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Let's investigate leftists. It actually makes sense

It just doesn’t end. It’s as if there’s no recess. Honestly, I feel like driving up to Jerusalem and asking the guys in “parliament” to slow down for a second. Just give me a break. Please, can I just have a breather for a few days without you guys pushing Israeli “democracy” further down the hill?

Today, the Knesset decided “to support a panel of inquiry to investigate certain groups suspected of ‘delegitimizing’ the Israel Defense Forces”, as Haaretz reports:

“The plenum’s approval means that the initiative will now be taken to the Knesset House Committee for debate. The initiative proposes investigating the sources of funding for these left-wing groups, and to determine whether money is being funneled from foreign states or organizations linked to terror activities.”
You know what? It actually makes sense. Really.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.
But let’s not investigate the people that are OK with an Interior Minister who allowed the Israeli Fire Service to remain staffed and equipped as if it was made for a small town in rural Transylvania. Nah, that wouldn’t make any sense.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.
But let’s not investigate the people who let holocaust survivors in Israel die in poverty and hunger. Nah, that wouldn’t make any sense.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.
But let’s not investigate the people who say they’re a light to all nations, but will kick you out if your skin is dark. Nah, that wouldn’t make any sense.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.
But let’s not investigate the people who allow rabbis to order Jews not to rent or sell property to Arabs. Nah, that wouldn’t make any sense.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.
But let’s not investigate the people who send Jonathan Pollak to jail, while Michael Ben Ari, Baruch Marzel and Itamar Ben Gvir roam the streets freely. Nah, that wouldn’t make any sense.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.
But let’s not investigate the people who fired heaps of tear gas directly at an unarmed demonstrator, hitting him in the chest and killing him. Nah, that wouldn’t make any sense.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.
But let’s not investigate the people who two years later shot commercial amounts of U.S. made tear gas that caused the former victim’s sister to die of asphyxiation. Nah, that wouldn’t make any sense.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.
But let’s not investigate the people who abhor the word “apartheid” but are perfectly fine with millions of people living under their rule without civil rights for 43 years. Nah, that wouldn’t make any sense.

Yes. Let’s investigate left wingers.

I think it’s about bloody time.

(h/t Ouriel Daskal)

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    1. […] taking a look at how Ami Kaufman at 972 Magazine has described this. In Kaufman’s article “Let’s investigate leftists. It actually makes sense” he facetiously notes how it’s perfectly logical to be going after these groups. You know […]

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    2. Ben Israel

      I suggest we investigate the people who decided to bring Arafat and his terror gangs to Israel and turned them loose, after giving them weapons, money and communications media in which to incite their population, all of this leading to a massive suicide bomber campaign that led to the deaths or wounding of THOUSANDS OF ISRAELIS, far more than died in the Carmel fire. No one has ever been held responsible for this criminal negligence, even though Arafat had been responsible for igniting civil wars in TWO countries, Lebanon and Jordan leading to tens of thousands of deaths. His massive corruption was well known. In spite of all these warning signs , they brought him here. No investigation was held. Why? Because the “progressives” were behind the move. Why should ‘progressives’ be immune from the consequences when they foul up?

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    3. I suggest we “investigate” the “organization” and the “people” who brainwashed your “brain”.

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    4. Avnatio Popolos

      Well petty and fascist population elects Petty Fascist leaders, its like being shocked the people of Uganda voted for a black man

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    5. Michael

      I cannot understand why did you say that’s a way to push Israeli democracy down the hill? Don’t you see any moral inconvinience with hiring staff for attaining political goals in foreign country? I think it is extremely dangerous – not to mention it is lack of basic morality – to pay Israeli political bodies with a cash coming from states alien to very existence of Israel. It is for years that I kept asking the same question: on earth, who is subsidising all the gangs, Anarchists Against the Fence, Betselem,Yesh Gvul, Ahadalla and so on?

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    6. “gangs”??? seriously?
      And I would suppose you’re a right wing “thug”?

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    7. Yes, Israel armed Arafat, Churchill armed the IRA, the United States armed the Taliban. AND?
      on any level of logic how is this your answer to political persecution of people based on their opinions?!
      40 years of occupation and I swear I think people’s brains have started to melt! funny enough, the ones exposed to the biggest amount of chemicals lately seem to be the most immune.
      Ben Israel, you can argue until you’re blue in the face with everything 972mag writes, but the fact that its the year 2011 and an entire nation can’t tell the difference between even the most basic rights and wrongs and that our govt. has an entire country convinced that human rights organizations are doing more damage than the military is, has your brain melted?

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    8. Ben Israel

      Ami-
      (1) If you noticed, I only used quotes on the word “progressives”, meaning “so-called” progressive–i.e. if one considers advocating setting up a backwards, corrupt, anti-democratic, theocratic Palestinian state as being “progressive”, which I and others don’t.

      (2) I note that you don’t even relate to the point I made about thousands of people being killed, having their and their families lives ruined because of the Oslo Agreements, whose failure was predicted from the beginning. If you care about the victims of the Carmel fire, why don’t you care about the victims of the Palestinians terror campaign?

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    9. Michael

      You might call me however you wish but I am not subsidised. My mind and my actions are really independent. And the organizations I noted are not free-thinkers who fighting unjustice or occupation. They are just hired staff.

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    10. Ben:
      I actually did “notice”. And “kudos”, you’ve really “improved” with the whole quote “thing”.

      And of course I didn’t relate to your points. Do you ever relate to mine? Of course not. What I write goes in one ear and out the next for you, Ben Israel. It’s what’s called a “שיח חרשים”. And I’m fine with that. We’ll never see eye to eye. If you think I’m dumb enough to actually waste my time in an effort to convince brainwashed bigots like yourself to think otherwise, you got another thing coming. I know you’re helpless.
      My blog isn’t intended for people like you. You’re way beyond help.
      All you do is waste my comment space. Feel free to keep commenting – but don’t expect me to exert any intellectual effort into trying to convince you to change your ways.
      Oh – and don’t even try to believe for a second that your comments put a dent in my own ideology. Au contraire, my friend.
      Shabbat Shalom

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    11. keren

      In israel if it isn’t backwards, then it isn’t normal……. Unfortunately!!

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    12. Y.

      What’s funny is how similar the post (and the thread) is to the other thread/flamewar earlier[1]. Except there the positions were reversed.

      There it was Ami suggesting investigating a certain party especially (“why on earth would we want to hold ourselves to HIGHER standards” – and the Left shouldn’t do this to itself too?), and it was Ben pointing out all the sins of others (“what about the Turkish occupation of Kurdistan and Cyprus? what about…” – which can be transposed seamlessly to the current post).

      I hope both of you are capable of a reasoned, consistent position and not merely a political one. (For the record: if the Knesset wants an investigation so badly, let it make a (badly needed) law regulating foreign donations through the regular process, and then maybe it could investigate future violations, rather than make ex post facto accusations).

      [1]
      http://972mag.com/bds-comes-to-bds-comes-to-jstreet/

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    13. Y – I missed you! Hope you’re feeling better. Just not the same without your nonsense.

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    14. Y – just to make clear what I meant, I know it might be hard for you: I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about. Really. I just can’t see the connection between Joseph’s post you linked to, my comments on that post (where I never said anything about investigations, but voiced my opposition to BDS).
      At least your consistent with your nonsense though. Much more than Ben. He’s sooooo fickle…

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    15. Y.

      It’s pretty simple: the previous thread exploded when Ben argued that ‘there’s no reason to hold Israel to a different standard.'[1] You replied ‘But we should hold ourselves to a different standard'[2], and Ben eventually followed with “what all the others’ sins”[3] [abridged by me].

      This post basically starts with “what about all the others’ sins” phase, as if comparing to what other people do would make any alleged violation by NGOs fine or make Israelis trust the NGOs more. This is a logic which you denounced in the other thread[4] (“I want to hold my country to standards i think are high, without comparing it to anyone. You and ben Israel are the ones doing comparing.” Now, say, switch “my country” with “my political movement”).

      In fairness, Ben hasn’t explicitly said he supported the investigation (though 3:40am comment implies it), so maybe maybe I was unfair to him.

      [1] Dec 22. 1:16pm, Dec. 23 1:11pm
      [2] Dec. 23 2:40pm
      [3] Dec. 26 3:45am
      [4] Dec. 25 2:15pm

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    16. Y – You make Benayahu look like a spin medical student.
      Your analysis is so off, I don’t know even where to begin.
      Keep putting words in my mouth. If that’s the best ya got, go for it.

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    17. Do you think there will be any similar public investigation into whether there might be any foreign funding for the settlement movement, the wall, the occupation infrastructure, the government in general, and the Israeli armed forces?

      I have a strong suspicion there might be a little bit of money coming from the United States of America, coming from the US taxpayer, promoting their own perceived interests, which by the same argument would be equally inappropriate, am I wrong? 🙂

      Also I suspect they may be smuggling arms to the Israeli military, including WMDs, and nobody seems to be intercepting or blockading these shipments.

      Is this all going to feature in part 2 of the legislation?

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    18. TJ

      Open up investigations on the left, great idea. I would like to see it happen in America.

      We just smacked the left in the mouth over here in America this past election, now we just need to send Obama on his way next time around.

      Maybe your country can offer Obama a job, Mr. Kaufman. We certainly don’t have any use for him.

      LoL, take my president, please.

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    19. Yes. Let’s investigate the people that are OK with an Interior Minister who allowed the Israeli Fire Service to remain staffed and equipped as if it was made for a small town in rural Transylvania. And let’s investigate who started the fire and why did it spread. Let’s also work hard to plant hardwood instead of flammable eucalyptus. And by the by give some additional jobs to jobless olim hadashim, maybe to an agronomist engineer and a forestal engineer that have to survive on government grants, when they CAN WORK ON THEIR PROFESSIONS, but the govt. won’t let them. I wonder why. That would truly make sense.

      Yes. Let’s investigate the people who let holocaust survivors in Israel die in poverty and hunger. I wonder who lets some government officers profit and raise their golden salaries, while there are so many holocaust survivor hungry. Many olim hadashim jobless. And many others have to pay for their studies, while there are others that receive full scholarships based on a discriminatory policy. That would truly make sense.

      Yes. Let’s investigate the people who say they’re a light to all nations, but will kick you out if you don’t have protektzia. And let’s investigate who started the fashion of the “protektzia”. We would be surprised to know (maybe we already do know…). That would truly make sense.

      Yes. Let’s investigate the “loyal” citizens who advocate the destruction of our country. And the reasons that make some believe that if some local rabbi says we are not permitted to eat fish during Pesah, then Israel’s law *actually mandates it* and is therefore retrograde. (you can do what the rabbi says; you can happily ignore it. No one will jail you if you ignore it) Let’s live and let live. That would truly make sense.

      Yes. Let’s investigate why there still exists such thing as a debtor’s prison in Israel. Quoting something from 1862: “Holland, the most unpolite country in the world, uses debors with mildness and malefactors with rigour; England, on the other hand, shows mercy to muderers and robbers, but of poor debtors impossibilities are demanded”. It is 2010, and Israel still jails people for debts. And minors to jail too, let’s investigate that. And why real murderers are about to be freed. That would truly make sense.

      Yes. Let’s investigate the people who released Samir Kuntar from jail. A man who mercilessly MURDERED A 4 YEARS OLD CHILD, by smashing her head against a rock with the butt of his rifle. That wasn’t collateral. And that wasn’t his only murder, only his most vicious. Let’s investigate that. That would truly make sense.

      Yes. Let’s investigate the people who years after expelling model citizens from their homes (the reasons and further consequences of that action is not discussed), let them rot and pay them no compensation. And let’s investigate the mental state or invisible force that lead some to say and state that Gaza is still “occupied” after we left that territory in 2005. That would truly make sense.

      Yes. Let’s investigate the people who cry the word “apartheid” every time they see fit or want justification for murder, and say they want peace while at the same time rejecting the implementation of a viable, sustainable and lasting peace ( that could grant civil rights to millions of people, as described in the “site” section of this comment), wanting instead to implement a massive collective seppuku (ceremonial suicide, with white kimono, new knife, poem… and the harakiri -autoslashing- part of course) as the only “peaceful” alternative to the current bloodbath. A “peace now” that would last two weeks, and after that *someone* would still profit from the next conflict. An investigation of this, that would truly make sense.

      It is ironic that the wise man who proposed that peace was a leftist, but by modern standards he would be called a “right-wing warmonger” Most people says they honor him, but they don’t. They don’t if they just say they do, they would if the actually *did* what he wanted.

      That would truly make sense.

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