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Another Netanyahu lie at CAP

Netanyahu claims that more Arabs voted for him than Labor in the last election. That’s simply false.

Think Progress, the internet news arm of the Center for American Progress, fact-checked Netanyahu’s talk at the influential Democratic think-tank yesterday. They found no less than 10 problematic statements on “the big issues.” As many observers were quick to point out, the problem was that nobody at the event knew enough to directly challenge Netanyahu on his statements — many of them inaccurate, out of context, or completely false.

Here is a little something Think Progress missed: Netanyahu was asked about his infamous “Arabs on buses” remarks on election day, in which he tried — and succeeded — in scaring right-wing voters to go the polls. Netanyahu admitted the comments should never had been made in the first place, but only before he went on to celebrate his government record on advancing Palestinian citizens, noting that more Arabs voted for his Likud party than Labor, his primary contender in the elections.

“First of all you should know that Arabs voted for me, and I welcome that. In fact, you may check this but I think they voted for me in considerably larger numbers than they voted for the Labor Party,” Netanyahu told CAP President and event moderator Neera Tanden.

(Watch from 7:30 for Netanyahu’s comments on Arab voters)

This statement, however, is simply not true. While it’s impossible to know the exact numbers (some polls in the mixed cities have both Jewish and Palestinian voters), a survey of the Arab cities and villages in Israel shows Labor getting more than three times as many votes as Likud. In the two biggest Palestinian cities, Umm al-Fahm and Nazareth, for example, Labor got 869 and 69 votes,respectively, while Likud only got 343 and 21. According to this count by Neer Ilin, Labor got more votes than Likud in 117 out of 132 Arab towns and villages in Israel. While this doesn’t include mixed cities, we can assume that the votes follow a very similar pattern.

The following is a table of the 24 largest Arab towns or villages. Labor outperformed Likud in them all except one, which ended in a tie (if the Facebook embedding doesn’t work, use this link).

אז ראש הממשלה שלנו, מנסה בכל כוחו לצאת שקרן, כנראה. ופולט את השטות שיותר ערבים הצביעו לליכוד מאשר לעבודה . ובכן, בבחינה …

Posted by Neer Ilin on Tuesday, November 10, 2015

Likud actually performed miserably among Palestinian voters. While in the past hawkish coalition parties who helped local Arab leaders on civil, day-to-day issues were rewarded in the polls — in the nineties, it was said that Shas used to get almost a full Knesset seat from Arab voters alone — Likud received no more than a few thousands votes. To put things in perspective, the Joint List, the big winner among Palestinian voters, came close to half a million. Arab voters in Israel, it seems, know Netanyahu for who he is. Unfortunately there was nobody at CAP to call his bluff.

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    1. Ben

      The link Noam provides to “10 Falsehoods That Netanyahu Told During His Appearance At CAP” is a summary document that accurately debunks just about every hasbara item peddled in these parts. Hang on to it. It’s hard to keep up. I mean, Noam just added number eleven.

      In addition to that link, here is another Think Progress article that has more on the untruths Netanyahu tells: “Netanyahu Comes To CAP, Lays Out His Conditions For Future Palestinian State”
      http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/11/3721311/cap-netanyahu/

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    2. Average American

      The vote is the most powerful tool of the people (in a democracy or republic). Politicians can do what they will during their term, but their actions are supposed to be remembered by the voters on election day. Of course this means EVERYONE can vote. This is the threat to Zionist Israel. It doesn’t want non-Jewish voters because they will upset Jewish dominance. Another article quoted someone about the Mayor of Jerusalem could be non-Jewish if everyone could vote, so heavens we can’t have that! I had a conversation with another poster about democracies, and we agreed alot of shady things are done by both of our countries under the name of democracy, but come on, not allowing everyone to vote equally really cuts off any chance to call yourself any kind of democracy. So I’m back at square one, why again does USA support Israel?

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      • Gustav

        Does the US allow millions of illegal Mexican immigrants to vote in US elections? Nah. Yet Mexico and the US are not even in a state of war with one another.

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        • Gustav

          …by the way, over a million of Israel’s Arabs who are citizens do have the vote and do vote in Israeli elections.

          The Arabs of East Jerusalem were offered citizenship. Many took up the offer and many continue to do so as we speak. Those Arabs are allowed to vote in Israeli elections. The ones who don’t want to become Israeli citizens naturally cannot vote. Have you any problem with that, Average?

          The Arabs of the West Bank are not citizens of Israel and they never were. They are part of a people who chose to make war on Israel but they should be allowed to vote in Israeli elections? Only a perverse person would suggest such a thing.

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          • Average American

            Gustav: You have corrected me, I meant legal citizens not illegal. We have illegal people in my country, and of course they are not allowed to vote, and are not supposed to be allowed to work but they are (and taking jobs from USA citizens). We have a path to citizenship for anyone, and I guess you do too (do you?) for anyone at all. Regarding how to deal with illegals, we have some politicians talking about giving them amnesty, how horrible to break up families by deportations, etc, but their real motivation is all about having cheap exploited labor for big businesses. Maybe that is your politician’s motivation too. The problematic things come when we get to the West Bank. Are those (non-Jewish) people in a kind of voting limbo? They are obviously governed by Israel by no choice of their own, so how can it be said they don’t vote BY choice of their own? Example, Mexicans come TO the USA, we haven’t annexed them, so no comparison there. Tell me how to understand your point.

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        • Ben

          How are the harshly-discriminated-against Arab residents of East Jerusalem comparable to illegal Mexican immigrants? Hello? And you are not “at war,” you are perpetrators of an illegal, 48-year, land-grabbing occupation in which every Jewish Israeli on both sides of “the green line” is complicit. And the US is not occupying Mexico.

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          • Gustav

            We are not at war? And the earth is flat Benny. We are still in the midst of a 100 year war which the Arabs started in order to prevent (at all cost) the existence of a Jewish majority state.

            The occupation is the CONSEQUENCE of that war and it isn’t illegal no matter how many times you ASSERT that it is.

            The occupation will end when your Arabs will sign a peace deal which will include some of our conditions, the main one being that your Arabs will undertake to end the 100 year war against the Jewish majority state and that they now accept our existence.

            The US does not occupy Mexico? I have nothing against the US. Nor do I wish to bad mouth it but if you are an American, Benny, you’d know about New Mexico, Texas, California and other southern states. Go read a bit of history Benny, then come back with your holier than thou attitude and sound off, you ignorant parrot.

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          • Ben

            You’ll (at least) have to flesh out that bit about New Mexico, Texas, California if you’re going to possibly attain coherence. But if you’re angling at annexation, you’ll have to offer full and equal citizenship or you’ll be just digging yourselves deeper.

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          • Gustav

            I don’t have to do anything for you Benny. Go study up on your own history and stop your holier than thou attitude.

            While you are at it go and study the history of the Arabs and what did they do to the people whom they conquered and how they treat their minorities even today. But with that you have no problems eh, you hypocrite? You only have problems with Jews, right? You are a racist to your core Benny.

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          • Average American

            Gustav: Do the Arabs claim to be a democracy?

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          • Gustav

            Do you claim to be a democracy? Why don’t you give 11 million Mexican immgrants the vote, Average?

            Stop your holier than thou demeanor average. Stop preaching what you don’t practice yourself.

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          • Average American

            Gustav: Hold on, stay cool. On the Mexican point, I think you missed my response to you up a few posts, indented. I offered a couple of points and asked you (sincerely) to tell me how to understand your point. On the Arab point, you brought up Arabs and I asked if they define themselves as democracies (I know the answer is no), because since they don’t, they can’t be used to support your argument about democracies. And yes, I do consider USA to be a democracy as defined if not always in political operation.

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          • Gustav

            “Average”:”And yes, I do consider USA to be a democracy as defined if not always in political operation.”

            So do I. So why don’t you judge Israel by the same standard?

            …I know because you said that we don’t let West Bank Arabs who never have been citizens of Israel and who make war on us have a vote in Israeli elections?

            Yea, Average, again, you don’t let millions of illegal immigrants who live in your country have the vote. What is different between what you do and what we do?

            PS
            One could argue that what you do is even worse because your illegal immigrants are not enemies of the USA. But the West Bank Arabs have been making war on us for 100 years.

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          • Gustav

            …by the way, over a million of Israel’s Arabs who are citizens do have the vote and do vote in Israeli elections.

            The Arabs of East Jerusalem were offered citizenship. Many took up the offer and many continue to do so as we speak. Those Arabs are allowed to vote in Israeli elections. The ones who don’t want to become Israeli citizens naturally cannot vote. Have you any problem with that, Average?

            The Arabs of the West Bank are not citizens of Israel and they never were. They are part of a people who chose to make war on Israel but they should be allowed to vote in Israeli elections? Only a perverse person would suggest such a thing.

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          • Ben

            Pish posh, Gussie. It’s not about Jews and Arabs. It’s about Israelis and Palestinians. Victimhood mongering does not illuminate the problem, it obscures it. You wouldn’t be trying to do that, would you?

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          • Ben

            Here, a bonus article for you:

            MK Ayman Odeh at Israel Peace Conference: We need to free both Israelis and Palestinians from occupation

            http://www.haaretz.com/peace/1.685523

            Lots o good stuff there. Very germane to the stuff we bat around here. But regarding your victimhood mongering:

            4:45 P.M Martin Indyk, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel and peace envoy, said that with a settlement freeze, Palestinian President Abbas could be a partner for peace “tomorrow.” He also called on Israelis not to think of themselves as victims, saying that despite Judaism’s history of victimhood, Israel is a strong state in every dimension.

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          • Gustav

            Pish posh Benny, you are a Jew hater and you know it.

            Hating of Jews is not fashionable in pretentious polite society so you guys have substituted the hatred of the Jewish state to cover up your old hobby of hating Jews. How do we know? Because you accuse the Jewish state for things that most other states are guilty of or even worse, as I have demonstrated above (read my posts again). And that’s what you guys used to do to Jews. Leopards don’t change their spots.

            Go play in traffic you Jew hating mother fucker, Benny.

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          • Gustav

            BEN:”…lots of good stuff there”

            Yea, I bet, things WE have to do but your darling Palestinian Arabs just sit back and do nothing.

            BEN”…need to free Israelis”

            And what do we need to free the likes of YOU of, Benny? Hatred, Bias, Hypocrisy? Racism? Want me to go on?

            Keep your advice to yourself, we don’t need advice from motherfuckers like you Benny.

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          • Ben

            Geezus, Gussie, you’ve lost it. I’m sorry. You’re boxed into a dim dark corner conceptually and so you’ve come out swinging in a blind rage and hurling poison. This match is over. If you had a real answer to these things you wouldn’t need to lower yourself like this and engage in irrational ad hominem attack and scurrilousness. You don’t have a real answer. “Motherf*cker!” is not an answer. You need to ask yourself some hard questions. “Why am I so angry all the time? Is it because of others or is it because I’m not happy with myself and the account I can give myself as an Israeli who has looked for answers from the likes of Naftali Bennet and Ayalet Shaked and Binyamin Netanyahu? Maybe these people are selling me snake oil? Why do I haunt +972 and scream invective at people?” I realize you’re not in an easy situation with all of this. Do you think anyone in this conflict has it easy? It’s just poor you? You’re the one who plainly is full of hatred Gussie. You are spewing hatred. Look at yourself. You are an Arab hater. And a hater of anyone who gives you a run for your money conceptually. Maybe you should look again at your concepts. There is a frightening derangement taking hold of large swaths of Israeli society. A descent into pathological self-righteousness and paranoia and blame externalizing, and ideas once considered ludicrous are becoming the norm. Your right wing politicians bait liberal outrage with one proposal more ludicrous them the next. Hotovely…Shaked…Ariel…. In doing this they cynically stoke the reflex that “the whole world is against us”–when the world predictably reacts against these outrageous proposals it only increases these politicians’ popularity and reinforces the mentality of the base they pander to: “See? they just hate us, the entire world is against us, it’s ‘the new anti-Semitism’…we are not doing anything wrong, it’s the whole world that is against us that is wrong…” This political base of the far right, which increasingly is simply the right, now sees the world’s criticism as a badge of merit. You too. You see “the criticisms of the Bennies of this world” as a badge of merit. With you though it’s accompanied by this characteristic whine: “Other people do bad stuff too. Why can’t we? And if we can’t it means you are a bad guy.” And there is always this ludicrous piece of ‘logic’: criticism of right wing Israel on a left wing blogsite must mean the criticizer is evil. I mean, why isn’t he discussing underwater basket weaving in Peru? Or Putin in Ukraine? Or the Chinese? Why us??!!” And this on a site whose very name is area code “972.” Tou’ve become ridiculous, Gustav, swinging blindly in the dark. And you can’t see it. Now go scream “Jew Hater” ten more times and say “there, I told them!” Meanwhile nothing changes and Israel slides deeper into an irreversible one state morass. That would not have to be a morass actually, as a number of writers where have cogently suggested, but the right wing is determined to make it s morass, a failed state. And those eeeevil leftists prattle on at the “peace conference” saying awful, awful things like:

            10:17 A.M. Tony Blair says borders must be based on 1967 lines plus land swaps. “I don’t think there’s another solution…admire and love Israel. But state of Palestine must exist. Occupation isn’t long-term solution.”

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          • Gustav

            BEN:”. Tony Blair says borders must be based on 1967 lines plus land swaps”

            Funny that….

            Ehud Barak offered exactly that but what was the response he received? An Intifada!

            The rest of your post is your usual stupid Benny BS. Now go play in traffic you lying hypocrite.

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          • Ben

            Gershon Baskin: ‘The truth is that at Camp David Barak offered Arafat 89 percent of the West Bank with full Israeli control of Palestine’s external borders – the Palestinians called it a sovereign cage. Barak’s proposal included two east-west corridors under full Israeli control, cutting the West Bank into three cantons. Barak did not offer the Palestinians a capital in east Jerusalem, but in Abu Dis, which is outside of Jerusalem, and perhaps some control of the outlying Palestinian neighborhoods. Israel would continue to control all of the main Palestinian neighborhoods in east Jerusalem and the Old City. Barak demanded a place for Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount, which is what led directly to the failure of Camp David. On the issue of refugees, a total of six hours of talks took place in two weeks, during which time Arafat said that there had to be a solution for the refugees and that he could not give up the right of return on behalf of the refugees. This was the essence of Barak’s “take it or leave it proposal.” There isn’t a Palestinian alive who could accept it.’

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          • Gustav

            Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, “I regret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace.” The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[30][31][32] Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former minister in the Palestinian Authority.[33] In My Life, Clinton wrote that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, “You are a great man.” Clinton responded, “I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you made me one.”[34]

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          • Ben

            You took that from a section titled “Accusations of Palestinian Responsibility,” at this site:

            “https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

            But you neglect to quote the extensive material in the immediately following section on the same site that compellingly rebuts your claim: “Accusations of Israeli and American Responsibility,” by Robert Malley, Gush Shalom, Clayton Swisher, Shlomo Ben Ami, Norman Finkelstein, and Ron Hassner.

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          • Gustav

            Benny takes the words of third rate officials like Robert Malley, who is the son of a communist activist family, over the ex president of the United States Bill Clinton. I don’t.

            Why does Benny believe Robert Malley rather than Bill Clinton? Because Robert Malley says what Benny wants to hear.

            Again: The word of the ex president of the United States of America as well as other US and Israeli officials against the words of a bunch of third rate leftist losers to whom ideology is more important than truth.

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          • Gustav

            In any case, responding to a peace offer which included concessions that were not offered before, even if one still does not like the offer, does not warrant VIOLENCE as a response. Yet the Palestinian Arabs, as usual dragged out their trusty old response. They responded to the peace offer which none other than Bill Clinton described as an opportunity of a lifetime, they responded to it with violence!

            Only a one eyed war monger like Benny condones such a response.

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          • Ben

            Your reduced to calling Robert Malley–Special Assistant to President Clinton, a member of the U.S. peace team and organizer of the 2000 Camp David Summit, later chief of the Middle East desk of the National Security Council–silly names? Are you kidding me? LoL And what about Gush Shalom, Clayton Swisher, Shlomo Ben Ami, Norman Finkelstein, and Ron Hassner? They’re all third rate sons of communists too? LoL. Bill “I did no have sexual relations with that woman” Clinton always tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Clinton was disappointed that Arafat did not effectively come back with counteroffers but in fact Barak’s was a take it or leave it proposal and Barak, with Ariel Sharon breathing down his neck to the right, had zero room to maneuver and negotiate. Certainly encouraging the murderous violence of the second intifada was a terrible mistake by Arafat. That’s a separate issue. Abu Mazen has publicly recognized it as a terrible mistake. Abu Mazen could not be more different than Arafat on every level but strangely enough it is Abu Mazen whom the Israelis do most vilify and hate. Hmmm now how about them apples?

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          • Gustav

            Ok so the word of the ex president of the USA and others in his team carry less weight for you than the words of Robert Malley who comes from a family of communist activists with a track record of supporting the PLO and other even more radical Arab causes. Why? Because the President of the USA, a democrat, has committed a sexual indiscretion and he tried to cover it up.

            Normally Benny would be outraged if Republicans would conduct a vendeta to uncover dirt in the private life of a democrat president. But he gleefully takes it on board when that same president says things he does not like to hear about a Palestinian Arab leader. Obviously Benny professes a greater alegiance to the Arab cause than even to an American president who is a democrat.

            But here is a reality check. The American voters re-elected Bill Clinton even after his hormone based indiscretion was exposed. Unlike Benny, they were able to put things in perspective.

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          • Gustav

            Introducing the true Robert Malley…

            “Robert Malley was born in 1963 and lived in France from 1969-80. His mother—a native New Yorker—worked for the United Nations delegation of the National Liberation Front, the leftist, anti-American political party that led the independence movement in Algeria in the 1950s and early ’60s. Robert’s father, the late Simon Malley, was a key figure in the Egyptian Communist Party. The elder Malley was bitterly anti-Israel; a confidante of PLO leader Yasser Arafat; an inveterate critic of “Western imperialism”; a supporter of various leftist revolutionary “liberation movements,” particularly the Palestinian cause; a beneficiary of Soviet funding; and a backer of the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.”

            No wonder our one eyed Benny prefers the word of a person with such a background to the word of the ex president of the United States.

            Birds of a feather stick together…

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          • Ben

            Blah blah blah. Not a word about the actual Robert Malley. Who Clinton appointed. And as if this were a referendum on Robert Malley for gods sake. And communist fathers. Neoliberal chickenhawk Bill Kristol’s father, Irving Kristol, was once a communist. LoL. Here, you like conspiracy theories. Chew on this one for a while:

            http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2010/12/03/irving-kristol-soviet-spy/

            Again, we are waiting for your equally penetrating and perspicacious comments on Gush Shalom, Clayton Swisher, Shlomo Ben Ami, Norman Finkelstein, and Ron Hassner. They’re all third rate sons of communists too I suppose.

            You waste our time.

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          • Gustav

            Norman Finkelstein? Are you out of your cotton pickin’ Bennyish mind? He is even more radical than Robert Malley.

            Oh and I am waiting for a response to the point that I made here…

            In any case, responding to a peace offer which included concessions that were not offered before, even if one still does not like the offer, does not warrant VIOLENCE as a response. Yet the Palestinian Arabs, as usual dragged out their trusty old response. They responded to the peace offer which none other than Bill Clinton described as an opportunity of a lifetime, they responded to it with violence!

            Only a one eyed war monger like Benny condones such a response.

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