly not Israel.

      The original piece was, I felt, impressive. It is nice to see a 16-year-old think deeply about these issues. Ultimately, though, his only objection to a Palestinian state is that it would be poor and would not have strong weapons. But poverty really depends on the Palestinians’ ingenuity and entrepreneurship, and strong weaponry is certainly not required in a nation that does not seek to make war. By all means, let the Palestinian state be a multicultural one that is accepting of all faiths and cultures, and let the Israeli state do the same. Maybe then they will eventually federate and merge.

      In fact, let us wish this for the whole world! Perhaps Turkey and Armenia — or is it Greece-Turkey and Armenia-Azerbaijan? — will finally adopt the one-state solution. I personally am looking forward to the France-Germany single state, which will churn out beautiful pastries with unmatched efficiency, although they will never match the Finno-Swedish Republic at ice hockey. Egypt-Libya, single states in each of Sudan and Cyprus, let’s go! But if none of them succeed, they will always have the single-state Israel-Palestine-Lebanon as their example, a much more realistic and easier goal — isn’t it?

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    34. Deïr Yassin

      @ Sam Smith
      “Like the tens of thousands of Iraqi Jews who left after they were slaughtered in the streets of Baghdad ?”

      Well, sometimes the ‘Hasbaradim’ should read their prose before hitting the ‘submit’ button. First, tens of thousands of Iraqi Jews were killed, and then they fled. They were just killed a little bit then ? Maybe you should leave the melodramatic tone, it’s not a Hollywood-scenario you’re writing !

      The Farhud Massacre was in 1941, during the Second World War, and the Jewish Exodus from Irak took place mainly in the beginning of the ’50’s.
      If you google Avi Shlaim+ I’m not a refugee’ you’ll get various statements by Shlaim, of Iraqi origin, on why his family left Irak.
      Or read Ella Shohat, another Iraqi Jew,: “Zionism from the standpoint of its Jewish Victims”

      I’m impressed by people who link to wikipedia to prove their statements. Most of us know that ‘wikipedia’ is heavely biased, particularly on topics touching Zionism. Google ‘Zionism+editing+wikipedia’ and you’ll have plenty of information. Well, I’ll give you the first hint:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY
      On the Farhud-page, there are references such as Gilbert, Bat Ye’or and Bernard Lewis. It really shows the bias.
      The Tripoli Massacre took place in 1945, also within the context of WWII. That thousands of Arab Lybians were killed too has of course no importance to Jewish ethnic supremacists. Only the Jews count. By the way Libya only became independant in 1951.

      We know the Hasbara: it started out with ‘a land without a people for a people without land’, changed to the ‘Seven Arab armies invading the newborn State’, and every time the New Historians debunk the propaganda, there is a new one ready from Yuri Edelstein’s basement: the last in the row is ‘1.000.000 Jews were expelled from the Arab World’
      Yuu’re fooling nobody either !

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    35. Sam Smith

      Deir: It was certainly dramatic for those who had to go through these times, and despite your attempts to belittle and excuse the deaths of hundreds of people, facts are facts.

      Does the context of WWII excuse the barbarism of the Arab mobs?

      For every Shlaim which you quote I can bring 10 Iraqi Jews who tell of the suffering they went through. Shlaim, in any case, is largely irrelevant: he was born after the Farhud and left Iraq at the age of 5.

      Here’s what Shmuel Moreh has to say about his actual experience in Iraq – unlike Shlaim he is a witness to the way Muslims treated their Jewish neighbors:
      “If anyone thinks that life was a paradise for us there, he could not be more mistaken. We were called names, harassed on a daily basis, and I lived through this hell during all of my childhood.”
      http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?id=178785

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    36. max

      Britannica, not Wikipedia: “The nearly extinct Jewish community traces its origins to the Babylonian Exile (586–516 bc). Jews formerly constituted a small but significant minority and were largely concentrated in or around Baghdad, but, with the rise of Zionism, anti-Jewish feelings became widespread. This tension eventually led to the massive Farhūd pogrom of June 1941.”
      So when they could, and following the Iraqi government’s threatening letters to the UN about the fate of the Jews in Iraq and the actual actions and hanging of some prominent Jews, the Jews emigrated, between 1948 and 1951.
      Nice style, Dear Yassin, beautiful prose, lies upon lies.

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    37. Saeed Hotary

      nice vision, but there is no room for colonialists and victims. Jews who were present in Palestine before the notorious Balfour declaration may stay. all others must leave

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    38. Deïr Yassin

      Well, the Baghdad-bombing were in 1950-1951, and it was after these Mossad-operations (cf. the Lavon-affair in Egypt) that the Iraqi Jews started emigrating en masse.
      If Max thinks that three lines from ‘Britannica’ can explain the complex situation, it tells us more about Max than the situation of the Iraqi Jews. According to Naïm Giladi, memeber of the Zionist underground in Iraq, the bombs were planted in order to make the Jews leave, just as in Egypt.
      Naim Giladi later worked as an Arabic translator in Israel – and has interesting thing to say about how the Mizrahi Jews were treated – before leaving in 1982 after the Sabra and Shatila massacres. He died last year in New York, as a convinced anti-zionist. May God have mercy upon his soul:
      http://www.ameu.org/uploads/vol31_issue2_1998.pdf

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    39. Deïr Yassin

      I forgot, since Max accuses me of lying:
      One of the most common Hasbara procedures is turning upside-down the chronology, and the “cause and effet”, and Max gives us a brilliant example in his ‘analysis’:
      “Hanging of some prominent Jews, the Jews emigrated between 1948-1951”.
      He doesn’t know shit about Iraq neither the Jewish community there. Two Jews were hanged in 1952 !! accused of being responsible for the anti-Jewish bombing in 1950-1951 on behalf of the Zionists.

      I wonder how the hanging of two Jews in 1952 can be the explination of an exodus that Max pretends took place between 1948-1951 ?
      I know the Hasbara doesn’t obey to laws of logic …

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    40. max

      Dear Yassin,
      I warmly suggest that you read “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle” which proves beyond doubt that Americans never landed on the moon, despite what the USSR would like you to believe.
      I also recommend the excellent documentary “A Grand Day Out with Wallace and Gromit” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104361/) that shows what they would have found there, had they actually reached the moon.
      Your posts are fully based on rumors and unsubstantiated theories. I’m referring to facts.
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      Have there been bombs planted by Jews to expedite the exodus of the Iraqi Jews? I doubt. What we know – history, not speculations – is that the massacres happened, that Iraq warned the UN that massacres may happen, that Jews were thrown out of civil service jobs, that Jews weren’t allowed to deal with import / export, and that huge properties were confiscated.
      We also know that Jews were leaving Iraq by the thousands before the bombings of 1950-1951, and that they were eager to use the Denaturalization Act (allowing them to flee) before it expires.
      .
      Within 3 years, over 120,000 Iraqi Jews fled their homeland, where many have been long prior to the Arabs, leaving behind all their riches.
      Claiming that this happened because of a few bombs is quite ridiculous, regardless of who planted them. But of course, it’s better to go off-subject into irrelevant issues.
      .
      Shafiq Ades was executed on 23 October 1948 in Basra.
      For the bombings, 2 Jews were sentenced to death and close to 20 put in prison by the Iraqi “justice”. No one has been sentenced for the massacres and pogroms of Jews.
      .
      As a fan of info off the beaten road, I’m sure you’d appreciate the BBC personal account video from the fabricator of the Deîr Yassin lie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG7VAME6sz0

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    41. Mali

      Arab apartheid / Muslim apartheid are the largest ‘apartheid systems’, that exist today.[1]

      Virtually all non-Arabs and/or non-Muslims are second class citizens.[2]

      Among minorities that feel the wrath of the bigoted Arab-Muslim world are:

      * Berbers (native N. Africans, before Arab invasion).

      * Copts (indigenous Egyptians suffer from both: Arab racism and Islamic bigotry).

      * Kurds. Examples include: [Saddam’s] Iraq and Syria.

      * Blacks, in Arab lands or in Arab ruled Africa like the genocide in the Sudan and slavery in both Sudan and in Mauritania.

      * Asians, particularly in the Gulf Arab states. [Sex slaves or “plain” slaves).

      * Maronites-Christians [Native Lebanese] suffer from both Arab ethnic racism and religious bigotry, like the massacres in the 1970s by local Muslims and by Palestinian/Syrian forces.

      * Assyrians, are/have been persecuted both racially and religiously. Still very much marginalized in Iraq, for example.

      * Iran is not an Arab country but racism is huge against Kurds, Jews, Turkmens, etc. So is anti-non-Muslim bigotry against Christians, Bahai, Zoroastrians and other in the Islamic republic.

      * Turkey is also a Muslim non-Arab country and Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and other ethnicities have been through much suffering, genocide. Still there’s great wide racism against non-Turkish ethnic groups. Turkey’s policy in Cyprus has also been recognized as a real Apartheid by many. All non-Muslims are automatically branded as “foreigners” at the “moderate” Islamic supremacy of Turkey.

      * All non-Msulims in ‘Islamic Apartheid state’ of S. Arabia.

      * Al-Akhdam in Yemen.

      * Gypsies in Jordan.

      Islamic-Arab “Palestine” apartheid:

      * Ahmadiyya Muslims are harshly persecuted in (Pakistan and in) the “Palestinian” Apartheid authority and/or by Hamas.

      * Descendents of slaves of the Bedouins are still stigmatized by racist “Palestinians”.

      * Christians are discriminated, persercuted against [especially since Y. Arafat’s Islamization of Bethlehem], by Palestine authority and Hamas regime.

      From anti-Jewish Apartheid:

      – The Arab racist apartheid against the Jews attempted genocide ever since the 1920s, (Like Mufti of “Palestine” at his incited massacres, and Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood who called simply ‘to kill Jews’).
      – Chased out a Million Jews in the late 1940.
      – Has boycotted and demonized [every logical defensive action is branded “racist”] the Jewish democratic-free-equal-to-all state only because it’s the “other”. It is neither Muslim nor purely Arab.
      – The Arab racist world continues to play with Arab-Palestinians (grandchildren of Arab immigrants[3]) like ping-pong against Israel.[4]

      And the beacon of apartheid has the audacity to charge the only counytry in the M.E. which is NOT apartheied] multi-racial Israel’s beautiful democracy [that often gives preferential treatment for its Arabs over Jews][5]|[6]|[7]|[8]|[9]|[10]] with this terminology?

      The Arab deceptive propaganda machine that acts as if Arab-Islamic genocidal campaign is not obvious enough to determine Israel’s extra security measures [including an anti-terror / anti-massacres wall/fence].

      As if we don’t know the ‘Arab oil lobby’s power’ over the UN and other major international organizations and some African officials to go along with the Arab propaganda.

      Despite some non-Arabs who jump on this wagon out of: ignorance, of confusion complex, or of sheer bigotry, never forget, that this entire “apartheid, racism” label was invented by Arab racists ganging up in the UN since 1975.

      Even promoter of the apartheid-slur J. Carter admitted on CNN: “I recognize that Israel is a wonderful democracy with freedom of speech and equality of treatment under the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis.”[11]

      Radnom fact: Israel is a secular system, its laws are based on the Ottoman and British-Mandate rulings that proceeded the reestablishing of the State in its historic place.

      Incidentally, the lying Pallywood machine also created a fake “memorandum” (written by an Arab propaganist) claiming that N. Mandela ever uttered this crappy analogy.[12]

      Arab Nazism – the origin of the ‘apartheid slur’
      This thesis of falsely comparing Israel to S. Africa’s system was invented by Ahmed Shukeiri in 1961,[13] that’s right, years before the “occupation” excuse ‘appeared’ on the scene. (And of course decades before the security fence against Arab massacres was erected). Not by accident was that very same Mr. Shukairy the aide to the Arab-Islamic Nazi: the Mufti, A. Hitler’s ally, involved in assisting in extermination at the period of WWII.[14] He also identified himeself with Nazis (based in Argentina) in front of the United Nations in 1962.[15]

      Last but not least:

      Isn’t it true that the anti-Jewish “apartheid” slur (Treat the ‘A’ word like the ‘N’ word, jpost)[16] campaign is: A) to demonize Jews and B) to hide the real apartheid practiced by the Arab-Islamic world?[17]

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    42. Deïr Yassin

      @ Max
      Don’t worry. Other Zionist Nakba denier have already posted the link about Deir Yassin. It tells more about you than about what happened at Deïr Yassin and the implication it had for Palestine.
      You still don’t explain how the effect of two Iraqi Jews, hanged in 1952, can precede and cause the exodus that you pretend was mainly from 1948-1951. And particularly, you don’t explain what it has to do with the Palestinian Nakba, and the creation of a Jewish State on land that did not belong to Jews. But then we know: distraction and confusion is part of the Hasbara procedure.

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    43. max

      Dear Yassin,
      Don’t worry; I didn’t expect an answer to my points. I know that facts are hard on you.
      .
      Also, I haven’t referred in my earlier post to the 2 Iraqi Jews hanged in 1952, and mentioned them in the next one only because you did, and not in the context of the Jewish exodus.
      Putting things in my mouth so that you can argue with them seems to be a trick you like.
      .
      I also didn’t bring up the topic of Iraqi Jews – I was commenting on your false statement in their regard.
      .
      If by Naqba you refer to the common Palestinian “narrative” then yes, I deny it.
      I do acknowledge the plight of the Palestinian people, in Israel, Jordan, Lebanon… (more killed by Arab brothers than Israelis) but put it in the correct historical context of cause and effect.
      But as I wrote above: accountability is a matter for grownups.

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    44. Deïr Yassin

      @ Max
      What’s amazing about your kind of propagandists is that you’re capable of lying with an enormous amount of chutzpah ! Or maybe you just don’t remember the Hasbara that you’re spewing ?

      Max: Monday July 4, 9:52 am
      “Also I haven’t referred in my earlier post to the 2 Iraqi Jews hanged in 1952 and mentioned them in the next one only because you did”.
      That’s incredible !

      Max: Sunday July 3, 11:32 am
      “…and hanging of some prominent Jews, the Jews emigrated between 1948 and 1951”

      That is the first mention of any ‘hanged Jews’ on this thread !

      I answer, Monday July 4, 3:13 am, and mention for the first time the ‘hanged Jews’ by asking you how Jews hanged in 1952 can have any influence on an exodus taking place in 1948-51.

      Instead of answering, you start ‘hasbarizing’ once again. Maybe you’re talking about some other ‘hanged Jews’ that we don’t know about ? Better contact Yuri Edelstein for some advice…

      PS. You didn’t bring up the Iraqi Jews neither did I. Some of your fellow Hasbara-colleagues did to take the discussion away from the topic here, Palestine.

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    45. Liz

      The UN should impose the proposals within the Geneva Accord on both parties, use the international court system to deal with whichever party violates the Resolution and if the 2 parties want to fight each other to the death so be it. There is a perfectly sane blueprint for a settlement, use it! This conflict has gone on for too long and is too destabilising to the wider region. If the key parties refuse to see sense let others do so for them.

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    46. it’s true, but how can it not considering that the middle east is a tribal, not nationalistic, region?

      it is funny that us westerners come here to demand a way of life we are used to for israelis, while they are actually trying to build a country from scratch with enemies surrounding it.

      it will make anybody tribal. it’s crazy but understandable. see, arabs aren’t usually best neighbors either.

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    47. What interesting arguments! Is what Bible says historically true: Israeli and palestines are two brothers of same father but two mothers? If that was true, why the two brothers behave like the whites and blacks of the South African of the aparthied era. And yet, if the white south Africans who did all bad to the black Africans could co-exist as a single state in harmony, why don’t the two brotheres, at least two Semites with same colour, partly shared language and even partly shared religions can’t coexist compromising their differences. I think unity is sterngth, resources fairly shared, rights equally granted, people equally respected, differences and diversity accepted may lead to coexistenc.
      I think Citizens of the two better preach ‘peace’ and the world should do the same so that every individual of the two exercise freedom, and life free of fear and hate.
      I have never been to either country nor have I ever read a lot on politics of these two ‘states’ but I heard all my ages about their conflicts on media. May we all listen to peace, coexistence, democracy news of the people of Insraeli and Palestine! Amen!

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    48. […] for many reasons which I have mentioned in a previous article which you could take a look at here.  I believe the one and only proper eternal solution for this conflict is one democratic secular […]

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    49. Uri 172

      I thank you for respecting me, but I do not believe that a one state solution will be achieved anytime soon, not in this generation. And if you want to ever achieve that you must first agree to the two state solution and maybe after many years once the world is different place you may open the boarders, because the truth is that Israel is already a state divided in itself with contradicting opinions that might as well call for another wall built (and I’m for it, I think that I do not want to live in a country that has religious extremists and right winged JeudoNazis… But that’s just dreaming hey?!)
      I know that if your family was to move to Tel Aviv some would accept you as nieghbors, but I also know people who like to burn your house down, move you away.
      That is a line that divides the israely society today, there are many who want to live equally as human beings, face the threat of religious extremists together and so we could stop the racist policies Israel has to implement in order to fight terrorism, and there are some who will not accept the Palestinians, it may be because of racist arguments (Arabs don’t act as human beings and they will not be my neighbors) or other arguments (I have personally seen how these arguments are actually a facade that disguises the racism) like the israely Biblical historical right over the land, or the fact that the Palestinians are poor so we should not accept them and worsen the situation of the State: ‘leave them to solve their problems, they have no right to take advantage of our state’.
      However, we cannot simply ignore those who have this mindset, the Palestinians cannot return to their original homes anymore because they belong to the Jews, heck! The Palestinians can’t even probably live in one Palestinian state because they are too many on too little land, not all Palestinians will migrate to the Palestinian state because of the population density and difficulties that will ensue. You have to be realistic in your demands from the future, I personally think that you would like to live with Israelis as a human being you should go abroad. Living in Israel means you have to live side by side with a people who will never accept you, and that means the states will have to be separate, and you will have to give up some of your (naive I would say) dreams of the right of return and a unison of the entire Palestinian community.

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