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How the Israeli media covers massacres: Lessons from 1953

The killing was justified, the terrorists hid among the civilian population, the West is anti-Semitic, and on second thought, perhaps the whole thing never actually happened. From the 1953 Qibya massacre to Operation Protective Edge, the Israeli media is the same media, and the lies the same lies.

By John Brown

At 9:30 p.m. on the night of October 14, 1953, soldiers from Israel’s Paratroopers Unit as well as Commando Unit 101 fired mortars at the West Bank villages (then under Jordanian control) of Qibya and Ni’lin. Following the barrage, over 130 soldiers swarmed Qibya, laying down land mines on the outskirts of the village in order to prevent Jordanian troops from accessing it. Israeli forces then destroyed 45 homes and killed 69 people, most of them in cold blood by throwing grenades, including those who attempted to flee for their lives. Many were killed under the rubble of their own homes. Approximately two thirds of those killed were women and children. The soldiers received the following order from then-commander Ariel Sharon: “The intention: Attack and conquer the village of Qibya, with maximum damage to humans and property.” The massacre took place in the wake of the murder of three Israelis in the Israeli town Yehud.

Israeli newspapers quoted Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion when reporting that the massacre was committed by “settlers living on the border, some of them lived through Nazi concentration camps, while others are immigrants from Muslim countries, where the tradition of revenge is strong… and their patience ran out. No one will be more sorry than the Israeli government should it turn out that innocent blood was spilled in the revenge attack. The Israeli government vehemently rejects the outlandish and fantastical versions of the story, which claim that Israeli soldiers took part in the operation against Qibya. We examined the issue, and found that not a single military unit was missing from its base on the night of the attack on Qibya.” The Davar daily added that Ben-Gurion’s speech was delivered “from the heart of every Israeli” and that “Arab states are granting refuge to Nazi criminals.” Ben-Gurion would later repeat that very same lie in the Knesset.

Inhabitants of Qibya coming back in their village after its attack by israeli forces, October 1953. (photo:

Inhabitants of Qibya coming back in their village after its attack by israeli forces, October 1953. (photo: unknown)

The newspaper reports from October 1953 are incredible both in terms of the lies they tell, as well as how similar they are to today’s stories. And all this despite the fact that the editors were well aware of reports from around the world that pointed the finger at the Israeli army. They were also aware of the simple logic that the scope of the killings and damage in the village, along with the coordinated efforts in Ni’ilin must have been the work of a well-trained military unit. And yet the spiritual forefathers of Channel 2’s military correspondent Roni Daniel and his ilk still chose to cover up the massacre while justifying it.

After invoking the Holocaust, they used just about everything in their arsenal to try and debunk the claim. The following quotes can be found in Benny Morris’ article “The Israeli Press and the Qibya Operation, 1953,” as well as the National Library of Israel.

Did it even happen? Perhaps Hamas killed them

On October 18th, the editor-in-chief of the Ma’ariv daily, Dr. Azriel Carlibach, wrote the following: “The Security Council will surely condemn Israel over the Qibya incident. But what actually took place in Qibya? Our main argument is that the incident was never investigated by a neutral and objective party.

“Unlike in Yehud, where UN observers did not even visit the Arab village that ostensibly ‘was erased from the face of the earth.’ They did not check nor count the number of people killed there – and we cannot even speak of fifty victims. And they didn’t even bother themselves to investigate who the attackers were, and whether IDF units were even involved in the incident. All Western governments… unquestionably believed the description of… Radio Ramallah, with its exaggerative, Oriental imagination. The station said that ‘half an IDF battalion’ participated in the operation. Where are their tracks and who saw them? Western powers have knowingly bought into Arab propaganda.”

Everything Carlibach wrote is a lie. The UN visited the village, counted the dead and collected testimonies regarding the IDF’s involvement.. Radio Ramallah’s report was accurate.

Look at what’s happening in Syria

On October 19th, in the wake of global condemnation, the Herut daily published the following: “How many innocent Kenyans were killed in cold blood by armed British soldiers as a response to terrorist attacks? In any event, there is no… basis to the claim that the attack was committed by IDF forces. Would anyone be surprised if it turns out that the Israelis on the border became fed up with seeing those who want them dead crossing the borders?”

The anti-Semitic West

On October 19th, Davar published the following: “Therefore we are astounded by the activity [of world powers], especially during these days in the wake of the great commotion by Arab countries after the explosions and victims in the Arab village over our border. No mention of the mother and her two children who were murdered in Yehud, nor all the others who were killed… those did not upset the politicians.”

The killing was justified since the terrorists hid among the civilian population

On October 18, Ma’ariv wrote that “Qibya served as the headquarters of Hassan Salame, one of the heads of the “gangs” during the Arab Revolt in 1937.” This is a lie. The following day, Ma’ariv published an article on page two titled “Israel’s Hasbara is Lacking.”

The only places one could read trustworthy accounts of the incident were in the Communist Party’s Kol Ha’am newspaper, as well as in Uri Avnery’s Ha’Olam Haze. After publishing his account, Avnery was ambushed and had both of his arms broken.

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Although the lies were revealed over time, not a single person involved in the massacre or its cover up was ever tried. Some of them, like those from Unit 101, turned into cultural assets. Ariel Sharon became prime minister, and a different commander, Meir Har Zion, became an Israeli hero on whose principles today’s commanders are being raised. It is important to remember this the next time you hear someone talking about how Palestinians glorify their terrorists, especially because the Qibya massacre is up there with the worst of Palestinian terror attacks.

It is difficult to guess whether truthful reporting on the massacre would have changed this ethos. Perhaps not. But there is no doubt that the journalists of the time betrayed their profession – a betrayal that, when it comes to the IDF and its operations, continues until this very day. A betrayal that perpetuated the endless cycle of violence in the region, and has allowed IDF commanders to operate unhindered, without legal or public oversight.

A Palestinian child with a kite stands in front of the destroyed Al Nada towers in Beit Hanoun, northern Gaza Strip. The towers had 90 flats.

A Palestinian child with a kite stands in front of the destroyed Al Nada towers in Beit Hanoun, northern Gaza Strip. The towers had 90 flats.

The media adopts the lies of the state, allowing crimes to be committed until this very day. It actively labels all those who attempt to report the truth as “traitors” or “delusional liars,” thus creating a public ignorant to its own reality – one that dooms itself to a cycle of bloodletting that ends in military solutions – the same ones that are always deployed in the name of security.

Despite the disinformation, whoever wanted to know what happened in Qibya in ’53 or in Operation Protective Edge could have found out. Yeshayahu Leibowitz wrote the following after Qibya:

There is a Jewish aspect to the Qibya incident; it is not a moral problem, but rather an entirely religious one. We must ask ourselves: where does this teenager come from, the one who has no qualms about committing such an atrocity, when was he pushed from within or without to commit revenge? The teen, after all, is not part of the rabble, but rather someone who grew ip and was educated on Zionist principles, alongside human and societal values.

John Brown is the pseudonym of an Israeli academic and blogger. This article was first published on +972′s Hebrew-language sister site, Local Call. Read it in Hebrew here.

Related:
For Palestinian citizens, 1956 massacre is not a distant memory
His finest hours: On Sharon’s murderous legacy

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    1. Ginger Eis

      The Muslim-Arabs have finally learnt that war with Israel is bad, bad news. When it finally sinks into their psyche that most of the world is sick and tired of the conflict and could care less about whatever injury they may suffer in their quest to throw the Jooz into the sea, they will finally accept “the peace of the brave” as their father Yasser Arafat likes to put it.

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    2. Ginger Eis

      The photo above shows the “Inhabitants of Qibya coming back in their village after its attack by israeli forces, October 1953. (photo: unknown)”

      Really?! But according to +972mag, their Foreign Paymasters and the Coalition Of Hate against Israel (an umbrella group of the global far left, the global Jihad, the neo-Nazis and Western closet anti-Semites), the village of Qibya (among others) was ethnically cleansed and its inhabitants “genocided”? How come the same inhabitants went back to that same village? Imagine that!

      And is the author of this story willing to share with his readers the full story of Qibya – instead of half of the story that is not only one-sided but contains also inaccuracies?

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    3. Josh

      Always funny to see how on an article, which exactly explains the same old lies told by Israel over and over again, immediately one of the right wing trolls appear and try the repeat the same and more lies that were just debunked.
      You can’t change history with lies, as much as you try it, clowns…..

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      • Ginger Eis

        What an imbecile, you are, Josh!

        (a) Before the IDF operation in Qibya, hundreds of Israelis have been massacred by Arab militiamen from Qibya;

        (b) only 69 Arab civilians were unintentionally killed in the Israeli counter terrorist operation.

        (c) Your Muslim-Arab brothers always start a war. But when they get their ass kicked, they cry like babies and spread lies about massacres.

        That, sir, is the history. We know that history. You and your Muslim-Arab brethren won’t succeed in rewriting it. Got it, little Josh?!

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        • Paul

          No, some of us are just sick of the constant pathological lying that emanates endlessly from your kind.

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        • Bryan

          “What an imbecile, you are, Josh!” Prime evidence of the pot calling the kettle black.

          “(a) Before the IDF operation in Qibya, hundreds of Israelis have been massacred by Arab militiamen from Qibya;” If this was so then why did the apologists for the reprisal not make this point, but instead use the typical hasbara that it was all Arab propaganda?

          “(b) only 69 Arab civilians were unintentionally killed in the Israeli counter terrorist operation.” Only 69 civilians is of course small beer compared to Gaza 2014, but it is sad that this is the only valid point you can make in defence of the IDF – 69 slain civilians is always 69 too many. Sharon’s orders convincingly demonstrate that there was absolutely no “unintentional killing” of civilians.

          “(c) Your Muslim-Arab brothers always start a war. But when they get their ass kicked, they cry like babies and spread lies about massacres.” This is playground fighting talk, but that a wise, well-informed, principled, logical and rational supporter of Israel needs to fall back on such nonsense indicates your moral bankruptcy. You have convincingly demonstrated that you are the imbecile!

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    4. Josh

      Nope. We don’t listen to rightwing history forgers and their lies.
      You’re nothing more more than a jewish David Irving, Get it.

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    5. Bruce Gould

      Benny Morris is an interesting guy. On the one hand (as far as I can figure out), he beleives the Palestinians are almost human, and on the other hand he seems to have a compulsion to tell the truth. This is from a 2004 Ha’aretz:

      http://www.haaretz.com/survival-of-the-fittest-1.61345

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    6. Noe

      Interesting article.

      However, the author makes claims which he doesn’t prove. What does it mean that “whoever wanted to know what happened in Qibya in ’53 or in Operation Protective Edge could have found out?” Those are simply words. Some of us were visiting multiple news sites, reading newspapers, visiting blogs, etc. and so what big mystery about the recent operation don’t we know? That many of the “civilians” were actually combatants?

      As for the newspaper reactions back then and today, they share some similarities but many dissimilarities. For example, in both periods you see skepticism toward international bodies and governments. Is the author claiming that such bias doesn’t exist? If anything, Israeli news sources should be far more reluctant to accept the word of any UN agency these days after 60 years of bias.

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    7. phil

      @Ginger Eis, before you go calling other folk imbeciles, you should at least have your facts straight

      Israeli Ministry for Foreign Affairs say that, in the 3 years preceeding the events at Qibya, the Israeli death toll from cross border attacks was less than 60

      http://bit.ly/1pykP1T

      Whereas the death toll on the Jordanian side was over 600 in the same period

      http://bit.ly/1vOhMYI

      So much for your facts.. Either you’re the imbecile, as you can’t do some simple fact checking, or you’re deliberately lying little ginger

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      • Ginger Eis

        YOUR source states as follows:

        “After the War of Independence, Arab terrorism expanded in scope. In 1952, when ‘fedayeen’ terrorist border incursions reached their height, there were about 3,000 incidents of cross-border violence, extending from the malicious destruction of property to the brutal murder of civilians. This anti-Israeli violence encompassed both frontier settlements and population centers, and was perpetrated, for the most part, against innocent civilians, most of them new immigrants. In conclusion, the oft-repeated Arab claim that the Israeli ‘occupation’ is somehow to blame for the Palestinian terrorism is nothing more than an empty retort, repudiated by the facts, and disproved by a century of historical reality. The following is a partial list of documented acts of Arab terrorism, all occurring prior to the beginning of the Israeli administration of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967: (…)”

        YOUR source does not even support your claim. YOUR source further provides only “PARTIAL list”. Now mister, before you waste my time again, make sure to FIRST: read and SECOND: understand your own source, imbecile!

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    8. Richard

      The “dirty hand” fallacy strikes again. Whether Israel perpetrated a massacre in 1953 just doesn’t matter in deciding who the moral actor is today. Palestinians never STOPPED being terrorists, see? You can go back to the inquisition if you want to accuse the Spanish of hypocrisy. The PRESENT is what matters to people who care about making things better.

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      • Brian

        Israelis never stopped being brutal occupiers. That’s a kind of terrorism too. Remarkable how Right Wing Zionists see themselves as innocent of crimes, as only a party “negotiating” (endlessly, that is) over “disputed” land. Poor little Israel, hand stretched out in peace. No one objective believes this.

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        • Richard

          If you think Israeli occupation is “brutal” you are extremely ignorant of history. I don’t know why you keep embarrassing yourself by responding to my comments. Its sad.

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          • Brian

            Typical refusal to acknowledge the reality endured by the other because you’ve dehumanized the other. And thus dehumanized yourself.

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          • Richard

            Seriously dude, “the other” is about as cool as skateboarding at this point. You obviously can’t argue or think for yourself – you just repeat slogans and not even ones that are current. Just stop typing words on the keyboard and obsessing over Jews. Find a real problem to fix, maybe one that’s simple so you can understand it first.

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          • Ginger Eis

            🙂 lol, now you make me spill Coca-Cola on my keyboard from laughter, Richard. Thanks for providing the joke of the day. A joke that is factually correct.

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          • Brian

            Oh hey Richard and Ginger, thanks for the advice. Now you’d better run and update the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities which just this week is convening a conference entitled “From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other,” on the escalation of tensions between Jews and Arabs.

            http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/President-Rivlin-Time-to-admit-that-Israel-is-a-sick-society-that-needs-treatment-379223
            President Rivlin: Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment

            You’d better run now and tell them how out of fashion they are, how out of date and laughable, how uncool and unable to think for themselves they are with that concept of “the other.” LOL! Hurry now! Israeli high culture hangs in the balance!

            And Ginger, especially for you, but Richard can surely benefit as well, from President Rivlin’s mouth to your ear:
            With regard to Jews he said: “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?”

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          • Ginger Eis

            Practice what you preach, Brian. The way you address others i.e. the ones you call “right wingers” is the way they will react to you. You and your ilk are the ones who start off with name calling and being especially disrespectful – using words such as “clowns”, “trolls”, “fools”, “racists”, etc. But when you are repaid in kind, you get all sanctimonious and hypocritical and start quoting Prez. Rivlin (a “right winger” nota bene). Obviously you feel entitled to dish it out to others, while expecting said others to turn the other cheek and gnash their teeth quietly. That doesn’t work for me. However, I find it very encouraging that you want the conversation to be sanitized. Good manners, they say, begins at home. Begin thus FIRST with yourself.

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          • Richard

            Brian – you simply cannot talk without being stupid. It just never ends. “The other” – which is an idea from continental philosophy, does not explain Rivlin’s comments, or the problems in Israeli society he was referring to. You don’t understand the ideas you are talking about. I’m done now. I’m guessing you’re 17 years old and that makes me feel bad as an adult so I’m done.

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          • Brian

            Were I as embarrassed as you I’d quit too Richard. Smart decision. I’m looking forward to your lecture before the Israel Academy: “Skateboarding and The Other: So UnCool. Dude!” I’ll bring a pencil and paper to take notes because I sure don’t want to miss anything.

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          • Gustav

            From the article that you quoted Brian:

            “Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement …”

            Note the word MUTUAL, Brian. You do understand what mutual means? It means that both Jews and Arabs are guilty of hating and incitement against each other. Not JUST the Jews!

            I agree with him. I also agree with him that such conduct is not healthy. But as a human being, I know that if only ONE side is working to stop such bad conduct, it won’t work. Because if I feel hatred and incitement from the other side and I don’t see anyone on their side trying to stop it, then I will reciprocate with hatred.

            So, Brian, Israel’s new president is trying to stop this mad cycle. Who on the Arab side is trying to do the same? Give me a link to a site which shows that someone influential (like Rivlin on our side) is trying to do the same on the Palestinian Arab side. I will then help Rivlin to do more of the same. Deal??

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          • Richard, are you claiming that those who claim the occupation is “brutal” are ignorant of history? I invite you to watch The Gatekeepers. Pay close attention to 1:34:51 – 1:36:27 of the film. There you will see former Shin Bet leader Avraham Shalom state the following:

            “The future is bleak. It’s dark, the future. Where does it lead? To a change in the people’s character because if you put most of our young people in the army, they’ll see a paradox. They’ll see it strives to be a people’s army, like the Nahal unit, involved in building up the country. On the other hand, it’s a brutal occupation force, similar to the Germans in World War II. Similar, not identical. And I’m not talking about their behavior toward the Jews. That was exceptional, with its own particular characteristics. I mean how they acted to the Poles, the Belgians, the Dutch. . . To all of them… The Czechs. It’s a very negative trait that we acquired, to be… I’m afraid to say it, so I won’t. We’ve become cruel, to ourselves as well, but mainly to the occupied population, using the excuse of the war against terror”

            So, do you think Avraham Shalom is ignorant of history?

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          • Gustav

            So what is the solution? We do a unilateral pull out like we did in Gaza?

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          • Ginger Eis

            Another round of yada, yada, yada from Robin Messing – another foreigner whose primary preoccupation is his obsession with Jews/Israel, while ignoring the fact that his Muslim fellow citizens are beheading his Christian fellow citizens and turning a blind eye to the Genocide, mass murder and mass expulsion of his fellow Christians and other ethnic minorities in the Middle East and elsewhere. This useless human being has even a website dedicated to Jews, he goes to bed thinking: Jews; and he wakes up in the morning thinking: Jews. Jews rule his life. In fact, Jews own him and he gets a rush from that. It is quite obvious , is it not, Robin Messing, that you sooo desperately want to talk about the Gate Keepers that you pick out just TWO words from everything Richard has been saying in order to turn the discussion into something else. But you see, Robin Messing, that film – The Gate Keepers – is one of the living proof that Israel is, if not the greatest, then certainly one of the greatest democracies in the entire Western world, the most open of all human societies on earth and the one nation with the largest margin for freedom of expression. If you doubt that, point to me one single country on earth were such thing as “the Gate Keepers” is possible – begin with the United States and the conduct of the Iraq war! The opinion of Avraham Shalom is HIS – Avraham Shalom – OWN opinion nothing more; nothing less. Where you have 10 Jews, you will always get more than 100 opinions. Is that new to you? Or are you toooo desperate to bash them Jews and as such cling on to anything no matter how remotely negative said of Israel by an Israeli? And, is it rather perplexing that all of a sudden, the words spoken by an Israeli security agent are Bible to you and your ilk? Get a life, imbecile!

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          • Brian

            Note the hysteria: What??!! It’s its it’s just another Jew and we all have ten opinions anyway!!! Change the subject!!!

            No. It’s the goddamn Shin Bet Director–someone she’d normally fawn over–and he has just ONE opinion.

            Carlo Strenger talks about right wing denial here:

            http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.621862

            Israel’s right-wingers are living in denial
            The political right is engaged in one of humankind’s most primitive defense mechanisms, and the Israeli public is paying the price.

            “…So let me spell out the reality in very simple terms. As far as the EU is concerned, the West Bank does not belong to Israel. The Knesset has, therefore, no mandate about whether to annex the West Bank, or to “give” the Palestinians a state, any more than it can make decisions about southern Italy.

            Israel’s political right generally complains that such a position denies Israel’s right to exist. This kicking and screaming simply disregards the fact that the EU’s position is exactly the same with respect to Russia and Ukraine: Russia has no legal say over Ukraine, period. Nobody denies Russia’s right to exist, but the EU has been imposing ever-stronger sanctions on Russia because of its military involvement in Ukraine. So Israel is not even being singled out unfairly. The fact that Ukraine is already a sovereign state, whereas Palestine isn’t, makes less of a difference to Europe than Israel’s rightists would like to believe….”
            —————

            Oh wait. Just another one of “the ten opinions,on average, of a Jew.” Never mind.

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          • Brian

            What you do, Ginger, but in a much more crude vulgar, screeching, unhinged way, is on one level nothing more that what Elliot Abrams and Brett Stephens do, as explained well here by Peter Beinart:

            http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.622145

            Is Israel’s president an anti-Semite?
            President Rivlin just called Israel a ‘sick society.’ If he was an American politician, he’d be probably forced out of his job.

            …the real test of what gets deemed anti-Israel or anti-Semitic, in other words, often turns less on what is said than on who said it. Which makes a statement’s truth largely irrelevant…
            ——————

            But then, Ginger, you take it one step further, so that when even the Shin Bet Director for crying out loud, or the President of Israel!, a Likudist!, contradicts your hermetically sealed narrative, you hysterically babble about 10 Jews with 100+ opinions.

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          • Gustav

            From the article that you quoted Brian:

            “Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement …”

            Note the word MUTUAL, Brian. You do understand what mutual means? It means that both Jews and Arabs are guilty of hating and incitement against each other. Not JUST the Jews!

            Interesting how extreme lefties take only part of Rivlin’s comment but ignore the other part.

            Also, interesting is that twice now I asked where is the Arab Rivlin and the silence is deafening.

            The old man is rightly trying to mitigate the effects of war on ALL peoples. War breeds hatred he is reminding all of us how corrosive hatred is but the extreme left is turning his fatherly advice to us into a propaganda tool against us. Shame …

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          • Brian

            Yes yes I get it it’s a cycle of violence and vengeance. Just now MK and Economics Minister Bennet loudly called for satanic vengeance for a 3 month old. Rivlin is totally unprecedented in Israel. And is loathed by Bennet, Netanyahu, Lieberman, and Shaked and Livnat and ….. So if you want to keep score its 1-0 except that the Palestinians don’t actually have a playing field because they have no country. Relentless occupation and land theft over decades and including the Silwan “real estate purchases” now is a poor recipe for growing Arab President Rivlins. You never see that. You never put yourself in their position. Anybody halfway liberal and enlightened like Salam Fayyad the Israelis totally cold shoulder, ignore, starve and call a terrorist. Lieberman called Fayyad of all people a terrorist. It’s 1-0 in your mental score keeping game but you haven’t even provided them a field to practice on.

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          • Gustav

            You mean they haven’t taken an opportunity to give themselves a field to practice on because they were too busy trying to deprive us of a field.

            In 1947, they had an opportunity to create their own state but instead, they tried to deprive us of a state.

            Between 1948 and 1967, they controlled the West Bank and Gaza but they did not create a Palestinian state because they were comfortable being Jordanians and Egyptians.

            Between 1967 and the early 1990s they refused to even negotiate face to face with us and they were still too busy trying to disrupt our lives with constant acts of terror. But suddenly, they became Palestinians instead of Arabs because that was a good strategy to impress lefies with.

            After the early 1990s, during the Oslo “peace process” instead of reducing their terror campaign, they increased it.

            In 2000, following a major offer by Ehud Barak, they started their bloody intifada and murdered or maimed thousands of us.

            In 2001, after Ehud Barak offered even more concessions in Taba, they convened an anti Israel lynching mob in Durban and perpetrated blood libels against us.

            In 2005 after the unilateral Gaza withdrawal by Israel which should have created a momentum for peace, the rocket fire from Gaza was escalated.

            In 2008, after Ehud Olmert offered even more concessions, they just ignored his peace offer as if nothing happened and helped Netanyahu get elected instead so they could pretend more easily that Israelis don’t want peace.

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          • Brian

            Abdullah Abu Rahmah

            Abdullah Abu Rahmah

            http://972mag.com/idf-court-convicts-palestinian-non-violent-organizer-eu-human-rights-defender/97965/

            “Because he is the answer to the question, “Where is the Palestinian Gandhi?” (answer: there are many; and they are languishing in Israel’s jails). Because he has never wavered in his commitment to non-violence – not even after his cousin Bassam Abu Rahmah was killed by a high-velocity tear gas canister shot by Israeli soldiers directly at his chest; nor after his cousin Adeeb Abu Rahmah was arrested and imprisoned for participating in weekly demonstrations against the barrier that separates the people of Bil’in from their own farmland.”

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          • Gustav

            Rivlin:
            Don’t hate the Arabs. Hatred is corrosive.

            Abdullah Abu Rahmah:
            Demonstrates against Israel. Delegitimizes Israel. Incites against Israel.

            He does it non violently? So what? Comparing what he does to what Rivlin does is like comparing chalk and cheese.

            Keep trying Brian. This one wasn’t a good try.

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    9. Bruce Gould

      Information: the Israeli group Zochrot is dedicated to investigating and educating about the Nakba. http://zochrot.org/en

      “Zochrot and other Israeli NGOs have been fairly successful over the past few years in raising the Nakba to the awareness of the broad Jewish public. The destruction of hundreds of villages and resulting hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees in the 1948 War have become part and parcel of current Israeli discourse; nevertheless, its mere presence in Jewish Israeli discourse still does not mean broad acknowledgement of and accountability for the Nakba. This gap is largely due to the continued adherence of Jewish Israeli society to colonial concepts and practices.”

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      • Noe

        Who funds Zochrot?

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      • Ginger Eis

        There were also hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees who fled Arab countries and sought refuge in Israel. Why do propagandists like your sorry self always omit that fact? Israel resettled its refugees. The Arabs kept their refugees eternal refugees. The Arab hope and goal remain the same today as they were immediately after the war in 1948: Israel must disappear and the refugees will return/the refugees will return and that will mean the end of Israel. The Arabs may not be the smartest people on earth, but they sure are able to fool you. Israel did not start the war, the Arabs did with the intention of total annihilation of Jews and are responsible for what you call “Nakba”. The Arab governments who initiated that war do not deny that fact. But lunatics like yourself, Zachrot and the “Israeli” NGO’s you mentioned are too eager to rewrite history and blame Jews for everything. Said NGO’s all locate themselves in Israel, feed fat on the good services Israel provides and at the same time work diligently to destroy Israel with funds provided to them by hostile foreign governments (its all about money!). Israelis know exactly who you are and that’s why shout and bark until you turn black and no one will listen to you! Knock yourself out with your Nakba-garbage, sir!

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    10. Gustav

      What the haters of Israel would like to see:

      For Arabs to keep on committing terrorism against Israeli civilians. For Israelis to ignore the terrorism and to plead for terms of surrender.

      That cannot happen. That will not happen. Because never in the history of mankind did a people who could defend themselves did any such people decide to surrender and give in to terrorists.

      So by all human standards, we have had a 100 year war with the Palestinian Arabs. A war which they insisted on and which they still insist on. In that war, more of THEM died than us. Do we need to apologize for that? Of course not. They want war, then they wear the consequences of war. If they can’t, then make peace. We are ready to make peace or continue the war. It is the choice of the Arabs.

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    11. Gustav

      From the article that you quoted Brian:

      “Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement …”

      Note the word MUTUAL, Brian. You do understand what mutual means? It means that both Jews and Arabs are guilty of hating and incitement against each other. Not JUST the Jews!

      I agree with him. I also agree with him that such conduct is not healthy. But as a human being, I know that if only ONE side is working to stop such bad conduct, it won’t work. Because if I feel hatred and incitement from the other side and I don’t see anyone on their side trying to stop it, then I will reciprocate with hatred.

      So, Brian, Israel’s new president is trying to stop this mad cycle. Who on the Arab side is trying to do the same? Give me a link to a site which shows that someone influential (like Rivlin on our side) is trying to do the same on the Palestinian Arab side. I will then help Rivlin to do more of the same. Deal?

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      • Brian

        Abdullah Abu Rahmah

        http://972mag.com/idf-court-convicts-palestinian-non-violent-organizer-eu-human-rights-defender/97965/

        “Because he is the answer to the question, “Where is the Palestinian Gandhi?” (answer: there are many; and they are languishing in Israel’s jails). Because he has never wavered in his commitment to non-violence – not even after his cousin Bassam Abu Rahmah was killed by a high-velocity tear gas canister shot by Israeli soldiers directly at his chest; nor after his cousin Adeeb Abu Rahmah was arrested and imprisoned for participating in weekly demonstrations against the barrier that separates the people of Bil’in from their own farmland.”

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        • Gustav

          Rivlin:
          Don’t hate the Arabs. Hatred is corrosive.

          Abdullah Abu Rahmah:
          Demonstrate against Israel. Delegitimize Israel. Incite against Israel.

          He does it non violently? Comparing what he does to what Rivlin does is like comparing chalk and cheese.

          Keep trying Brian. This one wasn’t a good try.

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          • Brian

            Spoken like someone who is a stone cold dehumanizer of the other. (Hey Perfesser Richard and Geheimestaatspolizeioffizier Eis, I went and did it again! Please critique how out of date this usage is, I just gotta know!).

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          • Gustav

            “Geheimestaatspolizeioffizier Eis, I went and did it again!”

            A classic case of dehumanizing someone.

            Physician heal thyself. Yes, you Brian.

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          • Brian

            I see it differently. I am provoked to employ sly humor and even mild ridicule
            in this forum often because it is a often the only effective way to confront humorless right wing ridiculousness. Fascism and it’s cousins are always humorless. Humor gets at the ridiculousness. The ridiculousness of a Colonel Klink. (I was actually being kind to Ginger: she shares that character’s ridiculousness but is far nastier interpersonally.). So when Ginger, say, is utterly ridiculous there is no other worthwhile response. You say ridiculous things in a public forum? Don’t be surprised if you are ridiculed. And if you can’t take the heat…
            Heinrich Böll recognized this beautifully when he wrote in praise of the crowded, intimate urban neighborhoods of his native Cologne as they were changing in the 1950s from what they had been, lamenting that change. He pointed out that ridicule was an ever present potential that kept things honest. A healthy mechanism. (I write from memory and remember inexactly but I render as faithfully as I can): “It is perhaps only in streets such as these that life can be lived properly. Fierce are their amusements, fierce is the flowering of their women, fierce the…and above all their acute sense of the ridiculous. Never could the SA march down these streets in a torchlight parade….” So I don’t dehumanize Ginger by the ridiculous appellation of Geheimestaatspolizeioffizier but treat her as a human being and ridicule her tendency to come on here and screech at people incessantly and in far too many words, taking herself far too seriously, engaging nonstop in what I think is devious apologetics, and call people imbeciles, idiots, Jew-haters and all sorts of nasty stuff in the rudest storm trooper fashion and lecture us all on how we are not correct thinking Jews or worse, all the while spewing all sorts of racist Muslim-hating bile. That’s how I see it.

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          • Gustav

            You complain that Eisner calls you names and labels you, Brian? What do you do?

            Only a few posts ago I agreed with Rivlin that hatred is corrosive. All I asked though is: where is their Rivlin? Somene of equal stature to Rivlin who admonishes them for hating and for not seeing us as human.

            You put forth an agitator who vilifies us whenever he can, albeit non violently. I called you on it and rightly said that you are trying to compare chalk to cheese. And what was your response? You said this about me:

            “Spoken like someone who is a stone cold dehumanizer”

            That’s not labeling me? And labeling me falsely? Like I said, Brian, physician, heal thyself.

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          • Brian

            Of what on earth should I cure myself of? A sense of justice? I stand by what I said. An abiding characteristic displayed is coldness towards the plight of the Palestinians and people like Abdullah Abu Rahmah. Another abiding characteristic is the throwing around of meaningless epithets like “delegitimization.” And your use of the term “agitator” is classic.
            ————-
            Because he is the answer to the question, “Where is the Palestinian Gandhi?” (answer: there are many; and they are languishing in Israel’s jails). Because he has never wavered in his commitment to non-violence – not even after his cousin Bassam Abu Rahmah was killed by a high-velocity tear gas canister shot by Israeli soldiers directly at his chest; nor after his cousin Adeeb Abu Rahmah was arrested and imprisoned for participating in weekly demonstrations against the barrier that separates the people of Bil’in from their own farmland.
            —————

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          • Gustav

            “Of what on earth should I cure myself of?”

            You should cure yourself of hypocrisy and bias.

            Hypocrisy because you accuse others of labelling you. But you labelled me.

            Bias because in your eyes Palestinian Arabs do NO wrong but we ONLY do wrong. Just look back at your last few posts and mine. I showed you how your bias is evident. You took one side of what Rivlin said and used it as a means of indicting Israeli society but you ignored the other thing which he said about Arab society and you ignore what he condemned as their hatred of us.

            In other words, you come across as condemning our tendency to hate but not their tendency to do the same. You also ignore that this is war and that this happens in all wars in all societies, the tendency to dehumanize one another, even though it isn’t a good thing.

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          • Brian

            I so t excuse anyone or idealize the Arabs. Bottom line is that it’s a long way from Arafat to Abbas and Erekat, a long way from the 100% to the 22% a good number if them have EVOLVED to accept. Not because their Zionists but because their realists. Non fanatics. The Israeli leadership and majority at the same fine has evolved in the opposite direction. And done its best to deny and discount and obfuscate over that Arab evolution. Bottom line is it’s simpler than you think IF Israel really wanted peace and was willing to pay a fair price. It’s not. I refuse to believe that the so called “security” problems could not be heartily solved if Israel put half the genius into it that it puts into land theft.

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          • Brian

            so t = don’t
            if = of
            their = they’re
            fine = time

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    12. Brian

      so t = don’t
      if = of
      their = they’re
      fine = time

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      • Gustav

        Stop talking gibberish. You are only amusing yourself with it.

        As for the so called evolution from Arafat to Erekat and Abbas, you know how us pragmatic Israelis know that it’s just bunk? That it is just pure wishful thinking at best or plain old propaganda at worst?

        Because Erekat and Abbas still refuse to recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people. They have still not evolved from 1947 when they rejected our state because it was a Jewish state rather than an Arab state.

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        • Brian

          Baloney on the face of it. You know why? Because the “Nation State of the Jewish People” demand, and ruse, was INVENTED by Netanyahu in 2009! And you know it! That’s 62 years after 1947!

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          • Gustav

            Not baloney and you know it Brian.

            In 1947, all the Arabs, including your Palestinian Arabs totally rejected the idea of the Jewish state. Not only rejected it but started a war against us a war which is still with us to this date. They openly declared that their intention was to destroy the Jewish state and the fact that 66 years later they still refuse to recognize our state as a Jewish state, tells any sane person that they still intend to destroy us. Most of that is plain irrefutable history and the last bit is a logical conclusion. But logic is not exactly your strong point, is it Brian?

            Netanyahu was the one who has shown us this fact? Good on Netanyahu. He is doing his job as Israel’s prime minister. You hate him? That’s your problem Brian. I neither hate him nor love him but on this issue I agree with him.

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