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A one-state solution would bring economic disaster

A one-state reality won’t likely affect the top tiers of Israeli society. Yet those near bottom of the ladder will inevitably face an economic nightmare. The only solution is for both Israelis and Palestinians to have their own functioning nation states.

By Omri Eilat

A young Palestinian boy walks by a section of the Palestinian side of the Separation Wall in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Abu Dis. September 29, 2014. (Photo by Miriam Alster/Flash90)

A young Palestinian boy walks by a section of the Palestinian side of the Separation Wall in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Abu Dis. September 29, 2014. (Photo by Miriam Alster/Flash90)

Since the 2015 elections, there has been a growing number of campaigns in Israel whose goal is to warn or frighten against the loss of a Jewish demographic majority in a situation in which the two-state solution is no longer feasible. Beyond influencing the Israeli public, these campaigns exposed the deep chasm among Israelis who vote for centrist and left-wing parties (the remains of the 90s peace camp).

It is clear that the problematic rhetoric employed by these campaigns was dictated by aggressive marketing experts, not by members of the initiatives — some of them peace activists with proven track records. But this is, at the very least, ephemeral; it will disappear soon, just like the last campaign by Commanders for Israeli Security, whose success (according to the number of views) far from justifies the amount of resources invested in it. The argument over the two-state solution, which reflects the deep divide in the Zionist Left, is first and foremost over the question of the legitimacy and effectiveness of a nation-state.

While different segments in the Left, and especially the intellectual elites, have been moving toward post-national solutions, the majority of the Jewish public to the left of the ruling Likud party will continue to support two states. The reasons for doing so were pragmatic, although they were often met with scorn and accusations of racism by the radical left, which initiated post-national initiatives that prided themselves on their ability to make connections between settlers, left-wing peace activists, and Palestinians. However, the two-state solution remains the most coherent and practical solution. No other plan, whether from the left or from the right, can compete.

An image from a Commanders for Israeli security campaign calling for a two-state solution. (CIS)

An image from a Commanders for Israeli security campaign calling for a two-state solution. (CIS)

The possibility of peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians in the current conditions are almost nonexistent, yet the aspirations to create a single, bi-national state for Israelis and Palestinians are no less unfounded. Even those who promote the idea of two confederated states ignore the fact that functioning confederations are based on clear-cut common denominators between populations. These do not exist in our case.

The preoccupation with identity politics and the disregard for class-related issues over the past there decades have caused us to forget the fact that the only platform that has been able to reduce economic gaps has been the nation state. In other words, no social contract aside from the national one, has caused the rich to pay higher taxes of their own volition in order to improve the condition of the poor. The only precedent for reducing economic gaps is the lessons learned following the Second World War and the birth of the welfare state, along with the establishment of a world order based on nation states as a moral consensus.

The privatization revolution, which parts of the Western Left adopted in the 80s, gradually dismantled the foundations of the nation state’s economic system, including: protecting local goods, preference for local labor, state involvement in the economy, oversight, etc. The Right explained these developments as economically worthwhile, while the left offered explanations based in global concerns and morality, which were accidentally labeled “multiculturalism.”

The Israeli Left that is searching for alternatives to the two-state solution is the same Left that once took part in the privatization revolution. Its utopian solutions, which are based on intertwining the Israeli and Palestinian economies, will lead to enormous economic gaps that will inevitably lead to perpetual exploitation of the weaker population while deepening the gaps between the two. The economic decline of the Palestinian Authority and its inability to export cheap labor to Israel will only be the beginning of the reality in Israetine.

Palestinians march in the West bank city of Bethlehem to protest the rising cost of living, especially fuel and food, and calling for the resignation of the Palestinian National Authority's Salam Fayyad and an end to the neoliberal economic policies, September 10, 2012. Protesters condemned continuous increases in taxes, cuts to public sector wages and the oppressive rule of the Paris Protocol on Economic Relations, an agreement signed with Israel in 1994, which laid out the economic relations between Israel and the PA within the Oslo framework, and which turned out to be mostly about ensuring Israel's economic domination of the Palestinian market and has prevented the development of an independent Palestinian economy. (photo: Anne Paq/Activestills.org)

Palestinians march in the West Bank city of Bethlehem to protest the rising cost of living, especially fuel and food, and calling for the resignation of the Palestinian National Authority’s Salam Fayyad and an end to the neoliberal economic policies, September 10, 2012. (photo: Anne Paq/Activestills.org)

In this reality, those who believe in a post-national Left (which generally belong to the top 20 percent) will lose very little. Yet the lives of those near the bottom of the ladder will become a nightmare. In a sea of violence and social polarization we will need to find inspiring joint initiatives, just as in South America we can find innovation and wealth.

A law-enforcing nation state with restrictions is neither a romantic nor innovative idea, and the explanations provided by its supporters are usually expressed vulgarly. Yet, nation states are also a necessity — even if they do not do enough — for ensuring fair conditions for the entire population. Both Israelis and Palestinians are in need of functioning nation states.

The real argument in the Left is not about the damage caused by bad campaigns — damage that is marginal in comparison to what right-wing governments do on a daily basis — but rather on the fundamental social contract upon which our reality between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea will be based.

Weak or nonexistent social contracts lead to the takeover of markets by the strong in order to dismantle and exploit them at the expense of the majority. This situation will be inevitable in a single state.

Omri Eilat is a research fellow at The Forum for Regional Thinking, where ths article was first published in Hebrew.

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    1. Lewis from Afula

      A better solution will be to make the so-called “fakestinians” agree to dismantle their fictitious identity.

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      • Bruce Gould

        More force – that always solves the problem. Make the 6.5 million Fakestinians submit!

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      • Ben

        The Palestinians’ crystallization of their national consciousness and their efforts at self-determination are no more “fake” than, for example, the 20th century Hebraization process assumed by Europeans: So, for example the manner in which Gruen, Shkolnik, Yezernitsky, Rubitzov, Brug, Scheinermann, Mileikowski, and Smilansky reinvented themselves as Ben Gurion, Eshkol, Shamir, Rabin, Barak, Sharon, Netanyahu and Ya’alon.

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      • Oriol

        OK, so you “dismantle” their “ficticious identity”. What will Palestinians be afterwards?

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        • Lewis from Afula

          Jordanians.

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          • Oriol

            So you think every area in Israel where Arabs are majority should belong to Jordan?

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    2. R5

      Super awesome solution is to wave a magic wand and have the Palestinians fall in love with the Hashemites so the West Bank can be partitioned with Jordan.

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      • Duh

        Of course, the solution to the problems brought on by the Zionist attempt to enact racial segregation in Palestine is more segregation.

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    3. been there

      “The possibility of peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians in the current conditions are almost nonexistent..”

      That is, Israel can continue to steal land and water, arrest Palestinians under ‘administrative detention’, kill Palestinians, demolish whole villages..all this with the approval of the West’s leaders. That is why the BDS campaign run by citizens of conscience worldwide is so urgent. We’ve seen decades of so-called ‘peace negotiations’. What is needed are ‘justice’ negotiations.

      “Yet the lives of those near the bottom of the ladder will become a nightmare..”
      My God, do you really have no idea of the nightmare situation that has been imposed on the Palestinians for 7 decades now?

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      • AJew

        “can continue to steal land”

        One can steal something from an owner. Otherwise, you can’t describe the situation as “stealing”.

        Now please prove that Israeli “settlements” have been built on Arab owned lands.

        You may want to start with the Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem and Gush Etzion. Please prove to us that those places are owned by the Arabs. If you can’t, then I have news for you man, then Jews living there are not thieves and Israel did not steal those lands!

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        • Ben

          Stolen? Oh, yes.

          86.4% of Ma’aleh Adumim!

          Settlements ‘violate Israeli law’
          More than a third of the Jewish settlements in the West Bank are built on privately owned Palestinian land, an Israeli campaign group has reported.

          Peace Now says nearly 40% of the land the settlements sit on is, according to official data, “effectively stolen” from Palestinian landowners.

          This, the group says, is a violation of Israel’s own laws.

          Settlements in the occupied West Bank are illegal under international law, although Israel rejects this.

          About 430,000 Jews live in these residential areas in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

          Leaked data

          Peace Now called on the Israeli government to return the private land to its Palestinian owners.

          In recent years the Israeli government has said repeatedly that it respects Palestinian property rights in the West Bank.

          An Israeli official has said the government is reviewing the report.

          REPORT FINDINGS
          130 settlements were constructed either entirely or partially on private Palestinian land
          19,800 acres of the land used by the settlements, nearly 40% of the total, is private Palestinian land
          86.4% of Maale Adumim is built on privately-owned land Source: Peace Now
          The data on which the findings are based comes from a 2004 survey by the Civil Administration, which manages the civilian aspects of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank.

          The data was leaked to Peace Now via an official in the Civil Administration. The group says the government had refused to give this information to it.

          The group says that the data it has received has been “hidden by the State for many years, for fear that the revelation of these facts could damage its international relations”.

          According to the report, 86.4% of the Maale Adumim settlement block, the largest in the West Bank, is built on private Palestinian land, and not on what the Israeli government refers to as “state land”.

          The settlement is home to 32,372 people and lies due east of Jerusalem.

          ‘Violation’ of Israeli law

          “The claim by the State and settlers that the settlements have been constructed on state land is misleading and false,” Peace Now says.

          “[The data] indicates the direct violation of Israeli law carried out by the State itself, driven by the architects and leaders of the settlement movement.”

          In 1979 the Israeli High Court forbade the establishment of settlements on privately-owned Palestinian that has been seized by Israel for military purposes….

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6168752.stm
          Published: 2006/11/21

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          • AJew

            Assertions!!!! Classic propaganda 101. Repeat a lie often and eventually many people perceive the lie to be God’s gospel truth.

            Aaaaaand I asked that ‘funny named’ guy to first prove to me that the Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem and Gush Etzion where Israel allowed Jews to settle, prove to me that those are stolen lands because “the Arabs own those lands”. They claim that it is. The recent UN security council resolution too claims that it is illegal for Israeli Jews to live there. But nobody seems to be able to justify those claims. So they are just assertions, aren’t they?

            Now Benny, since you express an interest in this matter, I am asking you too (nicely) I even say: pulleeeeze prove to me that:

            1. The Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem is owned by Arabs.

            2. The land where Gush Etzion “settlements” are built are owned by Arabs.

            Because if you can’t then it follows naturally that Israel did not steal those lands. How can someone steal something from someone if that someone does not own that item (or lands)? How? Tell me how????

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          • Ben

            Lie? [Chortle.] It comes right out of Israeli government data leaked from inside the Civil Administration!!! Do not insult our intelligence, Gustav. We shall note that you skipped right past the 40% figure and the 84.6% figure. Nothing to see here, children, move right along. [Chuckle.] You got caught out trying to intimidate a commenter with cooked up pseudo-questions about the notarized property deeds they have to supply to assert that the occupation is illegal and that the Israelis don’t automatically own all of Jerusalem. And you are scrambling to cover under the scrutiny you drew to this issue of private land ownership by your own attempts to intimidate. Hoisted by your own petard. How’s the view from up there?

            The questions you pose about the Jewish Quarter and Gush Etzion are not meaningful. Any decent 2SS already has built into it that Israel would keep the Jewish Quarter and trade most or all of Gush Etzion for swaps. Your questions are posed to restrict the viewfinder to your narrowly chosen examples and pretend that 84.6% of Ma’aleh Adumin is not stolen private land and that almost 40% of the settlements are built on stolen private land that were built even in violation of Israeli law. Based on the Civil Administration’s own data! Glad we had this discussion that you initiated. It was illuminating.

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          • AJew

            “It comes right out of Israeli government data leaked from inside the Civil Administration!!!”

            Really? Can you prove that it is real data? Until you do, I am assuming that it is just cooked up data designed to perpetrate a set agenda which is to make Israel look bad in order to put pressure on us to make us give in.

            You see, Ben? Many nations have collaborators. France had Vichy. Norway had Quisling. America has had Benedict Arnold. We have the misnamed “Peace Now” which at best, are well meaning dreamers who think that by giving in, we will be able to live peacefully forever more.

            At worst, they are an alternate government in waiting who will do anything for ambition.

            As for talking about being hoisted on pettards. Two things:

            1. You still did not prove that the Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem is owned by Arabs. Yet, the Arabs claim that ALL of East Jerusalem belongs to them. How come?

            Ditto for Gush Etzion.

            2. As for your unproven data. Even it says that supposedly 40% of the settlements are built on privately owned Arab lands. That is a clear admission that 60% of the settlements are NOT built on privately owned Arab lands. Yet the Arabs and the politicised UN claim that ALL the settlements are illegal which means presumably that they consider those lands too “stolen lands”. How come Benny?

            Consistency and proof that is all I ask for. Oh and I used the example of the Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem and Gush Etzion as a LITMUS TEST. You do know what a litmus test is Benny?

            A litmus test is a test which chemists use to identify whether a solution is acidic or alkali.

            Likewise, I chose to use the Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem and Gush Etzion as a test to see whether the Arabs and the politicised UN peddle lies about stolen lands by Israel.

            It seems that my litmus test suggests that so far, I detect wall to wall lies and propaganda. But I am willing to be proven wrong if you can furnish proof that even just the Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem is Arab owned land. Either that, or just admit that the Arabs are wrong to claim the Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem as Arab lands. Go to it Benny-leh. In the meanwhile, I will be the one waving at you while you remain hoisted by your own pettard (you chose to butt in and now you are floating 😝)

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          • Ben

            ​Well in my opinion you’re simply flailing now.

            The data were leaked to Peace Now via an official in the Civil Administration. Peace now says the government had refused to give this information to it. Why would the government refuse unless it had something to hide? These data have been hidden for years. Why hasn’t the government released the “true” statistics?

            Your next level of desperation is to say that even if the data are accurate, then the Civil Administration official who leaked the truth is a Vichy type collaborator! In other words, telling the truth about the occupation and about the government’s abetting of the breaking of its own laws is not whistleblowing it is treason! Wow!

            “Can you prove that it is real data? Until you do, I am assuming that it is just cooked up data”

            I don’t think you understand. You can assume whatever you want. This issue is not in criminal court—yet. In the Court of Public Opinion of Reasonable People Not Born Yesterday, you lose. You have the standard of proof upside down. I do not have to prove to you that data leaked by an official inside the Civil Administration to an organization with integrity like Peace Now is real data. You have to ask your government to prove that it is not real data by releasing “the real data” and showing how the data Peace Now obtained has been falsified—something your government has not done. That non-release is damning. If Peace Now abetted an agent distributing falsified data your government would have been all over them and persecuted Peace Now with no restraint. It did nothing. The passivity and the silence is deafening.

            Then you reach the lowest level of desperation with the pleading that it’s “only” 40% and how about that other 60% huh? “Your Honor, my client only stole 40% of the property, give him a break, everybody knows he’s not guilty because he didn’t take the other 60%.” His Honor: “Ridiculous and contemptuous plea, Counsel. And may I remind you that the other 60%, like the 40%, is illegally occupied and is territory on which the Geneva Conventions are being violated every day for over 18,000 days now?” All the settlements are indeed illegal. The 40% in question are not only doubly illegal but are inextricably intertwined geographically, politically and strategically with the other illegal 60% and belie any legal gymnastic claim that these lands are not stolen.

            Really, Gustav, 86.4% of Ma’aleh Adumim is on privately owned Palestinian land!!! In violation of even the occupier’s own laws, laws it tells the world it swears by! The jig is up!

            “Aha!, but 13.6% of Ma’aleh Adumim is not private Palestinian land, Benny! How then can the Arabs say Ma’aleh Adumim is stolen?!, huh Benny?!, you one-eyed monster Benny!!!…what about the 13.6% Benny!!!….”

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          • ANew

            ​”Well in my opinion you’re simply flailing now.”

            LOL 😂 typical Benny. This comes from a person who simply ignores points that I made. Here, let me reiterate what Benny wilfully ignores. He hopes that the questions will just go away.

            FACT: The Arabs and the politicised UN are on the record of claiming that ALL “settlements” are illegal. The Arabs and their fawning allies claim that ALL settlements are built on stolen lands.

            I made the point that for something to be stolen from someone (in this case the Arabs) those someones have to own those things (lands). Otherwise, how can the things (lands) be stolen from someone (in this case the Arabs) if they don’t own it? How, Benny? Tell us how?

            Now, as a litmus test, to test whether lies are buing peddled or the truth, I asked Benny to prove to me:

            1. That the Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem is Arab owned. If not, then how come it is illegal for Israel to allow Israeli Jews to live there? And how come the Arabs claim that we are stealing the land that the Jewish quarter is situated on?

            Ditto for Gush Etzion.

            2. Moreover, Benny shot himself in the foot by producing a link which clearly admits that 60% of the “settlements” are NOT, I repeat, NOT built on privately owned Arab lands. So presumably Benny admits that those settlements at least are not illegal? Not built on stolen lands?

            Question 2 too is a valid question, despite Benny flailing about it. It is valid because for the sake of argument, only for the sake of argument, I am prepared to accept the assertion that up to 40% of the settlements are built on private lands. That is a separate discussion.

            But clearly 60% are NOT built on private lands. So those lands are not owned by Arabs and are therefore not stolen. So how come the Arabs claim that ALL the settlements are built on stolen land? All are illegal? Clearly they are not, are they Bennyleh? Clearly you people are liars. You people are lying, aren’t you?

            The silence from Benny is deafening. He refuses to respond to those questions. Yet he claims that I am the one who is flailing. Benny refuses to answer as if his life depends on it. It doesn’t Bennyleh. Only your credibility depends on it. Oh wait… what credibility? Benny has no credibility. He lost his credibility long ago. Too funny 😝

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          • AJew

            Ach but who am I kidding? Benny is clearly not going to answer my questions. So I take it as an admission by him that

            1. It isn’t illegal for Israeli Jews to have returned to the Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem. How could it be? It is a place where Jews always lived (continuously for 5000 years) barring 19 years of absence between 1948 and 1967 while the Arabs stole Jewish owned lands during that time. Ditto for Gush Etzion.

            2. Clearly, Benny also admits that 60% of the settlements are legitimate because they were NOT built on privately owned Arab lands.

            Ok. All Benny wants to talk about is the 40% of settlements which are allegedly built on private Arab lands. So let’s talk about it, shall we?

            Firstly, let’s put a bit of perspective on what happens when Israel confiscates privately owned lands. Typically, the reasons cited for the confiscation, are to do with security. And typically the owners are given monetary compensation. That is not theft. It is a transaction. It may be a transaction which the owners are forced into. They may not like it. But hey, that’s what happens in wars. Wars which the Arabs have been pursuing against us for nearly 100 years. War is not nice. They want to be in a state of war with us? Well this is what happens in wars. They did much worse to us whenever they could, Bennyleh.

            And yes we ARE at war because they still refuse to sign a peace deal with us. Logic 101 Bennyleh. Even you should be able to comprehend it. It isn’t beyond you. Stop pretending that it is.

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          • Ben

            Wow. All this noisy hand-waving. What part of “…All the settlements are indeed illegal…” did you not understand? You are running away madly waving your arms hoping no one notices your obvious problems here. It is mildly amusing to watch you desperately trying to make lemonade from this bitter lemon.

            “…that 60% of the “settlements” are NOT, I repeat, NOT built on privately owned Arab lands. So presumably Benny admits that those settlements at least are not illegal? Not built on stolen lands?”

            C’mon, Gustav. Really? That’s the best you can do? Well, actually it is, since you have no genuine case at all. As we made clear at least three times now, all the settlements are illegal. And that goes for East Jerusalem too. Whether someone wants to call land illegally occupied for fifty years (with no end in sight and with the illegal occupiers clearly intent on never de-occupying) “stolen” is a judgment and a word choice and I think that in this total context the word is very reasonably used. I’m guessing you think you’ve pulled some nifty blurring trick by oddly trying to equate “not built on private Palestinian land” with “not illegal.” That is clearly false. And actually you either understood this all along and are pretending otherwise, or you really did not understand this. I would be embarrassed to admit to either possibility were I you.

            But by your own chain of thought, just accepting for argument’s sake for the moment your astounding new premises, I take it you support withdrawing settlements from 86.4% of Ma’aleh Adumim. And from 40% of the settlements’ area in total. We are making progress. I mean, you are against stealing, right? Eighth Commandment.

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          • AJew

            “stolen” is a judgment and a word choice and I think that in this total context the word is very reasonably used.”

            LOL 😉

            So people can call other people thieves whenever they feel like it and that’s that?

            Are you serious Benny? People who don’t even own the goods (lands in our discussion) can assert that other people (Israel) stole the goods (crown lands) from them?

            And it gets worse! The Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem and Gush Etzion were actually owned by Jews before Arabs stole those lands from Jews. But Jews returning to those lands are the thieves, because “it is a judgement call”?! Grow up Benny!

            And this clown who calls himself Benny claimed that I hoisted myself by my own petard? You gotta laugh. You are the one who is flailing as you float on your own petard.

            Hello, Benny-leh, I am waving at ya up there, LOL 😂

            PS
            Benny didn’t even respond to my rebuttal of his 40% “stolen lands” allegation because he had no reasonable response. Helloooo again Benny-leh 😜

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          • Ben

            We already discussed Jerusalem and Gush Etzion. Swaps. Do keep up.

            “Clearly, Benny also admits that 60% of the settlements are legitimate because they were NOT built on privately owned Arab lands. Ok. All Benny wants to talk about is the 40% of settlements which are allegedly built on private Arab lands. So let’s talk about it, shall we?”

            Now look. Have some self respect. This is the cheesiest fabrication. It’s comically obvious. Just be gracious and admit it.

            “Firstly, let’s put a bit of perspective…That is not theft. It is a transaction. It may be a transaction which the owners are forced into.”

            Wow. Al Capone couldn’t have said it better. Organized crime! Occupation mafia! So now, 40% of the settlements and 86.4% of Ma’aleh Adumim are privately owned land we stole, but we didn’t really steal it you see….”.

            Gustav you used to be a semi-respectable “it’s all about ‘security'” kinda special pleader but lately you’ve entirely dropped the mask. Wow. You catch them red-handed! And yet they always have an excuse! “Oh but ok you see we stole it ok but we didn’t steal it cuz it was for ‘security’ so we, um, forced a transaction on them you see….”. Gangsters. Again and again, we come back to this truth. Gangsters.

            “And yes we ARE at war because they still refuse to sign a peace deal with us.”

            From here on out whenever you state “peace deal” I will read “forced transaction.” And whenever you state “we are at war” I will read “we needed to take the land somehow.”

            As someone said here recently, you can’t win an argument with these guys because they just make up stuff as they go along. I’m done. I’ve made my points. Pleased to let it stand.

            86.4%! Organized crime! At least we now see Gustav implicitly assenting to withdrawing settlements from 86.4% of the land area of Ma’aleh Adumim. And from 40% of the settlements’ land area in total. Not bad for an opening position. When do the negotiations start on the 13.6% and the 60%? See ya.

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          • AJew

            “We already discussed Jerusalem and Gush Etzion. Swaps. Do keep up.”

            No we didn’t discuss it Benny. Your Arabs claim that Jews living in the Jewish quarter of East Jerusalem and Gush Etzion are land thieves. When you admit that they are LIARS, that’s when you can say that “we discussed it”. C’mon Benny. You can do it. You are nearly there already. You just about admitted it already but you just can’t quite get there. You are too one eyed to actually admit it. How sad.

            “Clearly, Benny also admits that 60% of the settlements are legitimate because they were NOT built on privately owned Arab lands. Ok. All Benny wants to talk about is the 40% of settlements which are allegedly built on private Arab lands. So let’s talk about it, shall we?”

            “Now look. Have some self respect. This is the cheesiest fabrication. It’s comically obvious. Just be gracious and admit it.”

            Cheesy? Why? Another “judgement call” by Benny 😊

            “Firstly, let’s put a bit of perspective…That is not theft. It is a transaction. It may be a transaction which the owners are forced into.”

            Wow. Al Capone couldn’t have said it better. Organized crime! Occupation mafia! So now, 40% of the settlements and 86.4% of Ma’aleh Adumim are privately owned land we stole, but we didn’t really steal it you see….”.

            No Benny. This has nothing to do with your friend Capone. You are just playing your emotive card again.

            Go and read up on international law. You’ll find that it is perfectly legal for an occupying army to confiscate privately owned lands for security reasons. NOTHING ILLEGAL about it. Don’t you know anything, Benny-leh? Do you want me to cite a reference link? Or do you want to research it yourself. Go on, don’t be lazy!

            “Gustav you used to be a semi-respectable “it’s all about ‘security’” kinda special pleader but lately you’ve entirely dropped the mask. Wow. You catch them red-handed! And yet they always have an excuse! “Oh but ok you see we stole it ok but we didn’t steal it cuz it was for ‘security’ so we, um, forced a transaction on them you see….”. Gangsters. Again and again, we come back to this truth. Gangsters.”

            I used to be respectable? But I am not respectable now, Benny? Ok. If you say so. But you are right in a way. I am a bit more strident nowdays and I no longer pull my punches with you guys. See your effect on decent people who are foolish enough to engage with you lot under the misguided expectation that it is possible to discuss this complex middle east mess rationally?

            “And yes we ARE at war because they still refuse to sign a peace deal with us.”

            “From here on out whenever you state “peace deal” I will read “forced transaction.” And whenever you state “we are at war” I will read “we needed to take the land somehow.”

            You do what you want Benny-leh. It’s your “judgement call” LOL 😛

            Anyone who says that it is one’s “judgement call” to call anyone they don’t like a thief (as you said) is just a clown who cannot be taken seriously.

            “As someone said here recently, you can’t win an argument with these guys because they just make up stuff as they go along. I’m done. I’ve made my points. Pleased to let it stand. ”

            Yep, you made your point, oh one eyed automaton.

            “86.4%! Organized crime!”

            Yes Benny-leh, we love you too (NOT).

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