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American anti-Semitism rises, and the Israeli Right remains silent

Why is nearly every Israeli elected official silent in the face of the violent anti-Semitism sweeping across the United States?

By Amir Segal

A rabbi is arrested by NYPD during a protest against the refugee ban outside Trump International Hotel in Manhattan, February 6, 2017. (Gili Getz)

A rabbi is arrested by NYPD during a protest against the refugee ban outside Trump International Hotel in Manhattan, February 6, 2017. (Gili Getz)

Ever since Donald Trump was elected president, the United States has witnessed a disturbing increase of anti-Semitic incidents. This is a wave the likes of which we haven’t seen for many years, accompanied by outright racism that has been bolstered by Trump’s election, his right-wing and racist supporters, and specifically by the fact that the president had, until Monday, refused to condemn racism and anti-Semitism outright. What is especially disturbing, however, is the fact that the Israeli Right continues to remain silent in the face of rising anti-Semitism in America.

While Israelis saw fit to respond to Trump’s comments on whether the one state solution was preferable to two states during his press conference with Prime Minister Netanyahu last week, Americans were focused to a different response, one that Trump gave after being asked about the increase in anti-Semitism since his election. His response was long, confounding, and strange — and he was unable to do the basic and necessary thing: condemn every incident and instance of anti-Semitism.

A special responsibility

Even more disturbing is the fact that Trump seemed totally apathetic to these incidents, until he was resigned to condemn them under heavy public pressure, and there is reason to believe that he even supports some of them. And if we needed confirmation for for our suspicions of Trump’s anti-Semitism, we got it last week at another press conference, in which he berated an ultra-Orthodox journalist for asking about rising anti-Jewish incidents, and followed it up with the outlandish claim that he is “the least anti-Semitic person that you’ve ever seen.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu holds a press conference with U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House, February 15, 2017. (Avi Ohayon/GPO)

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu holds a press conference with U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House, February 15, 2017. (Avi Ohayon/GPO)

Trump’s responses had an effect, and in the following days came another wave of bomb threats against Jewish institutions. Then on Monday it was discovered that nearly 200 headstones at a Jewish cemetery in St. Louis had been vandalized. This is not just a matter of words or threats — these are real, violent attacks.

The struggle against anti-Semitism in America should greatly disturb the Israeli government, which remains silent. Those who gladly attacked U.K. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn for every comment made by a member of his party now remain silent in the face of anti-Semitism in the U.S. that clearly has American Jews worried. Israel always viewed itself as the home of the Jewish people that has a special responsibility for Jews in the diaspora — not only in allowing every Jew to acquire Israeli citizenship, but also in providing security for Jewish institutions worldwide. Many Jews around the world view Israel as the heart of the Jewish people, and its prime minister, president, and ministers are viewed as representatives of the Jewish people — not only of Israeli citizens. When it is convenient, the government makes use of its position to raise money and public support from abroad, or as good opportunity for a chance to travel the world. These days, they should be expected to stand alongside Jews in the diaspora.

Yes, the occupation corrupts

Instead of remaining silent as Trump tried to evade criticism, Netanyahu should have taken the opportunity to condemn every instance of anti-Semitism. Furthermore, President Rivlin, who as a former member of Knesset and minister did nothing to promote a one-state solution, should focus his efforts on the Jewish people, which is being threatened once again, rather than making empty remarks about Israeli sovereignty in the West Bank (which he knows will never happen).

Education Minister Naftali Bennett attends the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, at the Inbal Hotel in Jerusalem, on February 20, 2017. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

Education Minister Naftali Bennett at the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, Jerusalem, February 20, 2017. Bennett, along with the rest of the Israeli Right, has remained silent on rising anti-Semitism in the U.S. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)

It is amazing to see how the Israeli Right has abandoned the notion of protecting Jews around the world. Journalists, activists, and a few elected officials on the Israeli Left have decried this wave of anti-Semitism (along with plenty of American political figures, Hillary Clinton among them). Meanwhile the prime minister, president, ministers, and right-wing and centrist members of Knesset remain silent — a shameful silence that paints Israel as hypocritical and ungrateful toward Jews in the diaspora. And this is before we even speak about the Israeli Right’s treatment of Conservative and Reform Jews.

If you have ever wondered just how much the occupation and the settlements have corrupted Israeli society and have held the Right and the political leadership hostage, look no further than the shameful silence of just about every Israeli official vis-a-vis American anti-Semitism. Notice that the absolute majority of figures condemning them come from the Left. This is because the Israeli Right has become a single-issue movement: it is willing to sell out the State of Israel for the entire Land of Israel, not to mention worldwide Jewry in exchange for a vague, unreliable statement by an unstable American president.

Amir Segal lives in Jerusalem and is the CEO of Ovdim. This article was first published in Hebrew on Local Call. Read it here.

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    1. R5

      When Israeli politicians speak for the diaspora, the far left complains. When they don’t, the far left complains. Look at that, childish behavior from the far left.

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      • tzeddek

        The complaint is really rhetorical, beyond this, the core issue is much deeper. This silence shows three things, first the idea according to which the Israeli State is a requirement in order to defend Jews is non-existent. This highlights that in reality, Israeli nationalism requires Jews to defend its State, its regime. The sad truth is that Jews and Judaism are a means to an end. What is this end? The defense and power of a State apparatus and its goons. When the defending Jews is not strategically interesting for the defense of the State, as is the case here, then the Israeli State discards the protection of Jews. It’s better to be friends with white nationalists in the white house then worry about American Jews.

        Secondly, it gives ammo to the people, such as Noam Chomsky and plenty of others, who see the State of Israel as an American imperialist proxy in the middle east with far less political autonomy than imagined.

        Finally, it shows that, with time, Israeli nationalism has become incapable of trying to understand antisemitism, after years of using it as mere political ammunition to use against Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians and/or leftists.

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        • carmen

          Thanks for your insight and discourse – please continue.

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      • duh

        You see this because the Israeli left can only talk about how the occupation has “corrupted Israeli society” and can’t admit Zionism was always racial segregation. Likewise, this writer can’t admit that Israel is going to be useless if Jews are persecuted in a country that’s an ally of Israel, as happened in late 70’s Argentina.

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    2. AJew

      Publications like these and other extreme leftist anti Israel publications contribute at least as much to the rise of antisemitism as the extreme right. Oh and let’s not forget the contributions of Arabs and many Islamic publications who incite against Israel and foster hatred of Jews in general.

      Why do I include this publication under the above umbrella?

      Because it is monotonically critical of Israel and Israel only. I have not seen a single article here in which Arabs are being criticised for even the teeny weeny tiniest of thing. For instance, their unwillingness even to negotiate without preconditions.

      Nor have I seen any article which highlights Arab culpability to the mess that we have. On the other hand, I have seen plenty of excuses for Arab actions and blame for Israel and Israelis.

      Simply put. The world that this publication presents is cartoonish. And whether it wants to or not, it reinforces stereotypes of the evil Jew even though it does not aims it dirrctly at Jews. It couches it in terms of Zionists and Israel. But it is all a dog whistle that Jew haters understand and associate with Jews.

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      • Ben

        “The world that this publication presents is cartoonish.”

        Utter nonsense. This publication leaks to the outside world the real, inside, on-the ground, truth about what is going on. With remarkable authenticity. And unstintingly focuses on human rights for both Jews and Arabs and all else besides. That is why you hate it. What is cartoonish is the sheer kitsch that the average US politician and APIAC politician traffics in with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict.

        “it is all a dog whistle”

        This is highly offensive, to accuse this publication and its good authors of this. Especially coming from an apologist for the Trump administration. Talk about turning things on their head. The sheer hypocrisy! The nonchalance of the Right here about the issues Amir Segal identifies is really striking and makes the author’s point for him about just how corrupting the occupation and the settlements are.

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        • AJew

          “What is cartoonish…”

          I repeat. It is cartoonish to ALWAYS but ALWAYS blame one side and one side only (Israel) for everything that has gone wrong in the last 100 years and EVERYTHING that is wrong between the two parties today. It makes one side (Israel) look to be the devil incarnate and the other side (the Arabs) to look like faultless and innocent saints who are just victims and who deserve nothing other than pity.

          I don’t care whether that is an accidental or intended outcome. The effect is cartoonish and it is a dog whistle to all who are predisposed to hate Jews.

          Israel is a predominantly Jewish state and Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. So vilifying and demonizing only the Jewish state, Zionists and Zionism is a dog whistle to all Jew haters. It gives them a seemingly more politically correct way to hate Jews.

          “This is highly offensive…”

          I care as much about offending you as you care about offending me. I can’t be more fair with you than that, Benny.

          I am sorry but it is sheer hypocrisy for those who contribute to the rise of antisemitism to criticise others for not doing enough to stop antisemitism.

          PS
          Let me preempt Benny’s counter criticism of me which he always levels disingenuously at me every time we have this exchange.

          Yes. It is ok to criticise Israel. But there is a difference between endless, mindless, one sided and relentless destructive criticism and constructive criticism which acknowledges both good and bad and the faults of the other side and puts things into context.

          One type of criticism is mind numbing propaganda which should be dismissed with contempt. The other is critism which is at least worthy of consideration. Guess which type of criticism Benny favors? And not just favors, he fights for it tooth and nail. He justifies a mindless one sided narrative and he resents any criticism of it.

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          • tzeddek

            “I repeat. It is cartoonish to ALWAYS but ALWAYS blame one side and one side only (Israel) for everything that has gone wrong in the last 100 years and EVERYTHING that is wrong between the two parties today. It makes one side (Israel) look to be the devil incarnate and the other side (the Arabs) to look like faultless and innocent saints who are just victims and who deserve nothing other than pity.”

            And you got all this on an article talking about the Israeli right’s response to the US bomb threats? Does this mean you have extra intel on Palestinians, (the “other side”) being actually responsible for those? Or perhaps the likes of David Duke are actually Palestinians in disguise. Or maybe you got so used to anti-palestinian racism that you need to see it everywhere, including in an article that isn’t even about Palestinians but about the relation between the Israeli right and the US antisemitic “alt-right”. Antipalestianism is like your safe space, your comfort zone.

            More seriously this goes to show what I said in another post above: some people have been so used to a vulgar mobilization of “antisemitism” as a mere rhetorical trope to support Israeli nationalism. As a mere rhetorical trope to legitimize anything done by the Israeli State and shield it from criticism, and to silence muslims and/or arabs and/or palestinians and/or leftists*1 (or the UN, the Israeli supreme court, the haredim, etc etc etc) that you are simply mentally and politically incapable of actually producing any coherent reflection on antisemitism for what it actually is. When, the Israeli State has nothing to gain from the fight against antisemitism, then it becomes unthinkable to even mention it.

            Which goes to show that your nationalism*2 is also a form of idolatry, your own little golden calf.

            *1 This isn’t to say that antisemitism doesn’t exist in those worlds.
            *2 Note, I am not talking about zionism here, because zionism can mean many things, but about your nationalistic idolatry of a State.

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          • AJew

            “And you got all this on an article talking about the Israeli right’s response to the US bomb threats?”

            Are you blind? Of course you are not. But you seem to be in denial.

            Every article in this magazine is about how bad Israel is and how the poor Arabs suffer. No mention whatsoever of Arab wrongs (ever!) and Arab culpability.

            I mean EVERY article. And that is just cartoonish. Real life is not like that.

            That’s where I got it from. Now stop trying to waste my time.

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          • Ben

            “Every article in this magazine is about how bad Israel is and how the poor Arabs suffer. No mention whatsoever of Arab wrongs (ever!) and Arab culpability.”

            Gustav this is your perennial confusion. About something that should be obvious.

            +972 Magazine’s view is from the left. Not from the right. And it is not a magazine that says “for everything we write from the left we will balance it something from the right, one for me, one for you, because we are essentially a clearing house of opinion, not a magazine with a point of view.” It is also a magazine with a laser like focus on human rights, not on political point scoring. If it has any ideology, it is about human rights for all. And it is not “The Journal of Recollections and Point Scoring About Who Did What To Whom Back When, So That What Is Done In The Present May be Excused.”

            So, since Israel has all the power, and the Palestinians have none, and Israel deprives the Palestinians of human rights egregiously, and not the other way around, and the left is intrinsically interested in issues of power imbalances and protecting those who lack power not the other way around, and these thing are happening now, in real time, not in some carefully selected version of the past, for all these reasons, +972 Magazine will indeed focus on what Israel is doing wrong and how Palestinians suffer.

            To whine about this is to utterly miss the whole point of +972 Magazine. You might as well write letters to Tennis Magazine and complain about why they don’t write more articles on volleyball.

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          • AJew

            Benny’s definition of human rights is as follows:

            Arabs never do anything wrong. And if they do, we don’t talk about it.

            On the other hand, everything that Israel does is wrong. And if it isn’t, we don’t talk about it.

            Why? Because “we are leftists”. We look at things from the leftist point of view. We don’t balance things out. We are leftists. No use whining about it…

            Hey read Benny’s previous post. He can’t make himself any clearer. Now he will deny it just because I paraphrased him and didn’t use his exact words. But essentially, what he said, matches what I attribute to him in this post a bit more starkly. The guy is shameless. He is the type who will look you in the eye and deny his own spoken (or written) words from one minute to the next. I think it gives him perverse pleasure to annoy and to frustrate. But I am used to him now. He no longer has that effect on me. To the contrary. It gives me pleasure to show him up to whoever cares to look at him.

            It is because of the mentality of people like Benny why we have wars. The Middle East is full of his kind. Hence the mess that we have.

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          • tzeddek

            “Arabs” are not one homogenous blob, if I recall, I have seen quite a few articles very critical – and rightfully so – of the Assad regime’s butchering of its own people right next door in Syria.

            Beyond this, any ethical political position favoring human rights and dignity for all in the middle east implies that all oppressors be criticized : the “arab pinochets”, as they have been called before (Sissi, General Haftar, Assad, Ben Ali, Khomeini, even Mahmoud Abbas … ), the foreign interventionists (Russia, the USA, France, the UK, Iran to some extend), the last settler colonial state in the region (the State of Israel) as well as those pseudo liberation movements, groups, states and proto-states that reproduce oppressions which they were supposed to combat on sectarian grounds (ISIS, Baathists, Hezbollah, Hamas to some extend, the State of Israel to some extend).

            This is the ethical baseline, as the famous Talmudic quote goes, “What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah, the rest is only explanations, go and learn”. And you’ll have a much bigger chance to find people who follow this ethical baseline here than, say, in Israel HaYom, Netanyahu’s corrupt and free piece of paper. But since this is a website that is specialized in a specific form of oppression: that of Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli State apparatus, which is much more powerful, far reaching and structurally entrenched than what any Palestinian collective, it is logical that their articles concentrate on their own reality.

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          • AJew

            “Arabs” are not one homogenous blob”

            Indeed they are not. But we can no more deal with the Arab nation as if they are each an individual, than they can deal with the Jewish nation as if we are each an individual.

            Nations have to deal with each other as nations. And if you disagree, then consider this: some of our individuals mistreat some of their individuals as some of theirs mistreat our individuals. Does that mean that we are all bad? No more so than they are all bad. So where do you want to go from there?

            PS
            The magazine has been critical of Assad because of how he treats his fellow Arabs.

            Now show me where this magazine has been critical of Arabs and Palestinian Arabs in particular because of how they deal with and did to Jews? Now or ever?

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          • Ben

            “We look at things from the leftist point of view. We don’t balance things out.”

            This reduplicates your fundamental confusion, a confusion that has fueled untold number of rants about “one-eyed-ness.”

            Political Science 101: In any political conflict or problem, perspectives of the right and the left can be brought to bear. In some instances the perspective of the right can be illuminating and that of the left obscuring. And vice versa. The left is concerned with correcting power imbalances and injustice and to that end changing the status quo. The right is concerned with protecting tradition and the wisdom in tradition, in preserving therefore the status quo and not making changes too quickly, and is cautious and wary of predicting the future. When power balances are not distorted and conditions are relatively just and equal, the perspectives of both the left and the right can be both illuminating and obscuring, and will each be sources of wisdom if brought to bear intelligently. They can work in creative tension and be self-correcting. When, however, the imbalance of justice and power is so severe and one sided, and a fixed, cult-like, fanatic ideology holds such sway, as in this conflict today, the perspective of the left is illuminating and the perspective of the right is obscuring. And “a balance” of the right and left perspectives is in this context a false “balance” and a recipe for unjustly maintaining the status quo. (See the criticism of Isaac Herzog by Mitchell Plitnick in this regard; or see any +972 Magazine article.) That Israel is obsessed with the status quo, with “managing the conflict,” tells you a lot of what you need to know about where the real “balance” lies. In the current state of the conflict, the leftist perspective is more illuminating and contains more wisdom and justice than the rightist perspective. So do not expect this Magazine or commenters here to get sucked into applying the perspectives of the right and the left “equally” and “in balance,” because that would be a mistaken application of perspectives in the current historical situation.

            I’m sorry if that was pedantic, but you needed it.

            Tzeddek is correct about this: “some people have been so used to a vulgar mobilization of “antisemitism” as a mere rhetorical trope to support Israeli nationalism. As a mere rhetorical trope to legitimize anything done by the Israeli State and shield it from criticism, and to silence…you are simply mentally and politically incapable of actually producing any coherent reflection on antisemitism for what it actually is.”

            You are, as he says, incapable, because your vision is obscured by an obstinately unaware rightist perspective that is inappropriate to illuminating the situation before us, and at the same time masquerades unawares as a “balanced” or “correcting” perspective, and thus inappropriately harangues the left for not being “balanced” about right and left.

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          • AJew

            “I’m sorry if that was pedantic, but you needed it.”

            That was not pedantic. It was inane and irrelevant. It describes the struggle between the political right and political left within a society. It does not describe the nationalist struggle between two warring nations.

            If it would, then it would give rise ridiculous claims. For example:

            Towards the end of World War 2, the Axis powers were in a terrible shape. The balance of power tilted heavily in favor of the allies. So according to Benny, the left would have been duty bound to rush in and defend “the underdog” Axis powers.

            Of course, Benny would ridicule that notion. Yet, that is exactly what he advocates in the Arab Israeli conflict. He is blind. Completely blind to his own stupidity. Or is he? I think he is driven by other notions and those notions have nothing to do with fairness. Read my previous post to him.

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          • Ben

            Did anyone not notice the sleight of hand? I spoke of “the imbalance of justice and power” and used the word “justice” or “injustice” several times. AJew excises “justice.” And pretends that we are merely talking about raw power. And pretends that I would say that the Axis powers in 1945 had a case for an imbalance of justice. There is an additional sleight of hand in “the nationalist struggle between two warring nations.” This is a struggle between one powerful nation and another virtually powerless non-nation being ruthlessly occupied with a vise like grip, and the irony is that the behavior of the occupier blatantly violates the Geneva Conventions that arose in response to just the WW2 conflict that AJew references.

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          • AJew

            “Did anyone not notice the sleight of hand? I spoke of “the imbalance of justice and power”

            Imbalance of justice, huh?

            Again, Benny notices a splinter in Israel’s eye but he misses a lamp pole in the eyes of his beloved protoges, the Arabs. Where should I begin?

            Firstly, the Arabs were the ones who instigated physical violence against the Jews of Palestine, nearly 100 years ago and they kept it up to this very day.

            – Massacres such as the 1929 Hebron and Safed massacres.

            – Massacres of Jews during the 1930s Arab revolt.

            – The massacres of Jews in 1947 after the UN vote to partition Palestine.

            – Thousands of terror attacks against Israeli civilians in Israel to this day.

            – Hundreds of terror attacks, hijackings and massacres of Israelis and Jews outside Israel.

            – Ethnic cleansing of up to 1 million Jews from Arab countries.

            But Benny says that coz he is a “left winger”, his sense of justice does not permit him to talk about all that. He says the because he is a noble “left winger”, he is obliged to talk ONLY about what the eeeeeeeeevil Israeli Jews did to Arabs in response as part of the war. And Benny’s excuse for his obvious lack of balance? …. wait for it…. wait for it….

            ….over the years, the Israelis gained the upper hand and they became more powerful… and that is unforgivable according to Benny. Unforgivable and unjust. And Israel must be punished for it according to Benny. And not just punished but mercilessly punished. Israel needs to be made an example of so that the rest of humanity who never witnessed such Jewish impertinence, must learn from the misfortune that must be inflicted on Israel’s Jews according to Benny!

            Want my opinion, Benny? No? I’ll give it anyway: YOU are NOT a left winger! You are just a common garden variety bigotted Jew hater. Stop trying to give left wingers a bad name!!!!

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          • Ben

            “Indeed they are not. But we can no more deal with the Arab nation as if they are each an individual, than they can deal with the Jewish nation as if we are each an individual.”

            This confuses two things. As individuals deserving of human rights, you must deal with each person, Jew and Arab, as an individual. At the same time your ultra-nationalistic use of “the Arab nation” and “the Jewish nation,” elides the fact that the Palestinians are not “the Arab nation” and Israelis are not “the Jewish nation.” You come at this from both sides in a confused way, dragging in confusions from the human rights perspective and from the tribal stereotyping perspective. The Palestinians have developed their own identity over the years and are not besides that a faceless mass. So have Jewish Americans and Israeli Jews who do not buy into “the consensus.” To insist otherwise is to adopt the ideology of Jewish and Islamic fascism: “We all think alike and pull together as a single, strong bundle of cords and brook no dissension.” +972 wants to strengthen the left on both sides. You want to strengthen the right on both sides.

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          • AJew

            Benny accuses me of “being confused” but as usual, he is the one who is confused.

            Clearly, the Jews of Israel have been involved in a 100 year conflict with our Arab neighbors. We want the Jewish majority state to exist in our ancestral homeland, they want an Arab majority (or even pure Arab) state in it’s place. Clearly this is a national conflict between two peoples.

            As for human rights. Benny wants Israelis to observe Arab human rights but he has no problems with Arabs routinely ignoring the rights of Jews. Excuse me for writing about Arabs as a blob but I have no other ways to express it. Grateful for any suggestions though.

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          • Ben

            “As for human rights. Benny wants Israelis to observe Arab human rights but he has no problems with Arabs routinely ignoring the rights of Jews.”

            Of course this is simply false. +972 Magazine has an unstinting record of standing up for human rights for all, Jews and Arabs both. It is +972 Magazine’s most clear and consistent message. And that is what drives you nuts. The truth is that you have inverted the truth: As far as human rights is concerned, you only care about Jewish rights. To you, Arabs are barely even human. Just ask I. G. Halevy and Lewis from Afula. Just ask Deputy Defense Minister Eli Ben-Dahan. Just ask Naftali Bennett. They are, after all, much more honest and coherent than you are.

            “Excuse me for writing about Arabs as a blob but I have no other ways to express it.”

            What a startling, sad confession. And you are the one who lectures others that they only care about the human rights of one side? Wow. Just imagine if a +972 writer or a commenter here said “Excuse me for writing about Jews as a blob but I have no other ways to express it.” Gustav, your hidebound entitlement knows no bounds. You are truly a marvel.

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          • AJew

            Hey Benny, you are full of claims and assertions. But I bet you can’t show me even one article in +972 which condemns even one single Arab terrorist act against Jewish Israelis. Let alone condemning many Arab terrorist acts against Israeli Jews.

            Now this is tongue in cheek: sorry for writing about Arabs as a blob in relation to their terror tactics against Israeli civilians. I should have referred to them as Hottentots instead. Coz it is offensive to you to refer to Arabs in any negative way, no matter what they do against Jews. Jews on the other hand can obviously be treated by THEM and YOU as a blob.

            Reminder about things you said:

            – Judaism is exclusive and tribal.

            – You can’t embarrass an Israeli.

            – Israelis are racists.

            – A Jewish state cannot be anything but racists. But Muslim, Christian and Budhist states you have no problems with.

            But after all those comments you have the Hutzpah to lecture me because I don’t talk about millions of Arabs as individuals? Have you no shame, Benny?

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          • Ben

            *chuckle* Oookk Gustav, whatever you say. You are incorrigible. What a spectacle. Same ol’ tricks. Very amusing, your behavior when you are boxed in. Devious misquoting and taking out of context is your stock in trade. The left misquotes the right like this so much more often than the reverse. Why is that? Very telling.

            “Clearly this is a national conflict between two peoples.”

            Clearly you insist on this, cherish it, want to heighten it, strengthen the right on both sides, and pounce on any effort to transcend this. So you hate +972 Magazine most of all. And by extension, me.

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          • Ben

            Correction: The Right misquotes the Left like this so much more often than the reverse. Why is that?

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          • AJew

            They are not misquotes. And you know it.

            And your accusation of me cherishing it is just childish. I brought up those historical facts as a reaction to you and your cronies endless accusations against Israel while keeping mum about the role of the Arabs in this long conflict. Someone has to bring a semblance of balance into this discussion, otherwise Israel would look like the devil incarnate and the Arabs would look like innocent babes who are just victimised by the devil. Which of course is what your intention is.

            As to who wants to prolong this situation? Not me, not Israel.

            Who has been refusing to even negotiate without trying to impose preconditions? Abbas.

            How can there be peace without negotiations? There can’t be.

            Without peace, how can the occupation end? It can’t.

            I have been the one who has been reminding you of the above facts and you have been running from it like a scared rabbit, Benny. So who is trying to talk about resolving things? Who is the one who is running from it?

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          • Ben

            Hey Gustav I found the absolutely perfect anecdote to describe you. Both in the way you selectively ignore what both sides did, good and bad, and the way you invoke a selected past as justification for human rights violations in the present. Turns out you think the way settler children have been taught to think. Check it out:

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/a-rough-guide-to-hebron-the-worlds-strangest-guided-tour-highlights-the-abuse-of-palestinians-773018.html#gallery

            Another milestone in the long journey that led Shaul towards this point began early in his Army service. Shaul explains that the seminal historic event in every settler child’s early education is the 1929 massacre during the riots against Jewish immigration to Palestine, when 67 Jews were slaughtered on a single day – though 435 survived after being sheltered by their Arab neighbours. And then he recalls how he saw an elderly Palestinian woman coming down from the hillside neighbourhood of Abu Snena to be greeted by settler children throwing stones at her. “I said to a child of about 10, ‘What do you think you are doing?’ He said, ‘Do you know what this woman did in 1929?'”

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          • AJew

            This is something to behold. Benny’s amoral attempts at excusing the inexcusable:

            The Arabs committed a heartless massacre of innocent Jews in Hebron and Safed in 1929. And all Benny wants to remember about it is that there were good Arabs too who saved Jews.

            Duh!!!! But the massacre still happened. You cannot forget about that. Particularly since you and this magazine go back and make wall to wall accusations against Jewish Israelis in the dark past. Why can your side bring up things like the Nakba and destroyed Arab villages time and time again but you expect us to keep quite about the past?

            How come you people pooh pooh every good thing that Israel does today like treating wounded Syrians and Israels tolerance of Gays and Lesbians which you deride as pink washing? But in the same breath you bring up the good Palestinian Arabs who saved Jews in Hebron. How come you see the need to balance things out but you jump up and down when I do it? How come, Benny-leh?

            PS
            Unlike you, I acknowledge that there are good Arabs. It is obvious. There are good and bad people amongst all ethnic groups. Jews too. Nobody is perfect. But at the end of the day, this is still a conflict between two peoples. A war between two peoples and in war, the innocents too suffer. On both sides. We don’t want the war, the Arabs do. Yes, the Arabs as a group, want war. All of them? No. But the ones who do, are prevailing at the moment. Need I repeat the above fact every time in order to appear more politically correct? Of course not!

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          • Ben

            What part of “good and bad” did you not understand, Gustav? Forgive me for dwelling on this, but in your intent on seeing one thing and one thing only, and in your habit of justifying gross human rights violations in the present because of a selective dwelling on events of the past, you in fact remind me of the ten year old child who feels justified in throwing stones at an old woman because he has been taught to do so and because, even though the old woman was either not yet born or was at most a young child in 1929, he says ‘Do you know what this woman did in 1929?’” This is so like you, and it is why Yehuda Shaul invokes this story to illustrate the problem he has with the crazy dogged entitlement and self-righteousness and self-justifying narrative of the settlers. I am not using the Nakba to justify Palestinians returning by the millions to the western side of the green line and kicking Israelis off their land and out of their houses and farms. Neither is Abu Mazen. Why are you feeling entitled to use the Hebron massacre in 1929 to justify the occupation in 2017?

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          • AJew

            What part of history don’t you understand Benny? History led us to the present mess.

            What part of the present don’t you understand, Benny? Your Abu Mazen/Abbas refuses to negotiate without setting preconditions. No negotiations, no peace! No peace, no end to the occupation!

            As far as who is being selective? There is no one more selective than YOU, about both the past and the present. Hey, you already admitted to it. You blamed it on your leftist outlook. You said that you are obliged to protect “the underdog” and speak out against injustice. Of course you were being selective about the “injustice” as I have demonstrated in my previous posts. Moreover you are even being selective about who is the underdog too. By some measure, we still are the underdogs. Certainly politically. The whole Arab world is still lined up against us. Then there is the whole Muslim world. Then a good slice of leftists (not all). Some extreme rightists are against us too. And last but not least, we have to contend with an assortment of self interested parties who see more value in being friends with the Arabs than with 6 million Jews.

            But hey, we are not complaining. We will leave the continuous whining to haters like YOU Benny.

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          • Ben

            I feel you are showing yourself to be that ten year old. You bring to bear on this topic a juvenile mindset, of “the underdog” (your phrase not mine) as if we were talking about sports teams and who will “win” and rah rah rah. (And the styling of Israel as today’s “underdog” is a startling reversal of reality besides. The brutal occupier will play the victim right to the end and over the cliff.) This tells us you are indeed best viewed as akin to one of these settler children. I think this is illuminating. Your thinking really suffers from this kind of gross immaturity. The difference in maturity between you and someone like Yehuda Shaul is really striking. (And we won’t even talk about your pre-adolescent carrying on with middle fingers and emoticons.)

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          • AJew

            The only 10 year old in our argument Benny is YOU. An unbalenced 10 year old at that. You throw tantrums and you demand only your rights. Other people have no rights according to you.

            And I am not just saying it. I demonstrated it in my previous posts and you demonstrated it too. Hey, you already admitted that you are deliberately unbalanced because you are a leftist and you need to implement your leftist agenda. Only you are misrepresenting yourself. You are not really a leftist. You are just pro Arab and anti Israel.

            As I said, I have no problems with that. You are welcome to perform your hystrionics, tantraums and whinings. I am just here to redress your imbalance.

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          • Ben

            I can always count on you to thoroughly distort things and then muddle the distortions. How is it that what I wrote on Feb. 26 under “Political Science 101” is translatable to “you already admitted that you are deliberately unbalanced because you are a leftist and you need to implement your leftist agenda”?
            How is that possible?
            Or to “you are misrepresenting yourself. You are not really a leftist. You are just pro Arab and anti Israel”?
            How is that possible?

            Tell me, what do you think motivates Yehuda Shaul? Is he simply a leftist and that explains it? Is he pro-Arab and anti-Israel?

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          • AJew

            How is that possible? Go back and read what YOU said. I am not going to endlessly repeat myself just because you want to engage in idle chatter and use that to mask the nonsense which you already spewed which now you feel to be embarrassing. Isn’t that what you always do, Benny’leh?

            Oh but before we close this little discussion down, just a reminder to you: talk to your uncle Abbas and suggest to him to sit down and negotiate without preconditions. So that at least there will be a chance to make peace and with peace, the occupation can end. Ok, Benny-leh? Pretty please, there, I even said pretty please 😉

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          • AJew

            “Tell me, what do you think motivates Yehuda Shaul? Is he simply a leftist and that explains it? Is he pro-Arab and anti-Israel?”

            I don’t know what motivates the man. Then again, I don’t know what motivated vichy, Benedict Arnold, or Quisling either.

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          • AJew

            “(And we won’t even talk about your pre-adolescent carrying on with middle fingers and emoticons.)”

            I see, Benny, MY emoticons bug you but Chris’s antics which bring it on are Hallal, eh Benny?

            That too is symptomatic of how much you lack balance. Your side (Chris) is right because he is pro Arab, anti Israel and he rants and raves. But my emoticons which I produce in response, bug you. Okey Dokey, I must be doing something right 😊

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          • Chris

            “I see, Benny, MY emoticons bug you but Chris’s antics which bring it on are Hallal, eh Benny?”

            No, you treif little Arab and Muslim hating zio Anti-SemiteJew bigot, you not “see”.

            “That too is symptomatic of how much you lack balance. Your side (Chris) is right because he is pro Arab, anti Israel and he rants and raves.”

            Nah, you psychotic passive-aggressive zio Anti-SemiteJew loon, you have become unhinged and you cannot stop ranting, raving and projecting, all of which is symptomatic of chronic Zionism poisoning.

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          • Chris

            “I see, Benny, MY emoticons bug you but Chris’s antics which bring it on are Hallal, eh Benny?”

            No, you treif little Arab and Muslim hating zio Anti-SemiteJew bigot, you do not “see”.

            “That too is symptomatic of how much you lack balance. Your side (Chris) is right because he is pro Arab, anti Israel and he rants and raves.”

            Nah, you psychotic passive-aggressive zio Anti-SemiteJew loon, you have become unhinged and you cannot stop ranting, raving and projecting, all of which is symptomatic of chronic Zionism poisoning.

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          • AJew

            🖕

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          • AJew

            Benny and Chrissy forever 🐪🐓❤️ 😍

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          • Chris

            “🖕”

            Not enough spittle, psychotic Arab-hating zio Anti-SemiteJewboy bigot.

            “Benny and Chrissy forever 🐪🐓❤️ 😍”

            Zionism swilling Anti-SemiteJewboy bigot and unhinged psychotic zio nutjob forever.

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          • AJew

            “Moreover, the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, which was the treaty that established the ICC, defines apartheid as “inhumane acts…”

            Another illuminating non answer by the resident Jew hating Arab nut job who pretends that Arab societies are humane even to each other, let alone to their minorities.

            By his own words he damns most Arab countries. If one applies to Rome status to define what is Apartheid, then one inevitably has to conclude that most Arab countries are apartheid states. Then there is the inhuman state of Iran of course which must also be described as apartheid, according to Chrissy’s definition of apartheid. And one could go on and define a majority of the world’s states as apartheid states.

            Hey, it isn’t my idea. It is Chrissy’s idea to use the Rome status as a litmus test to define apartheid states.

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          • AJew

            Yes psycho. Your above definition of the Rome statute describes most Arab countries. Therefore according to you, psycho, most Arab countries are apartheid countries.

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          • AJew

            💤

            SAUDI ARABIA
            C
            Read this Chrissy….

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

            I won’t even quote from it. It is too horrific. Saudi Arabia definitely qualifies to be another Arab apartheid state according to your definition of apartheid, Chrissy. C’mon, daaaaaaaarrllliiiing, you can do it…. just admit it….
            …the truth will set you free Chrissy 😎

            Benny? Wanna give him a nudge? I think Chrissy is a reluctant bride, he needs a bit of nudge from his betters. You are better than Chris, aren’t you Benny…? …. well ….? Benny…? Are you there….? You are not as far gone as Chris, are you Benny? Help him. He needs help from his kind….

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    3. i_like_ike52

      I am not convinced there is actually an increase in antisemitic incidents…perhaps there is only an increase in the REPORTING of them in the media. Before Trump was elected, the Jewish Left tended to disparage reports of antisemitism and the organizations that confront it, claiming it was only “paranoid right-wing Jews” who complained about it, supposedly using it as an excuse to increase support for Israel and those defense organizations. After all, much of the antisemitic activity in the US and EU came from Muslims and other anti-Israel organizations, so the tendency by “progressives” would be not to talk about it. Now that Trump has won, and the top media organs like the NYTIMES and WPOST have pretty much explicitly stated that there reporting is designed to make Trump look as bad as possible, there might be a decision to report antisemitic incidents that would have been ignored in the past. I do not have enough information to know what the real situation is because I don’t trust the mainline media, for the reasons stated.

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      • tzeddek

        And yet the ADL, which historically is the kind to consider any criticism of the State of Israel as being, by itself, “antisemitism” (and which can thus hardly be considered “leftist” as you people understand it) is the first to ring the alarm on the rise of these antisemitic accidents.

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      • Ben

        “…the top media organs like the NYTIMES and WPOST have pretty much explicitly stated that there reporting is designed to make Trump look as bad as possible…I do not have enough information to know what the real situation is because I don’t trust the mainline media…”

        Wow. Are you trying to *caricature* Trump? Are you Kellyanne Conway in disguise?

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      • carmen

        “I do not have enough information to know what the real situation is because I don’t trust the mainline media, for the reasons stated.”

        That was refreshingly honest, so why do you claim most antisemitic incidents in the u.s. were comitted by muslims. Do you have facts to support this claim, because it sounds a lot like the fictional ‘bowling green massacre’ and the ‘look at what happened in sweden’ statement by tRUMP. Antsemitism towards muslims has been dramatically on the rise since Nov 8th and before.

        Overall, the FBI reported 257 incidents of anti-Muslim hate crimes in 2015, a 67% increase from the previous year. … The same survey found that almost half of American adults (49%) think at least “some” Muslims in the U.S. are anti-American, including 11% who think “most” or “almost all” are anti-American.Nov 21, 2016

        Anti-Muslim assaults reach 9/11-era levels, FBI data show | Pew …
        http://www.pewresearch.org/fact…/anti-muslim-assaults-reach-911-era-levels-fbi-data-show/

        Everybody hurts.

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        • carmen

          And these are just the reported incidents. I agree there is underreporting of anti-jewish crimes, antimuslim, anti-black, anti-immigrant and crimes against women, because unfortunately so much of it is endemic to the u.s. and has been encouraged/tolerated/excused/minimized by tRUMP and the party he represents.

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    4. Mark

      I have been waiting for Netanyahu to go around the States telling American Jews that Israel is their home, and Israelis are waiting for them with open arms. Just as he did in France.

      If the government of Israel could get round the problem of Soviet Jews I am sure they can find a way around the the large number of reform and conservative Jews in the USA.

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    5. Firentis

      Everyone to the right of me is an antisemite. Former members of the Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam on the other hand are worthy progressive candidates for leaders of the DNC.

      Spare me the hypocrisy. What American liberal Jews really want is for everyone to confront Trump and you are perfectly happy to see Israel sacrifice its national interests on this altar.

      Israeli politicians will look out for Israeli interests. If American Jews feel in danger there is a free ticket waiting for them.

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    6. Itshak Gordin Halevy

      President Trump likes the Jewish people, much more than Hussein Obama. Antisemitism in the USA is an internal American problem. A part of this racism comes from pro-“Palestinian” groups. If American Jews do not feel safe, they can make aliyah without problems.

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    7. carmen

      Islamophobia Grows Louder and More Deadly in North Carolina
      The meeting of a far-right group in Kernersville has stirred fears across the state as Muslim leaders call on authorities to take action.
      By Jordan Green / The Guardian

      Why the Christian Right Is Rejoicing Under Trump’s Presidency
      Between Betsy DeVos and Jeff Sessions, the Trump presidency is a paradise for the Christian Right.
      By Alex Kotch / AlterNet

      White Kansas Man Spewing Racial Slurs Shoots Indians He Thought Were ‘Middle Eastern’
      Witnesses say the military veteran screamed, “Get out of my country!” at the victims.
      By Ben Norton / AlterNet

      Linda Sarsour raises over $100,000 to repair vandalized Jewish cemetery in Missouri US Politics Allison Deger on February 23, 2017 – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/02/vandalized-cemetery-missouri/#sthash.mZUAxAjL.dpuf

      ‘The banality of evil’.
      “The trouble with Eichmann was precisely that so many were like him, and that the many were neither perverted nor sadistic, that they were, and still are, terribly and terrifyingly normal. From the viewpoint of our legal institutions and of our moral standards of judgment, this normality was much more terrifying than all the atrocities put together.”
      ― Hannah Arendt

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    8. AJew

      Antisemitism in America? Right wingers are not complaining about it? Say the left wingers? And they act as if antisemitism in America started with Trump.

      Yet, yet, yet…..

      We never hear left wingers complain about this kind of antisemitism elsewhere and perpetrated by Arabs against Jews. Not Israelis. Just plain old Jews. Jews in the diaspora.

      http://m.jpost.com/#article=6017NUU5MzVFNzQ3QTMzOThCMjJGQzQzQkZBNzM2QzAyOTQ=

      “The vehicle forced the brothers to stop their car, and they were surrounded by several men whom they described as having a Middle Eastern appearance….

      ……Two Jewish brothers said they were abducted briefly and beaten by several men in suburban Paris in an incident that ended with one brother having his finger sawed off by an assailant.”

      Gosh, I hate hypocrites!

      And one more thing, to diaspora Jews: if you want to survive as Jews, you better move to Israel and contribute your God given talents to help the Jewish state to survive and prosper.

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    9. carmen

      “Torah Jewry says that believing Zionism protects Jews is “probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the Jewish People” and accuses Zionists of fostering global anti-Semitism. “Indeed, hatred of Jews and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been (used) to deliberately incite hatred to justify the existence of the Zionist state – this is, of course, Machiavellianism raised to the highest order.””

      The Symbiosis Between Anti-Semitism & Zionism | Foreign Policy …
      http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/…/the-symbiosis-between-anti-semitism-zionism

      “Zionists from the beginning welcomed anti-Semitism as a means of undermining what Zionists believed was the sense of false security of Jews in western, liberal societies, and as the means by which Jews would be kept in a permanent state of neurosis. Organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League of B’Nai B’rith exist mainly for the purpose of exaggerating the extent of anti-Semitism in order to keep Jews under the Zionist heel and keep the coffers for Israeli causes filled.”

      All the world suffers and is in turmoil because of the actions of a few megalomaniacs and they come in 4 flavors, zionists, muslim posers and evangelical christians and those who love wealth and power.

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      • AJew

        Hellooooooo Carmen, deary, anybody up there? Why do you think you can fool Jews?

        Modern Zionism is a reaction to Antisemitism which existed before modern Zionism.

        Read a bit of history. Herzl was a secular Jew who wanted Jews to integrate. In fact, at one stage he contemplated orchestrating a mass conversion of Jews as a means of ridding the world of antisemitism.

        However, after he witnessed the outpouring of hatred against Jews during the trial of Dreyfus, he realised how visceral antisemitism is and he realised that the only hope for Jews to live a dignified productive life is to live in a Jewish majority state.

        The rest is history. And you cannot distort history no matter how hard you try. But you are welcome to waste your time.

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        • AJew

          “All the world suffers and is in turmoil because of the actions of a few megalomaniacs”

          You gave the wrong list. This is my list:

          All extremists. Be it leftist or rightist extremists.

          One might add, all idiots who are obsessive compulsive and too dumb to see the real world as it is. They are dangerous too because they are easily misled and become fodder for extremists who lead them by the nose to do the bidding of the extremists. Recognise yourself Carmen?

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        • carmen

          “Hellooooooo Carmen, deary, anybody up there? Why do you think you can fool Jews?”

          Who do you think you’re fooling princess? The antisemitism card used by israeli zionists as if they own it, has had deadly consequences all over the world and here. Way to go team.

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          • AJew

            “Antisemitism card…”

            Ah ok, it’s just a card now. A made up ticket, huh? It isn’t real. It is all just Zionist propaganda and another lie.

            Spoken like a true Holocaust denier. Even by your own low standard this is a new low, Carmen darling.

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          • carmen

            You are evil. And not worth another word from me.

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          • AJew

            Good. Please keep it that way. The feeling is mutual. Except that I make no promises to you about “other words”.

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    10. carmen

      Dreyfus Affair – Herzl Aligns with Anti-Semites

      It so happens that Lazare wrote his book on anti-Semitism the very year of the “Dreyfus Affair.” At the time, the Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl was in France observing the consequences of the allegation against the French-Jewish officer who was accused of spying for Germany, and which brought France to the verge of civil war. Herzl used the “Affair” as justification for his separatism ideology, claiming that if anti-Semitism could ignite so quickly in a nation as liberal and egalitarian as France, then assimilation was a myth, and anti-Semitism a constant that could not be eradicated. The only option was a return to Jewish separatism, the self-ghettoization of the pre-Emancipation era.

      However, it is unlikely that Dreyfus was the real cause of Herzl’s own separatism. If Dreyfus became a cause celebre for French anti-Semites, so it was also for the multitudes of Frenchmen who came to the defense of the Jews, and Dreyfus was ultimately pardoned. The anti-Zionist rabbi Elmer Berger, who founded the American Council for Judaism, wrote of this:

      Where in all the world a century before would more than half a nation have come to the defence of a Jew? Had Herzl possessed a knowledge of history, he would have seen in the Dreyfus case a brilliant, heartening proof of the success of emancipation.[3]

      Conversely, Herzl aligned himself with the anti-Semites, and found an ally in the leading French anti-Semite and campaigner against Dreyfus, M Drumont.

      Herzl, while not the first Zionist, was the first to establish Zionism as an enduring and successful political movement. In response to the Dreyfus Affair he wrote the modern Zionist manifesto, The Jewish State.

      Many Jews, including the most influential, had assimilated and were suspicious of any movement that would again make Jews conspicuous as a separate people. The American statesman Henry Morgenthau Sr. for example said: “I refuse to allow myself to be a Zionist. I am an American.” If this assimilationist attitude was to be replaced by a revival of Jewish separatism, anti-Semitism would have to be welcomed, even promoted, by Zionism as confirming its dogma and reversing the process of assimilation.

      Zionists from the beginning welcomed anti-Semitism as a means of undermining what Zionists believed was the sense of false security of Jews in western, liberal societies, and as the means by which Jews would be kept in a permanent state of neurosis. Organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League of B’Nai B’rith exist mainly for the purpose of exaggerating the extent of anti-Semitism in order to keep Jews under the Zionist heel and keep the coffers for Israeli causes filled.

      The Symbiosis Between Anti-Semitism & Zionism | Foreign Policy …
      http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/…/the-symbiosis-between-anti-semitism-zionism

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      • AJew

        Yea yea yea, Carmen.

        …”emancipation of Jews…” emancipation from what? It wouldn’t be from oppression and discrimination? Would it?! Antisemitism and pogroms existed and thrived well before Herzl was even born. Centuries before he was born.

        …”the good people who stood up for Dreyfus…” sure, there are always good people. There always were and always will be good people. The trouble is that there are too many bad people too. And the trouble is that Herzl woke up to the fact (and woke up others like him who collectively became Zionists) that Jews cannot always rely on the good people to save us from the haters. He, we, finally understood once and for all that the only people who can save Jews from the haters of Jews are the Jews themselves, by fighting back. But in order to be able to do that, we need our own state where we are the majority so that we can organise our own defenses. That is why we have Israel and we will ensure that Israel will remain a Jewish majority state.

        …and then, the predictable happened. The haters of Jews regrouped and they morphed into a new virus. Now they somehow miraculously learned “to love Jews”. It is just Zionists and Israel they now hate. They put their collective little hands on their hearts and say: “…honest….let us just eliminate the Jewish state… and all will be fine….” in any case, they say: “…. the real cause for our hatred is the Jewish state and Zionists…. not Jews…”

        Viruses mutate Carmen. The hatred of Jews is a very old virus. I just gave you a brief outline how that virus mutated. And you seem to be part of that virus.

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    11. Mark

      In the end, I guess US will see emigration to Israel, just like communities and individuals elsewhere in the 20th Century.

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      • duh

        I hope it never comes to this, but if Jewish Americans are ever persecuted to the point they have to leave the US, those who expect Israel to save them are in for a nasty shock.

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