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'Israeli cellular companies paid to squat on Palestinian land'

The companies never even received permits to build antenna towers in the illegal West Bank settlement outpost of Migron, are now asking the courts to let them stay even after the settlement itself was demolished, Walla reports.

Stock photo of a worker climbing a cellular antenna tower. (Shutterstock.com)

Stock photo of a worker climbing a cellular antenna tower. (Shutterstock.com)

Israel’s three major cellular companies, including the franchisee of Orange, paid rent to Israeli settlers who illegally established an outpost on privately owned Palestinian land, court documents show.

For 12 years, Orange franchisee Partner Communications, Cellcom and Pelephone paid approximately NIS 200,000 to Israeli settlers in the illegal West Bank outpost of Migron in order to place cellular antennas inside the settlement, Walla News’s Shabtai Bendet reported Sunday.

Furthermore, the cellular companies built their towers without permits from the Israeli army, which is the effective sovereign in the West Bank, including planning and building issues.

The Israeli army demolished all of the structures in Migron earlier this year — save for the cellular towers — after a years-long court battle. The settlement itself was built on land owned by neighboring Palestinian villages, without permission and without authorization from Israeli authorities.

In other words, the three cellular companies, one of which pays franchise fees to a Paris based company that is traded on the New York Stock Exchange, paid rent to Israeli settlers who were illegally squatting on Palestinian land — for 12 years.

A photo of the cellular antennas built in the illegal settlement outpost of Migron, July 10, 2008. (Photo by Daniel Ventura/CC)

A photo of the cellular antennas built in the illegal settlement outpost of Migron, July 10, 2008. (Photo by Daniel Ventura/CC)

It should be noted that all settlements are illegal under international law, a near-consensus understanding with which only Israel disagrees. This settlement, however, was illegal even under Israeli law.

Last year, the French government openly warned its citizens “not to engage in financial activity or investments in the Israeli settlements in the West Bank,” Haaretz reported at the time.

Considering that settlements are built on occupied land, doing business in them “could lead to a high likelihood of land disputes,” the French warning read. In the case of Migron, that likelihood was a certainty, one that the cellular companies should have been aware of, especially considering the fact that they were denied building permits to erect their antennas, but which they built nevertheless.

According to the Walla report, not only did the cellular companies not obtain the proper permits to build their towers, they even ignored Israeli army stop-work orders and continued construction.

The three companies are currently asking the Israeli courts to allow their antennas to remain on the illegally seized Palestinian land, arguing that they are necessary for security, Walla reported. The State has offered them alternative locations for their cellular antennas. Newsletter banner

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    1. Baladi Akka 1948

      The French government is a bunch of hypocrits concerning the occupation (and not only that ….): it has warned French citizens of not investing across the Green Line but Orange is partly a public company. It was bought by France Télécom which has been partly privatised but 27% is still public. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_S.A.
      The BDS movement in France has Orange blacklisted for the same reasons. http://www.bdsfrance.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=45:orange&Itemid=99&layout=default&lang=fr

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    2. Gustav

      What? We evil Israelis deemed a settlement to be illegal and demolished it?

      What colonialists we are.

      We are amateurs compared to all the other colonislist states which established themselves back in the past. Yes, the Arabs too who used to live in the Arabian peninsula but took over the entire middle east and north africa. But now they whinge about us taking back a portion of our ancestral homeland and they call US colonialists.

      Oh well, this world has always been full of self serving hypocrites. And today, the extreme lefties are the trend setters in hypocrisy. Not that I like the extreme rightists either. But at least they are less hypocritical.

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      • Yeah, Right

        Gustav: “What? We evil Israelis deemed a settlement to be illegal and demolished it?”

        True. Israel is very serious about its colonization, which is why it is so very professional about the way in which it goes about that enterprise.

        That is precisely why it “deems” settlements that are established without its imprimatur to be “illegal under Israeli law”.

        Or, at least, that’s what it says when everyone is watching.

        Gustav: “What colonialists we are.”

        Well, yes, Israel is.

        This isn’t a gold-rush.
        This isn’t The Wild, Wild West.

        Israel is very serious about what it is attempting to do here, which is to colonize strategic locations within this occupied territory so that it can demand that those “facts on the ground” then entitles it to demand that this territory be ceded to it.

        It doesn’t want amateurs getting in the way of that objective.

        Israel wants to do this in as efficient and as planned a manner as possible, in order to maximize the chance of it winning the main prize, which is “annexation”.

        Gustav: “We are amateurs compared to all the other colonislist states which established themselves back in the past.”

        No, not at all. Israel is being supremely professional about this, precisely because it understands perfectly well that this is not the Age Of Colonialism.

        Everyone is watching, but they aren’t watching in envy.
        Quite the opposite, and so Israel has to do this softly, softly, catchy monkey.

        Israel can’t lunge at the prize, because then that will be snatched off it.
        Israel has to do this methodically. Professionally. According To A Plan.

        That’s why it “deems” these settlements to be “illegal under Israeli law” i.e. these yahoos aren’t coordinating their activities According To The Plan.

        Honestly, Gustav, do you know *anything*?

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        • Ben

          Gustav: “We are amateurs compared to all the other colonislist states which established themselves back in the past.”

          Yeah Right: “No, not at all. Israel is being supremely professional about this, precisely because it understands perfectly well that this is not the Age Of Colonialism.”

          This illustrates as well as anything the self-excusing conceits and manipulative, misplaced sense of victimhood that hard right wingers such as Gustav crusade with.

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        • Gustav

          more BS from [Yeah Right].

          There has been no war of aggression committed in the history of mankind which had no consequences for the aggressors if the aggressors lost the war. That is what happened to both Germany and Japan after WW2. Their borders were adjusted following the war. They had no say in the matter or if they did, they were ignored.

          Likewise with Israel. The Palestinian Arabs have been fighting a 100 year war of aggression against us in which they suffered military defeat after military defeat at our hand.

          Consequently, it isn’t colonialism if we take over some crown lands in order to make the so called 1967 boundaries more secure. Particularly since those boundaries were not even borders but armistice lines.

          But what can one expect from someone who treats two identical slurs differently? Our [yeah Right] has said (on this very thread) that if someone says …

          “You can’t embarrass an Arab” that is a racist saying.

          But when the word “Arab” is changed to the word “Israeli”, thus…

          “You can’t embarrass an Israeli” our [Yeah Right] claims that is not racist.

          Go figure. What credibilty does an individual like that have? He is biased from the top of his skin to the deepest marrow in his bones.

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          • Yeah, Right

            “There has been no war of aggression committed in the history of mankind which had no consequences for the aggressors if the aggressors lost the war.”

            Here we go again with Gustav’s patented excuse They Did It Then, So Why Can’t We Do It Now?

            Dude, the world changed following the end of WW2.

            Indeed, WW2 was actually **fought** over the very issue of whether (Axis) or not (Allies) “conquest” was still a valid doctrine.

            And, so sorry for Gustav, the side that said that “conquest” was no longer allowed won that war, and so…… from that point on everyone is “emphasising the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war”.

            Everyone except an Israeli, who thinks that conquest is still kosher.

            Everyone should mull the irony of that, because it is indeed thick with irony.

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          • Gustav

            “Dude, the world changed following the end of WW2”

            Dude, only in your perverted little mind. The reality is that the world has not changed. Only in one sense did it change. In the past, we Jews were at the receiving end of haters like yourself and we could not do anything about it. Now we can!

            You want proof that the world has not changed? Just look around. Since the Nazi and Soviet atrocities in the last century, we had the reign of the Khmer Rouge, Reanda, and now the atrocities of ISIS, not to mention Saddam Hussain and the Ayatolas of Iran and plenty more.

            Nothing new under the sun. It is the same old world. The strong prey on the weak, the hypocrites pretend to care but do nothing and only the strong survive. We got the message. We won’t be voluntarily wreakening ourselves just to please hypocrites like you, [Yeah Right]. OK?

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          • Gustav

            I posted a response here but it was censored even though it had no swear words in it. It wasn’t published.

            What the heck, I may as well vent my inner feelings from now on. I have nothing to lose. At worst they will censor posts of mine which will include colourful language.

            Who cares?

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          • Yeah, Right

            Gustav: “Who cares?”

            Well, heck, that’s the thing. Everyone cares, except Israel.

            The entire world fought a war because they cared to answer the question one way or another – is “conquest” allowed, or isn’t it?

            And, so sorry, but the side that said “the acquisition of territory by war” is now “inadmissible” shed millions and millions of lives to win that argument.

            Every country on Earth now accepts that concept. Except one.

            You know the one.

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          • Ben

            “..That is what happened to both Germany and Japan after WW2. Their borders were adjusted following the war. They had no say in the matter or if they did, they were ignored Likewise with Israel…”

            Gustav I used to labor under the delusion that you were right wing but Jello/Tomer was hard right wing, a true extremist. That is, Jello likes to tell us that the Palestinians just need to “unconditionally surrender as Japan had to.” As if this analogy is not bogus and quite offensive for reasons we’ve already fully thrashed out with that fascist. But I see that you and Jello basically merge politically when you strip away the veneer. It is good to dispense with delusions.

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          • Gustav

            You are laboring under lotsa delusions, Benny, if I were you, I would seek help for it.

            One of your delusion is that the unconditional surrender of Germany and Japan and the subsequent border adjustments which they were subjected to was bad for the world.

            Well then, Benny, wake up and smell the coffee. It wasn’t bad for either of them, nor for the rest of the world. They have not fought a single war of aggression since then and they are now both economic super powers.

            See? Sometimes it is good for people to get a wake up call which stops them from being militaristic. And if a small border adjustment is involved to help bring the message home, then what is so bad about it?

            As for your bosom buddy’s [Yeah Right]’s comment that the world has changed, tell him that he is delusional too and tell him to read my previous comment to help him to understand why he is soooooo wrong!

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      • Bryan

        It is incredibly simple Gustav, and has nothing at all to do with extreme lefties or hypocrisy. The terrible events of two world wars, featuring genocide, ethnic cleansing, starvation and disease forced the “civilized” world to change its ways: to form the UN and associated institutions like the International Court of Justice, to reform human rights legislation, to introduce the Fourth Geneva Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to renounce the acquisition of territory by conquest and to insist that occupying forces had a duty to protect civilian populations. At first Israel appeared to participate in this revolution, making extravagant promises about freedom, equality and justice in its Declaration of Independence, joining the United Nations and all the international conventions, committing to abide by the principles of the UN Charter, and initially in 1967 ruling that “My conclusion is that civilian settlement in the administered territories contravenes the explicit provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention.” (Theodor Meron, legal counsel to the Israeli Foreign Ministry, in advice to the PM of Israel). So whatever other colonialist powers did in the distant past (well over 1000 years ago in the instance that you cite) is utterly irrelevant.

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        • Pedro X

          You are wrong Bryan it all has to do with Arab extremism and hypocrisy.

          25,000 Israelis have been killed in the conflict with Palestinians and neighboring
          Arab countries. Over 24,000 of these deaths occurred after world war II and the introduction of the Charter of the United Nations. Jews legally lived in Judea and Samaria as well as other areas of Mandate Palestine during and after World War I and II. Their rights to settle, develop and make Mandate Palestine their home was part of international law unanimously approved by the members of the League of Nations in 1922, confirmed by the United States of America in 1924, and guaranteed under the Charter of the United Nations in 1945. To Arabs this meant nothing. They acted as if international law and the Charter of the United Nations did not apply to them.

          Despite the the UN approval of the partition plan and the UN Charter requiring member states to refrain from settling disagreements by violence and war, the Palestinian Arabs and Arab countries embarked on a war of destruction of the emerging Jewish state and a genocide of its people. Egypt and Jordan won territories by conquest in the 1948 war and ethnically cleansed them of all Jews. The UN and the international community did nothing to compel them to return the land to Israel to allow Jews to settle in these areas. Instead the international community allowed the Palestinian Arabs, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese and Egyptians to attack Israel at will between 1949 and 1967. In 1967 Israel liberated these areas in a war of self defense and Jews returned to live in these areas as was their right under international law. Israel tried to negotiate with the Arab states in 1967 but the Arabs responded with no peace, no recognition and no negotiations with Israel.

          Between 1968 and 1970 the Arabs continued a War of Attrition against Israel killing over 1,400 and injuring over 2700 Israelis. In 1973 the Arabs launched another war against Israel. Nearly 2,700 Israelis were killed in this action. The Arabs have engaged in unrelenting terrorism. They deny Jewish people a right to live in Jerusalem beyond the Armistice line or in Judea and Samaria and seek to ethnically cleanse these areas of 800,000 Jews again as part of their plans to form a state. They seek to make Israel another Arab state.

          Times have changed since the Romans expelled Jews into the Diaspora, since Spain, England, France and other countries expelled Jews from their countries and since the pogroms of Christian and Muslim countries over a period of 2,000 years. The Jewish people no longer live in Dhimmitude and are able to defend home and country. Jews are not colonists. As Winston Churchill said Jews are here by right.

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    3. Ben

      “necessary for security”

      See they doth caricatures themselves. LOL! We are reminded of what the American official said: “It is impossible to embarrass an Israeli.”

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      • Ricky Rocket

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      • Gustav

        “It is impossible to embarrass an Israeli.”

        A racist comment if ever we heard one. I would expect nothing less from the likes of Benny. Because according to the likes of him, all Israelis are the same. They used to talk the same way about Jews but now it suits their agenda to pretend that Jews are in. That they have nothing against Jews now. Only the Jewish state bugs them now. Hypocrites. Leopards never change their spots.

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        • Ben

          Oh please. From the angry chief paranoid with a PhD in self-righteousness and a masters degree in putting false words in people’s mouths. Everyone’s an anti-Semite who does not toe the line. Grow up. Stop playing the victim. Here, I was making a reference to an item in the mainstream American press. You’re ludicrous. Educate yourself:

          http://www.newsweek.com/israels-aggressive-spying-us-mostly-hushed-250278

          ‘… “It has been extensive for years,” a former top U.S. security official told Newsweek Wednesday after Israeli Intelligence Affairs Minister Yuval Steinitz, among other top Israeli officials, “unequivocally” denied the Newsweek report, saying Israel stopped all spying operations in the U.S. after Jonathan Pollard was convicted of spying for Israel in 1987. One anonymous official was quoted in the Israeli media as saying Newsweek’s account “had the whiff of anti-Semitism in it.”
          But a former U.S. intelligence operative intimately familiar with Israeli espionage rejected the anti-Semitism charge. “There is a small community of ex-CIA, FBI and military people who have worked this account who are absolutely cheering on [the Newsweek] story,” he said. “Not one of them is anti-Semitic. In fact, it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. It has only to do with why [Israel] gets kid-glove treatment when, if it was Japan doing it or India doing it at this level, it would be outrageous.” …

          … But no matter how stern the FBI’s lecture – usually delivered personally to the embassy’s senior intelligence representative – the Israelis were unmoved, another former top intelligence official said. “You can’t embarrass an Israeli,” he said. “It’s just impossible to embarrass them. You catch them red-handed, and they shrug and say, ‘Okay now, anything else?'”…’

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          • Gustav

            Oh please? How would this sound to your self righteous self, Benny?

            “You can’t embarrass an Arab”

            Is that racist or not, Benny?

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          • Ben

            Please note that Gustav just equated “Israeli” and “Jew.” The American official said “You can’t embarrass an Israeli,” and to Gustav that is the equivalent of “You can’t embarrass a Jew,” because in Gustav’s mind “Israeli” and “Jew”are the same. Because “the Arabs” and other non-Jews in Israel are all “the enemy” and are not real Israelis. They don’t really count. Gustav is tacitly peddling a racist definition of the state. And therefore, in Gustav’s mind, any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. Also note that Gustav and a plethora of other right wingers make all sorts of nasty anti-Arab generalizations but Gustav never ever calls that out as racist. Ever.

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          • Gustav

            Cut the BS Benny dear…

            I repeat my question. How does this sound to you?

            “You can’t embarrass an Arab”

            Is that racist or not, Benny?

            Note, I replaced the word “Israeli” in your sentence with the word “Arab”.

            Note: any half wit knows that there are non Israeli Arabs in this world too.

            Now are you going to answer my question? Or you are going to continue to obfuscate?

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          • Yeah, Right

            Gustav: “I repeat my question. How does this sound to you?”
            Gustav: “You can’t embarrass an Arab”

            *chortle*

            Hands up everyone who knows the difference between an ethnicity (“Arab”) and a citizenship (“Israeli”)?

            No, Gustav, put your hand down, you clearly do not know the difference.

            These are racist comments:
            “You can’t embarrass an Arab”
            “You can’t embarrass a Jew”

            These are not. These are cultural slurs:
            “You can’t embarrass an Egyptian”
            “You can’t embarrass an Israeli”

            There is only one person in this talkback who is making racist comments.

            That’d be you, sunshine.

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          • Gustav

            Thank you [Yeah Right] you admit that a slur against Arabs is racist. But the very same slur against Israelis is not.

            You know what that makes you? It makes you a racist. Because you take a group of one people and you apply a different standard to them than to a group of other people. In other words, you discriminate.

            And your basis for discriminating? It is simply that you hate one of those groups, in our case, Israelis, while you like the other group. No other criteria. Because you cannot possibly know ALL Israelis, nor do you know ALL Arabs. So you cannot possibly claim that all Israelis are not embarrass-able. Just as much as you can’t possibly say the same thing about all Arabs. So what do you do? You resort to playing with words. By calling one a cultural slur while the other you admit to be a racist slur. What exactly is the difference to all intents and purposes?!

            You play your usual games here, [Yeah Right] but you know very well that there is no single Israeli culture either. There are many sub cultures. For instance, some Israelis are Arabs. But you ignore all that and you argue for arguings sake. You cannot bring to admit that saying something like…

            “You cannot embarrass an Israeli” is exactly the same kind of slur as “You cannot embarrass an Arab” which you admit is a racist slur. Yet, if you look into it, modern Arabs, people who call themselves Arabs, are not a single race either. Go look it up, “Genious”!

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          • Yeah, Right

            Gustav: “Thank you [Yeah Right] you admit that a slur against Arabs is racist. But the very same slur against Israelis is not.”

            Honestly, I’m giving up.

            Does anyone else want to point out to Gustav that
            “An Arab” is an ethnicity, whereas
            “An Israeli” is a citizenship?

            Because, let’s be frank here, there is more chance of teaching a Cow to program a TV recorder than there is of teaching Gustav the difference between “race”, “ethnicity”, “nationality” and “citizenship”.

            He very clearly does not get it.
            He shows every sign that he will never get it.

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        • Yeah, Right

          Ben: “It is impossible to embarrass an Israeli.”

          Gustav: “A racist comment if ever we heard one.”

          Then you definitely haven’t heard one.

          The moniker “Israeli” isn’t a racial reference.
          It doesn’t refer to an ethnicity.
          It isn’t even a reference to a nationality.

          I know that for a fact, because the Israeli Supreme Court has so ruled.

          There is no “Israeli nationality”
          There isn’t any “Israeli ethnicity”
          There certainly isn’t an “Israeli race”

          “Israeli” is a “citizenship”, and nothing more, and that is at Israel’s own insistence.

          Therefore Ben’s statement is a cultural stereotype, it is not a racial stereotype.

          Honestly, Gustav, I’m getting the impression that you are never, ever correct on any subject that you offer an opinion on.

          Not hard to see why, of course, since you have been handed a hopeless brief.

          But, still, damn funny, and no denying.

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          • Gustav

            Poor old [Yeah Right] playing with words again. According to him it is ok to pretend that all Israelis are the same by making statements like …

            “You can’t embarrass an Israeli”

            It is not a racist comment because Israelis are not even human beings. We are nothing according to him.

            So he wants to neatly side step my question to his bosom buddy, Benny. What was my question …?

            My question was: “You can’t embarrass an Arab” is that racist or not? Well [Yeah Right] will you be man enough to answer that question? Or are you going to side step it too? It really is a simple question. Even someone with your limited intellect is capable of answering it, [Yeah Right]. Assuming you want to answer it that is…

            Here I’ll give you a bit of help. Go to the following site which gives a definition of racism…

            http://www.racismnoway.com.au/teaching-resources/factsheets/9.html

            “The Macquarie Concise Dictionary 1996

            Racism may be direct or indirect, individual or institutional: Direct racial discrimination happens when someone is treated less fairly than someone else in a similar situation, because of their race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin….

            ….. an unfair effect on more people of a particular race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin than others.”

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          • Yeah, Right

            Gustav: “It is not a racist comment because Israelis are not even human beings. We are nothing according to him.”

            *chortle* Gustav’s constant companion – Mr Straw Man – really does says some outrageous things, doesn’t he? I can’t understand why Gustav wants to keep channelling his thoughts… oh, wait, yes, I can understand it.

            Gustav wants to pretend that the words being mouthed by Mr Straw Man can be attributed to me, even though I never said those words nor ever expressed that opinion.

            I said what I said, and I’ll now repeat it for Gustav and His Constant Companion.

            The equivalent phrase to:
            “You can’t embarrass an Israeli”
            would be this:
            “You can’t embarrass an Egyptian”
            or this:
            “You can’t embarrass a Syrian”.

            The equivalent phrase to:
            “You can’t embarrass a Jew”
            would be this:
            “You can’t embarrass an Arab”.

            Sooooo, when Gustav sees this phrase:
            “You can’t embarrass an Israeli”
            and he retorts with this:
            “You can’t embarrass an Arab”
            he has, axiomatically, just compared an Apple with an Orange and then claimed that they both taste exactly the same to him.

            Or, short version: Not only does Gustav Not Know What He Is Talking About, but he can’t even comprehend what Other People Are Telling Him.

            Not hard to see why, since the only voice he appears to listen to is coming from that Man Made Of Straw, who lives only in his head.

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          • Gustav

            Sooooo Mr Idiot, yes, you [Yeah Right]…

            For your information, the word “Israeli” encompasses multiple cultures and multiple races.

            For Your further information (you moron) the word “Arab” too encompasses multiple cultures and multiple races.

            Yet in your inimitable biased way you pretend that the slur against Arabs is racist while the very same slur against Israelis is NOT racist.

            Thanks for doing that. It shows everyone (to normal people) the bias and hypocrisy of your kind.

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          • Yeah, Right

            I am (slightly) curious, Gustav.

            Do you have the faintest idea what is the definition of “An Arab”?
            Do you have the slightest concept of the meaning of “An Egyptian”?
            Do you have the ability to define what is meant by “A Syrian”?
            Do you comprehend the meaning of then phrase “An Israeli”?

            Do you, in fact, understand the old children’s song that goes like this: One Of These Is Not Like The Others, One Of These Just Isn’t The Same?

            Because I’ll give you a starter for 10: of those four phrases there are three that refer to citizenship, and one of them is a reference to an ethnicity.

            So, please, demonstrate to us all that you can spot the odd one out.

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          • Gustav

            Easy peasy Japanese, [Yeah Right].

            Egyptians call themselves Arabs. So do Yenenis, so do Iraqis, so do Palestinian Arabs.

            Next, stupid question?

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          • Ben

            Wow. He CAN’T spot the odd one out! Yikes! Ok, let’s try it again kids, “One Of These Things Is Not Like The Others, One Of These Things Just Isn’t The Same….”

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          • Yeah, Right

            The question that I asked was this:
            Me: “Do you have the slightest concept of the meaning of “An Egyptian”?”

            The (non)answer I got was this:
            Gustav: “Egyptians call themselves Arabs.”

            Everyone should note that this is not an answer to my question, since it is axiomatic that Egyptians are ALSO aware of their Pan-Arabic ethnicity, in addition to their obvious understanding of What Makes Them An Egyptian.

            But I didn’t ask if “Egyptians” are aware of their ethnic background.

            I don’t doubt – even for a second – that if you asked “An Egyptian” if he was “An Arab” then the answer would be “Yeah, of course I am”. I doubt that there is a single Egyptian who is ignorant of his Pan-Arabic identity.

            But that’s not what I asked. I asked what is meant by “An Egyptian”.

            Gustav: “Next, stupid question?”

            No, actually, I think I’ll ask the same question again, since you didn’t answer it.
            Q: Do you have the slightest concept of the meaning of “An Egyptian”?

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          • Ben

            Gustav: Absolutely not. Nothing doing. Your exercise in sophism rings false intuitively to any detached observer. But here is why, explicitly, it is false:

            Arabs are commonly understood to be not comprised of multiple races but to be a panethnicity. What is a panethnicity? It signifies related ethnic groups.

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panethnicity

            “Israeli” is commonly understood to denote citizenship, citizenship of an Israeli state that actually refuses to recognize “Israeli” as a nationality or a race or an ethnicity or a panethnicity.

            It is racist to derogate “Asians” (a panethnicity) while it is not racist to derogate “Americans” (not an ethnicity or a panethnicity but a citizenship and a nationality and a culture). Neither is it racist to say “you can’t embarrass a Moroccan.”
            But it is racist to say “you can’t embarrass an Asian.”

            It is not racist to derogate Israelis unless you think like Gustav–that is, unless you think that “Israeli” REALLY means “Jewish,” because Arab citizens of Israel don’t REALLY count as Israelis. That is, you have to fuse an ethnoracialtribalreligious concept and a concept of citizenship and/or nationality to conclude that “you can’t embarrass an Israeli” is inherently racist. I don’t think like that and make those fusions. So I was not racist in recalling, in a context where Israelis behaved shamelessly, that some American official said that “you can’t embarrass an Israeli.”

            To spell it out even further for you (god, why should this be necessary?): this is why you can sensibly speak of Syrian Arabs and Moroccan Arabs and Iraqi Jews and Moroccan Jews but you can’t sensibly speak in the same way of Moroccan Israelis or Israeli Moroccans.

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          • Gustav

            Hey STUPID, yes you Benny. I don’t play your or [Yeah Right]’s games.

            Is that a problemo for you?

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          • Gustav

            In the meanwhile, back at the ranch while [Yeah Right] is playing his stupid riddles, my original point stands. Here it is again…

            For your information, the word “Israeli” encompasses multiple cultures and multiple races.

            For Your further information (you moron) the word “Arab” too encompasses multiple cultures and multiple races.

            Yet in your inimitable biased way you pretend that the slur against Arabs is racist while the very same slur against Israelis is NOT racist.

            Well? [Yeah Right]?

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          • Gustav

            Arabs are not a single race as the reference below shows…
            “Race: While the term “Arab” does not refer to a particular race, the majority of Arabs are categorized as Semites, though Arabs include Caucasians, Africans, and Middle Easterners, with ancestral origins in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.Jan 26, 2015
            Arab – New World Encyclopedia”

            Arabs are not a single culture either. For example, some Arabs, such as Yemenis, Egyptians and Iraqis practice FMG (Female Genital Mutilation), while other Arabs like Syrians and Lebanese don’t don’t.

            So there, [Yeah Right] you have some explaining to do about why you say that a slur against Arabs is racist while the very same slur against Israelis is not racist.

            Mmmmmmmm, [Yeah Right]….?

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          • Yeah, Right

            Gustav: “Arabs are not a single race as the reference below shows”

            Good Grief. What is it with Gustav and his straw men?

            The phrase “An Arab” is an ethnicity.

            It isn’t a race.
            It isn’t a nationality.
            It isn’t a citizenship.

            It is an ethnicity.

            Honestly, Gustav, Do You Know Anything? Anything At All?

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          • Gustav

            Did you say “Honestly”, [Yeah Right]? Because if you did (and you did) then you are a fraud. Wanna know why? Because there isn’t a shred of honesty in you.

            You pretend that the very same slur used against an Israeli as against an Arab should not be categorised the same way, BOTH as racist slurs. And your reasoning is? Because you say the Arabs are an ethnic group but the Israelis are a nationality, or citizenship .

            So slurring an entire group of people, Israelis, who encompass different ethnicities, cultures and religions is not racist according to your dishonest self? But slurring just one ethnic group, the Arabs with the same slur IS racist? Care to explain that curious logic?

            I can’t wait for your next instalment of mental gymnastics and acrobatics.

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          • Gustav

            Here, put this in your pocket [Yeah Right]…

            “In British law the phrase racial group means “any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin”.[28]”

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

            So tell us again why a slur against Arabs is considered to be racist while the same slur against Israelis is not racist (sarcasm)?

            Waiting, … waiting, …. waiting …

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          • Ben

            So tiresome. Gustav I already fully explained this above. And Yeah Right has done so even more explicitly and far more patiently. You can wriggle all you want on this hook and spit all kinds invective while you’re doing it but it does not compute. Is Binyamin Netanyahu a member of “the Israeli race”? No. And his government absolutely insists there is no Israeli race or ethnicity (or nationality). Is Abu Mazen a member of the “Palestinian race”? No he is not. Is Abu Mazen a member of the Arab panethnicity? Yes he is. Is it racist to say “You can’t embarrass a Palestinian”? No it is not. Is it racist to say “You can’t embarrass an Arab”? Yes it is.

            All sorts of snide comments get made here about Arabs and never is heard a discouraging word or a peep of protest from Gustav and pals. But let an American official say “you can’t embarrass an Israeli” after finding one crawling out of the Vice President’s bathroom air vent and all hell breaks loose here. Oh!, the umbrage! Remember the holocaust! Nothing better encapsulates the double standard and the conceits you traffic in daily and are smugly unaware of. Too funny!

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          • Gustav

            The only two people wriggling here are you, Benny and your buddy, [Yeah Right].

            You two had no answer to the facts that I presented other than the equivalent of declaring that the earth is flat.

            Any normal people can read and check even the last few posts to reveal for themselves as to who has presented logical arguments and who wriggles around here and who is being racist and biased.

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          • Gustav

            An oldie but a goodie. Watch this amusing little Monty Python video clip about the Black Knight.

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw

            Doesn’t that remind you of Benny and the way he declared victory? Enjoy…

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          • MuslimJew

            “Doesn’t that remind you of Benny and the way he declared victory? Enjoy…”

            It reminds you of you. Pitiful.

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          • Gustav

            Oh, goodie, MuslimJew is back. I was going to give it a rest because you guys are so good at embarrassing yourselves. But since he is back, let me quote what Benny said…

            Ben:”Is. Is it racist to say “You can’t embarrass a Palestinian”? No it is not”

            Now let’s change the slur a bit…

            Is it racist to say “Palestinians are crazed terrorists and compulsive liars”? No it is not”

            Obviously that’s what Benny would HAVE to say, given his above opinion.Yet I lost count the number of times some idiot here accused me of being racist when he thought I said such things, even though I didn’t say such things…

            Mull on that, boys and girls…

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          • MuslimJew

            “You two had no answer to the facts that I presented other than the equivalent of declaring that the earth is flat.”

            The voices in your head presented no “facts” other than the equivalent of declaring that the earth is flat.

            “Any normal people can read and check even the last few posts to reveal for themselves as to who has presented logical arguments and who wriggles around here and who is being racist and biased.”

            Any “normal people”, as defined by a psychotic Israeli who wriggles and who is biased and racist.

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    4. Bryan

      Gustav says “A racist comment if ever we heard one” but tell me Gustav, did you complain when a racist comment was made earlier by a contributor called Gustav who said: “The Arabs … whinge about us taking back a portion of our ancestral homeland and they call US colonialists.”? And that same commentator had the nerve to complain about hypocrisy!

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      • Gustav

        Which bit of what I said was racist, Bryan dear? You mean the Arabs didn’t Whinge about Israel’s existence?

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      • Gustav

        If however, you mean that not all Arabs whinged about us taking back a portion of our ancestral homeland, then I apologize to those Arabs (assuming such Arabs exist). As regarding the rest of them, I stand by what I said.

        Have you any more problems, Bryan?

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        • Bryan

          Yes Gustav you are a hypocrite: “Arabs whinge” is exactly the equivalent of “Israelis cannot be embarrassed”. However you are far more than a hypocrite – you are an amoral brute. “Arabs whinge” is utterly distorted and lacking any empathy for others, like saying “the rape victim whinged about the violent violation of her / his body”.

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          • Gustav

            Christ. Everyone around here is stark raving lunatic. I feel like Alice in wonderland. Everything is bizarre and upside down.

            Bryan, you need help. Go see a shrink. But you are not alone on this site who needs it.

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          • Gustav

            … and if it was immoral for us to come back to our ancestral homeland and leave 2000 years of persecution behind, then you can call me an amoral brute, Bryan. But I am a live brute instead of a ghetto Jew subject to periodic pogroms, yes, even by the ones who you pretend to be OUR victims. I guess in your perverted world, aggressors who lose wars are victims.

            Keep on living in your wonderland, Alice, oops I mean Bryan.

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          • MuslimJew

            “it was immoral for us to come back to our ancestral homeland and leave 2000 years of persecution behind, then you can call me an amoral brute, Bryan.”

            Save your mindless hasbara for those too stupid to know that your “ancestral homeland” is in Europe, you psychotic, amoral brute.

            Or you can go back to your “ancestral homeland” in Europe and play the victim there, Euro-fake.

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          • Gustav

            What a little arse hole.

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          • Bryan

            You’re obviously getting a bit uptight about this whole thing Gustav, but relax – I don’t think anyone would hold it against you if you decided that defending the indefensible was a bridge too far and that there is more to enjoying the good life than simply earning your wage. So calm down, relax, stop peddling your drugs, and accept that defending war-crimes is not the only reason why we were put on this planet.

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          • Gustav

            Oh dear Bryan,

            You are a very confused illogical little man who is set in your ways and refuses to digest the obvious. Labelling people and maligning an entire people using simplistic arguments and ignoring counter arguments is a sign of a diseased mind full of hatred. See a shrink.

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          • MuslimJew

            “You are a very confused illogical little man who is set in your ways and refuses to digest the obvious. ”

            And you are a very confused illogical little woman who is set in your ways and refuses to digest the obvious, because Zionism has destroyed your brain. Labelling people and maligning an entire people using simplistic arguments and ignoring counter arguments is a sign of a diseased mind full of hatred. You are beyond help, you psychotic little hater.

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          • Gustav

            Yes Beny dear, LOL.

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          • MuslimJew

            “Yes Beny dear, LOL.”

            No I’m one of the many voices in your head, you psychotic hater, LOL.

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          • MuslimJew

            “Christ. Everyone around here is stark raving lunatic.”

            The Jesus in your head can’t save you. None of the voices in your head can.

            “I feel like Alice in wonderland. Everything is bizarre and upside down.”

            It’s the Zionism. And once the madness begins, there can be be no cure.

            “Bryan, you need help. Go see a shrink. But you are not alone on this site who needs it.”

            You are beyond help, sadly.

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          • Gustav

            Ben=Brian=MuslimJew

            How do I know? Everytime Brian tied himself up in knots and made a fool of himself, he summoned his alter ego, MuslimJew. Till he got sick of calling himself Brian and changed his name to Ben. And now that he made a fool of himself as Ben too. He summoned MuslimJew again. LOL 🙂

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          • Gustav

            Note, I am not talking about Bryan who is a separate individual.

            The Brian who I mention above, used to post here regularly till quite recently till he seemingly disappeared but in reality he re-appeared as Ben. What a clown, LOL 🙂

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          • Ben

            It’s half-funny, half-sad to watch a public mental breakdown like this. Whoever this MuslimJew guy is he sure likes to follow you around and get your goat. The paranoid thing you do–“you know how I know?!!!”–is to then see your “enemies” as “all connected!” Even though I hope and pray that even you realize it’s not logical. Take care of yourself ol buddy.

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          • Gustav

            He likes to follow me around? LOL.

            No Brian/Benny/MuslimJew, he is one of your alter egos.

            You summon him whenever you lose badly in a debate. He then serves as a distraction. To put lots of posts between the place where you made an obvious fool of yourself and the end of the thread. You know what that is called? It is called distraction and obfuscation. It serves you as a fig leaf.

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          • Ben

            Sure, Gustav, sure. Whatever you say. Take it easy there fellah. I’m rootin’ for yah.

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          • Gustav

            Yess Benny dear.

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          • MuslimJew

            “No Brian/Benny/MuslimJew, he is one of your alter egos.”

            No I’m one of the many voices in your head, you psychotic hater.

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          • Gustav

            Yess Benny dear.

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          • MuslimJew

            “Yess Benny dear.”

            No I’m one of the many voices in your head, you psychotic hater.

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          • Gustav

            Yes Benny dear

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          • MuslimJew

            “Yes Benny dear.”

            No I’m one of the many voices in your head, you psychotic hater.

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          • Gustav

            Yess Benny dear.

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          • MuslimJew

            “Yess Benny dear.”

            No, I’m one of the many voices in your head, you psychotic hater.

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          • Gustav

            Ok Benny dear I am bailing out now. You are beginning to bore me.

            Please feel free talking to yourself. So long little buddy.

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          • MuslimJew

            “Please feel free talking to yourself. So long little buddy.”

            Please keep talking to yourself, you boring psychotic hater.

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    5. Average American

      Israel is “The Jewish State”. Israel’s flag is the Jewish emblem. Israel employs Official Government Jewish Rabbis who decide civil legal matters. Israel was created as the home for the Jews. Jews are a race. So yes Israel = Jewish and Israel = racist. For example its’ not The United White States of America or The Islamic Arab State of Iran. There just happen to be a bunch of non-Jews in Israel that have to be gotten rid of or marginalized. And this has been the plan since the inception of Israel. Why kid anybody about it.

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      • MuslimJew

        “Israel is “The Jewish State””

        Israel is “The Jewish Terrorist State”.

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        • Gustav

          The Palestinian journalist Khaled Abu Toameh has written a blistering essay for the Hudson New York blog headlined, “What About Hamas’s Siege of Gaza?”. He reminds us that while the world bayed about Israel’s naval blockade, “Hamas [has continued] its reign of terror on the local population in general and its critics in particular.”
          What is that reign like? Well, here are some snapshots of life in Gaza under Hamas: on June 6, “A senior United Nations official… expressed deep concern at reports that Hamas has broken into the offices of [NGOs] in the Gaza Strip… confiscated materials and equipment, and forced the offices to shut down.”
          In late May, masked gunmen raided a UN children’s camp, tearing down tents and burning storage buildings. It’s not known who was behind those masks but earlier what the Irish Times called “a previously unknown militant group, The Free of the Homeland, issued a statement criticising [the UN] for, ‘teaching schoolgirls fitness, dancing and immorality.'” Hamas often uses proxies and has been attempting to impose strict sharia law. In April, as the same Irish Times article points out, Hamas sent “police to break up the Gaza Strip’s first major hip-hop concert [because, it said,] organisers failed to get a permit.”
          Toameh was born in the West Bank city of Tulkarm 45 years ago. He was thus able to observe Yasser Arafat’s rise to power and the accompanying loss of freedoms and prosperity as the dictator (who had hopped over from Tunisia) whisked foreign aid money into his personal bank account and took control of media outlets. When Toameh was slightly older, and to avoid Arafat rule, his family moved to Israeli-controlled East Jerusalem and Toameh was educated at the Anglican Church School in West Jerusalem. He went on to get a college degree at an Israeli university; nevertheless his first job out of college was at a Palestinian Liberation Organization newspaper. People are free to move around like that in Israel. I can assure you that you don’t see that kind of fluidity in the Palestinian territories.
          Because he speaks English, Arabic and Hebrew fluently, he is one of less than a handful of Middle East reporters who is able to attend Israeli, Hamas and Fatah press conferences without dependence on poltiically-motivated fixers for translation. What I’m trying to say is that he is as good a window into real life as you can find.
          It’s a shame there aren’t more Palestinian journalists who can write freely, but if they haven’t, in effect, escaped to become Israeli citizens, they live a life of constant harassment, jailings and beatings by both the Fatah and Hamas regimes.
          The point Toameh constantly makes in one way or another is that it is hypocritical to say you desire a better life for Palestinians and look the other way at Fatah and Hamas abuses.

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