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Is every Palestinian kid who throws stones a terrorist?

In a reality where children aged 10 and 11 are arrested by 18- and 19-year-old soldiers who have been indoctrinated for military service since kindergarten, this kind of discussion seems completely out of place. A human rights attorney spends the day at one of the occupation’s more bizarre PR events.

By Smadar Ben-Natan

Israeli Border Police officer detains a Palestinian child at a protest in Kufr Qaddum, January 25, 2013. (Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

Israeli Border Police officer detains a Palestinian child at a protest in Kufr Qaddum, January 25, 2013. (Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

“Involvement of Children in Terrorism.” That was the rather confusing name given to a conference organized by the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism (ICT) at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya (IDC).

What is the context for discussing the involvement of children in terrorism? What is meant by the word “terrorism?” Are we supposed to be more afraid of these children? Are we to condemn terrorism for the moral corruption of conscripting children? Do we try and help those children trapped in its claws? Should we punish them severely or have mercy on them?

The confusion only grew in light of the fact that the conference marked the fifth anniversary of the establishment of the Israeli Juvenile Military Court in the West Bank. The fact that minors in the West Bank have been brought before military courts for nearly 50 years should have provoked shame and embarrassment. Instead, the establishment of this court is a source of great pride for the military court system in the occupied territories.

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The session dedicated to the Juvenile Court served as yet another self-congratulatory event of the military court system. Its participants included President of the Military Court of Appeals Nathaniel Benisho, former president of the court Aharon Mishniot, president of the Israeli civil juvenile court system Galit Vigotzki-Mor and Deputy Attorney General Raz Nazari. The high-ranking members of the Israeli civilian legal system exemplified the extent to which the Israeli legal system is involved in the legislation of military law in the occupied territories — and in maintaining the occupation, including the facade of benevolence.

To avoid any doubt, trying minors in a juvenile military court is always preferable to trying them in regular military courts. However, both are terrible options that give us only the slightest glimpse into the unbearable life of children and teenagers in the occupied territories, which have been under a brutal military regime for nearly 50 years.

A pretense of distinction

Israeli border police arrest a Palestinian youth in East Jerusalem’s Shuafat Refugee Camp, file photo. (Photo by Tess Scheflan/Activestills.org)

Israeli border police arrest a Palestinian youth in East Jerusalem’s Shuafat Refugee Camp, file photo. (Photo by Tess Scheflan/Activestills.org)

But like its title, the conference did not deal with questions of juvenile justice; it dealt with the involvement of minors in terrorism. The opening lecture, delivered ICT founder and executive director Boaz Ganor, presented frightening videos showing children serving in the ranks of the Islamic State and the Nusra Front. Most of the discussion, however, dealt with Palestinian children in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, who are mostly involved in stone throwing and what is termed “disrupting public order.”

Ganor did make the distinction and said that not all stone throwing should be considered act of terror. Only actions instigated by a terrorist organization with the aim of achieving political goals count as terrorism, rather than spontaneous and independent actions. This, of course, is one central criterion. The important question that should have been at the center of the discussion, however, was immediately and intentionally overlooked throughout the rest of the discussion by all the speakers, who continued to discuss the violent protests in Jerusalem.

The cleverness of the conference’s title lies in the intersection between the problematic prosecution of minors in military and civilian courts alike — for offenses relating to the Palestinian struggle against the occupation — and the international discourse relating to child soldiers. The latter concerns the participation of children in any kind of hostilities, not only in terrorism, or in protest or resistance to oppression and occupation.

Culpability and exploitation

Evolving international policy regarding child soldiers does not distinguish between fighting in terror organizations and fighting in national armed forces. This policy seeks to keep children and youngsters from conscription into any armed activities, whether into taking a direct part in hostilities or indirectly supporting fighting forces, such as young girls who serve as wives or slaves for fighters — a phenomenon that has come to be known as “bush wives.” From that perspective, Israeli military boarding schools and pre-conscription preparations can be seen in a different light.

The fundamental rationale behind the prohibition against conscripting child soldiers is that these children are exploited, turned into victims, suffer acute psychological and social damage and cannot bear full responsibility for their actions as combatants. Moral judgment is not sufficiently developed at these ages (according to Judge Vigotzki Mor, 22 is the average age at which people are able to make sound moral judgments), and the dependence on adults facilitates the recruitment of youngsters into fighting and sometimes committing atrocities that would make most adults recoil. This combination of victim and abuser, embodied in the child soldier, makes the issue extremely complex.

The way in which the International Criminal Court (ICC) has chosen to deal with the issue is primarily by defining as a war crime the conscription of children under the age of 15 into national armed forces or actively participating in hostilities. Concurrently, the ICC’s authority only applies to people over the age of 18. In the Special Court established after the civil war in Sierra Leone — in which many child soldiers took part — the minimum age of criminal responsibility was set at 15. In reality, however, the court did not try teenagers under 18; instead, its efforts focused on adults who recruited those children.

Border Police officer chasing Palestinian boy at Jerusalem Day event, 2012. (photo: Activestills)

Border Police officer chasing Palestinian boy at Jerusalem Day event, 2012. (photo: Activestills)

Have such proposals been raised in the military court system? Apparently not.

In a reality where — although the minimum age for criminal culpability is 12 — children aged 10 and 11 are arrested by 18- and 19-year-old soldiers who have been indoctrinated for enlistment since kindergarten, this kind of discussion seems completely out of place. The UN Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflict presents troubling statistics regarding the situation in Israel and the West Bank, noting the large number of Palestinian children who are either killed, arrested, or suffer from inhumane and humiliating treatment. She further notes the worrying number of Israeli Jewish children who have been wounded, and IDF activities that are directed at or take place near schools.

Speaking about child soldiers and children’s’ involvement in terrorism sounds better than the oft-heard talk about heavy handed law enforcement against children who throw stones or disrupt public order. The total misunderstanding of these categories assists in creating this confusion.

Make no mistake, what troubles the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism and Israeli military commanders in the occupied territories is not the unbearable living conditions of children in the West Bank, East Jerusalem or the Gaza Strip, or even Sderot — living conditions that could lead to exploitation and cruelty. This is just another PR campaign for the fight against terror and the benevolent occupation, waged on the backs of children whom no one cares about.

Smadar Ben-Natan is a human rights and criminal lawyer, a doctoral student in the law faculty of Tel Aviv University, and researches Israeli military courts. A version of this article was also published on +972’s Hebrew-language sister site, Local Call. Read it here.

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    1. Baladi Akka 1948

      Cold Stone Justice by Four Corners, a documentary shown on Australian television in the beginning of 2014 on the emprisonement and torture of Palestinian children by the State of Israel
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5AkFlAeCHE
      “Who’s the terrorist ?” as goes the title of a song by DAM ….

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      • Baladi Akka 1948

        Ah ! ‘imprisonment’

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    2. Joel

      These youngsters are not terrorists.
      They are ‘child soldiers’, the practice of which is a violation of international law.

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      • Let’s pretent this was your childhood and lets say you were 12, you’d have known nothing but soldiers, settlers, death, loss of your home, family, friends, community, etc., I wonder how long it would take before you’d pick up a stone and throw it. I think if you’re honest, it wouldn’t take long at all. It wouldn’t take me long. Do you really think they are “child soldiers”. A little army of Davids against big bad Goliath huh?

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        • GilGamesh

          The fact is they are being used as pawns by a culture that glorifies children who put themselves in harms way for no purpose other than to score propaganda points. Those that support this children’s crusade talking place in the present are as guilty as those who supported the one that took place in the 13th century.

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        • Sluggo

          Marnie, give the Palestinians more credit. Infantilism not only is disrespectful, but it,provides,cover,for some atrocious behavior

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      • Then so is every israeli school child, indoctrinated from gan all the way through high school, then straight into the IDF before they have the chance to discover everything they were taught was utter bullshit and they are nothing but cannon fodder.

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        • GilGamesh

          IDF soldiers may be a lot of things Marnie but one thing they most certainly aren’t is “cannon fodder”.

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    3. phil

      @joel .. “child soldiers”.. have you been at Ginger’s meds again??

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      • Ginger Eis

        1. This is a serious subject matter and must be treated as such. Children must be protected from harm. So, Phil/Philos, quit acting like am imbecile and get serious.
        2. It is not in dispute that the juvenile delinquents in question are organized;
        3. It is also not in dispute that said juveniles were organized by grown Arab males who send them to go and kill or at least maim unsuspecting civilians either my stabbing them, slashing their throat, ambushing (fast) moving motorists with rocks, etc., while they (the grown Arab males) hide (as kids fight their battles) and take photos and make videos for Pallywood!
        4. It is equally not in dispute that ALL of the victims of these juveniles are babies of a few months old, children, men and women.
        5. It is furthermore not in dispute that said victims either met extremely violent deaths or suffer severe disabilities including being wheelchair bound for life.

        As Joel correctly pointed out, that’s a crime under International law. If you really care about Palestinian children (and not just in this because Jews are involved!), you, sir, must seriously work to prevent them from being sent to war by adult Arab males. That, Phil/Philos, is the MOST important FIRST step. Is that rocket science to you?

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        • Weiss

          Put a cork in it FASCIST

          YOU do NOT represent the Jews

          ESPECIALLY not THIS JEW

          YOU represent the Right Wing Extremists that are destroying Israel FROM WITHIN

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          • Ginger Eis

            Mr. Weiss, you cannot, and I mean CANNOT, refute my arguments. If you can, pls. do that. Right now all you are doing is stomping your feet and calling me names. I have neither the patience nor the civility to engage anyone who behaves as you did/do. So, knock yourself out with your rants, sir.

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          • Felix Reichert

            Your claims, especially claim 3, cannot be refuted? So prove them, then. Where are your sources? Apart from IDF propaganda, of course.

            I’m calling bullshit, as we’ve gotten used to from you.

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        • Felix Reichert

          This here is an especially hilarious jewel spewn from your hasbarist mouth:

          “4. It is equally not in dispute that ALL of the victims of these juveniles are babies of a few months old, children, men and women.”

          What else would they have been? Dogs? Horses? Cars? Assuming they were human, they must have been one of these four groups.

          But hey, let’s put the “babies of a few months old” first for some dramatic effect, because , of course, we’re trying to demonize Palestinians here, make them seem subhuman and okay to torture and supress.

          You know another fact?

          ALL the victims of IDF terrorism were innocent, disabled babies…

          …and of course non-disabled babies, and children, and men, and women.

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          • Felix Reichert

            It’s an undisputed fact!

            …and of course non-disabled babies, and children, and men, and women.

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        • andrew r

          You finally admitted, Ginger, that David Ben-Gurion was a war criminal. The Haganah had a youth battalion (gedud nuar or gadna) which recruited minors. Irgun also trained teenagers. The armed Zionists used child soldiers on the way to getting their state.

          Even though I was only a teenager, the danger did not deter me. (…) During vacations, we underwent live fire training and ground exercises. The lessons took place in a kindergarten located in Tel Aviv’s Florentine neighborhood

          http://972mag.com/a-letter-to-the-israeli-government-from-a-retired-terrorist/95720/

          The Gadna (Hebrew acronym for “youth battalions”) program itself, which had already been in existence since 1936, consisted of units between the ages of fourteen to seventeen where young men and women were trained in communications, signaling, etc.

          jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/haganah

          They dug anti-tank in Beit Vegan, Talpiot and Qatamon, established checkpoints all over the area and prepared the airport and the new road between Jerusalem and Bab el Wad (Shaar Hagai). These works were made after May 15, under constant bombardment, which killed about a dozen Gadna youngsters in the first month of the Arab invasion. Approximately sixty percent of all jobs in the city fortifications were made by them. Nearly 600 Gadna youngsters were recruited for these jobs every day.

          he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%92%D7%93%D7%A0%22%D7%A2

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          • And the silence from the peanut gallery is truly deafening.

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          • Brian

            Yes, a deafening silence. Things look different don’t they depending on whether one is on the giving or receiving end of an occupation. One’s perspective changes. Let’s remember that the next time someone goes into moral paroxysms over the uses of kindergartens.

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        • Bryan

          Ginger, knowing how remarkably well-informed you are, even omniscient, I wonder if you have access to any authoritative statistics that can differentiate between how many of the stones are thrown at innocent civilians,including babes in arms, going about their legitimate business, and how many are thrown at heavily-armed occupying forces and rampaging settlers. The impression one certainly gets from the soldiers international media is that stone-throwing appears to be a response to provocation – in which case moral responsibility for such incidents surely lies with the IDF. Indeed stone-throwing could be ended “at a stroke” by ending the occupation and allowing the Palestinians to get on with their lives peaceably.

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    4. Bruce Gould

      Around 2002 I briefly met Naim Ateek, who told me his boyhood memories of ethnic cleansing – ever since then I’ve been wondering what happened to the society that lived in what we now call ‘Israel’. “On The Side of The Road” is a new movie (2013) about what happened in 48:

      http://vimeo.com/65278501

      Former West Bank settler Lia Tarachansky looks at Israelis’ collective amnesia of the fateful events of 1948 when the state of Israel was born and most of the Palestinians became refugees. She follows the transformation of Israeli veterans trying uncover their denial of the war that changed the region forever.

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      • Ginger Eis

        1. Bruce Gould, you always post stuff that are OFF TOPIC.
        2. In posting stuff that are off topic, you COPY and PASTE the opinion of others;
        3. In posting off topic, while copying and pasting the opinions of others, you deflect from the current topic of the discussion and distract others.
        4. The above means that you – according to the definitions thrown around here – are a propagandist troll. Here is what I need you to do, sir,:
        a. Stop posting off topic (if I and/or others on the front for Fairness and Justice for Israel do what you always did and continues to do, we will called trolls and banned!);
        b. State YOUR own opinion; make arguments to support YOUR own opinion; use links as reference. That’s how to debate others. No one is here to debate your links!

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        • Bruce Gould

          The topic is the half-century brutal military occupation, and anything that helps us understand it is relevant.

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          • Ginger Eis

            No, the topic is: “Is every Palestinian kid who throws stones a terrorist?” It is about the rights of the child; it is about Israel’s obligations to Palestinian children; it is about Palestinian society’s obligation to its own children. Nothing more. Nothing less. That’s where you need to concentrate. If you really care(d) about (Palestinian), then lets have that discussion. Everything else is distraction!

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          • Brian

            Bruce, your links and comments are among the best. They add true substance and are always thoughtful and measured. They enrich this site. Of course you should not stop. It goes without saying, but I’ll say it anyway.

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        • This is an open forum. If you want to have control over content, you need your own website. Why complain? You weren’t banned when you suggested repeatedly I kill myself and ways that I could do it; made a list of what you think you know about me which were all unsubstantiated lies and vicious slander except for the fact that I have a daughter; regularly calling people imbeciles, and yet here you are, free to post all of that and more. I am amazed at the largess of the moderators here.

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        • Brian

          Eis, repeatedly telling a woman here to hang herself–and if that doesn’t work to drown herself, and suggesting useful techniques for such–is not off topic? Are you for real? Or are you a secret left wing false flag comedy schtick? You do such a good, satirical job of discrediting the Right wing mentality that all one needs to do is stand back and watch you do it. Presto. No further ingredients needed.

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          • Brian

            Marnie,
            Two perspectives on Ginger:
            1.She’s infuriated and lashing out because she knows on some level that the occupation is a sinking ship (setting aside for a moment the bizarre female competition issue for her that seems to be co-operative here). The harangues are memorable for their sheer craziness, like an especially twisted ‘Saturday Night Live’ or ‘Eretz Nehederet’ skit, but an interesting, and ominous, way to look at Ginger is to see her as the canary in the right wing coal mine. That is, she is just the unhinged, easily provoked “early responder,” but as the ship sinks further people on the Right with more self control will start to lose it too and lash out more and more, with craziness and violence.
            2.She reminds me somehow of the awful old grandmother in Flannery O’Connor’s brilliant short story, ‘A Good Man is Hard to Find”: “She would of been a good woman,” The Misfit said, “if it had been somebody there to shoot her every minute of her life.”

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      • Baladi Akka 1948

        In fact Ginger Ale’s rant encourages me to write what I’ve wanted to write for a while now: that your comments are always welcomed, and your links to films etc greatly appreciated. Thank you for standing by – not the side of the road – but by justice.
        Lia Tarascansky has also told how she was brainwashed into believing the Palestinians just wanted to kill Jews, and how she trembled the first time she spoke to a Palestinian….. on her campus in Canada.
        If you can grow up in Palestine without ever having any social contact with Palestinians, it’s a clear indication of Apartheid, isn’t it ?

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    5. Pedro X

      Palestinians have long used child soldiers in their cause. Palestinians have instilled in their children a duty to sacrifice their blood for the Palestinian cause. The use of child soldiers has a cultural legitimacy which results in a cultural expectation that Palestinian children must engage in the conflict and they do.

      During the 1936-39 Arab revolt the Higher Arab Committees raised a youth troop of children aged 12 to 16 to fight for the cause. The troop was modeled on the Hitler youth group.

      Yassir Arafat claimed he was a child soldier in the Arab conflict and he used Palestinian children as child soldiers up to the date of his death. In 1969 two thirteen year old Palestinian children threw grenades into the offices of El-Air. In the civil wars in Jordan and in Lebanon Arafat used child soldiers. In the 1982 war, Arafat sent Palestinian children armed with rifles and shoulder mounted rpgs to fight against Israeli tanks while he hide in Beirut.

      Children were sent to the front of demonstrations in the 1970s. In the first Intifada children of varying ages were used in many different roles, from standing in front of terrorists who fired live fire, from running messages, acting as mules carrying explosives, to throwing pipe bombs and Molotov Cocktails, to participating in shooting and knifing attacks.

      Matthew Kalman published accounts in 2000 during the second intifada of the PA forces picking up groups of Palestinian children in open area and transporting them to spots where there were active disturbances between Israeli troops and Palestinians. In the second intifada Arab militant organizations used children on suicide missions in addition to participating in all sorts of attacks.

      For example, in January 2003 two Palestinian children, one eight years of age, attacked an Israeli community in Gaza and were shot dead. In the same month two fifteen year old Palestinians were shot dead trying to attack another Israeli community. These were organized suicide attacks since the attackers were never meant to survive the attacks.

      In 2002 a 15 year old female in the West Bank was shot dead trying to stab a soldier at a check point. In August 2013 two Palestinians aged 17 years old blew themselves up in an attempted suicide bombing.

      More recently, in 2013 following the death of a Mr. Jaradat in Israeli custody, Palestinians planned riots, cancelled school so their children could participate, the adults collected and piled up rocks. Others stashed Molotov cocktails and directed children to hotspots by texts and other mobile communication.

      Palestinian terrorist groups have long groomed Palestinian children in the ways of violence and have recruited them to join their organizations and incorporate them into their organizations as they grow older.

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    6. Jan

      If a Jewish child in the Warsaw Ghetto had picked up a rock and thrown it at a German occupier and oppressor he woud have been a hero in the Jewish world. There might even be a statue erected to him in Israel.

      In Nicaragua during the uprising against the brutal Somoza dictatorship stones were the weapons against the army.

      Stones are the weapons of those without weapons.

      If Israelis don’t like stones being thrown at their occupying soldiers, soldiers who have no problem in shooting Palestinians, ransacking homes, throwing tear gas and skunk water then they should get the hell out of the West Bank.

      Or perhaps they would prefer that every Palestinian would have the same weapons as the IDF. Then it might be a fair fight. Today it isn’t. The IDF serves as the arm of the oppression of the Palestinians. They are the face of the occupation and the Palestinians are right to be sick and tired of the Israeli jackboot on their necks.

      Palestinian kids have evey right to confront their occupiers and throw rocks at them.

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      • Pedro X

        Jan:

        “Or perhaps they would prefer that every Palestinian would have the same weapons as the IDF. Then it might be a fair fight.”

        You forget that the Palestinians had a conventional army stationed in Lebanon. The Palestinians used their artillery to bombard Israeli children and civilians in northern Israel. The Palestinians had hundreds of T34 Tanks, in additions to other military hardware. Their army consisted of 18,000 soldiers and 5,000 foreign mercenaries and had the backing of 40,000 Syrian soldiers in Lebanon. The Palestinians used their army to terrorize southern Lebanon and to destroy Lebanese Christian cities like Damour where they committed a great massacre, raped, looted and desecrated Christian churches.

        In a three prong pincer movement Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 and attacked the Palestinian military bases. In a week Israel destroyed the Palestinians’ army. Israel killed one thousand Palestinian army fighters and captured 7,000. More than 10,000 fled the battle field for Beirut. Subsequently they and Arafat were driven from Beirut to Tunis.

        Many Palestinian fighters fought bravely in the ally ways of Sidon and Tyre but in the end they were no match for the well trained and well led Israel forces.

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        • Jan

          Here is a true story for you Pedro.

          In 1948 a close relative of mine was a member of the Jewish forces. I don’t remember whether he was in the Palmach or the Haganah. But I do know what he did and what the Jewish forces did.

          Under cover of night the well armed Jewish forces went into the Arab villages near the border with Lebanon. They burst into the stone houses and forced out every man, woman and child who were then forced to walk barefoot across the border into Lebanon. Anyone who tried to come back to get his belongings was shot on sight.

          I asked my relative why they did this. His response was chilling. “We wanted the land and we didn’t want them on it.” I didn’t ask my relative if he had killed anyone. I just didn’t want to know.

          Some of that land became part of the kibbutz on which my relative lived until his death.

          Several years ago I came across an archive of old photos from Israel. One of those photos had the caption “Breaking stones for a new road in (name of kibbutz). What were those stones? They were the stones of the homes from which their residents had been ethnically cleansed.

          So answer me. Why did the Jews have the right to throw out the people and believe that those people had no right to hit back at them?

          Furthermore, perhaps you are unaware that it was Israel that broke the ceasefire with the PLO in 1982. The ceasefire had held for 9 months but the war criminal Ariel Sharon was lusting for war. According to my relative, men and materiel for the attack had been coming up to the border for weeks as Sharon hoped for an excuse to kill at least 19,000 Lebanese and Palestinians.

          He got that excuse when another Palestinian faction made an attempt on the life of Shlomo Argov, Israel’s ambassador in London. It was bombs away for Sharon. The Israelis bombed homes, hospitals that had been marked on their roof with the a red cross and a red crescent, schools, apartment houses and even every orphanage in Beirut. I have a article from the Christian Science Monitor of Aug. 4, 1982 that describes exactly what Israel did to the last orphanage and how they lied about the reason for attacking.

          And, of course, how could you forget Sabra and Shatilla.

          Finally, the Palestinians would not have been in Lebanon, would not have been attacking northern Israel had they not been ethnically cleansed from the lands where they had lived for generations.

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          • The truth maybe will set them free. Thanks for your history lesson.

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          • Pedro X

            “Why did the Jews have the right to throw out the people and believe that those people had no right to hit back at them?”

            Military necessity required commanders to conquer Arab villages in order to deny Arabs bases on Israel’s borders and within Israel itself. The war of 1947 to 1949 was an existential war in which the Arab Palestinian Arabs, the Arab nations and the Arab League promised to destroy the emerging Israeli state and massacre its inhabitants. This followed in the wake of the Holocaust in which the leader of the Palestinian Arabs played a role and who intended to do the same in Mandate Palestine.

            The Jewish population had the right to take whatever steps were necessary to prevent the genocide and the military aims of the Palestinian Arabs and Arab countries. If this meant that many Arab villages were conquered and its inhabitants fled or as in some cases were expelled, it was part of the necessity of securing the Israeli state against the genocidal aims of the Arabs.

            In every sense of the word, the Palestinians caused their own Naqba by refusing the partition plan and then engaging in a genocidal war. To say that these people who engaged in this war to exterminate the Israeli state and its people have a right to revenge is perverse. They are only suffering what they have wrought upon themselves in 1947-49 and by their actions ever since. They had chance after chance to establish their own state but have eschewed those chances in order to seek revenge and end the Israeli state.

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    7. Speaking of the Warsaw Ghetto –

      Last of Warsaw Ghetto Survivors Calls for Rebellion Against Israeli Occupation

      by Richard Silverstein on April 9, 2013
      in Jews & Judaism, Mideast Peace

      On Yom Ha-Shoah, one of the few remaining living survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto, Chavka Fulman-Raban, delivered a fierce denunciation of evil and injustice, including the Israeli Occupation. Her speech was offered to guests at the ceremony of Beit Lohamey Ha-Getaot (the Ghetto-Fighters House).

      I’ve translated it based on the speech she uploaded to Facebook:

      There is a unity in this commemoration–70 years since the [Warsaw Ghetto] Rebellion. We’re also nearing the end of the Shoah generation and the last of the [ghetto] fighters. Most of you in front of me, you are the generations of continuity: the second, third and fourth generations. I have mixed emotions and thoughts about the past, present, and future.

      I will tell you about one experience from that time. Spring 1942. I was a courier for an underground operation. I arrived to visit my friend from the youth movement, Dror Bachrubishov, in occupied eastern Poland very close to the Nazis.

      I stood in the small railroad station and from the window I could make out, on a field next to the railroad tracks, a great multitude, thousands of men, women, and children. Overseeing them were Germans running wild on horseback. A few meters from me, through the window, I saw four boys digging a hole. The soldiers shot them and they fell into it. The next morning the field was empty. At night, the trains had gone on their way: to the camps, to death.

      Chavka’s family: her mother survived the war. Marek and Vuk died as resistance fighters.

      These were the moments at which I understood and which I feared: this is the beginning of the end. This is the Shoah. With this terrible truth, I returned to the Warsaw ghetto, to my family which remained there, to my comrades.

      The [Warsaw Ghetto] rebellion became for us [at that moment] necessary and clear. We continued educational activities and seminars, the underground school and newspapers. It was important to strengthen the sad, dying ghetto youth.

      But at this point, it became most important to find weapons sources. The deportation of 300,000 Warsaw Jews to Treblinka in the summer of 1942 strengthened us and determined for us that the last battle–the armed rebellion–neared. That it must break out.

      On April 19 1943, seventy years ago, the first rebellion in occupied Europe broke out–the Jewish rebellion. I wasn’t part of it. As a courier, I had been arrested during resistance operations in Kharkov and had been brought to Auschwitz a number of months earlier.

      All of my nearest, most beloved comrades fought from the rooftops, in the fires, from the bunkers. Most of them perished. I hurts me that I can no longer remember all their names. We memorialize only a few. But in my heart I am not parted from them, from the forgotten.

      Leave in your hearts and memories a place for them, younger generations. For the beautiful and bold, so young, who fell in the last battle. I wish for the thousands of you before me, lives enriched with love, beauty, laughter, and meaning.

      Continue the rebellion. A different rebellion of the here and now against evil, even the evil befalling our own and only beloved country. Rebel against racism and violence and hatred of those who are different. Against inequality, economic gaps, poverty, greed and corruption.

      Strengthen humanistic education and values of ethics and justice. These too are [a form of] rebellion against alcoholism among our youth and the terrible phenomenon of attacks against the elderly.

      Rebel against the Occupation. No–it is forbidden for us to rule over another people, to oppress another [people]. The most important thing is to achieve peace and an end to the cycle of blood[letting]. My generation dreamed of peace. I so want to achieve it. You have the power to help. All my hopes are with you. If only [you could].

      I am so proud to share a religion and ethnic identity with this woman. She represents the best of all that is Jewish. She represents the best of all that is Israeli.

      What an amazing speech by a heroic God-fearing woman.

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    8. Gustav

      “No–it is forbidden for us to rule over another people”

      I don’t know about her, but speaking for myself, I would rather rule over another people than being ruled over by those people or worse.

      Of course, in ideal world, they could rule themselves and we could rule ourselves. But this isn’t an ideal world and the other people are not offering us that choice.

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    9. Ginger Eis

      This is the heartbreaking reality of Palestinian children. This is how Palestinian children are being used and sent to their deaths by their own People. This is the tragedy +972mag columnists, the hypocrites and the anti-Semites here won’t address (they rather drag the Shoah into the discussion for the sake of caricature!). This is the height of immorality. Anyone who is not disturbed by stuff like this is not human! Plain and simple. Protect the children!

      Watch. And weep! No kidding here.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByWWp5cwlso&index=14&list=PLUxY9VpFIrj5HkLNfKwBaTlRLlc0Ls8IV

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    10. Video is from an assortment entitled “Popular Pallywood Videos”, not from MSNBC, RT, Aljazeera or even Faux News. I think it has the credibility of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (which means zero credibility for some of you).

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      • Ginger Eis

        Not just manic, but incurably psychotic!

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        • You’re a Godless woman.

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        • Felix Reichert

          “Not just manic, but incurably psychotic!”

          Nice to see at least some form self-inspection from you, Ginger.

          …and of course non-disabled babies, and children, and men, and women.

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          • Ginger Eis

            Felix Reichert, I know it takes me to wake up the ilk of yourself from slumber. Even if you are dead and cold, hearing the name Ginger Eis will resurrect you folks and catapult you back to life. Now, Felix, here are what I need you to do: (a) calm down (right now you are incoherently all over the map), (b) remember that the subject of discussion is ‘Palestinian children, their rights and the obligations to them by the State Of Israel and the Palestinian leadership/society and (c) present your opinions/arguments as to what can be done to protect those children. That’s ALL I am willing to talk about – unless you care about those children ONLY when you can pin the blame on Jews. But if you want to talk ’bout me Ginger, go ahead and knock yourself out! But I won’t respond.

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          • Brian

            Felix, you could look at it this way. At least she’s not providing instructions on your suicide by drowning. On a 10-point scale of public behavior (1 = horrifying, 10 = minimally acceptable) she’s moved from a 1 to a 2. Things are looking up.

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          • Gustav

            Why exactly do you think you are so funny Brian?

            Then again, you probably are. You are funny in the head. I thought you might appreciate this comment since you seem to appreciate the childish comments of your idiotic cronies (get it? Idiotic …) you seem to be fond of that word, so I hope it doesn’t rile you when I describe you and your co-religionist lefties that way …

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          • Brian

            Ehhh, What’s up, doc? Huntin’ wabbits? He went dataway! ==>

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          • Gustav

            What a feeble attempt at humor again. Childish even …

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          • Brian

            It’s something about you always hunting for me, taking aim, BLAM!, and missing. Watch Looney Tunes. You have to get the imagery. Anyway, it’s not my job to entertain you.

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          • Brian

            To be clear, there is nothing funny whatsoever in urging someone to commit suicide.

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      • GilGamesh

        yes the Protocols of the Elder of Zion have zero credibility for some of us ( I notice you don’t include yourself in that number, hmmm), but unlike the protocols this is actual evidence of the callous ways these children are being used. Incredible to see adults there to record this stuff while the smallest children are the ones made to put their selves in danger. Shameful.

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    11. (I notice you don’t include yourself in that number, hmmmm). Nothing gets past you huh Sherlock?

      If you’re into this particular brand of porno, make some popcorn, get a good lubricant and go at it.

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      • Ginger Eis

        Eeeeew, manic Marnie, you are not just manic and psychotic, but also full of filth. Puke!

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        • Hey bitch.

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        • Let’s see, telling someone to jerk off bad and “eeeeew”

          This is good ?

          Ginger Eis
          Sunday
          October 26, 2014

          They sell very strong, yet extremely cheap ropes in the supermarkets. Buy one and go hang your useless self!

          Ginger Eis
          Tuesday
          October 28, 2014

          No one could have described you and your ilk better than you just did. Priceless! You see manic marnie, this obsession with Jews is eating you away from inside and will ultimately destroy your spirit. It doth seem, marnie, that you are getting even more manic as the days go by and I am almost sure that you will hang yourself soon. Have you bought the ropes yet – as I advised you earlier?

          Why Ginger, you’re positively quaint.

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      • GilGamesh

        way to get out of actually responding to the video. One calls someone Sherlock when they state the obvious, sorry if I didn’t know that it is common knowledge you believe the Elders forgery is real.

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        • The titles “Popular Pallywood Video” was all I needed to see Sherlock. The schlock and awe nonsense is something I won’t view, no matter how much Watch! and Weep! demands it. Get back to whatever was keeping your hands busy.

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          • GilGamesh

            why are you so obsessed with masturbation Marnie?

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          • GilGamesh

            also you are a fraud, when presented with evidence that refutes your claim you call names and make excuses.

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          • I’m a fraud? “Also you are a fraud, when presented with evidence that refutes your claim you call names and make excuses.”?

            GilGamesh? I’m a fraud huh. Okay. I don’t agree with any of you boys/girls/whatevers and I don’t have to resort to name calling either. The “video” is too stupid to view. Pallywood – seriously? Did you read Larry’s piece about Pallywood?

            I suggested you jerk off because that’s what porno makes people want to do and anything “Pallywood” is porn for the zionist right.

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          • GilGamesh

            How can you possibly say the video is stupid without watching it. Something tells me you did watch it and since you can’t refute it you resort to silly personal attacks. Violence is not porn for me but apparently it has a connection for you. Please don’t project your own fetishes on to me. Or is doing that another one of your fetishes?

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          • andrew r

            Something tells me you did watch it and since you can’t refute it you resort to silly personal attacks.

            A few days ago I posted some links above illustrating how the Haganah and Irgun used child soldiers. You and Ginger in particular did not say anything. Probably because your side was caught red-handed behaving in a barbaric fashion similar to how you accuse the Palestinians, and there is nothing you can say.

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    12. Yeah, right

      “Only actions instigated by a terrorist organization with the aim of achieving political goals count as terrorism, rather than spontaneous and independent actions.”

      Such an… odd… definition, and more than a little bit, ahem, circular in its “logic”.

      Especially so when the “action” lacks one of the essential requirements for “terrorism” i.e. the conspicuous lack of an attempt at instilling “terror” in anyone.

      Unless, of course, you want to argue that an IDF soldier can be “terrorized” by having stones thrown at him.

      Precious indeed. Who knew IDF soldiers were so sensitive?

      But, really, under that definition street theatre and/or mime acts are “terrorism” provided that:
      a) it carries a political message
      b) it was organized by Hamas.

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    13. Bryan

      Interesting comment: “Moral judgment is not sufficiently developed at these ages (according to Judge Vigotzki Mor, 22 is the average age at which people are able to make sound moral judgments)”

      Thus Israeli male conscription (3 years beginning at age 18, though there are a large number of ways of gaining deferral), means that the average Israeli occupier is unable to make moral judgements, but is impressionable, malleable and incapable of questioning the morality of orders. Twenty-two is of course only an average, so many of the older officers have also so far failed or will never achieve moral discrimination. That, no doubt, explains why the occupation is as it is.

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    14. Lo

      shorter Israeli public and media:

      Yes.

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    15. Piotr Berman

      http://www.todayszaman.com/interviews_stone-throwing-children-turkish-kids-would-be-traumatized-by-our-story_197374.html#

      It is worthwile to compare similar situations in other countries. The above link is the top on today’s web search about stone throwing children in Turkey. I made a search because about a year ago I stumbled upon a new item about parliamentary debate in Turkey how to reduce criminal penalties on stone throwing children, apparently thousands of them were in prisons.

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