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Hate speech: Stocking up fuel for murderous violence

Ami Kaufman has done the important work of translating a Channel 10 report on the vicious racism afflicting Israeli teens. The report was produced in the wake of the hideous comments made by some teens on the incineration of five Palestinian children in a bus crash in Jerusalem the other month. The first thing that comes to mind watching the video – in which some of the original teenage commentators are interviewed – is that they are no different from teens in any other area of sustained, protracted ethno-nationalist conflict. The other is that such discourse is nothing new in Israel, and is far from confined to teenagers.

The following paragraphs are excerpts from an email to a friend, written on my first solitary night shift on The Jerusalem Post news desk, in January 2008. I had just finished reading Shake Hands with the Devil, an account of the build-up and the actual genocide in Rwanda that sent chills down my spine – particularly when it described the atmosphere in the days preceding the butchery itself. From a distance of four years I can observe I knew little at the time of how slow-brewing ethnic conflicts are, and how Israel’s  relatively strong institutions and heavy-handed military divert some of the pressure that can actually build up to murderous, neighbour-onto-neighbour, grassroots-based ethnic cleansing. Neither could I  foresee the many powerful counter-currents underway – the renaissance of political and journalistic activism that so far culminated with the social justice protests being chief among them, even if, as we see, it is still far from enough to act as real counterbalance. It’s also worth noting the comments about the Palestinian kids in the bus crash were met with a strong backlash from other Israeli teenagers shocked by their own peers’ bloodthirstiness. And yet, the harmony between what was being said in Rwanda, what was being said that night I spent on my own between flickering monitors and murmuring radio sets, and what is being said in the video Ami posted is unmistakable.

It’s late at night. The newsroom’s  television sets are open on the two commercial channels, Channel Two and Channel Ten. Both are re-running cringeworthy local teenage soaps; on both of them, all the characters are in IDF uniform. The radio is also open on the two main channels, Israel Radio and Army Radio. Both are transferring late-night agony aunt or uncle programs, slightly easier on the heart than the midday open-mike ones, where the real genocidal maniacs crop up to share your traffic jam.

But even now, at 2 A.M., a woman calls. She is in a relationship with a married man, she loves him but knows he won’t leave his family for her. She takes care to state the fact the man lives in East Jerusalem. The anchor’s first reaction consists of a single, carefully weighted word. An Arab, he says, and stops to think. You’re sleeping with a married Arab, he repeats. Yes, the woman sighs, and the anchor opens the floor to other listeners. The couple’s affair and the man’s marital status go out the window. Callers prefer instead to discuss “Arabs”; not even “Arab men” or “Arab women,” simply “Arabs.” The P word – Palestinians – goes unmentioned. One caller, a veteran of the 1948 war, relieves himself of a rant on the massacre of the fifty-six captive Palmach fighters in kibbutz Kfar Etzion. He talks for fifteen minutes straight, unhindered by the host. The word “Arabs” comes at almost regular intervals, like a refrain to chant. At length, he sums up: “In the Palmach I was not taught to hate the Arabs, I was taught to respect them. But ever since the death of the Thirty Five, I hate Arabs with all my heart and soul. If I was in power, If I got to rule, I would expel every one of them.” The anchor protests meekly, but then allows the man to rant for ten minutes more.

…On daytime radio, you hear people calling for genocide. Not the odd loons, nor even Negev civilians driven mad with fear by Palestinian missiles in Sderot. Average citizens of all backgrounds call in from towns and cities across, spouting racism that would make a BNP member leave the room. When the Qassam barrages get particularly harsh, even reasonably critical, respected journalists surrender to the tide of fear. Just the other day, one pundit, Yaron London wrote an op-ed in Israel’s Yediot Aharonot, calling to pull down a neighbourhood in Gaza in response for every shooting, or else to “starve them out”.This country is almost ripe for ethnic cleansing, much more so than it seems from Tel Aviv. It’s frighteningly close.

And as the night shifts draws on, web comments come rolling in to be filtered. Kill them. Transfer. Now. All Arabs. All Muslims. All “Palis”. Cockroaches, monsters, beasts, animals, scum. Kill everyone. Use nukes. Use gas. Use napalm. Slip sterilizing drugs into the Gaza water supply. Don’t trust anyone. The UN is anti-Semitic. The Europeans are anti-Semitic. Left-wing Jews are even worse. It seems like if I go to sleep and tune in two days later, I’ll hear the Hutu radio of Rwanada, giving directions to families still hiding out, and some self-proclaimed “liberal journalist” asking into the mike in a smoky voice: “The graves are only half-full. Who will help fill them?”

I don’t think anyone in Israel, certainly not anyone in power, is planning murderous ethnic cleansing; even if non-murderous ethnic cleansing – “population swaps” – has long since been on the agenda, partly normalised into the public discourse by the pro-partition Left’s braying support for the eviction of settlements. But if push comes to shove, if a population-swap goes awry, if the evacuees try to resist violently or turn on each other and someone somewhere panics and decides to take less “sentimental” measures, the silent build up toward active support or complacency for fully-fledged atrocities is already at work. The dry wood has been piling up for years now, and there’s no telling if we’ll be spared the spark.

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    1. Bill Pearlman

      I can’t believe I have to say this to an Israeli but you must have led an extremely sheltered existence. People, ALL people are tribal and base their responses on their experiences.

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    2. Leen

      So according to you Bill, that justifies suicide bombing and qassam rockets?

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    3. JG

      I’d still very much like to hew close to the conventionally Zionist line, in order to be closer ideologically to members of my family and of my shul. But the argument “everyone’s a little bit racist” from Bill fails to move me. How do we reconcile this mindset with the proclamation from Isaiah that we are to be a “light unto the nations”?

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    4. Bill Pearlman

      Its about actions not words. Israel has the power to make the Palestinians a distant memory. Yet it hasn’t happened. Does anybody doubt that if the situation was reversed it would have happened exactly like that. When it comes to spouting off. EVERYONE as prejudices. Its human nature.

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    5. Jack

      “. Does anybody doubt that if the situation was reversed it would have happened exactly like that”

      What an easy way to justify criminal behavior, could the nazi germany also have used that reason for commiting crimes?
      Your hatred for peace and law is evidently clear.

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    6. Leen

      Everyone is prejudice… so that justifies Apartheid in South Africa and segregation in the US? That’s also okay for the Rwandan genocide to go ahead because hey the Hutu did not like the Tutsi based on their personal experience. What else?

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    7. Beholder

      Xenophoby in Israeli society is much stronger than 20 or even 10 years ago. Much stronger.
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      Before Second Intifada there was a glimpse of hope that it would somehow work out.
      12 years later it’s crystal clear that it wont.
      Arabs are the enemy of Israel – at least they are positioning themselves so, and should be treat us such.
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      A question:
      How many posts dedicated to the ARAB hate speech is on this board?
      Or dedicated to hate deeds for a change.
      Say, about murdering Arab girls for sleeping with Jewish boys.
      Strangely, I won’t be surprised if majority of people here supports such family justice…

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    8. JG

      It’s shocking yes.
      Focusing the comments of Beholder above, is there any regional insight on the reactions to the new talk show hosted by Sbarro-bomber-abetter Ahlam Tamimi?

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    9. Leen

      Beholder, I am pretty certain no one would support such acts, only the sickest of people. So please stop making generalized statements about the people on 972.
      Secondly, the discussion here is about hate speech in Israeli society, deflecting criticism to other sources that are wrong does not legitimize or justifies the youth’s behavior.
      Thirdly, if you are bothered by it, then I suggest you write your own article on it? Instead of ranting about here and accusing us of supporting honor killings.

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    10. Beholder

      Leen,
      Firstly, the hate speech in Israeli society is first and foremost fueled by hate speech and hate deeds in Arab world.
      Articles here make an impression that Israelis actually hate Arabs out of the blue, without any particular reasoning, which in incorrect and unfair.
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      Secondly, since there is no articles condemning honor killings and other disgraceful activities by Arabs I do believe that (some) authors here support such killings, or at least support Arab’s right to kill anyone at their discretion.
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      And thirdly any such article would imminently contain too much “arab bashing” and “hate speech”, will be considered as “anti-peace” or “hate mongering” and won’t make it to the blog, so why bother?

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    11. Leen

      @Beholder
      Firstly, I actually don’t think it’s the case and I would like to include a quote by Ahad Haam which summarizes exactly what I think why there is hatred in Israeli society today and hatred from the Palestinian side.
      “We must surely learn, from both our past and present history, how careful we must be not to provoke the anger of the native people by doing them wrong, how we should be cautious in our dealings with a foreign people among whom we returned to live, to handle these people with love and respect and, needless to say, with justice and good judgment. And what do our brothers do? Exactly the opposite! They were slaves in their Diasporas, and suddenly they find themselves with unlimited freedom, wild freedom that only a country like Turkey [the Ottoman Empire] can offer. This sudden change has planted despotic tendencies in their hearts, as always happens to former slaves [’eved ki yimlokh – when a slave becomes king – Proverbs 30:22]. They deal with the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, trespass unjustly, beat them shamefully for no sufficient reason, and even boast about their actions. There is no one to stop the flood and put an end to this despicable and dangerous tendency. Our brothers indeed were right when they said that the Arab only respects he who exhibits bravery and courage. But when these people feel that the law is on their rival’s side and, even more so, if they are right to think their rival’s actions are unjust and oppressive, then, even if they are silent and endlessly reserved, they keep their anger in their hearts. And these people will be revengeful like no other. […]”
      I should note this was written back in 1891. Way wayyy before the establishment of Israel and the momentum of Zionism took place…
      Unfortunately Ahad was right and foreshadowed how relations between Jews and Arabs within the land would be lack fast forward 100 years.

      Well, I suggest you go write on article now on Honor killings then we can talk about the arab bashing. I have in the past participated in a documentary filming highlighting the problem with honor killings, so I don’t think you need to convince me how horrible it is, because I did deal with it intimately with the victims. However, this still does not justify the hate speech the youth are participating in.

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    12. joe

      “Everyone has prejudices” Yes we do. But and it’s a substantial one…….Israel is unfortunately the petri dish. Prejudice is normally NOT cultivated—not actively GROWN.
      -It is not prominently/overtly displayed on an international field

      -Prejudice is not funded and unconditionally supported with hard earned middle class USA tax dollars

      -Prejudice is not given unlimited tax free donations by American Jews, millionaires and billionaires whose sole purpose in life is Israel and settlement expansion at the expense of a vast amount of innocent people.

      -prejudice is not everyday culture in the USA and most developed countries…meaning it is UNacceptable to rant aloud and actively discriminate, whereas in Israel, it is perfectly acceptable to treat Palestinians as 2nd class citizens. Life is far worse for prejudice to be a part of the accepted value/behavior system.

      -prejudice is indoctrinated in young people on Birthright trips by wealthy right wing misguided philanthropists.

      -prejudice should be eliminated not justified.

      -Eradication of hatred based on race/culture/religion…isn’t that the Never Forget? Or is the Never Forget just referring to Jews? If so, it is meaningless based on the policies of the Israeli Government.

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    13. Beholder

      Leen,

      You see, to me personally people who do – or support for that matter – honor killing, are actually not same people as I am, but some kind of dangerous pests, which must be re-educated or exterminated for the well-being of entire human civilization.
      And I don’t really care be it Arab, Jew, American, Russian or whoever else.
      Such behavior is totally unacceptable in 21st century and should be dealt with maximum possible harshness.
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      >However, this still does not justify the hate speech the youth are participating in.
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      Justify? Of course not. Just fuels and ignites.
      But let’s leave alone honor killings, after all some of these hate-spitting kids actually do support it, because it is good when an Arab dies, isn’t it?
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      Honor killings really do mean not too much, what is much more important is everyday Jewes-hat narration by almost everyone in Arab world. It’s not that someone cares about the Palestinian problem, far from that. No, this conflict is between Jews and Arabs, and in order to survive it we have to hate our enemies, at least as much as they hate us.
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      @Joe
      “…meaning it is UNacceptable to rant aloud and actively discriminate”
      Could you please point out a date when active discrimination have became unacceptable?

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    14. Leen

      ‘Leen,
      You see, to me personally people who do – or support for that matter – honor killing, are actually not same people as I am, but some kind of dangerous pests, which must be re-educated or exterminated for the well-being of entire human civilization.
      And I don’t really care be it Arab, Jew, American, Russian or whoever else.
      Such behavior is totally unacceptable in 21st century and should be dealt with maximum possible harshness.’
      Yes and I said only the sickest of people can support these actions. Still I don’t know why you are bringing in honor killings in an article about hate speech in Israeli society. We can talk about eradication of honor killings in a thread about honor killings.

      ‘Justify? Of course not. Just fuels and ignites.
      But let’s leave alone honor killings, after all some of these hate-spitting kids actually do support it, because it is good when an Arab dies, isn’t it?’
      Then why are we bringing in the honor killings in an article that has nothing to do with honor killings? This is what is boggling my mind.

      ‘Honor killings really do mean not too much, what is much more important is everyday Jewes-hat narration by almost everyone in Arab world. It’s not that someone cares about the Palestinian problem, far from that. No, this conflict is between Jews and Arabs, and in order to survive it we have to hate our enemies, at least as much as they hate us.’
      I guess you completely ignored the quote I posted by Ahad Ha’am.

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    15. Beholder

      >Still I don’t know why you are bringing in honor killings in an article about hate speech in Israeli society.
      Hmmm
      >Yes and I said only the sickest of people can support these actions
      Fact #1 – (almost (I’d say at least 85% of(will be happy to see any contradicting data))) entire muslim society support these actions.
      Opinion #1 – only sickest of people can support these actions
      Conclusion #1 based of fact #1 and opinion #1 – at least 85% of muslim society are sickest of people.
      Question #1 – what’s wrong with hating sickest of people?
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      I’ve seen this quote by Ahad Haam numerous times.
      1 – It’s just his personal opinion
      2 – The conflict is not between “Palestinians” and “Israelis”, but between Jews and Umma
      3 – Jews were actively massacred in Judea before and after his visits
      4 – 5 generations have changed since Ahad Haam, yet the hate only grows stronger.
      evdei yimlokhu (slaves became kings) some 70 years ago, almost none of them (slaves) is alive to tell the story, yet their children still have to live with the ever increasing hatred.

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    16. Leen

      Beholder, whoa there where is this data you speak of? 85% seriously?
      It’s sad that you are willing to twist my words to paint 1 billion people with the same brush. Until you provide reliable data, I’m sorry but I cannot engage with someone who is willing to call 85% of the muslim population as the sickest of people.

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    17. Leen

      Ironic that you are engaging in Hate speech on an article dealing with hate speech.

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    18. Beholder

      Leen,
      Ok. Not 85%.
      Than how much?
      How many muslims, in your opinion, actually support honor killings?

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    19. Leen

      Depends on the region Beholder, there has never been a poll where every muslim says they support honor killings or not. Plus, my opinion doesn’t matter, it’s facts. Your opinion was the 85% which is shocking and says alot about your islamophobia.

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    20. Leen

      I should also mention Honor killings is not exclusively something Muslims practice. But Christians in Latin America, Hindus in India and so on have also practices honor killings.

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    21. Jack

      Israel always portray itself as democratic state, however if you study views by the israeli populations they arent democratic. It is these fundament that lays the ground for racism, islamophobia.

      “Israel Democracy Institute poll shows only 51% think Arabs, Jews deserve equal rights; Israel ranked least-stable democracy in the world.”
      http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=197436

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    22. Beholder

      >Depends on the region Beholder, there has never been a poll where every muslim says they support honor killings or not. Plus, my opinion doesn’t matter, it’s facts. Your opinion was the 85% which is shocking and says alot about your islamophobia.

      Since there were no such polls we’ll have to extrapolate.
      For example, how many times did we hear someone in somewhat high position in muslim country opposing these killings?
      How many times someone at all in muslim countries opposed it?
      Also, Quran actually condones punishing woman for all kinds of sins, thus making woman official B-class beings.

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    23. Jack

      “Also, Quran actually condones punishing woman for all kinds of sins, thus making woman official B-class beings.”

      I wonder why you just mention Quran when Christian and Jewish books also condone this kind of stuff.

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    24. Leen

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/02/04/toronto-fatwa-honour-killing-violence.html
      Altaf Husseini, Pakistani leader condemns honour killings. You just need a quick google search and find many sources.
      And to my knowledge most Muslims oppose it because nothing in the Quran says honor killings are permissible.

      Sources for your accusations in the quran? Any verses please? If you don’t, then that once again proves your islamophobia. I have no idea why you even bother.

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    25. Leen

      Also Beholder, since your islamophobia is so rampant, did you see that Tunisia’s Al-Nahda, an islamist party, actually rejected the notion to base Tunisian laws on Sharia law? Or does that not fit into your image of all muslims are evil?

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    26. Beholder

      “Men instructing women and women learning from men is not permissible in the view of the shariah”
      http://iftaa.jucanada.org/women_issues.aspx/women_issues/so_in_such_circumstances_would_it_be_permissible_for_a_woman_to_drive_a_car
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      >Also Beholder, since your islamophobia is so rampant, did you see that Tunisia’s Al-Nahda, an islamist party, actually rejected the notion to base Tunisian laws on Sharia law? Or does that not fit into your image of all muslims are evil?
      Let’s wait say 5 years and than see what’s going on there. Rejection is mere words.
      Besides, I’ve never said that ALL muslims are evil.

      >Sources for your accusations in the quran? Any verses please? If you don’t, then that once again proves your islamophobia. I have no idea why you even bother.

      018.074 So they went on until, when they met a boy, he slew him. (Musa) said: Have you slain an innocent person otherwise than for manslaughter? Certainly you have done an evil thing.
      ————
      018.080 And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them.

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    27. Beholder

      >I wonder why you just mention Quran when Christian and Jewish books also condone this kind of stuff.
      Christian and Jewish books are telling that woman are 2nd class creatures and must be punished by their guardians?
      I suggest you re-read these books.
      Besides, although there is some barbaric practices depicted in Tora and New Testament, I’m not aware of any christians or jews actually following them.

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    28. Jack

      Beholder,
      Wow you are ignorant. All abrahamian religions are based on patriarchy.

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    29. Brian Smith

      Leen, it’s been a pleasure to read your comments against the frothing maniacs.

      They will not look at their own behaviour as being disgusting and wrong because they justifiy everything they do on the basis that they are superior.

      Israeli hate speech is very well known – and even though I grew up around Catholic/Protestant bigotry I can say that nothing I witnessed is as foul as what Israelis are saying about Palestinians and other Arabs.

      good luck to you

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    30. Beholder

      >All abrahamian religions are based on patriarchy.
      And all life on earth is based on carbon and oxygen.
      Yet for some reason there is none (zero) honor killings among Jews, Protestants and Orthodox, extremely minute numbers among Catholics, and thousands of such killings (probably millions more unreported) by muslims.

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    31. Jack

      Beholder,
      We have an article here on 972mag that cover a Rabbi that condone raping. We other rabbis saying its legitimate to kill palestinian babies. Now, one are going to be a racist to generalize people from such statements.

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    32. Beholder

      So you see no difference between religious leaders’ statements regarding enemies, and males killing female members of the very same family on daily basis.

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    33. Jack

      Beholder,
      Palestinian babies are enemies?

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    34. Beholder

      Jack,
      Anwer #1 As much as Jewish babies are enemies of Palestinians/muslims.
      Kill ’em quickly, before they have a chance to grow up and fight back, you know.
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      Answer #2
      Palestinians have no problem sending young children to suicide bombing missions
      On March 24, 2004, one week after capturing a bomb in the bag of 12-year-old Abdullah Quran, Hussam Abdo, a 16-year-old Palestinian (who initially claimed he was 14), was captured in a checkpoint near Nablus wearing an explosive belt. The young boy was paid by the Tanzim militia to detonate himself at the checkpoint. IDF soldiers manning the checkpoint were suspicious of him and told him to stay away from people. Later, an EOD team arrived and by using a police-sapper robot, removed the explosive belt from him.[20][21] Hussam explained that he was offered 100 NIS and sex with virgins if he would perform the task. He said his friends mocked him in class.[22]
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#.22Baby_Suicide_Bomber.22_photo
      _
      https://www.google.co.il/search?q=children+palestinian+bomber&hl=iw&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dy97T-CgEcjX0QXitYijCQ&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=699&sei=hi97T9aIEMnT0QWN1KiZCQ
      Just tell me at what age person who wears uniform and suicide belt becomes a legitimate target.
      _
      Answer #3
      Do you really see no difference between religious leaders’ statements regarding enemies, and males killing female members of the very same family on daily basis?
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      Answer #4
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtt8V25lGmc
      These are children?
      Hell, no. They were children once, but not any longer. Where is my sniper rifle ?…

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    35. Jack

      Beholder,
      I asking you a question, do you think palestinian babies are enemies? Do you condone rape in warfare?

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    36. Leen

      @Beholder, umm I said a quran verse, not some obscure Imam and his tafsir in Canada. He does not serve the basis for all Muslims. For all I care his word is as Islam as Yigal Amir’s Judaism.

      ‘018.074 So they went on until, when they met a boy, he slew him. (Musa) said: Have you slain an innocent person otherwise than for manslaughter? Certainly you have done an evil thing.
      ————
      018.080 And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them.’

      Um what? THis has nothing to do with Women or women’s rights. THis is a story about Moses in the Quran, Try reading the whole chapter before you pull two verses out of context.

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    37. Beholder

      >umm I said a quran verse, not some obscure Imam and his tafsir in Canada. He does not serve the basis for all Muslims. For all I care his word is as Islam as Yigal Amir’s Judaism.
      So some imams who condemn honor killing are acceptable by you, whilst the other – does not serve the basis. Double standards?
      _
      >Um what? THis has nothing to do with Women or women’s rights. THis is a story about Moses in the Quran, Try reading the whole chapter before you pull two verses out of context.
      Oh, but it has everything to do with quran promoting murder. It won’t take a genius to thing that if the boy could’ve been killed for crime he haven’t committed yet, it is compulsory to kill the criminal.

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    38. the other joe

      All faiths can be subverted to the extent of being used as justification of immoral actions. Honor killings are immoral and wrong. If the holy books are being twisted to justify this, then that is sick. If a lot of people are doing it, then it is really sick. If there are a lot of honor killings and other offences against Palestinians by Palestinians in the occupied Palestinian Territories, that should certainly be reported on 972.
      .
      Anyway, back to the issue at hand. Is Israel going to deal with this discrimination against a minority or not?

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    39. Leen

      -So some imams who condemn honor killing are acceptable by you, whilst the other – does not serve the basis. Double standards?-
      You failed to provide Quranic evidence which I’ve asked you to do. Just like Yigal Amir who believes all Arabs should be killed, they are not representative of Judaism, nor is that obscure Canadian imam.

      ‘Oh, but it has everything to do with quran promoting murder. It won’t take a genius to thing that if the boy could’ve been killed for crime he haven’t committed yet, it is compulsory to kill the criminal.’
      Actually, the story was about Moses and an unnamed elder. It is not necessarily an Islamic promotion of murder, it is retelling of a tale. Let us not forget, there are a lot of bloody tales in the bible as well.
      If you do have a verse though where the Quran explicitly says please kill all Muslims or promotion of murder I would love to see it.
      For now I will leave you with this verse.

      [17:33] You shall not kill any person – for GOD has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped.

      By Justice here, it is interpreted as justification of capital punishment in the cases of serial killers and such.

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    40. Leen

      Also funny you would choose these claims, as I’ve done some more digging on the reasons for the verse and I’ve found this piece of knowledge.

      ‘Muslim historian and hagiographer, Muhammad bin Ishaq, reported in his book Sira that the eighteenth chapter of the Qur’an (which includes the story of Dhu l-Qarnayn) was revealed to the Islamic prophet Muhammad by Allah on account of some questions posed by rabbis residing in the city of Medina – the verse was revealed during the Meccan period of Muhammad’s life. According to Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad’s tribe, the powerful Quraysh, were greatly concerned about their tribesman who had started claiming prophethood and wished to consult rabbis about the matter. The Quraysh sent two men to the rabbis of Medina, reasoning that they had superior knowledge of the scriptures and about the prophets of God. The two Quraysh men described their tribesman, Muhammad, to the rabbis.
      The rabbis told the men to ask Muhammad three questions:
      They [the rabbis] said, “Ask him about three things which we will tell you to ask, and if he answers them then he is a Prophet who has been sent; if he does not, then he is saying things that are not true, in which case how you will deal with him will be up to you. Ask him about some young men in ancient times, what was their story For theirs is a strange and wondrous tale. Ask him about a man who travelled a great deal and reached the east and the west of the earth. What was his story And ask him about the Ruh (soul or spirit) – what is it? If he tells you about these things, then he is a Prophet, so follow him, but if he does not tell you, then he is a man who is making things up, so deal with him as you see fit.”[8]
      According to Ibn Ishaq, when Muhammad was informed of the three questions from the rabbis, he said that he would have the answers in the morning but did not say “if God wills it”. For fifteen days, Muhammad awaited eagerly for the revelation. Muhammad did not answer the question until then. Doubt in Muhammad began to grow amongst the people of Mecca. Then, after fifteen days, Muhammad received the revelation of al-Kahf as an answer to the questions.’

      Supports the retelling of tales that occurred in the past.

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    41. I am not sure that the anti-goyizm expressed by Israeli Jewish teenagers is specific to the State of Israel and Zionism. There is good reason to see such racism in Soviet Jewish, Czarist Jewish, and Eastern European Jewish behavior and actions throughout the 19th century.

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    42. XYZ

      When the official Palestinian Authority and the HAMAS regime in Gaza praise suicide bombers, name schools and parks after them and have them lauded in the state-controlled media, would that be considered Palestinian “hate speech”? Or are they allowed to have “hate speech”? And if they can have “hate speech” why can’t Jews have it?

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    43. Jack

      XYZ,
      Thats not a mature argument, justify murdering because other people murder. Great, just great.

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    44. the other joe

      xyz, I think too many Palestinians use hate speech and I’ve told them this to their faces. And if everyone stopped celebrating their military heroes, nobody would be more pleased than me.
      But I think there is a real difference between military heroes (which sadly almost everyone seems fixated on) and plain racism.
      .
      I have been to the occupied Territories a lot of times, I have heard a fair amount of rubbish being spoken by various Palestinians. But I have also been there with Jews a number of times and have only ever experienced respect. I don’t believe that Palestinians as a whole hate Jews mindlessly – what they hate is militarism. Sadly some fail to see that their own state of militarism is the mirror of the IDF they despise so much.
      .
      Anyway, this is largely irrelevant to the issue of Israeli youth mocking the deaths of other children in a bus crash.

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    45. XYZ

      J- like most Progressives I see here you only get outraged by what Israel does. In other words, Jewish blood is cheap, in fact Arab blood is cheap if they are being slaughtered by other Arabs…you and the rest simply don’t care. So my question to you is: Why is Israel supposed to be better than others? If you let others be violent, why net let Israel be violent?
      Look at how many Left/Progressives are in a rage becaust W. Bush ousted Saddam Hussein. If Saddam Hussein who killed hundreds of thousands is okay, or if Assad is okay, why do you hold Israel to a “higher standard” (not that I am comparing Israel to them). I thought you are the “universalist”…same rules for everyone!

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    46. XYZ

      The Other Joe-
      You don’t think Palestinians hate Jews, but they celebrate suicide bombers who go blow up school buses and synagogue courtyards full of women and children. Got it.

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    47. the other joe

      As I’ve said before, I abhor all violence. To me, IDF violence is no better or more justified than militant violence.

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    48. Jack

      XYZ,
      Israel better than others?
      Maybe because it claim to be a democracy? Maybe becuase it claim to have the most moral army in the world? Maybe because Israel occupy, annex committing collective punishment on a daily basis?

      Baruch Goldstein got a monument for gunning down alot of civilians, wasnt he hailed in Israel? The criminals behind Lavon Affair, wasnt these hailed?

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    49. XYZ

      When did the gov’t honor Goldstein?

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