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Israel’s UN ambassador puts another nail in the two-state coffin

‘Imagine the type of state [Palestinian] society would produce. Does the Middle East really need another terror-ocracy?’ Prosor said in a speech on Monday.

In recent years Israeli government officials have learned that rejecting the rights of Palestinians should always go hand-in-hand with a verbal commitment to the creation of a Palestinian state. But the consensus in Israel is moving toward the right, and Israeli officials are more explicit than ever in their rejection of Palestinian statehood or any form of equal rights for Palestinians, for that matter.

Since his appointment, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon has made it clear that regardless of any political solution, the Israeli army should have the freedom to operate within the Palestinian territory. Prime Minister Netanyahu insists that Israel maintain control over the Jordan Valley for an indefinite period of time. Neither demand leaves much in the way of a sovereign Palestinian state, with Ya’alon even admitting as much in a recent interview, in which he said that this “state” will actually be an “autonomy,” regardless of how people choose to call it.

Another such acknowledgement came Monday in a speech by Israel’s Ambassador to the UN Ron Prosor. Prosor attacked the European parliaments who are voting on the recognition of Palestine, dismissing the Palestinian issue as less important than the plight of other nations. After blaming Palestinians for celebrating and supporting terror, he rejected the mere idea of handing them their independence. Here’s the money quote:

Imagine the type of state [Palestinian] society would produce. Does the Middle East really need another terror-ocracy? Some members of the international community are aiding and abetting its creation.

Other nuggets include:

“Of the 300 million Arabs in the Middle East and North Africa, less than half a percent are truly free – and they are all citizens of Israel”.

“Israel learned the hard way that listening to the international community can bring about devastating consequences.”

And so on. You can read the rest here. The text is full of manipulations. Prosor claims Israel didn’t listen to the international community when it decided to withdraw from Gaza. In reality it was a unilateral move initiated as an alternative to the two-state solution promoted by the international community.

The speech, however, does capture the current mood in Israel. The two-state solution is simply not on the table anymore, nor is the idea of giving Palestinians their rights within Israel. For Ya’alon or Prosor, and certainly for Netanyahu, the status quo – keeping millions under a military regime without rights – is the solution. The world simply needs to accept it.

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    1. Piotr Berman

      Clearly, Prosor’s knowledge of Middle East is cursory at best, Lebanon and Tunisia being democratic, so his statements should be more restricted. “Does the former Mandate of Palestine really need another terror-cracy?”.

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      • Nova

        are gay people feel free in Lebanon?
        Can a news reporter in Lebanon critisies Hizeballa without risking his life?

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    2. Weiss

      Goebels would be PROUD of this fool.

      And yet another reason why I am Ashamed to be Jewish.

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      • Avdim

        It seems as if for you EVERYTHING is a reason to be ashamed to be Jewish…

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        • Weiss

          Believe me the list is long…

          Like I said ….

          Yet ANOTHER Reason why I am Ashamed to be Jewish.

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          • GilGamesh

            Well on this we can agree Weiss. I’m ashamed you are Jewish as well.

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    3. SHJ

      Noam: “In reality it was a unilateral move initiated as an alternative to the two-state solution promoted by the international community.”
      – If the idea was promoted by the international community and was rejected by Israel, it means Israel didn’t listen to the international community. who is the manipulator now? Israel should also be thankful for not listening to the International community as well as the left in Israel when they were pushing for peace with Syria.

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    4. turtle of doom

      I fear that they all secretly hope for a one-state solution, with the forceful expulsion of all Palestinians.

      I’m pretty sure that they’ll be doing this as soon as the right day has come.

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      • Brian

        It HAS to be their hope and their aim. There is no other way to explain the Right’s complacency. They are biding their time waiting for the right “fog of ‘war'” to accomplish the forcible transfer of the Palestinians.

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    5. Jan

      Israel NEVER wanted a two state solution. They only started talking about it when a two state solution, other than a few Israeli controlled apartheid South Africa-like bantustans, became impossible to achieve.

      Almost from the start of the occupation Israel began building settlements deliberately placed in such a manner as to ensure their control of the Palestinians. In 1980, in a discussion of settlements, an Israeli official pointed out that settlements would be placed near Palestinian villages and towns so as to preclude the natural growth of those towns and to ensure continued Israeli control and occupation of the West Bank.

      In the early 1990s while the Oslo “negotiations” were taking place then Housing Minister Ariel Sharon proudly announced that Israel would be creating “facts on the ground” and would be doubling the number of settlements. If I, as an American Jew, knew it was all over for peace surely the Palestinians and the Americans who kowtowed to the Israelis, had to know that as well.

      Today one only has to look at a map of the settlements, ALL illegal under international law, blanketing the West Bank to understand that the two-state solution is dead as a doornail.

      So meanwhile the charade of Israel wanting a Palestinian state went on and on while settlement building and expansion went on and on. If Israel had truly been interested in a two-state solution they would never have built any of the settlements. The truth is that they never intended to ever leave the West Bank.

      The Israelis have finally revealed their true intentions and I hope that the whole world is watching and takes appropriate actions, boycott, divestment and sanctions.

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      • Brian

        You are correct. There is no more conversation to be had. Appeals to reason and humanity are useless. This comment board is as good an indicator as any. BDS specifically intended and proclaimed to force a fair, humane two-state solution (not “to destroy Israel”)and backed by the EU in those terms and to whatever degree is obtainable with the pathetically captive US, is ALL that will be effective. Stop listening to the manipulative, deceitful whining of the Israeli leadership. Stop feeling irrationaly guilty and “even-handed.” Just do it. Enough.

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    6. Average American

      There is no place for these Palestinians, and anyone else who is not Jewish, in the great plan of Zionism: control of all of Eretz Israel for one exclusive race The Jews. The last time there was expansion based on racial superiority (The Aryans) it was “bad”. But now Zionism’s expansion based on racial superiority (The Jews) is “good”?

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      • Weiss

        Good for the Fascists on the Far Right…

        Bad for the Human Race…

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    7. Bruce Gould

      “Shira Robinson Explains The DNA of Israel” –

      The point is that Israel is trying desperately to break Palestinian resistance to Jewish privilege. And the most recent trick up its sleeve is an old one: to try to create a new nationality, to separate Christians from Muslims. But at the end of the day Israel will still treat them as Palestinian, as non-Jews. They will still be considered suspect. And that contradiction will not go away. It will not go away because the state rests on privileging one group at the expense of another. It’s very simple, actually.


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    8. Yeah, right

      This is an astonishingly un-diplomatic speech.

      Not only is Prosor insisting that the state of Palestine Must Not Be Allowed To Exist, but he is actually accusing any country that says otherwise of being A State Sponsor Of Terrorism.

      To be expected, I suppose, and the only interesting question is this: how was that speech received by the countries that were on the receiving end of it?

      I suspect the answer is that it was not received well at all, which rather begs the question of why the Israel FM thought it was a good idea in the first place.

      Israel, the Clown Car of the Middle East….

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    9. Victor Arajs

      The 2 state solution should be buried. Why should the Palestinian victim share with the Jewish thief. One Palestine from the River to the Sea. If the jews want to crreate another startup nation, they can go to Belarus

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    10. Richard Witty

      The two-state is not dead. It will only be dead when the minority populations east or west of the green line exceed 35% or so.

      Or, when the super-majority (70% maybe) prefer a civilist single state.

      BOTH are far away.

      Palestine as ally to Israel could be an expanding circle of democracy if pursued.

      It takes electoral efforts in Israel, now, vigorous, compelling, undeniable.

      Waiting for that, hoping that existing party structures and leadership will magically attract change, is idiotic.

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      • Pedro X

        The Two State solution is not dead, just comatose. Electoral efforts are likely to elect more right wing members to the Israeli Knesset. Right wing members are unlikely to make the sort of concessions which Olmert offered in 2008 which Abbas found so unsatisfactory. The Israeli electorate is still willing to vote for a two state solution on terms which provide security and an end to the conflict but they do not think this is currently possible given the state of the Palestinian electorate and the propensity of the Palestinians to resort to and glorify violence.

        Electoral efforts in the Palestinian territories is difficult to imagine since consensus of how and when to hold elections has eluded the Palestinians. Even if there were elections, any Palestinian running on a peace negotiation ticket would be considered a traitor. Simply put there is no electoral effort on the part of the Palestinians to obtain peace by making substantial concessions over what Palestinians see as their inalienable rights. In the wake of the Gaza war a PSR poll found that 72% of Palestinians favored transferring Hamas tactics and weapons to the West Bank. A large segment of the Palestinian electorate still dreams of defeating the Israeli state by violent resistance.

        The chances that the electoral scene in Gaza and the West Bank will change anytime soon are slim to none. Hamas and Fatah continue to dominate and control Palestinian politics and the media in each area. Neither has made efforts to prepare the Palestinian population for an end of conflict and substantial Palestinian concessions to get to a truly two state solution in which a Palestinian state lives side by side in peace with a Jewish state, with neither state having any further claims against the other. In fact the opposite is true.

        Hamas seeks the destruction of Israel and a genocide of Jews. Fatah pays salaries to terrorists and their families in reward for terrorist acts. Palestinian media glorifies terrorists and their acts. Fatah has a policy of non-cooperation with Israel, except for security matters which keep Fatah in control. Palestinians are more interested in attempting to have the international community impose a solution on Israel than in negotiating with Israel.

        Israel, the stronger power, is unlikely to be cowed into making a deal. Instead Israel will continue to create facts on the ground until Palestinians figure out that they need to negotiate a two state solution more than they need to hate Israel.

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        • Brian

          Your manifesto, eh? The Palestinians are never going to “figure out” that they need to capitulate to your fascist occupation of their land and people. Neither is the rest of post-Nazi-occupied Europe going to acquiesce in that forced capitulation. Better start visiting your beloved Europe quickly now before the visas get routinely denied.

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        • Richard Witty

          Electoral efforts mean articulating the philosophical basis pragmatic program proposal (comprehensive social) that can structure more effective internal and external relations.

          Nothing will change without first appealing to hearts and minds, then secondly electing more benign knesset.

          Other work is necessary simultaneously, but the emphasis on democracy has to be reminded, reinforced.

          Color-blind law protects all is the message, whereas any prejudicial law or norm, confines all.

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    11. Bar

      Excellent speech, for the most part accurate or very close. Other than taking offense at what he said, does Sheizaf have any evidence to the contrary? If a Palestinian state is established tomorrow, how long before Hamas takes over? Terrorcracy.

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      • Ray

        I like your Kissingerian logic. So America was right to side with Suharto after his coup, and overlook him killing probably over a million people; if not, Indonesia might have become a communist-ocracy.

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    12. Yeah, right

      Bar: “Other than taking offense at what he said, does Sheizaf have any evidence to the contrary?”

      Evidence against a supposition?

      Evidence against a claim that this-will-happen?

      Man, that is a tough ask.

      Here’s my supposition: it is inevitable that the IDF will launch a coup, establish a police state, and transform the Shin Bet into a 21st-century Stasi or Savak.

      A state ruled by terror, and as inevitable as night following day.

      Now, do you have any evidence to the contrary?

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      • Bar

        Well, I can point to history. It has never happened and has not come close to happening in the history of the Yishuv or of Israel.

        On the other hand, violence has been used by Palestinian leaders against Palestinians as far back as pre-1948. I can also point to the violent takeover of Gaza by Hamas. It so happens they took Gaza from the same PA which would control a Palestine in Judea and Samaria. This is the same Hamas that planned a coup several months ago before Israel took out many of the involved parties.

        So yeah, I have history behind my “suppositions” and you have hot air.

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