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High Court rules against Zoabi, upholds Knesset suspension

‘In effect, from this day forward, Arab Knesset members will be subject to the political judgements of the Jewish majority,’  MK Zoabi’s attorneys say.

The High Court of Justice on Wednesday rejected MK Haneen Zoabi’s appeal to overturn her six-month suspension from parliamentary discussions for a political opinion she expressed on the radio in June. As I reported yesterday, in deliberating her petition, the justices spent more time interpreting and judging Zoabi’s politics than whether the Knesset had the right to suspend her in the first place.

In its decision (Hebrew), the justices essentially chose “not to interfere” with the Knesset committee’s decision, and said they took into account that her suspension will end before the next election, it will not affect her ability to run.  The court agreed that Zoabi violated “rule 1a” of Knesset ethical conduct that a public trustee’s duty is to represent her electorate in a way that “promotes the good of the state.”

The justices wrote in their decision that while recognizing that her suspension is in fact extreme compared with past punishments, they are nonetheless ruling to uphold it “in light of the petitioner’s harsh words and the timing in which she said them,” referring to the fact that Zoabi said in June that the Palestinian kidnappers of the three Israeli teenagers (before their fate was known) are “not terrorists.” (For her entire statement, read my previous report).

The justices ruled four in favor and one against, the latter being Israeli Arab Justice Salim Joubran.

Responding to the decision, Zoabi said:

I was elected to the Knesset by popular vote, not out of charity. In the name of the Basic Laws and in the name of justice, the High Court should have defended my right to express my political opinions, which are outside the consensus, and to protect a minority’s representative from the tyranny of an aggressive majority. Unfortunately, the discussion was political and sensational and the High Court capitulated to political pressures instead of representing the law and protecting freedom of speech and the right of all citizens to equal representation.

Zoabi added that it is clear the Knesset Ethics Committee diverged from its authority in order to silence her, “and not just me but freedom of expression and freedom of protect of Palestinian citizens to protect inequality, oppression, racism and discrimination.”

Adalah and The Association for Civil Rights, who filed the petition on Zoabi’s behalf, said in a statement:

This is a dangerous precedent. For the first time ever, the court has decided that the majority can judge the minority solely on the basis of its political expressions – and impose radical sanctions ... In effect, from this day forward, Arab Knesset members will be subject to the political judgements of the Jewish majority.” 

Unrelated to the ruling, ACRI published a report on Wednesday highlighting what it described as the violation of freedom of speech during Operation Protective Edge this past summer:

This was particularly the case with regard to criticism of the military operation: police arrested some 1,500 demonstrators; city mayors attempted to prevent public protests; violent groups of nationalist thugs beat protesters; universities limited the freedom of speech of students and teachers; Arab employees were fired as a result of statements made about the conflict; and social media users attempted to “police” online discourse and sanction those whose comments deviated from the national consensus.

Related:
Why does the Israeli left oppose MK Haneen Zoabi?
The Israeli media’s hit job on MK Haneen Zoabi

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    1. Ginger Eis

      The United States

      Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution Of The United States, states as follows:

      “Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.”

      The United States Senate has either expelled or censured or reprimanded or prevented from taking office many of its ELECTED members – some of them for “unparliamentary language” – since its founding.

      The same is the case all (major) Western countries. Nothing new here – except that Zoabi is an a Muslim-Arab, in which case the haters will definitely see an opening to start demonizing the Jewish State, while ignoring similar just laws in other countries. The Justices have ruled. Let all lovers of democracy and the Rule Of Law abide by said Ruling. End of story!

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      • Cliff Page

        The action was taken because the MK said something was not terror when to the majority they took that as nonsense and an affront, to which they disagreed with her speech.

        Those same Members constantly throw up the numerous home made roman candle rockets of the Palestinians in Gaza that are used as a near zero practical defense, of which the Israelis have a near perfect defensive missile shield, to level nearly the entire length of Gaza killing over two thousand innocent civilians and thousands more seriously injured, against which they were really quite defenseless.

        What is terrorism? I guess to the members of the Knesset it means who you are, how you dress and what type of weapons you use, what side you are on. Certainly it could not be the Israeli Defense Force. They dress too well, their arms are too good and of course they are Jews and being Israelis they are on the right side. Terror must be the other guys… You know the ones with the rocks and slings and homemade roman candles… Yea… those are the terrorist. Men who fire 105MM and 155MM cannons and level whole blocks with a single shell couldn’t be terrorist… they’re Army… they’re the good guys. They speak Hebrew. They couldn’t be terrorist!

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        • Ginger Eis

          Cliff,

          The People of Israel and Justice Esther Hayut would like to ask you this question and would appreciate and answer:

          “When a statement by a member of the United States Congress contradicts the minimal common denominator [in society] and says things that not only enrage sections of the public, but take a stand against the United States… when said Congressman proposes to place a siege on the United States; to stop security coordination with it; when said Congressman identifies with people who kidnap United States children; how can these statements be reconciled with the country’s most basic good?”

          Pls. confine your answers to the question so that we can have a STRUCTURED and thus productive discussion.

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          • Cliff Page

            Ginger, your statements are silly and show a complete blindered vision of what is going on in Palestine/Israel. When the entire length of Gaza several blocks deep is rendered to dust and rubble, places of worship destroyed, hospitals with patients leveled and schools and even UN headquarters and someone doesesn’t yell terrorism in the Kenneset it would be beyound belief. This was a war crime of great perportion and an objective manesfastation of Israel’s Plan D to seieze land and liquidate or drive out the origional occupieres of the land which it has carried out since 1948. Plan D is has been an occhasterated and continually of ethnic cleasning carried out by the Zionsist by policies of expropriation, interference, denial of rights and liberties, extermination, terror, and murder and incarceration and constant pressure of which the Palestinian people have valiantly resist with whatever they could muster knowing that at every battle for their rights and dignity they were destined to loose to their oppressors. This Palestenian-Israeli MK had every right to call a spade a spade and throw reality in the face of those who would deny her words and try to smother here. Her position in the Keenness may be tokenism on their parts to create a make-believe democracy, but a real and robust democracy is where members are not afraid to tell the truth and not to act like toads. When Netanyahu says to the United States and the world for years he is going to ignore accords and treaties and restrictions on colonization or when his Foreign Minister talks of pushing the Palestenians into the sea, both of them are carring out Plan D. Plan D is no different than the Germans taking over the Sudetenland and moving the Jews and the indigenous peoples off of that land so that the Germans would have room to expand. It is illegal. The tactics used by Plan D are fundamentally built upon terror.

            Israel is not under siege, but Gaza certainly is and the West bank is under occupation and colonial settlement illegally by international law. Often I hear Israelis or misinformed American Jews talk of how the People of Gaza destroyed the the greenhouses that were left by the Israelis when they pulled out and Palestenians did not do anything with them. This is propaganda. They grew produce in them and flowers, but the Israelis restricted their ability to get that produce to market on the roads and prohibited the flowers to get to Europe, causing a failure. Fishermen in Gaza are restricted from fishing off their own coast and only last week some were again arrested. Now Israel is drilling for oil in Gaza’s coast and even selling the proceeds ahead of the venture in the world market. The people of Gaza have been in a lock down concentration camp since the Israelis pulled out and yet Hamas held up to its bargain and did not attack Israel with missiles until this latest incident, provoked by the burning of a Palestinian child alive. Yes there were three boys killed, but not by Hamas and not by the general population of Gaza, but by extremist, unrelated to the governance of Gaza and the government of Israel knew that those boys were already deadly when it provoked and invasion of Gaza saying it was going in to find them. This was a provocative and planned response with a military objective which could be covered up with propaganda. Israel routinely detains and locks up large numbers of Palestinians just because they want to and you have the audacity to talk of kidnapping children. And now the IDF has assaulted and killed a Palestinian MK, asserting the Palestinians rights to their own land and farms.

            Lady you live on another planet. You need to open your eyes and mind and educate yourself more broadly. But, when the Zionist offer you the KoolAide be careful.

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          • Contentious Cetrist

            To answer this question with any semblance of rationality and good faith, the respondent would have to concede that Israel is a normal country with laws, legitimate concerns and duty to protect its citizens against enemies and those who openly and declaratively provide comfort and assistance to that enemy. Zoabi was punished not for airing her opinions in public, but for positioning herself side-by-side with those who would harm Israelis as a member of Parliament, having taken the following oath:

            “I pledge myself to bear allegiance to the State of Israel and faithfully to discharge my mandate in the Knesset.”

            She can quit her privileged position as MK and fulminate as much as she likes about how murdered Israelis deserve their fate but she cannot do that, with impunity, as a parliamentarian who took an oath of allegiance to defend the very citizens whose murders she dismisses with such pedestrian non-nonchalance.

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      • Bryan

        Ginger, you silly girl, this has nothing to do with disorderly conduct. This is simply a punishment for exercising a freedom of speech which any proper democracy would guarantee. She was not even speaking in the chamber but on a radio programme and should have been guaranteed parliamentary immunity. Her argument (questioning the nature of terrorism and attempting to explain the origins of social violence) may have been distasteful to the Jewish state (which was itself founded by terrorism and has never been reluctant to use violence to achieve its ends), but she had every right to make the points she did. Israeli right-wingers use equally robust language and make equally contentious points, but have every right to within a Jewish “democracy”.

        For anyone needing a reminder of her actual words: “Is it really strange that the people who live under occupation and who do not live a normal life but live in a reality in which Israel kidnaps detainees on a daily basis; is it strange that these people commit a kidnapping? They are not terrorists, even if I do not agree with their actions, these people do not have any escape, any escape….These people do not see a possibility to change this reality, and so they are forced to use these means until Israel behaves a little, until Israel’s society and Israeli citizens behave a little, until they look at the suffering and feel the suffering of others.” Note her principled stance – “even if I do not agree with their actions”. Clearly this was neither disorderly conduct nor incitement, but simply a reasonable request to understand the social context of human action.

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      • Eliza

        Western Parliaments can suspend a member for disorderly conduct or unparliamentary language generally within the supervision of some parliamentary committee. No problem there.

        However, Zoabi was suspended for the content of a political view. She was not suspended for disorderly conduct or unparliamentary language. There is a bit difference.

        Her great misdemeanour was to place the context of the kidnapping and killing of the three Israelis teenagers within context. She did not voice approval of the act.

        For this she was suspended under rule 1a; that she failed in her duty to ‘represent her electorate in a way that promotes the good of the state’.

        So, essentially, the expression of a minority view, that acts of violence should be viewed within context, (which is hardly an exceptional view) is seen as not being promoting the ‘good of the state’.

        This cannot in any way be compared to the various mechanisms used in other parliamentary democracies, to overview ‘disorderly conduct’ or ‘unparliamentary language’.

        If the majority is outlawing minority views, on the basis of what is good for the state, then Israel is in trouble.

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    2. Ben Zakkai

      Yep, now our High Court is taking up residence in the troubled neighborhood of infamous decisions like Dred Scott, Plessy v. Ferguson and Korematsu. It’s a sad day for what’s left of democracy in Israel, but at least the masks are beginning to fall, and people all over the world can see what’s happening here. The more you perpetuate an unjust regime, the more unjust things you must do in its service.

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    3. She’s an Arab, she’s not supposed to be treated the same as a Jew. That would be democratic and that doesn’t exist in this state of Israel.

      “Indeed, the sort of crimes and even the amount of delinquency that fill the prophets of Israel with dismay do not go beyond that which we regard as normal, as typical ingredients of social dynamics. To us a single act of injustice–cheating in business, exploitation of the poor–is slight; to the prophets, a disaster. To us injustice is injurious to the welfare of the people; to the prophets it is a deathblow to existence: to us, an episode; to them, a catastrophe, a threat to the world.”
      ― Abraham Joshua Heschel, The Prophets

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      • GilGamesh

        Perhaps this escaped your notice:
        “The harshest punishment imposed by the committee against a member of Knesset based on political statements was the suspension of MK Aryeh Eldad from all Knesset meetings for only one day, because of his statement against the Sharon-Olmert government, saying: ‘Whoever relinquishes an area under Israeli sovereignty must be killed.’”

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        • Ariel Sharon

          Zionism is and evil, corrupt, inhuman, racist and failed ideology.

          That will continue to fail.

          Judaism is a great and sacred religion.

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    4. Mikesailor

      Unfortunately, Ginger is being at the least disingenous but fam more likely dishonest. The US Congress has the power to expell memebrs but has only done under two circumstances: 1) when the memebr has been convicted in a criminal court of a felony or 2)when the memebr actively took up arms against the US government during the Civil War. As too suspensions, they have occurred but in modern times only when the memebr has been “convicted” in the Ethics committee of a grave breach of the ethcis code. It seems Israel has dobne away with all requirements, merely suspending a memeber without any hearing etc. relying upn the power of the majority Jews without regard to any legal niceties> And, as I’ve said before, the Israeli legal system has been hopelessly compromised by Zionism and will bend over backwards to approve almost anything they deem “Jewish” supported. The question that should have been answered in this case is :”What is the limit upon the power of the Jewish majority (or any majority) to suspend or expell a member, duly elected by their constituents, for pure speech unrelated to any criminal conduct? Instead we are regaled by BS masquerading as “legal judgment”. What a load of crap.

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      • GilGamesh

        “As too suspensions, they have occurred but in modern times only when the memebr has been “convicted” in the Ethics committee of a grave breach of the ethcis code”

        Which is exactly what happened in this case.
        Joe Wilson received a formal reprimand by congress for calling President Obama a liar.

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        • Lo

          What you say on the floor of congress is different than what you can say on radio. This is like the Harry Reid suspending Ted Cruz for calling Denocrats socialists on Rush Limbaugh’s show.

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          • GilGamesh

            No it’s not, you are just making excuses because you can’t except the fact that the same thing happened in the US and there was zero outcry from the left about free speech.

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          • Ben Zakkai

            You lie. Again, when was a US congressman ever suspended for half a year for expressing unpopular opinions? Or for anything he said, for that matter. Let’s have one concrete example. And don’t bring me irrelevant bullshit about this or that guy who was reprimanded or escorted off the floor for an hour or a day, in Scotland or Finland or the Ukraine, because he gave someone the finger or threw a dirty sock at him. We’re not talking about breaches of parliamentary decorum here. Israelis do not stand on ceremony; on the contrary, they’re sadly famous for being rude bullies, and that extends to the Knesset, where, for example, Zoabi has been subjected to loads of nasty insults by other MKs, who also shout her down so she can’t speak – heck, right-wing MK Michaeli once tried physically to push her off the Knesset floor – the same Michaeli, by the way, who was later suspended for a month after pouring a glass of water on another Arab MK, and everybody oohed and aahed about what a harsh punishment she’d received. No, Hanin Zoabi was suspended for six months for expressing extremely unpopular opinions, no more and no less. That is a sure sign of the intellectual and moral cowardice of Israel in 2014.

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          • Ginger Eis

            Ben Zakkai, you are lying and obfuscating here and you know it. It must be obvious to you that the issue here is not mere “unpopular opinion” (e.g. ‘the rape victim brought it on herself by dressing immodestly’, etc.) as you claim, but rather something that is clearly more than “unpopular opinion” (i.e. something that is at the very least unethical and unbecoming of a Representative/Legislator). Since you claim to know so much about the United States Congress, maybe you can clarify the following to us:

            (a) “When a statement by a member of the United States Congress contradicts the minimal common denominator [in society] and says things that not only enrage sections of the public, but take a stand against the United States… when said Congressman proposes to place a siege on the United States; to stop security coordination with it; when said Congressman identifies with people who kidnap United States children, kidnap and behead Americans; how can these statements be reconciled with the United States’ most basic good?” (b) ‘When has a Congressman ever behave in the afore described manner’? (c) ‘What will happen to that Congressman”?

            Israelis want an answer to these questions from you, Ben.

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          • Lo

            I don’t know if you’ve been paying any attention to CPAC conventions in the last 6 years. The bloodiest war in our history was fought due to the violent treason of a part of the country. The descendants of those seditious and craven rebels now have aims of “nullification” and have repeatedly insinuated violence against the federal government.

            Their representatives take this neurosis onto the legislative floor, but no one’s been suspended.

            Those breaches in decorum you pulled out of your ass have never been made for statements that were not perjury. Usually, arising instead due to scandals involving hookers and blow.

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          • GilGamesh

            Firstly I lied about nothing, and secondly it’s not irrelevant. Mike was leaving out inconvenient facts about the US Congress, and I was bringing them to light.

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      • Bryan

        That’s a nasty slight against Ginger – who could possibly accuse her of disingenuousness let alone deception or hatefulness.

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      • Ginger Eis

        1. In Sweden, Germany, Austria and The Netherlands, the majority of the MP’s are ethnic Swedes resp. ethnic Germans resp. ethnic Dutch – and I can go on and on ad infinitum. Why do you apply different standards to Israel and demonize Jews even as what the parliamentary democracy in Israel works as in said other countries?

        2. MK Zoabi was granted a hearing. A College of senior Judges heard her case and threw it out.

        3. The Constitution of the United States is very clear as to the expulsion of elected members of the Legislature. The fact that no Congressman called the 9/11-terrorists freedom fighters as a result of which no Congressman was suspended/expelled in that regard is of no relevance.

        4. Israeli Courts belong to the most independent in the world and are more empowered than the British, the Belgian and the Dutch Courts (to name only but a few)! Did you know that? Unlike in the later named countries, Israeli Judges may examine the lawfulness of Acts Of Parliament (e.g. legislations) and strike down such laws if they find them lacking. The only Courts that have such powers in major Western countries are (a) the United States Supreme Court, (b) the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Germany’s Supreme Court in Administrative and Constitutional matters).

        5. Is there anything Jews can do – short of national suicide – to gain the love and sympathy of you and your ilk?

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        • Seriously, #5? First off, take responsibility for you own actions and stop the ridiculous attempt to implicate all Jews in the crimes of this state of Israel. You are fucking insane if you cant realize by now that “the Jews” are not behind the actions of this state. You do not have the support of world Jewry and in fact, the more you open your mouth and rant and rave, the less likely you’ll be to attract any “sympathy” or “love”. You continually defend the actions of the GoI, then become completely unglued when these actions are condemned, here and in that “little thing called the rest of the world”. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insane. And you and others defend this insanity all the time. You’re in no position to expect anything better than the overwhelming and uncompromising revulsion you see here.

          Oh and another thing, there is something that the GoI can do – stop the occupation, treat everyone equally and see what a much nicer place this could be.

          You apartheid apologists here are all the same. You want to corral all of the Jews in the world and stamp them with the hecksher of zionism. Then do disgusting things to non-Jews and when you get called on it you scream about the world hates Jews, we hate Jews, Jews hate Jews, etc. I believe it is YOU that hate Jews.

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          • Ginger Eis

            manic marnie, your psychotic mind just can’t allow you to “ignore” me as you have on several occasions promised numerous individuals on this site? Beyond that:
            a. you have no job (when others are at work, you are here ranting about Jews and Israel);
            b. you are a single mother;
            c. you are on welfare;
            d. you are not seriously looking for a job to stand on your own feet and support yourself and your daughter, no, instead,
            e. you spend 24hrs a day and 7-days a week obsessing with Jews and Israel, visiting several websites ranting mumbo jumbo about stuff you have no understanding of. Obsession with Jews and Israel is a disease, manic marnie, that will eventually destroy your psychotic self and everything you hold dear. You need to quit and invest your time to finding a job, standing on your own feet and investing in the emotional, spiritual and material care of your children (of different fathers). If you can’t quit on your own, maybe it is time to seek professional help, no?

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          • Off topic and yer meds.
            Love,
            Marnie

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          • Merav

            correct, Gingi. Just two days ago psychotic marnie not only promised to stop posting stupid, but also said this to you:

            “ Eis – stop stalking me.”

            but surprise, surprise, here is psychotic marnie again with her rants; one wonders who is stalking whom …… hmmm… funny, isn’t it? the other day psychotic marnie claimed that she ‘CONVERTED’ to Judaism. I wonder if you have seen that? I will look it up again and post the link if she starts denying; and soon the stalker brian will join her … just wait a few seconds …

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          • Eis is now playing the role of her very best friend and canine companion, Merav. Let’s watch and see what “Merav” tries next!

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        • Ginger Eis

          Mikesailor

          Correction

          “(…) Why do you apply different standards to Israel and demonize Jews even as the parliamentary democracy in Israel works exactly as in said other countries?”

          … is what I meant.

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    5. dekkers

      No surprise here. Whatever they decide, the truth is the other way around. In this case the right wing warmongering racist war criminals should be thrown out.

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      • Ginger Eis

        Indeed, Dekkers, the only time Jews will be right is after the State Of Israel has committed national suicide. You make that point succinctly clear. But let me ask you the same question I asked Cliff Page above:

        “When a statement by a member of the United States Congress contradicts the minimal common denominator [in society] and says things that not only enrage sections of the public, but take a stand against the United States… when said Congressman proposes to place a siege on the United States; to stop security coordination with it; when said Congressman identifies with people who kidnap United States children and behead Americans; how can these statements be reconciled with the country’s most basic good?”

        If you are not a United States citizen, pls. insert the name of your country anywhere the United States is mentioned.

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        • Brian

          “Indeed, Dekkers, the only time Jews will be right is after the State Of Israel has committed national suicide.”

          This is akin to a personality disordered patient threatening suicide if they don’t get what they want. This however can be handled clinically and safely with limit setting and therapeutic confrontation and clear boundaries. Speaking of which, please draw me the boundaries Israel wants? Would you like a crayon? What’s that? A stroke has paralyzed the hand you write with? We’ll get you a scribe.

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          • Merav

            brian

            still “waxing erotic here” for Gingi – as you said before? my observation is that you are stalking Gingi on this site and constantly bombarding her with messages. seems you have “a thing” for Gingi, brian; she ignores all your posts and you go bonkers, moaning, groaning and posting even more strange messages to Gingi? Go home, little man and quit obsessing with Ginger, she is not interested;

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          • Brian

            Blah blah blah

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    6. Mikesailor

      Ginger: You are a piece of work and I don’t mean that in a flattering way. It’s rare that one can find such a hateful and deceptive personality wrapped up in one package. But you take the cake. If a US Congressman says things that outrage the general public, or a segment thereof..tough. He still retains the right to say anything he wishes especially on the floor of the chamber. He may be voted out at the next election, but suspending a duly elected member is not done. Even you hero, Joe Wilson, received a reprimand, not suspension. Why? Because denying the constituents the right to their representation is not even seriously contemplated. Let alone suspending a member until just before an election on the grounds that she/he “hurt the majority’s feelings”. What you disingenously forget is that Zoabi merely said the Palestinians who kidnapped the Darwin Award nominees (I still can’t figure out parents who let their children hitchike from a West Bank settlement as a normal everyday occurrence. Yet, when IDF soldiers shoot a child, somhow it is always the Palestinian’s parent’s fault for inadequate supervision) weren’t terrorists. In other words, she refused the simple pandering lablel so beloved by Israeli Jews. Instead, she brought up the fact that they were living under brutal military occupation which, even you should admit, takes children away from their parents and routinely beats,if not kills them. She didn’t applaud or condone their actions, she just refused to paint them as terrorists which is the normal Jewish Israeli way of painting any “Arab” or non-Jew who hurts Jewish sensibilities if not their person. You want it both ways without any pretense of legality, morality or even reason. Those you don’t like, those who criticize your actions are deemed “antisemitic” if a non-Jew, or “self-hating Jew” if they are Jewish. You defend the indefensible and then whine when somone calls you a hypocrite and a liar. You resort to ad hominem attacks for you really have nothing to say. On this thread you resorted to lying about US Constitutional law and practice, a subject on which you are woefully uninformed. Yet, I’ve noticed that such a blatant display of ignorance doesn’t stop you at all. You should wear your title of hasbarista proudly as the hack propagandist you are.

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      • Ginger Eis

        Mikesailor, you are an imbecile.

        Fact 1: it is not in dispute that Zoabi called on other countries to place a siege on the State Of Israel. Zoabi is not disputing that! A US Congressman/Congresswoman who dares do that will either be prosecuted for treason or expelled for life!

        Fact 2: it is not in dispute that Zoabi expressed her support for terrorists who kidnapped Israeli Children and subsequently murdered them. The evidence thereof is on tape! A US Congressman/Congresswoman who dares express support for the 9/11 murderers and/or those who kidnapped and beheaded Americans, will either be prosecuted for treason or expelled for life!

        Unfortunately you chose convoluted rants and call me names, instead of making coherent arguments. Thus, I will read you the Constitution of The United States ONCE more:

        Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution Of The United States Of America:

        “Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.”

        The United States Senate has either expelled or censured or reprimanded or prevented from taking office many of its ELECTED members – some of them for “unparliamentary language” – since its founding.
        But when it comes to Israel, haters like yourself who have made clear that Jews have no Right to Self-determination go in a frenzy, feverishly looking for something to demonize Jews and the Jewish State. Go ahead, Mikesailor, but we will fight you all the way. Mark my words.

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      • GilGamesh

        When did anyone call Joe Wilson a hero ?
        You get exposed as being wrong and you immediately resort to lies and slander. And you don’t even have the guts to attack me directly. Instead you go after someone who didn’t even mention Joe Wilson.

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      • Ginger Eis

        Mikesailor

        Fact 1: it is not in dispute that Zoabi called on other countries to place a siege on the State Of Israel. Zoabi is not disputing that! A US Congressman/Congresswoman who dares do that will either be prosecuted for treason or expelled for life!

        Fact 2: it is not in dispute that Zoabi expressed her support for terrorists who kidnapped Israeli Children and subsequently murdered them. The evidence thereof is on tape! A US Congressman/Congresswoman who dares express support for the 9/11 murderers and/or those who kidnapped and beheaded Americans, will either be prosecuted for treason or expelled for life!

        Unfortunately you chose convoluted rants and call me names, instead of making coherent arguments. Thus, I will read you the Constitution of The United States ONCE more:

        Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution Of The United States Of America:
        “Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.”

        The United States Senate has either expelled or censured or reprimanded or prevented from taking office many of its ELECTED members – some of them for “unparliamentary language” – since its founding. But when it comes to Israel, haters like yourself who have made clear that Jews have no Right to Self-determination go in a frenzy, feverishly looking for something to demonize Jews and the Jewish State. Go ahead, Mikesailor, but we will fight you all the way. Mark my words.

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    7. Brian

      Hanin drives Jewish women nuts because she’s brave, smart, independent and very attractive.

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      • Sluggo

        Very attractive? Now I know you are like a three dollar bill. I am straight, and I find her in need of a face transplant.

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        • Brian

          I think she’s sexy. And she undermines all your stereotypes. She drives Israeli Jewish women and men nuts for varying reasons. Please keep your sexuality to yourself. It grosses me out. If you want to call a crossgendering entity with a publicly declared extremely weird interest in my rectum “straight” go right ahead. Never forget (we won’t): Quod erat demonstrandum. I can supply the link to the proof.

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          • Sluggo

            Next you are going to say that Hanan Ashrawi is fabulous.

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        • Piotr Berman

          Clearly, we are very pluralistic here in our opinions on what constitutes attractive appearance. Ginger Eis wrote “Naftali Bennett is smart, handsome (unlike ugl*** Noam Scheizaf, hih hihi), ”

          Personally, I was a bit stumped. I understand that well polished and shiny top of the head has its admirers, but the rabbit-like overbite? I would actually prefer Noam with head fully covered with hair and a “manly” jaw line, plus a classic aquiline nose.

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    8. She’s brave and collected too in the face of all the animosity she has dealt with. She has the stature of a leader.

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    9. Mikesailor

      Ginger: You’re completely wrong and an ass to boot. A Congressman has complete immunity on the floor of the Congress first of all. Second, one can advocate whatever one wants. It is called freedom of speech jackass. I know it’s something you and most Israeli Jews hate but it is called the First Amendment. Bill Maher, a television comic, once said the men who flew into the World Trade Towers may have been terrorists whatever but they weren’t cowards. He lost his TV show and now is on HBO with another. Treason consists of action, not speech. Sedition laws don’t exist in the US. And we don’t hacve idiotic laws like you have in Europe which make discussing and disagreeing about the Holocaust a crime. You are a fool but that’s all one can expect from the deficient school system in Israel. If you are a paid hasbarista I doubt your employers are getting therir money’s worth. As for Gil Gamesh: I wonder why your “name” is that of a Babylonian folk hero, not Jewish but more closely akin to Amalek. Or didn’t you know? What a putz.

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      • Ginger Eis

        What exactly is imbecile ranting about?

        1. The immunity you rant about regards (a) criminal prosecution and (b) civil liability for statements made (c) on the floor of the House. Nothing more. Nothing less. Indeed, Congressmen and Congresswomen can be sanctioned for violations as specified by law and enacted by virtue of the United States Constitution – regardless of the locus of said violation, i.e. where they occurred;

        2. Israeli MKs have the same immunity as do US Congressmen and Congresswomen – and in some cases MORE;

        3. Israeli MKs have more protection than US Congressmen and Congresswomen. Israeli MKs can appeal to an independent Court re any sanction imposed on them!

        4. “Freedom of Speech” is NOT an “Absolute Right”, assuming you know what is constitutive of the former and what the later actually means.
        The more you are engaged and forced to reason, the more you expose your ignorance, while the veil comes off of your face and your anti-Semite self begins to appear.

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      • GilGamesh

        I am well aware of the the origins of the myth of Gilgamesh Mike. Why do I need to have a Jewish handle ? I’ll admit you are better at personal attacks then I am. Most internet “tough guys” are. But let’s see if for once you can actually best me by using facts rather than name calling.

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    10. Average American

      Zaobi is not Jewish. Therefore in The Jewish State, which is governed by halacha and Rabbis, she can be pushed around.

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    11. Piotr Berman

      I think formal immunity of members of Parliament, like in most Europe and Israel, does not exist in USA, and members of Congress were regularly prosecuted when in office. Courts in USA do not rule on internal issues of Congress. That said, the quality of a democracy is more matter of customs than laws.

      The last time when a member of Congress (including Senate, one of the two Houses) was reprimanded or expelled by anything short of criminal (financial or sex with minors who worked as pages) was a censure for the use of foul language in 1924 (placing a document in Congressional record with 34 expletives). There is no custom to require a “minimum patriotic standard” unless that minimum standard is violated by the participation in an armed rebellion.

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    12. Brian

      MK Mohammed Barakeh, head of the Arab-Jewish Hadash party, on Haneen Zoabi:

      At 19, he [Barakeh] moved to Tel Aviv to study math at university. He lived there in rented apartments for eight years, befriending Jews and dating Jewish women. “Those were my formative years in terms of understanding the need for Jewish-Arab partnership,” he notes, contrary to isolationists like MK Haneen Zoabi (Balad) and former MK Azmi Bishara (the founder of Balad).
      “If there’s one thing that irks me about Arab politics,” he says, “it’s people who say, ‘We are Arabs, we have to be alone.’ People who think like that are criminals. There’s no difference between them and Lieberman.”

      […]

      “At first, discrimination was a concrete reality in all areas of life, but today it’s also become legislation and has insinuated itself into the judicial system,” he says. “In a situation where there is incitement by the Jewish leadership and public against the Arabs, you always have to find ways not to give extremists in the Israeli establishment excuses to attack the Arabs.” Therefore, he says, in a not-so-veiled reference to MK Zoabi and others, “my philosophy as a leader is to prevent the isolation of the Arab population within the general Israeli context, which is what the right wing wants. Nor will I furnish the right wing with ammunition because of stupidity or thoughtlessness or unnecessary comments.”

      […]

      Haaretz (Gidi Weitz): Would you change the national anthem?

      Barakeh: Shaul Tchernichovsky’s ‘I Believe’ [known by its opening words in Hebrew, ‘Sahaki, sahaki’] is fitting as an anthem. It’s a beautiful poem and song, very human and universal.”*

      *I Believe

      Shaul Tchernichovsky

      Rejoice, rejoice now in the dreams
      I the dreamer am he who speaks
      Rejoice, for I’ll have faith in mankind
      For in mankind I believe.

      For my soul still yearns for freedom
      I’ve not sold it to a calf of gold
      For I shall yet have faith in mankind
      In its spirit great and bold

      That will cast off binding chains
      Raise us up, hold high our heads
      Workers will not die of hunger
      For souls – release, for poor folk – bread.

      Rejoice for I have faith in friendship
      I’ll find a heart – in this I’ve faith –
      A heart that shares in all my hopes,
      A heart that feels both joy and pain.

      And I shall keep faith in the future,
      Though the day be yet unseen
      Surely it will come when nations
      All live in blessed peace.

      Then my people too will flourish
      And a generation shall arise
      In the land, shake off its chains
      And see light in every eye.

      It shall live, love, accomplish, labor
      In the land it is alive
      Not in the future, not in heaven –
      And its spirit shall henceforth thrive.

      A poet shall sing a new anthem,
      His heart aware of beauty sublime
      For him, that young man, above my tomb
      Blossoms in a wreath shall twine.

      Written in Odessa in 1892. Translated from Hebrew by Vivian Eden.

      ***

      http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.631273

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      • That is just beautiful. Thanks.

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