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Catherine Ashton had it right: The death of a child is terrible, period.

The EU’s Baroness Catherine Ashton was reprimanded by Israel for daring to compare the murder in France to deaths of children in other parts of the world. But she was right.

Like most people, particularly Europeans, I’m not extremely fond of Baroness Catherine Ashton, the European Union’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. I certainly never thought I’d ever feel the urge to defend or support anything she said, but here goes.

For those who aren’t in the loop, after the disgusting murder of three Jewish children and an adult in Toulouse this week, Ashton made some remarks that infuriated quite a few:

Speaking at the event, the EU’s foreign minister said all should remember the young people who have been killed in all sorts of terrible circumstances – the Belgian children having lost their lives in a terrible tragedy and when we think of what happened in Toulouse today, when we remember what happened in Norway a year ago, when we know what is happening in Syria, when we see what is happening in Gaza and in different parts of the world – we remember young people and children who lose their lives.”

Prime Minister Netanyahu lead the way with the revenge:

Netanyahu said that one cannot compare “intentional massacre of children and an execution-style killing of an 8-year-old with the IDF’s defensive and surgical actions meant to harm terrorists who use children as human shields.”

Apparently, the EU said the statement was missing a word that Ashton said. “Sderot” was somehow omitted after the word “Gaza.” Everybody was totally distorting her words, the EU and Ashton said.

Well, Ashton’s right. She was distorted. She mentioned children around the world dying in horrible circumstances. I think that’s relevant, and legitimate.

But God forbid anyone dare compare an anti-Semitic murder to any other murder. No, killing Jewish children is so much worse than killing a Palestinian child. How dare Ashton compare that sick, disgusting, vile murderer to us? How dare she say “Jew” and “Palestinian” in the same breath?!?! And certainly children who die because they were – or believed to be by military “intelligence” – human shields are of a lower species.

Well let me tell you something, Bibi. There are kids dying in Gaza, and there have been dozens and hundreds – if not thousands – of kids who have died over 45 years of occupation. In fact, quite a few of them have died thanks to those “surgical actions” you mentioned.

I can’t help but remember a particular “surgical action” I’m particularly fond of. The one where Israel decided to kill that Salah Shehade, the Hamas mega-terrorist, who was one of those despicable guys using children as human shields. You see, what Israel said back then, was basically: “Fuck the kids.” And then, in the middle of the night of July 22, 2002, Israel dropped a bomb that weighed one ton on his house.

Israel got Shehade, alright. But it also got his wife and nine kids.

That’s murder. Not “ugly war,” not “collateral damage.” Cold, sick murder.

Oh, and how can we forget what Air Force Chief Dan Halutz said in an interview when asked what he thinks a pilot feels when he drops a bomb like that:

No. That is not a legitimate question and it is not asked. But if you nevertheless want to know what I feel when I release a bomb, I will tell you: I feel a light bump to the plane as a result of the bomb’s release. A second later it’s gone, and that’s all. That is what I feel.

So let me tell you something, Bibi. Ashton went easy on you. Real easy.

Because that murderer in Toulouse  was a seriously sick person.

But to do some of the things the IDF does, you have to be pretty sick, too.

In fact, I would have used different words than Ashton. Instead of “terrible” circumstances, “sick” would have been more appropriate.

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    1. shongalolla

      Do you know the difference between murder and kill?
      If I am at war with you, and you die at my hands.. I have killed you.
      If I deliberately walk into a Jewish school and grab a little girl by the hair and shoot her at point blank range – that is a murder.
      Stop trying to equate murder with the deaths of civilians in a war situation. Your story is weak and tragically pathetic.

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    2. AIG


      So are Americans “sick” for supporting Truman’s “sick” decision to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki and kill thousands and thousands of kids? Or is that different because Americans are enlightened and Israelis are “sick”?

      And is Obama “sick” for ordering drone attacks that killed many children over his 3 years in office?

      And are Palestinians “sick” because a majority of them supported suicide bombings in general and specifically the one at the Dolphinarium that killed 21 Israeli kids and injuring 132? I vividly remember the joy and jubilation among Palestinians after that attack.

      Two wrongs do not make a right. But it would be nice to know what your standards are and if you are not holding Israel to standards you don’t hold others.

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    3. @aig – this post is not about the topic you write of. but if you must know, then yes: all those you mentioned are sick. each and every one. have i passed your silly test?

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    4. AIG


      I wasn’t testing you, I was trying to understand your position. You have made yourself clear and I appreciate that.
      But please look a little deeply into your answer. What does it mean when you basically label most Americans of a certain era (those referred to as “the greatest generation”) as sick? Do you really believe that? And if you do, then basically your position is that humanity is sick. So why single out Israelis?
      Moral questions involving war are difficult to tackle. I am not saying there are easy answers. But you can’t totally ignore the fact that intention does matter just to bash Israel.
      Ashton is quite a douche-bag. Why did she mention Gaza and not the 11 kids just murdered in Afghanistan by the American Marine, which is a much more appropriate analogy and also more relevant? Because it is easy to pick on Israel and because she is biased. She is not worth defending.

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    5. @aig – so, what was she supposed to do? list every tragedy that ever happened? come on.
      I didn’t label the americans. and i’m not labeling all israelis. nor all palestinians. but what i am labeling is the circumstance. they are ALL terrible. ALL horrific. ALL children who died too young.
      now it’s my turn to ask you (i hope you cooperate as i did): was the action that took the lives of 9 children that night in Gaza murder or not?

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    6. AIG


      Ashton did not have to list every tragedy but the murder of 11 kids in Afghanistan just happened and was much more relevant than what happened in Gaza. Furthermore, it was done by a representative of the world’s superpower and a leading democracy. A country that should lead by example as it is the leader of the free world. And many more kids were killed than in Gaza. So why did she ignore it? Because she is biased and cowardly.
      The operation that killed 9 children in Gaza is not murder. Since Truman and Obama are not considered murderers, why is the operation in Gaza different? Do you know better and are you more moral than a vast majority of Americans?
      I think intention matters. I think the fact that someone hides among innocents should not give him immunity.

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    7. @aig – well that’s where we disagree.

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    8. Ohad

      a death of a child is the worst thing! any death also form the flue , cancer or a car accident .

      I think that there is a difference thou

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    9. AIG


      So you think Obama is a murderer? You think Truman is a murderer? There are logical conclusions that your positions lead to but I sense that you are not willing to endorse those conclusions. If so, you should reconsider your positions.

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    10. @aig – i advise the same to you.

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    11. AIG


      The thing is, I am willing to embrace the logical conclusions of what I believe in. It is you who are reluctant to say that Obama and Truman are murderers which is the logical conclusion of your position.

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    12. @aig – no, it is I who am refusing to embrace things you put in my mouth. frankly, i’ve had enough of it. if you try once again, i will delete your comment. if you have something to say on topic, go ahead.
      strike one.

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    13. AIG

      comment deleted

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    14. warned ya

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    15. Steve

      Wow, the relentless bashing of Israel and/or Netanyahu continues.
      Gaza is run by Hamas, a terrorist organization, which has sworn to destroy Israel. Rockets from Gaza fly into Israel regularly. So unfortunately, military actions happen, and sometimes innocent kids get caught in the way.
      That is very different from a cold-blooded murderer tracking down Jewish people specficially because of their religion and murdering them.
      To compare the two situations is absurd.
      But, of course, it’s easy to agree with a point that, in general, any innocent kids dying is obviously a bad thing.

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    16. BOOZ

      This article is beside the point.

      The execution of Shehadeh stems from the decision of a statesman who is accountable for the security of his fellow citizens and it can be presumed that its undesirable effects are offset by the benefits derived from the elimination of such a heinous character.

      Nothing in common indeed, with chasing a 8-year little girl, grabbing her by the hair and shooting her in the head.

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    17. Jerry

      Ami, the reason Palistinian children get killed, is because they are deliberately put in harms way by their own people. Why are there children present in a building where rockets are being fired from into Israel? Why are there children present where bombs are being manufactured? For the simple reason that the Palistinians want Israel to be demonised and for people like you to hate the Jews even more. I like this saying, because it is true… , ‘Israel will be at peace when the Palistinians love their children more than they hate the Jews’. Baroness Ashton deliberately mentioned Gaza, when talking about the Jewish Children massacred, because she was simply using the platform for her own misguided ideology. She has swallowed the same lie that you have.

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    18. Sinjim

      Exactly, Jerry. Palestinians are brutish animals who do not know how to love their own children, their own flesh and blood. They are guided by hatred for Jews, and this hatred is so strong that they will use their own children as tools in their genocidal campaign. I’m so glad someone finally said it. The truth about Palestinians has been kept under wraps for too long.

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    19. Nicole

      “Palestinians are brutish animals”
      This comment is so disgusting. Children died – in Toulousse. In Afghanistan. In Gaza. Everywhere, everyday, at the hands of adults who spread hate.
      Don’t use their deaths as pretext for more hate.

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    20. AIG


      There are some Palestinians that are happy when their children die in suicide operations. Parents of suicide bombers receive stipends from the PA or Hamas. The West Bank and Gaza are full of posters of “martyrs”. These are incontestable facts.

      How should I interpret them?

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    21. The question to ask here is: Why does a universal moral principle like the one expressed by Catherine Ashton work like a red rag to a bull for a confederacy of dunces?
      I should not have read Bibi’s reaction after the atrocity, since it interfered with my empathy. And it was not the first time that happened.

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    22. joe

      As I understand, Ashton was addressing a conference on Palestinian Youth. In that context, what she was saying was the reverse of what many people here are saying she said – namely that Palestinian conditions might be bad, but a load of children around the world experience bad things.

      It is kinda sad that even needed saying.

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    23. JERRY

      Another thing, Ami. You seem terribly pre-occupied with the evils of Israel’s so called murder of children.

      Why do you accept the murder in their beds of Israeli children, for example the Fogel children, but are horrified by children killed when Israel defends it’s citizens and tries to stop the terrorists that randomly fire rockets into residential areas?

      I am puzzled by your choice of champion. Your name suggests that you may be Jewish. How do you feel about the systematic campaign to eradicate Jews for centuries? Doesn’t your inner man have any desire to rise up in defense of your people? Don’t you allow the Jews/Israeli’s a right to live? I am puzzled by you and would very much like to read your life story.

      Personally, I don’t have the honour of being of Jewish decent, but I am struck that there is no other nation in the world that has ever faced the injustice, intolerance, racial hatred and sheer vicious hatred of centuries, all over the world, as the jews have. No other nation is denied the right to exist.

      Above all, there is no nation that can lay claim to the tremendous contributions in science, medicine, technology, music, art, that the Jewish nation has. This is despite all the attempts by the world to eradicate them.

      Your comments give the impression that, somehow, Israel should sacrifice it’s children, in order to protect the Palestinian children. You are asking Israel to allow the Palestinian children to grow up, in order to eventually drive what remains of the Israeli nation into the sea.

      Ami. You puzzle me.

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    24. Henry Weinstein

      I’m French, 52. Born in Burgundy, living in Paris.
      1. Some facts:
      The victims are:
      Imad Ib Ibn Ziaten 30 (Toulouse, 11 March)
      Abel Chennouf 25
      Mohamed Legouad 24 (Montauban, 15 March)
      Gabriel Sandler 4
      Arieh Sandler 5
      Jonahan Sandler 30
      Myriam Monsonego 7 (Toulouse, 19 March).
      Kaddish for all the victims, compassion for all the families.
      2. Who the “Toulousains” elected as mayor of their town?
      Pierre Cohen.
      Is Toulouse (more than 400.000 inhabitants) a Jewish settlement in France?
      And so on.
      I don’t live in the nightmare described by Netanyahu and Co, I don’t live in an anti-semitic giant base: I live in France, the real one. Ma patrie, mon pays. And I’m not going to leave my homeland. Stop your bullshit, Israeli politicians & media.
      “Les Israélites” are in France since more than 2000 years. As a teenager I discovered in most small towns in Burgundy, sometimes even villages, the medieval street where the Jewish merchants lived. The economy was rural at that time, each corporation had his street.
      My name “Weinstein” was exotic for other kids at school, but not Cohen, Zimmerman, Becker.
      And so on.
      How does it felt to hear and to see Bibi Duck and other political Israeli vultures these last few days?
      Nausea. Indignation. Despise.
      Who do they think they are: The Popes of the French Jews?

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    25. JERRY

      Engelbert and Joe – Ashton should have kept her mouth shut or kept it to a simple ‘oh dear’.

      Given the history of all that the Jews have suffered at the hands of most of the world’s nations, for thousands of years, no other pain or injustice or tragedy can compare in magnitude and duration. Comparisons, at such a time, are odious.

      That is why everyone was appalled at her blunder.

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    26. Aaron the Fascist Troll

      I doubt that this woman was referring to that particular attack when she mentioned the children killed in Gaza. If she was, then *maybe* there’s some room for comparison. But most likely, she was talking about children who were killed more recently, most of them (presumably) as a result of justified attacks.
      That quote by Halutz is about the only thing I respect about the guy. He didn’t play along with the journalist’s stupid game. I don’t know enough about the IAF attack you mentioned to have any opinion on it, but good for Dan Halutz for answering that question in that way.
      I don’t know how you could go off on “But God forbid anyone dare compare an anti-Semitic murder to any other murder…” without intentionally misunderstanding what these people are clearly saying. It’s not about Jews vs. goyim, it’s about targeting children vs. killing them unintentionally as a “double effect” of attacking legitimate targets. Your opponents’ claim is definitely open to criticism, but a good first step is to state it honestly.

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    27. @Jerry, you are offending many people with your remarks. The fact that we know so much about the suffering of Jews is because they have the power to do so. Most persecuted people don’t have the means to do so. And those who have perished completely have no voice left.
      Ami gave just a few examples of Zionists murdering innocents. Their database could not contain all the horrors inflicted upon the Palestinians for the last 120 years.
      Rachel Corrie did not hide behind a bulldozer, she was murdered by it.

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    28. Henry Weinstein

      I forgot to say that my comment was about the indecent political exploitation in Israel of the Toulouse killings in France: not the main subject of your article Ami, but closely related to my opinion.
      Here in France we don’t scream like maniacs when such tragic events happen.

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    29. joe

      Jerry – sadly the suffering of Jews through the ages is not the only suffering that goes on.

      It sounds like you don’t want her to remind the Palestinians that they are not the only ones who are suffering..?

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    30. Ohad

      Henry a few things first I am an Israeli Bibi does not represent me neither this gov
      I am more then happy when Jewish people are doing well out side of Israel , and hell I even got a work visa and chose to work in the US , BC with my skills in the US I got a better job.

      but you have to understand me and my family are Israelis we have no other home, you are welcome to move to Israel or not , but we will fight to stay BC we have no other place to call a homeland like you do

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    31. AIG


      Dreyfus also stayed in France after he was released. You are more than welcome to stay also.

      And by the way, your countrymen rounded up tens of thousands of Jews and sent them to die. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vel'_d'Hiv_Roundup

      France is a great country. I lived there a year and love visiting there. But I am sorry to say you have illusions about the safety of Jews there. What percent of the vote is Le Pen going to get in the presidential elections?

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    32. Ilan

      Of course no two things are alike, and there is a difference between intentionally targeting children, and simply ignoring their future deaths when bombing a militant/terrorist. If you are pro-Israel in general and more right-wing you are going to overplay that difference, and if you are more pro-Palestinian or left-wing you’re going to underplay that difference.

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    33. JERRY

      Engelbert – I am offending nobody with what I have said, unless the TRUTH hurts. Your comment about ‘Zionists’ killing innocents shows that you have swallowed the same old lies. The horrors you claim to have been inflicted upon the Palestinians, and fail to mention those suffered by the Jews of Israel, show that you have bought the propoganda. One cannot argue through blindfolds.

      Joe – I didn’t say that the Jews are the only ones suffering. Certainly they are the only ones that are daily threatened with extermination. They are the only ones that are almost globally denied the right to existence and the right to a home of their own. To belittle that fact is to betray the kernel of antisemitism that festers in the heart of every so called ‘human rights activist’.

      Any minute now, one of you will say that the Holocaust never happened or that the Jews stole the land from the Palestinians.

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    34. Henry Weinstein

      @ OHAD
      Dear, Ohad, you have to understand that I just said what I said!! Where do you pick in my words the absurd idea that Israel is not your homeland, your country??!! Believe me, I’m not at all against the fact Israel exists since 1947, and the possibility that Israel could be my shelter if Nazi or Space Invaders invade again France!!
      But at the present time what we have in Israel is a Bibi Duck who speaks and acts like if he was the master of the world, the President of the USA being his servant: so we are a bit nervous in France, because he actually don’t bother at all with anti-semitism, this Bibi Duck. On the contrary, he likes it, to speak in our name without asking the permission. “They are my fan club”, he say, my chosen people. Non non non!!! Va te faire foutre, connard.
      Listen, I just wrote something saying I had enough with The Cynical Political Exploitation Show (Copyright: Likud & AIG). Et merde!, it was against France and the French people these killings, furthermore this proto-Jihadist was much more in a Rambo & Scarface trip than anything else.
      I’m proud Israel exist, andI love the Israeli people, even if France is given such a bad press again and again by people who know only the USA and their bubble!!! In short, Ohad, I simply said that I despise your present very vulgar populist dumb leadership.
      Hé copain, ce n’est pas un crime!!!

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    35. aristeides

      Quoth Jerry: “Any minute now, one of you will say that the Jews stole the land from the Palestinians.”

      Here you go. Happy? Oh, and they’re still stealing it.

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    36. Henry Weinstein

      @ AIG
      Consider I’m 52, 52 years in France. Born November 1959, in a small town in rural France. And that my Dad, born in Romania 1913, was the only living Jew in my family. So if you think you were smart to inform me via a Wikipedia link about the Shoah, I can tell you – and you are very lucky to be hidden behind your computer screen and your AIG Tag: you were not.
      You forgot pogroms, my Dad and his family survived one, in 1919.

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    37. bill dalton

      She did not have it right. She tried to compare an eight year old girl chased down by a monster and having her brains blown out in front of her father to anything else. She is a moron and should reisign.

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    38. annie

      i love that word, surgical. it’s so..clean. and it conjures the idea, subconsciously, the murder is a professional. it’s so common, the surgical murders of inconsequential little nothings (as sinjin reminds us, the offspring of “brutish animals”) as compared to the rarity of a barbarian chasing down a pure innocent good child. so different how could anyone imagine these children had anything in common? one, an animal killed in surgery another an act of bloody terror. western press did not even print the names of the afghan children slaughtered by the american soldier. no one even mentioned the religion of the murderer(s) nor were christian leaders called to condemn the slaughter. no one even mentioned it was a racist rampage committed by koran burners. this comment section is very ugly indeed. catherine ashton had it right: the death of a child is terrible, period. and the killing of a child, any child, is grotesque. surgically, the professional barbarian felt a light bump while the terrorist monster who chased on foot felt a rush of pleasure. in the minds of both men they were at war so in the end they both justified their immoral acts. and the drunken american soldier had a brain tumor, all the afghan witnesses who saw multiple soldiers were disappeared from the news and the afghan parlimentarian investigation ignored in the western press as was the fact the slaughter took place in two villages at the same time and the bodies burned and the whole world morns for the slaughterd jewish children because jews have suffered historically, and they kill little beasts surgically.

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    39. JERRY

      Annie & Aristeides – this comment section is about 2 seperate issues.
      a) The killing of children is awful. Every one of us agree on that. Simply because they are innocent and powerless. Equally – the killing of the soldiers and the father of the children was awful, as they were gunned down in cold blood.

      b) The rampant anti-semitism becomes evident in discussions like this, simply because Jews were involved. Whether they are the perpetrators or the victims, someone immediately chooses to make a stage of the incident – as Baroness Ashton did.

      As for all of you anti-zionists, I have to ask if you have ever considered historically researching the subject you are so passionate about. Not anti-zionist propoganda – but actual true history. You see Palestine as it is now, but do you know that the Arabs refused to settle in peace with the Jews from the very beginning and set about their jihad by killing thousands of Jews in cold blood. Hacking off their ears as trophies and chanting “death to the Jews”? Do you know that the Mufti of Jerusalem was collaborating with Hitler well before Israel was declared a state in 1948, attempting to wipe out the Jewish presence in Israel?

      Again and again the Arab world has declared war on Israel. In fact, Israel is a mere speck on the map beside a vaste stretch of the globe that is now Arab controlled. Yet – the Arabs want even that. Why? Simple! Because it matters to the Jews and because it matters to God. The scriptures say that the Messiah will come when the Jews return to Israel from the 4 corners of the world. He will appear in Jerusalem. This is what Islam wishes to hinder, by destroying the Jewish state. It is a Holy war between the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the one who says he has no son and demands death to all Jews. If you have no belief or interest in Biblical History and if you have no passion for Truth, then you have no validity in this argument, because you haven’t a clue about what is going on.

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    40. annie

      i am not an anti zionist although i am an anti colonialist. your political ideology i would have no problem with had it not required the ethnic cleansing of another people. you are living in a fantasy if you think arabs don’t want you there because the “the Messiah will come when the Jews return to Israel.” speaking of ‘death to jews’, what do you think of the ‘death to arabs’ graffiti documented all over mosqued thanks to your fruitcake religious fanatics? the difference? none. nonewhatsoever. as for your ‘killing thousands of Jews in cold blood’ allegations do you mean before or after your terrorists drove hundreds of thousands of them off their land prior to any arab armies ‘invading’ if you could even call it that since technically the areas they ‘invaded’ were not even part of the israel at that time? or are you referencing something that happened thousands of years ago? “He will appear in Jerusalem.” uh huh. “It is a Holy war between the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…..” no, it’s a land grab. your biblical stories are your rationale for theft. increasingly this is what it looks like because it is the truth. if only it were true that it was a land with no people waiting for you to return, but it wasn’t true so they lied. stop lying to yourself and stop lying to others. no one believes israel wants peace anymore. land is more important to israel than peace, and not the land your already have but the land you have yet to conquer. we see it,the world is watching and the status quo is unsustainable. “The rampant anti-semitism becomes evident in discussions like this, simply because Jews were involved.” so tell me why the rampant racism was never even mentioned when muslim children were slaughtered recently in afghanistan? why? is anti semitism worse than racism? more rampant? more jews killed than muslims in this war on terror? 10 to 1 odds? tell us why your children are more valuable than muslim children because i do not understand the language in which you speak. can’t we just say he was a lone shooter with a head ache?

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    41. annie

      sorry for all the typos, it’s 2:30 am here.

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    42. aristeides

      Bill Dalton – you want a direct comparison? Iman al-Hams.

      The difference? France moves all its resources to track down and stop the killer. NOT after he murders two of its own soldiers, but after he kills a Jewish child.

      Israel acquits and absolves its killer.

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    43. joe

      Jerry – I didn’t say you did say that Jews were the only ones suffering. Quite why not-saying-something-you-said-I-said-about-you equates to anti-semitism, I have no idea.

      What I said was that Jewish suffering is not the only kind of suffering that goes on in the world. I did not seek to imply you thought otherwise – I was simply commenting on the fact that Ashton was talking about suffering in the plural, rather than specifically and simply only about Jews.

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    44. joe

      Bill, you don’t have to look far to find total innocents and bystanders killed in Gaza – for example the family of Dr Izzeldin Abuelaish. If you use the tools of war, you kill innocents.

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    45. JERRY

      Annie – Ethnic Cleansing!!! Really, Annie!? My gosh, how old are you? Do you even know the meaning of the word? Have you ever set foot in Israel or Palestine for that matter? Gosh, girl, you can’t just go about injesting every bit of propoganda and recycle it as fact.

      We could name victims on both sides until hell freezes over, but the facts remain such –
      a) The Arab world wishes to wipe out the Israeli State and all it’s Jewish Inhabitants.
      b) Given half a chance, that is exactly what will happen.
      c) Any sign of weakness on Israel’s side, will escalate the violence against Israel.
      d) Should the Israeli’s capitulate and ‘give the land back,’ although the country has been inhabited by Jews for thousands of years, every Jew in the country will be hunted down.
      e) Not one country will open it’s borders to the Jewish refugees and then you will see ethnic cleansing.
      f) Those who believe the lies about Palestine will feel no pain for the devastation of the Jewish Nation, again!

      Well, that’s my lot. Only time will tell.

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    46. JERRY

      Finally, for Joe – since it would be rude not to respond. I appreciate your point.

      Do understand, though, that the Jewish nation has stood on the very cliff edge of destruction (several times), (the Egyptians, the Persians, the Turks and Arabs, the Europeans – i.e. German, French, Polish, Czech, etc). Watching it’s people plunge to their deaths, with nobody willing to step up and help. So-called civilized nations were more concerned about ‘quotas’ than lives in the 1940’s. You have to understand that the Jewish nation are sensitive about being hunted like animals and also sensitive about being called the aggressor, at this late point in the game.

      Do you call a black footballer overly sensitive and self-involved when he gets annoyed about bananas being thrown on the pitch? Do you say, oh no not THAT again?

      Just as the so-called black races understand racism on a whole new level, in the same way, the Jews understand suffering on a level no other nation can claim.

      Let’s at least give them that small concession?!

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    47. aristeides

      Jerry has swallowed so much of the Koolaid, his eyeballs are lime. His drivel makes Benzion Netanyahu look level-headed and sane. Is this what they teach in CUFI Sunday schools?

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    49. joe

      Jerry, it is ridiculous to suggest that I (or anyone else) is morally obliged to mention the Jewish suffering every time something bad happens. Many people let Jews suffer throughout the last 2000 years.
      I can’t see a direct link between that and other children dying, can you?
      Using your logic, every time a black sportsman is racially abused, a Jew should stand up and tell everyone that he is actually more deserving of pity than the person who was actually abused.

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    50. JERRY

      Sorry, Ami. Was it the term ‘poopyhead’, that you object to? I was trying to joke with Aristeides and his fascinating and insightful comment about Koolaid!?…

      Joe – I think you need to read my comment again (or not). This is getting ridiculous, when you can draw the above conclusion from my statement.

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