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Ashkenazis, it is time to acknowledge our racism

The easiest way to avoid being called racist is to only hang out with Ashkenazis. But I hate this, and need to admit that I treat Mizrahis differently. Now all that is left is to start making a change.

By Ruth Stern

When my friend and poet Shlomi Hatuka asked me to write something about Ashkenazis and Mizrahis, I became a bit worried. How will I write without people seeing my own racism?

The surest way to not demonstrate one’s racism is by avoiding. If I do not find myself around Mizrahis, black people or Arabs then I won’t be racist. I know this strategy well. When I came out of the closet as a lesbian, many of my closest friends became distant. It was easy for me to believe that they acted that way because they couldn’t stand the fact that I am a lesbian, but I believe that what they really couldn’t stand were their own feelings. They, of course, do not see themselves as homophobes. So where do such strong feelings come from? And what will happen should someone recognize them for what they are? So they took a few steps back – anything so that they don’t have to deal with that terrible feeling. But when they went away, I was left alone. I don’t want to do the same thing to Mizrahis.

My most immediate connection with what is happening today with the Mizrahis of Ars Poetica (a monthly poetry and music event, which features many up-and-coming Mizrahi poets) is that instead of erasing themselves, they are standing out. Instead of accepting integration they are speaking out. Just like I do not accept the idea of being the quiet lesbian who just wants to live a quiet life, and instead insists on kissing in public, making noise and not tolerating homophobia.

Mizrahi activists protest outside Finance Minister Yair Lapid's house, north Tel Aviv. (photo: Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

Mizrahi activists protest outside Finance Minister Yair Lapid’s house, north Tel Aviv. (photo: Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

That question of “why are you raising such a stink?” comes up again and again for me as well as for Mizrahis. They tell us that we are all the same – straight, gay, Mizrahi, Ashkenazi. Only you are making distinctions, they say, not us. But when you are part of the dominant group, it is easier to say “we are all the same,” because you don’t have to move an inch when making such a claim. When you tell me that we are all the same, you actually mean to say that no one will even know I am a lesbian if I grow my hair. Why do you insist on being different? Why do you need this strange haircut? Why can’t you just wear a skirt? It’s exactly like telling a Mizrahi person: What’s the deal with your music, and why are you wearing that necklace?

I’d like to say a few things about my own racism. I want to make clear that I hate this aspect of myself. I hate it so much and try hard to rid myself of it – but it sticks like gum on the bottom of my shoe and refuses to disappear. Meanwhile, while trying my best to get rid of my own racism, I am blind to how racist I actually am.

I noticed that when I pass a dark-skinned person on the street, I will make less room for him or her to pass. It seems like nothing, but it is so deeply ingrained in me, because it means that I pay less attention to that person’s existence. Their existence is less felt to me than that of someone who is white.

I often find myself interrupting Mizrahis mid-sentence. Sometimes I won’t let the person speaking finish their sentence – other times I’ll start speaking to someone and won’t notice that she’s in the middle of a conversation with another person.

Or that second when you are astounded that a Mizrahi says something intelligent (I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m sorry). That feeling is so powerful that it does not matter how many intellectual Mizrahis I know personally.

Unfortunately, there are probably many more examples. What is even more unfortunate is that that getting beyond these behavioral patterns will probably lead me to discover others. But what can I do? This is the only way.

I want to write something to the Ashkenazis who fill the internet with their vile words of hate and arrogance. Our job is not so complicated. We are not asked to understand, accept or give our well-informed opinion. Our job is to shut up. Yes, it is nice if we show our support, but this is not the main issue. Instead of Mizrahis doing what they need to do in order to change their situation, they are wasting their time trying to fend off verbal attacks by Ashkenazis. It’s time for that to come to an end.

The struggle for Mizrahi recognition isn’t limited to Israel
‘But you’re not really Mizrahi’: Rewriting an erased identity
Can a Mizrahi girl fit into Israel’s national story?

Ruth Stern is a lesbian, mother of three, transcriber and writer. She lives in Tel Aviv’s Hatikva neighborhood. This article was first published on +972′s Hebrew-language sister site, Local Call. Read it in Hebrew here.

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    1. Proud Arab Jew

      Thank you for this. I’m sick and tired of the racism. I live in the Jewish diaspora, but it is here too.

      I won prizes at school the other day for getting the highest English and art marks, and also for my contribution of interesting information in history-class discussions (lol).

      Anyways, guess what comment I got afterwards from a ‘friend’? ‘All these prizes, and you’re not even Ashkenazi!’

      There’s more though. Not all, but some people (whose words hurt enough and whom nobody else stands up to) call us ‘Arab’ here as a slur. People tell my brother he looks like Osama bin Laden (he doesn’t) simply because we are Mizrahi. They make fun of our music. They say to us, ‘you can see you are an Arab!’ when we mess up — and yes, these are ‘friends’ who say this, unaware of their racism. Or they say, when they see another Mizrahi at our house, ‘who invited this Muslim?’ FRIENDS.

      These people made me so ashamed of my roots, that I used to wish so badly I could be Ashkenazi and hide my culture. Now, I am so proud of our beautiful music, food, culture and look.

      And even the Israeli term, ‘ars’ with an ayin, is racism in a way. It’s like how Americans view black ‘ghetto culture’ — in a derogatory way. So what if this dude wears chain necklaces etc? It’s cool. It’s culture.

      The one thing I will say, though, is that I hope Mizrahim see past Jewish nationalism, because we can be the key to creating peace in the region. Our culture is so similar; why must we be racist to our Arab neighbours if we love the same maqams, foods, drinks, and even look similar?

      This is also why I believe a one-state could work one day (this is not going to be a popular opinion, but oh well).

      (now somebody will accuse me of Arab nationalism that leaves out Ashkenazis, just wait (even though this is obviously NOT what I am saying here)).


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      • Peter Hindrup

        Good on you Lass (I think!) If only there were more like you.

        It took a significant chunk of my life to get to where yo are already. Congratulations.

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        • Kiwi

          You are as prejudiced as you ever were Peter, old boy.

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          • Bryan

            What???? A generous warm-hearted compliment to someone posting on this site for the first time and candidly relating personal experiences can be construed as prejudice, and you then cap it by patronizing the poster. Perhaps you have a good side to you but you badly need to let that come out of the closet. Brash antipodean!

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      • First, congratulations on your prizes. Second, thanks for the breath of fresh air and common sense you’ve displayed. Your parents must be very proud!

        “The one thing I will say, though, is that I hope Mizrahim see past Jewish nationalism, because we can be the key to creating peace in the region. Our culture is so similar; why must we be racist to our Arab neighbours if we love the same maqams, foods, drinks, and even look similar?

        This is also why I believe a one-state could work one day (this is not going to be a popular opinion, but oh well).”

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        • Gustav

          “The one thing I will say, though, is that I hope Mizrahim see past Jewish nationalism”

          I hate to disapoint you. Mizrahi Jews tend to vote more for right wing parties. Poll after poll shows this.

          Any more bright ideas?

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          • Bryan

            There may be a reason for that – deny a group that forms the majority of Israeli Jews the same educational opportunities that the elite take for granted, shunt them into inferior jobs and inferior neighborhoods, deny them genuine equality of opportunity, and you may well find them succumbing to the message of Shas – just as the the underclass in other countries vote for the Republicans, UKIP, the French National Front and Greece’s Golden Dawn, especially since it may not be nice to belong to an underclass but at least you are “better” than immigrants – or in Israel’s case the one non-immigrant group of the Palestinians

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          • Gustav

            There may also be a reason for your simplistic story tellings.

            Anyone who succumbs to theories like yours, also believes in conspiracy theories and in little green men from Mars.

            And some do! You know why? Because for those who are relatively less successful, be it Ashkenazim, Sephardim or Mizrahim, it is easier to blame OTHERS for it. That’s the theory behind it all. That is why you people pull out this race card to play with. But thinking Ashkenazim, Mizrahim and Sephardim see what you are trying to do …

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    2. Gray

      And that’s only the prejudices and discrimination within Judaism! What about the attitude towards foreigners? Any group that has such a deeply engrained “us vs. them” stance is in danger of falling for racism, imho. And, of course, that triggers negative sentiments from the “other side” in return. I think it’s about time to be honest about that. It isn’t only a one way street of racism, constant victimhood – when a group promulgates a sense of superiority, this will lead to reactions. It takes a stronger focus on individuals and equality to avoid this, imho.

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    3. Kolumn5

      Wow. You really are a racist. The statement ‘we are the same and should be treated equally’ is the absolute and explicit opposite of racism. I dont have to respect or like the music someone listens to, and they can call the music I listen to crap. I don’t have to shut up because someone in the room makes stupid comments based on their race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or social class. In fact, acting differently to people based on any of these things is the opposite of equality and decency. You need to stop being a racist, but that is your problem, and you need to deal with it. I categoritically reject the entire approach that equality and anti-racism is based on forcing people to treat others differently on the basis of real or artificial distinctions.

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    4. Gustav

      Wow all Ashkenazim are racist huh?

      That in itself is a racist statement.

      FACT 1: Intermarriage between Ashkenazim and Mizrahi Jews is rife and is on the rise. It is a good thing too because Israel is a melting pot. We are ALL Israelis here, not Ashkenazim, Mizrahim or Sephardim but Israelis with differing ancestries which can be honored or ignored depending on our own personal preferences. But most of us think of us only as Israelis.

      FACT 2: Read fact 1 above.

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      • Bryan

        “Rife” may be something of an exaggeration – though certainly it has increased from the lows of the 1960s and 70s. But a 2007 Hebrew University study I saw pointed out that it was overwhelmingly lower status Ashkenazis that married higher status Mizrahis, so such “mixed” marriages do not undermine the Ashkenazi elite or provide real evidence of what you optimistically refer to as a “melting-pot”. Anyway great to know that Israeli society is not racist / ethnocratic – do you have figures for Arab Jews marrying Arab non-Jews

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        • Gustav

          Lower status? Higher status? Bryan?

          What exactly do you mean by status? Are YOU lower or higher status?

          Personally, I am a firm believer of no status. I respect individuals for what they do and how they behave.

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          • Bryan

            Laudible sentiment, but somewhat naive to believe there is no such thing as socio-economic status. May be time you studied sociology. All individuals are intrinsically equal in their worth and in the weight of their vote, but they live in a society, where there are gross inequalities in educational attainment, professional qualification, earning power and wealth, and virtually all societies are organized in such a way as to protect the privileges and interests of high status groups – America, Britain and Israel in particular.

            For instance, in 2012 Ashkenazim earned 42% more than the average wage (up from 26% more 10 years earlier). Mizrahim earned 9% more than the average (up 9% in 10 years). Arab Israelis earned 66% of the average wage (down 5% in ten years). The average CEO salary bill was 42 times greater than the average wage in 2012. The top 1% of Israelis pocketed 13.5 billion NIS in non-wage capital income (e.g. dividends, interest) while the bottom 90% took 1.5 billion NIS. The top 20% had a retirement income almost 20 times greater than the bottom 20%. Households living below the poverty line (19.8% in Israel in 2010) was almost double the OECD average of 11.1%. Inequality in Israel was 5th highest of 35 OECD countries. Social safety net spending by Israel was the lowest in the OECD at 15.8% of GDP compared with an average 21.9%. There were huge differences in access to university education for affluent (primarily Ashkenazi) neighbourhoods, compared with development towns (primarily Mizrahi). See http://www.adva.org/uploaded/social-Eng-1.pdf

            Please don’t tell me everyone is equal.

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          • Gustav

            One can prove anything with statistics. But tell me this Bryan?

            Who is keeping the “low status” Ashkenazim down?

            Also, you have not answered my question, are YOU high status or low status? Now that you revealed your measure of status as “MONEY”, it should be easy enough to answer that question? And no, I am not the one who is being rude or pushy. Because you already labelled my Ashkenazi family as low status by implication for marrying Mizrahim and Sephardim. Want rude? That was being rude! In fact it is also rude to the Sephardi and Mizrahi members of my family as well.

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    5. Victor Arajs

      AshkeNAZIS are genetically racist and must be expelled from Palestine in order for peace to occur. Mizrahim are not off the hook either because they impoverished their host countries when they came to the zionist entity

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      • Gustav

        “AshkeNAZIS are genetically racist ”

        Dickhead alert!

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    6. “Mrs. Netanyahu castigated the plaintiff, and explained to him ‘We are Europeans. We are refined, we don’t eat as much as you Moroccans. … You are fattening us and then when we are photographed abroad, we look fat,'” it said.” LOL!!!!!!! Europeans huh? “You can clean up a pig, put a ribbon on it’s tail, spray it with perfume, but it is still a pig.” Is she being force-fed?

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    7. Words are funny –

      “FACT 1: Intermarriage between Ashkenazim and Mizrahi Jews is rife and is on the rise.”

      Definition of rife

      1. (especially of something undesirable or harmful) of common occurrence; widespread.

      “male chauvinism was rife in medicine in those days”

      widespread, general, common, universal, extensive, ubiquitous, omnipresent, endemic, inescapable, insidious, prevalent

      1. In an unchecked or widespread manner.

      “speculation ran rife that he was an arms dealer”

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    8. Gustav

      “Definition of rife.” Whatever.

      To the grand Inquisitor, of the thought police department, her royal highness, Manic Marnie:

      For the record, I am all in favor of inter-marriage between Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews. And that fact is obvious from my above post.

      My own family has Ashkenazim and Mizrahim who are married to each other. All of them good people.

      Satisfied oh great grand Poobah?

      For the record: English is not my first language, I thought we already discussed that or was that with that other Asshole who calls himself Brian? Oh well, who cares anyway?

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    9. I thought that english wasn’t your mother tongue but didn’t want to assume that and thereby offend you. It seems like a lot of time you don’t understand the meaning of my posts or other people’s post and I definitely see a language barrier in that you don’t comprehend the words you use or some of us assholes use.

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      • Gustav

        “… but didn’t want to assume that and thereby offend you.”

        Since when?

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    10. “but didn’t want to assume….” That is in the past tense.

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      • Gustav

        Since yesterday then. Does not add up though given the things you said way before yesterday.

        But hey, who is complaining? It is the sort of inconsistent BS one has come to expect from some of the posters on sites like these. Know what I mean … ? No? Don’t wanna know? That’s ok too …

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        • “Since yesterday then. Does not add up though given the things you said way before yesterday.”

          Here we go again.

          past tense – noun; noun: past tense; plural noun: past tenses

          a tense expressing an action that has happened or a state that previously existed.

          “the story is told in the past tense”

          It doesn’t mean “yesterday” monsieur. Concentrate on the “state that previously existed” part, no date given or implied. Crimony!

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    11. It isn’t surprising that Mizrahim may be to the right politically as any ashkenazi because of the desire for acceptance by the ashkenazi, the so-called “ruling class” of the state if israel. The desire to be accepted makes people do things that are actually to their own detriment (losing their own identity, bleaching their skin, straightening their hair, etc.) and it doesn’t work anyway because the “ruling class” aren’t interested in giving up their special status. In the US, emancipation did not translate into equality by any means at all and “color” continues to be an issue, as the old saying “If you’re white, you’re right; If you’re yellow, you’re mellow; If you’re red, your dead; If you’re brown, stick around; And if you’re black, get back”. More people have been fooled by the notion that if they just conform to the injustices, they can “change things from within”. Some things never change (see Ferguson, MO)

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      • Gustav

        “The desire to be accepted”

        Probably over 50% of Israelis are Mizrahim or Sephardim. They are part of the mainstream.

        Also, lotsa’ lotsa’ Sephardim and Mizrahim in leadership positions and with lotsa’ influence in industry, the arts, sports and politics.

        Nice try to sow misinformation and discontent. Classic psychological warfare technique. But nah it won’t work with us Israelis.

        The only thing it is good for at best, is to reinforce the idiotic beliefs of people who already dislike us or just plainly side with the Arabs and we just happen to be in their way.

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    12. You’re unconscionable refusal to see anything that might cast an unfavorable light on israel or israelis is unforgivable. “Nice try to sow misinformation and discontent”. Do you hear yourself at all massa? So everyone’s happy because you say so? The multitude of personal stories about racism in israel, including the one here by Ruth Stern and the personal post by Proud Arab Jew is just lies, just people trying to “sow misinformation and discontinent?” You sound like Sara Netanyahu, claiming Moroccon cuisine is responsible for her obesity, talking about being “european” (not semitic? I know!) and whining about not photographing well “abroad” (whoever told her she photographed well locally was afraid of losing his/her job).

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      • Gustav

        Individual prejudices do exist in Israel in the same way that they exist anywhere – where humans dwell.

        Is Israel worse than any other place? Nope.

        Are we worse than the Arabs for instance? Nope.

        Are there SOME Ashkenazi racists? Yep.

        Are there SOME Sephardi racists? Yep.

        Are there SOME Mizrahi racists? Yep.

        Are there extreme leftist racists like Brian for instance who hates Americans? Yep.

        Are there Americans who hate Jews? Yep just look at “Average American’s” post below. Of course he is anything but average. And likewise, Ashkenazi racists are anything but average.

        Now do you get it, Marnie dear?

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    13. “But nah it won’t work with us Israelis”. Not something to boast about. Psychological warfare – please, anything that doesn’t tow the party line is warfare?

      Talking won’t work with you israelis then as that involves a lot of inner work, self-reflection, something that Rueven Rivlin showed a surprising ability for, but he has no power, no authority and most importantly no men or women of a like mind in the knesset.

      Looks like nothing works with you israelis, nothing that doesn’t involve money, bombs, bullets or bulldozers.

      The GOI has no right to whine that there isn’t a Palestinian peace partner when the GOI has demonstrated the inability and unwillingness to engage in meaningful, truthful dialogue, or what some people would incorrectly call “psychological warfare”. That only leaves the continuing bullshit of the last 60+ years with no end in sight. I hope it is crystal clear to the rest of the civilized, non-third world countries that the GOI is not a peace partner for anyone, and has stuck a knife in the back of all it’s so-called friends. Have fun with that, I mean, what could possibly go wrong? (Karma is a MF, for real.)

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      • Gustav

        Cut your crap Marnie.

        In 1947, we accepted the two state solution, the Palestinian Arabs rejected it.

        Between 1948 and 1967, before the so called occupation, we pleaded with the Arabs to recognize us and make peace but they sent in Palestinian Arab terrorists known as Fedayeen to murder our civilians.

        After 1967, we offered to give up all the conquered lands except East Jerusalem, in exchange for recognition and peace but the Arabs countered with the three NOs of Khartoum, no negotiations, no recognition, no peace.

        In 2000 Ehud Barak offered the creation of a Palestinian state in the WB but he got a deadly intifada in response.

        In 2001 Ehud Barak improved his offer but he got the Kangaroo court of Durban in response.

        In 2005 we unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and we got rocketed for our trouble.

        In 2008 Ehud Olmert made an even better offer of establishing a Palestinian state but he got ignored.

        And it goes on and on but you blame us? Well dearie, that reflects more on you than us. You are biased against us to your eyeballs, Manic.

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        • “You are biased against us to your eyeballs, Manic.”

          The first thing you’ve said that I absolutely agree with, Dickhead!

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          • I’ve never expressed anything but hatred for zionists, be they jewish (american or israeli) or the horrible evangelical xtian zionists. You can go crazy all you want to Gustav/Ginger but I’ll say it again, because you’re a slow learner – I hate zionism. I hate zionists. I hate evil. Zionism is not Judaism. Hating zionism does not equal hating Jews. Zionists are for the most part heathens or biblically speaking – gentiles, who have no belief in nor fear of God.

            “Looks like nothing works with you israelis, nothing that doesn’t involve money, bombs, bullets or bulldozers”.

            I generalized here, but I was using part your quote “But nah it won’t work with us Israelis”. Then you speak for all israelis and all israelis (God forbid) think like you? LOL!!

            +972 is proof that all israeli jews are not zionists, hallelujah! However, it attracts zionist trolls like pigs to truffles.

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          • Correction – I think it should be “truffles to pigs”.

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          • Gustav

            “I’ve never expressed anything but hatred for zionists,”

            “Looks like nothing works with you israelis, nothing that doesn’t involve money, bombs, bullets or bulldozers”.

            “The first thing you’ve said that I absolutely agree with, Dickhead!”

            “However, it attracts zionist trolls like pigs to truffles.”

            Yeah Manic, and your crude response warrants a crude response from me too.

            I hate fucking bitches like you. I even hate your parents for giving birth to a piglet like you.

            There. Two can play by the same rules, how do you like them apples? Err ummm I meant mush …

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          • Gustav

            “Zionism is not Judaism. Hating zionism does not equal hating Jews.”

            Oh go on dearie, why not hate both Jews and Zionists? Two for the price of one. You know you want to …

            Who are you kidding, Manic?

            If you hate Zionism, you hate the Jewish people. Otherwise you would not hate only us for our national aspirations. Which is simply Zionism. Zionism is simply the idea of a home for the Jewish people. No more no less. There are extreme right wing Zionists, extreme left wing Zionists and a whole range in between. And most Jews are either Zionists or have Zionist sympathies. Only a small minority of Jews are against Zionism. Go do a bit of reading, don’t believe me. Or don’t, I don’t really care. You will always be a hater anyway.

            You don’t begrudge a home to any of the Arab people, or to the English people, or the Italian people or to the Russian people. You only want the Jewish people not to have a home? Right then, you hate the Jewish people. Plain and simple manic. Just admit it to yourself and be a good little Nazi bitch.

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          • “If you hate Zionism, you hate the Jewish people”. Bullshit. The zionist enterprise has lots of hard working robots to conditionalize everything – accept zionism and if you don’t then you hate the Jews. Not asking for much, huh? Newsflash – there are as many if not more Jews in the “diaspora” as there are in israel, who don’t live in fear, who love their neighbors as themselves, who aren’t looking for a fight everytime someone pisses them off, who think Herzl was a jackass and sing Hatikva off key, who aren’t looking for nazis in every shadow to exterminate them and who don’t have any desire to live in a “Jewish” homeland. Don’t go all Ginger on me, its just too stupid. I hate zionism in all the forms that it takes. You’re deliberately misunderstanding and turning every post into a name-calling shit fest. You are so predictable. When all else fails, here you are with “You will always be a hater anyway.”

            “There are extreme right wing Zionists, extreme left wing Zionists and a whole range in between. And most Jews are either Zionists or have Zionist sympathies. Only a small minority of Jews are against Zionism.” Wait a minute – you said “If you hate Zionism, you hate the Jewish people”. Hard keeping the hasbara straight?

            Maybe you are right and maybe the number of nonzionist Jews is small, maybe only a remnant but they are my people too. It only takes a spark to light a fire. Numbers don’t matter, only right and wrong matters and you’re on the wrong side of history.

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          • Gustav

            “Only a small minority of Jews are against Zionism.” Wait a minute – you said “If you hate Zionism, you hate the Jewish people”. Hard keeping the hasbara straight?”

            Only if you think that Jews cannot hate other Jews. I wish you were right but that ain’t so. Some Jews (a small minority) hate Jews. A bit like some (a minority) of Americans hate Americans. Brian for instance and I even heard you calling Americans racists, Marnie dear.

            As far as the name calling, once again, you started it. I told you before, I don’t turn the other cheek. I give as good as I get. And I can live with what I get but you, it seems you only want to dish it out. How quaint.

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          • Gustav

            Most Jews are either Zionists or are Zionist sympathisers. +972 represents a tiny minority. Hey just ask them yourself.

            You hate us? Ok we can live with your hatred. We hate you too. I am sure you can get over that too but nevertheless, it is important for me that you know that the feeling is mutual.

            Now go kiss Victor Araj’s and “Average American’s” tachats. You are all alike.

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          • How can you consistently be so obtuse?

            1. annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.

            synonyms: stupid, slow-witted, slow, dull-witted, unintelligent, ignorant, simpleminded, witless;

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          • Gustav

            No manic. YOU are obtuse. You made your feelings perfectly clear and I accepted them but gave you a dose of your own medicine.

            You made things crystal clear and I told you that your hatred of us does not faze us. We will go on living our lives and do whatever is necessary to survive in this part of the world in spite of a world in which some people hate us. Hey, that’s what we managed to do for 2000 years when the odds against our survival were much greater. Now that we can defend ourselves, it is a cinch. Not only we will survive but we will thrive, in spite of the hatred of people like you.

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    14. Average American

      I think part of the point is that Ashkenazi are/were from Europe and Russia, not native to what is now called Israel. Most of the leaders of Israel are/were not native. Zionism does not care about that. Zionism says The Jews as a race are supreme and will take over Eretz Israel. The last time a single ethnicity thought and acted like that (the Aryans) it was considered bad. But this time (The Jews) it’s ok? Alot of people don’t agree.

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