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A life of constant fear for Jerusalem Palestinians

From checkpoints and soldiers to the fate of our children, fear is everywhere in East Jerusalem these days.

By Fuad Abu Hamed

Israeli forces assault a Palestinian man near Damascus Gate, in the Old city of Jerusalem, October 23, 2015. Many new checkpoints have been set up in the Palestinian quarters of Jerusalem. Tensions rise in recent weeks with violent attacks by both Israelis and Palestinians and clashes around the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jerusalem and Palestinian towns inside Israel. (photo: Anne Paq/Activestills.org)

Israeli forces assault a Palestinian man near Damascus Gate, in the Old city of Jerusalem, October 23, 2015. Many new checkpoints have been set up in the Palestinian quarters of Jerusalem. (photo: Anne Paq/Activestills.org)

Friends, I want to tell you about what is happening to us in East Jerusalem. Even today, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Jerusalem live a life of fear. This kind of situation is completely unprecedented.

Palestinians fear having their residency revoked; they fear being cut off from their city, from Al-Aqsa Mosque, from the Old City, from their families, from their schools. Every morning dozens of people try to rent or buy an apartment on the Israeli side of the wall; Palestinians who live in neighborhoods of East Jerusalem where a wall is planned live in the same fear; they feel this is part of a process — that their turn is yet to come.

There is a fear of the cruel closure that continues to disrupt the lives of the residents, causing students, doctors, teachers, and businesspeople to constantly be late. The neighborhoods of Jabal Mukaber and Issawiya are besieged and the traffic police are always handing out tickets. Dozens of young people, women and the elderly continue to be humiliated at checkpoints under the guise of routine searches (earlier this week, Channel 10 published testimonies from the interrogations of young men accused of throwing stones in the neighborhood of Sur Baher. One of the suspects, Abed Duweit, said he was humiliated by Border Police officers an hour before he decided to throw stones.)

What will the parents do?

Several days ago two Jewish women from the West Jerusalem neighborhood of Armon Hanatziv came to hand out cakes to the soldiers stationed at the Sur Baher checkpoint. An elderly man who came with them waved a giant Israel flag, along with a two-year-old boy and a cute, white dog. The soldiers at the checkpoint were elated, bringing traffic to a standstill as they welcomed their supporters, all while hundreds of Sur Baher’s residents were prevented from entering or exiting the neighborhood.

The situation inside the neighborhoods is awful. Even the little that the municipality used to do for them no longer happens. The trash is not properly collected, and the dilapidated infrastructure is buckling under constant street closures that cause a huge mess, not to mention unrest among residents.

Israeli police and stop and check Palestinians going out of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya on October 15, 2015,  Jerusalem, Israel. (Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

Israeli police and stop and check Palestinians going out of the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya on October 15, 2015, Jerusalem, Israel. (Yotam Ronen/Activestills.org)

People are afraid of leaving for work or seeking medical treatment at the hospital. Elective surgeries and checkups are routinely delayed, and some of the students who attend Israeli colleges or universities have difficulties making it to class. People are afraid of home demolitions or leans placed on their bank accounts due to unpaid municipal taxes.

The Jerusalem municipality cruelly punishes its Palestinian residents: serving them with demolition orders, leans for failing to pay taxes, heavy fines on businesses, etc. No one is sure what motivated the Palestinian Bezeq (phone company) employee from the Jamal family, who rammed his car into and stabbed a group of Israelis in the city. What is certain is that he and his family have been humiliated this past year, including by a massive raid on their homes in the middle of the night, during which women and children were made to stand outside.

The demolition of the Jamal family home, after two members of the family perpetrated the Har Nof synagogue massacre last year, caused severe damage to a nearby houses, including the home of the Bezeq employee, several days before he decided to turn to violence. I do not know if this is what caused him to do what he did, but it surely had an impact. I can personally testify to the anger and frustration I feel on a daily basis.

It is very difficult to be a parent to my young children these days. The fear of what may happen to our children is paralyzing — watching them be humiliated in front of your eyes is too much to bear.

I could list dozens more difficulties and problems. I believe that it is precisely these problems that sow devastation among the vast majority of residents who are uninvolved in violence — who wish only to continue living their life as usual. The soldiers at these checkpoints know neither dignity nor culture. Their job is simply to humiliate us — this is likely the reason they were sent here. This collective punishment must stop, and those on the other side of the city who understand what we are going through must intervene.

Fuad Abu Hamed is a businessman and social activist based in Sur Baher. This article was first published in Hebrew on Local Call. Read it here.

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    1. Bluegrass Picker

      “chickens coming home to roost”. Fuad – y’all attempted to genocide the Hebrew-ethnics out of Jerusalem. You failed. So now you get your opportunity to live in Amman. Katherine Whitely has a shit-ton of experience in crushing the Welsh and the Scots nations – maybe she can advise you. And that’s the way it is. Buy your Amman condo now, before the prices go up.

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    2. Ben

      “Several days ago two Jewish women from the West Jerusalem neighborhood of Armon Hanatziv came to hand out cakes to the soldiers stationed at the Sur Baher checkpoint. An elderly man who came with them waved a giant Israel flag, along with a two-year-old boy and a cute, white dog. The soldiers at the checkpoint were elated, bringing traffic to a standstill as they welcomed their supporters, all while hundreds of Sur Baher’s residents were prevented from entering or exiting the neighborhood…The soldiers at these checkpoints know neither dignity nor culture. Their job is simply to humiliate us…”

      More dispatches from the chronicles of Israeli narcissism.

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      • Gustav

        Random murder, using knives, using cars, using guns, using bombs, using stones, using molotov cocktails, of Jewish Israelis by “peace loving” Palestiians…..

        Karma is a bitch, Benny. the Palestinian Arabs reap what they sow. And you will too, Benny, one day, for being part of the chorus which encourages them.

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        • Ben

          That’s funny I never hear you complaining when the neighbors get shoved off their land, property stolen, water taken, their olive trees slashed and burned by the thousands, beaten, humiliated on a daily basis for 48 years and relentlessly and absolutely irrespective of any “terror threat” or calmness. And Ariel and Ma’aleh Adumim and Itamar are necessary for “security.” LoL. And the hilltop “youth” are just “a few bad apples.” Ah yes.

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    3. Ben

      Two more dispatches from the chronicles of narcissism. One by a fascist population transfer fantasizer well out of the closet, the other masking a hard core rightist agenda in new agey language dripping with condescension about encouraging the natives, and both oozing hate. “Occupation? What occupation? Only the Palestinians are violent.” Looks like the natives aren’t cooperating with the colonialists boys. Apartheid is getting to be a drag? What to do. What to do….. The karma for 48 years of brutal occupation and exquisitely organized cruelty is a bitch. Thou shalt not steal. Those chickens are indeed coming back to roost. Millions of those pesky Arabs on your hands, and growing! Gosh they have babies those folks!, in the one state you created and looks like they’re not too happy with the way they’re being treated by their masters. What to do. What to do…,. It is interesting to see the rage and frustration seeping in here. All because you just gotta have more. 78% is just not enough. Can’t share Jerusalem. Gotta have it all. Yes the chickens come home to roost. Karma is a bitch, my friend. You have no idea how selfish you look to the rest of the world. Narcissists never do. You’re lost and don’t know it. Morally, you’re wandering in the wilderness.

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      • Gustav

        Same old one sided simplistic propaganda. Now here is a reality check…

        The violence was started by the Arabs nearly 100 years ago because they claimed ALL the land for the greater glory of Araby. Supremacism anyone?

        100 years ago there was no occupation Benny. What was their excuse for the violence against us then?

        The occupation came about as a consequence of Arab violence Benny so it is dishonest to use the occupation as an excuse for violence.

        And it is particularly dishonest to deny the many peace offers which the Palestinians rejected which would have brought about the end of the occupation and your litany of excuses for them for their violence.

        So that brings us to the present. Yes we respond to the above history and no we are not nice to them either but Benny shuts his eyes and yells constantly about occupation and what we do. He is not the least bit interested in the culpability of the Palestinian people, as a people, for what befell them and the situation that they put themselves into and from which they refuse to extricate themselves by making hard pragmatic decisions to settle this conflict which THEY initiated.

        And yes, Benny, I’ll say it again, people like you who encourage the Arabs to continue to live by the sword will be made to account for your actions. Very soon. The world is getting wise to your tactics Benny and people who pour oil on forest fires don’t get away with it forever.

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        • Gustav

          The following bit of history illustrates the cynicism of the types of leaders which the Palestinian Arab people chose to put their faith in. I won’t even metion Hamas whom they clearly supported in the democratic elections which were held in 2006. One does not need to introduce Hamas and what they stand for. They speak for themselves…

          Rabin’s peace overture, the Oslo Accord, was an inferior offer to Barak’s peace offer which included Palestinian statehood not just autonomy. Do you agree or not? If you disagree then please justify.

          Yet, Arafat embraced Oslo or at least he pretended to because it pulled him out of the proverbial s&@t after he made the boo boo of siding with Sadam in the first gulf war which then left him isolated.

          But by the time he got Barak’s peace offer, he felt himself back in the box seat and he was bold enough to respond with a violent Intifada to Barak’s better offer. And please don’t trot out your stock standard BS excuse that the visit of a Jewish leader to Judaism’s holiest site warranted such an intifada.

          The above recent history illustrates why we still have an occupation. We have it because of the intransigence and duplicity of the types of Palestinian Arab leaders whom the Palestinian Arab leaders choose to support.

          Ok I eagerly await your specific response to THIS point. Not an irrelevant quote from one of your many co-ideologues who are all driven by the same agenda as you.

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        • Gustav

          The following bit of history illustrates the cynicism of the types of leaders which the Palestinian Arab people choose to put their faith in. I won’t even metion Hamas whom they clearly supported in the democratic elections which were held in 2006. One does not need to introduce Hamas and what they stand for. They speak for themselves…

          Rabin’s peace overture, the Oslo Accord, was an inferior offer to Barak’s peace offer which included Palestinian statehood not just autonomy. Do you agree or not? If you disagree then please justify.

          Yet, Arafat embraced Oslo or at least he pretended to because it pulled him out of the proverbial s&@t after he made the boo boo of siding with Sadam in the first gulf war which then left him isolated.

          But by the time he got Barak’s peace offer, he felt himself back in the box seat and he was bold enough to respond with a violent Intifada to Barak’s better offer. And please don’t trot out your stock standard BS excuse that the visit of a Jewish leader to Judaism’s holiest site warranted such an intifada.

          The above recent history illustrates why we still have an occupation. We have it because of the intransigence and duplicity of the types of Palestinian Arab leaders whom the Palestinian Arab people choose to support.

          Ok Benny, I eagerly await your specific response to THIS point. Not an irrelevant quote from one of your many co-ideologues who are all driven by the same agenda as you.

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          • Ben

            All of these several tediously elaborated remarks, which center more or less on this theme–

            “what befell them and the situation that they put themselves into and from which they refuse to extricate themselves by making hard pragmatic decisions”

            –amount to excessive blame externalizing and an absence of appropriate blame internalizing. To put it succinctly. And hint around at the fact that you expect surrender not peace making. Why you feel entitled to that is the subject of the posts above.

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          • Gustav

            I expect the original agressors too to make concessions for peace. And by concessions, I mean they need to make concessions which we ask of them. We give them the end to the occupation in return and we take the risk that they will not give up what they originally set out to do to us (destruction of the Jewish state) and that we would have to defend ourselves from a much more vulnerable position. Less secure borders and the Palestinian Arabs would be able to arm themselves with much more advanced weapons or even let in say Iranian troops right on our border. Could we cope? Yea, probably but our casualty rate would be much worse than it is now.

            They caused the occupation with their violence. So if they want us to take risks by withdrawing to less secure borders then they need to be pragmatic and be willing to accept what we ask in return.

            If they don’t then we won’t give them what they want either. It is as simple as that.

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          • Ben

            You’re impossible. But what’s new. They’re already making massive concessions. The end of the occupation is not yours to give them. The “much more vulnerable borders, less secure position” is pure nonsense, your own military and security chiefs have admitted it. This is the old Eisian “we gotta have watchtowers on the hills of Samaria” malarkey. “The original aggressors…They caused the occupation” is tired, old contentious nonsense disproven by your own historians. Yours is an indirect admission that you do expect to exact surrender to your dictates in order for you to feel better and grab what you want. Good luck with that. You’re going to need it. You are a true Bibi-ist. Externalize all blame and live by the sword forever. Have fun. I would, however, advise you to stop whining. If you think the rest of the outside world is going to see it your way and empathize with you over this, well, I think that’s an illusion. Yeshayahu Liebowitz was right a long, long time ago. This is not just a strategic issue. The occupation is a moral failing that has and is deeply corrupting your society. All you have to do is look at the video embedded in Lisa Goldman’s article of your border police overlords casually brutalizing those journalists. This is what you have become. That border police guy is you and you are him.

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          • Gustav

            If by “I expect them to surrender” you mean that I expect them to give up their dream of eliminating the Jewish state, you are 100% right. That’s exactly what I expect them to do.

            As for us whining? As usual Benny, you are up yourself. You are the one who never stops whining on their behalf. Heck, you whine about the occupation and about how evil we are. You are the whiner Benny. You whine even more than they whine and by Joe, they whine enough too.

            Oh and you never answer points which prove how wrong you are about your claims. Here, let me remind you again, you never said a single thing to counteract what I said about Rabin and Barak’s peace credentials. Here it is again…

            Rabin’s peace overture, the Oslo Accord, was an inferior offer to Barak’s peace offer which included Palestinian statehood not just autonomy. Do you agree or not? If you disagree then please justify.

            Yet, Arafat embraced Oslo or at least he pretended to because it pulled him out of the proverbial s&@t after he made the boo boo of siding with Sadam in the first gulf war which then left him isolated.

            But by the time he got Barak’s peace offer, he felt himself back in the box seat and he was bold enough to respond with a violent Intifada to Barak’s better offer. And please don’t trot out your stock standard BS excuse that the visit of a Jewish leader to Judaism’s holiest site warranted such an intifada.

            The above recent history illustrates why we still have an occupation. We have it because of the intransigence and duplicity of the types of Palestinian Arab leaders whom the Palestinian Arab people choose to support.

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      • Bluegrass Picker of Afula

        >>>> One by a fascist population transfer fantasizer well out of the closet

        We liberated Spain Yesterday; we are liberating Rakhine today; we will liberate Har ha-Beit tomorrow.

        PS: You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet. We still got Coptics that have a score to settle with the Arabics.

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    4. Ben

      Yeshayahu Liebowitz was right.

      http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.683216

      The simple truth about the occupation
      Yeshayahu Leibowitz got it right even before 1967 when he warned that Israel was heading down a dangerous moral slope

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    5. Ben

      Netanyahu’s Apartheid Vision for Israel’s Future
      In the real world, outside the realm of speechmaking, Netanyahu is only ready to hold empty and aimless talks with the Palestinians.
      http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.682912

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      • Gustav

        There goes Benny again, whining again. But he will not, under any circumstances explain the anomaly of why Arafat pretended to embrace Oslo. Why Oslo was good enough for him but the much better offer of Ehud Barak warranted a violent response.

        Poor old Benny is running from this anomaly so fast we can’t even see his feet. He is avoiding, blustering, distracting, he is even dancing. Anything but trying to explain this anomaly.

        For those interested in the explanation, read my previous post.

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        • Ben

          Arafat Shmarafat. Who cares? Life is now. Why be stuck in the moldering pages of “Gustav’s Grim Fairy Tales of ‘The Hundred Years War’ — In Which ‘The Arabs’ are to Blame Most Awfully for Everything and ‘The Jews’ for Nothing at All”?

          You might have missed this article by Baskin. Or perhaps you’re treating it like Israel treats the API. To be studiously ignored at all costs.

          Encountering Peace: Debunking myths
          By GERSHON BASKIN
          Wed, 21 Oct 2015, 09:55 AM

          http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Encountering-Peace-Debunking-myths-428662#article=6017N0MyRjhGNzJBQzhDRDlGODRGNDZCMDE1OEVBQzY2RTQ=

          Barak in reality, as opposed to Fairy Tales, knew he couldn’t offer the Palestinians a real deal because the exploitive Sharon was just waiting to savage him for any “concession.” And Barak lost anyway. A charade it was.

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          • Gustav

            Aaaaaand folks, Benny is still furiosly dancing. He still has no answer to this anomaly…

            Rabin’s peace overture, the Oslo Accord, was an inferior offer to Barak’s peace offer which included Palestinian statehood not just autonomy. Do you agree or not? If you disagree then please justify.

            Yet, Arafat embraced Oslo or at least he pretended to because it pulled him out of the proverbial s&@t after he made the boo boo of siding with Sadam in the first gulf war which then left him isolated.

            But by the time he got Barak’s peace offer, he felt himself back in the box seat and he was bold enough to respond with a violent Intifada to Barak’s better offer. And please don’t trot out your stock standard BS excuse that the visit of a Jewish leader to Judaism’s holiest site warranted such an intifada.

            The above recent history illustrates why we still have an occupation. We have it because of the intransigence and duplicity of the types of Palestinian Arab leaders whom the Palestinian Arab people choose to support.

            …yea says Benny, it’s not relevant says he. Nah nothing is relevant for him when facts illustrate how his daaaaarlink Palestinian Arabs are culpable for their predicament. Just end the occupation he whines constantly. Nah, his daaaarlinks don’t have to lift a finger even though they f….ed up numerous times as they do NOW!!! you just fix it he say, his Palestinian Arabs have to do diddly squat to fix things. The onus is all on us, according to Benny-leh. He lives in his own fantasy land…

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          • Ben

            Complete nonsense, obsessively repeated. You make no sense. How many times are you going to repeat nonsense? At the time Oslo was a temporary accord, obviously, meant to lead to a Palestinian state. The Oslo Process was to lead to good faith negotiations on borders of Israel and Palestine, Israeli settlements, Israeli military control, the status of Jerusalem, the right of return, etc. The whole nine yards. It’s the right wing Israelis–the real “Oslo criminals”–who deliberately and in bad faith exploited Oslo, turned Oslo into an instrument of permanent occupation and the supposed “inferior offer” you invent. Rabin had *no intention, ever* of letting Oslo lead to a Palestinian state. The whole thing was an Israeli ruse. Presented as something strictly temporary that would lead to a negotiated Palestinian state, but in reality meant as a delaying tactic and a ruse.

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    6. Ben

      Gustav, another one of your cherished assumptions (about the RoR) goes up in smoke:

      ‘I don’t want right of return for Palestine refugees, but a solution for them,’ Abbas says

      On Sept. 30, at UN headquarters in New York, Abbas said: “We cannot continue to be bound by these signed agreements with Israel” because “the status quo cannot continue.” At the meeting, Abbas also said he and the Palestinian Authority “never asked anyone to boycott Israel,” only products produced in the settlements. Asked about what Ramallah calls the “right of return” of several million Palestinians to what is today Israel proper, he said: “I am not asking for a right of return for six million Palestinians; I want a solution for them.”

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      • Gustav

        Yep says Benny, they broke it, you fix it. As in ‘us’ Israel and ‘they’ the Palestinian Arabs…

        All they want is a solution to the refugee problems echoes, Benny. Well here is one…

        Israel absorbed nearly a million Jewish refugees from Arab lands. Those Arab lands could do the same with their Palestinian Arab refugees for whom they pretend to wear their hearts on their sleeves.

        That’s what happened in other similar conflicts in other wars throughout history. A population exchange. Go read up on the Pakistan India conflict or the Greek Turkish conflict at the turn of the 20th century.

        Want a solution? Don’t look at us. Look towards your Arab brothers. Tell them to fix what THEY helped to break…

        PS
        Benny still did not respond to the anomaly which I highlighted which illustrates how his daaaarlink Palestinian Arabs help to perpetuate this crazy conflict. Read my previous post…

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        • Ben

          Nope. Sorry. Your cherished talking point about how “they intend to destroy us” with the RoR goes up in smoke. Poof!

          P.S.: Benny did respond. Just peer through the haze of all that smoke you created and you’ll find it.

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          • Gustav

            BEN:”Nope. Sorry. Your cherished talking point about how “they intend to destroy us” with the RoR goes up in smoke. Poof!”

            http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2012/11/04/abbas-i-did-not-give-up-on-the-right-of-return/

            Poof? BS, Benny, you didn’t even bother to give a link to back up your assertion. Now read the following and see how Abbas speaks out of both sides of his mouth….

            “Ramallah, Palestinian Territories (AFP) – Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas has denied giving up on the refugees’ right of return, saying remarks about not returning to his home town, which is now in Israel, was a “personal position.”

            “I have never and will never give up the right of return,” he told Egypt’s Al-Hayatt Egyptian satellite channel late on Saturday, according to a transcript released on Sunday.”

            BEN:”P.S.: Benny did respond. Just peer through the haze of all that smoke you created and you’ll find it.”

            You just dismissed it as irrelevant. But how can it be irrelevant? Here, read the anomaly again…

            Rabin’s peace overture, the Oslo Accord, was an inferior offer to Barak’s peace offer which included Palestinian statehood not just autonomy. Do you agree or not? If you disagree then please justify.

            Yet, Arafat embraced Oslo or at least he pretended to because it pulled him out of the proverbial s&@t after he made the boo boo of siding with Sadam in the first gulf war which then left him isolated.

            But by the time he got Barak’s peace offer, he felt himself back in the box seat and he was bold enough to respond with a violent Intifada to Barak’s better offer. And please don’t trot out your stock standard BS excuse that the visit of a Jewish leader to Judaism’s holiest site warranted such an intifada.

            The above recent history illustrates why we still have an occupation. We have it because of the intransigence and duplicity of the types of Palestinian Arab leaders whom the Palestinian Arab people choose to support.

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          • Gustav

            PS
            Benny just shot his already shattered credibility to pieces.

            He continually avoids, evades, dismisses relevant facts. He even tells outright lies all in the name of his cherished propaganda.

            For instance, he claims that Abbas does not insist on their so called right of return. That is an outright lie.

            Read my above post which I will keep quoting at him every time he’ll whine about the occupation.

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          • Ben

            Abu Mazen, September 30, 2015 (just two days ago–and three years after the quotation from 2012 that you trot out of a purposefully ambiguously worded reassurance to his people that he was not “giving up” on the ROR as an issue (why on Earth would he? He should be a Zionist?)):

            “I am not asking for a right of return for six million Palestinians; I want a solution for them.”

            An important qualification! Consistent with the API! Now what part of that do you not understand? What part of the significance of that do you not understand? You should be rejoicing. Instead you’re mumbling and dissembling, clearly dismayed. Now why would that be? It couldn’t be because you don’t want to make peace now would it? LoL.

            Here’s a link to it from your very own Jerusalem Post, home of Caroline Glick!:

            http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/I-dont-want-right-of-return-for-refugees-but-a-solution-for-them-Abbas-says-430581#article=6017QTdGRTUwMTg5RDQyQTQxOEQ4RUE3NTVDRkRCNTJBMjI=

            As for the whole P.S. nonsense about Oslo, Barak and Arafat, you are indeed having difficulty seeing through the smoke you’re churning out. Again, please see my post, today, that begins about four or five posts up:

            “Complete nonsense, obsessively repeated. You make no sense. How many times are you going to repeat nonsense? At the time Oslo….”

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          • Gustav

            Yep, Abbas is like the weather he goes every which way depending who the audience is. Except, unlike the weather, Abbas is predictable. He talks out of both sides of his mouth…

            “I don’t want right of return for Palestine refugees, but a solution for them,’ Abbas says

            In an appearance before Dutch Jews”

            But to the Egyptians he said…

            http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2012/11/04/abbas-i-did-not-give-up-on-the-right-of-return/

            “Ramallah, Palestinian Territories (AFP) – Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas has denied giving up on the refugees’ right of return, saying remarks about not returning to his home town, which is now in Israel, was a “personal position.”

            “I have never and will never give up the right of return,” he told Egypt’s Al-Hayatt Egyptian satellite channel late on Saturday, according to a transcript released on Sunday.”

            Only Benny can reconcile the two contradictory statements. Yet Abbas is consistent. His above denial to the Egyptians, that he gave up the right of return, too were made after he made soothing noises to an Israeli audience about the right of return. But immediately afterwards he denied the very same thing when he talked to an Egyptian audience.

            Only the Bennies of this world give credence to such a person. And they give credence to his duplicious statements despite all contradictory evidence including Abbas’s refusal to let Palestinians from Syria to sign away their right of return even to save their lives.

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          • Gustav

            BEN:”As for the whole P.S. nonsense about Oslo, Barak and Arafat, you are indeed having difficulty seeing through the smoke you’re churning out. Again, please see my post, today, that begins about four or five posts up”

            Yep, in that post Benny attempts to dismiss my point below by decree. “Nonsense”, he says. But he does not even attempt to explain why my point is “nonsense”. Here is my point again…

            Rabin’s peace overture, the Oslo Accord, was an inferior offer to Barak’s peace offer which included Palestinian statehood not just autonomy. Do you agree or not? If you disagree then please justify.

            Yet, Arafat embraced Oslo or at least he pretended to because it pulled him out of the proverbial s&@t after he made the boo boo of siding with Sadam in the first gulf war which then left him isolated.

            But by the time he got Barak’s peace offer, he felt himself back in the box seat and he was bold enough to respond with a violent Intifada to Barak’s better offer. And please don’t trot out your stock standard BS excuse that the visit of a Jewish leader to Judaism’s holiest site warranted such an intifada.

            The above recent history illustrates why we still have an occupation. We have it because of the intransigence and duplicity of the types of Palestinian Arab leaders whom the Palestinian Arab people choose to support.

            …yea says Benny, it’s not relevant says he. Nah nothing is relevant for him when facts illustrate how his daaaaarlink Palestinian Arabs are culpable for their predicament. Just end the occupation he whines constantly. Nah, his daaaarlinks don’t have to lift a finger even though they f….ed up numerous times as they do NOW!!! you just fix it he say, his Palestinian Arabs have to do diddly squat to fix things. The onus is all on us, according to Benny-leh. He lives in his own fantasy land…

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          • Ben

            And once again Gustav you are completely missing the point. Oslo and “Barak’s offer” are apples and oranges. Oslo was an agreement to a process leading to what was supposed to be good faith negotiations on borders of Israel and Palestine, Israeli settlements, Israeli military control, the status of Jerusalem, the right of return, etc. When the Oslo Accords were signed they settled no final status issue. They held out promise to do that. “Barak’s offer” on the other hand presented a fixed final status constellation, the end of the road. And as Baskin so clearly shows, Barak’s offer was nowhere near as “generous” as condescending and memory-crafting Israelis liked to imagine in the first place or now fondly remember. Now why is this plain set of apples and oranges, that I’ve now set out on the table in broad daylight, so apparently difficult for you to differentiate?

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          • Ben

            Gustav, you’re making my exact point for me! +972 is exactly right. Oslo was a trick. An Israeli trick on the Palestinians. It was not “inferior to Barack’s offer” as presented–and if the Palestinians had known the trick the Oslo Agreement was they would never have accepted it. Oslo’s trick poison apple and Barak’s sour, desiccated orange–not even comparable let alone rankable along an inferior-superior dimension. I’ve laid it out.

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          • Gustav

            You are making out your Palestinians to be fools, Benny.

            They may be lotsa things Benny but they are not fools. They knew exactly what Oslo promised and didn’t promise. It was fully spelt out. But they pretended to go along with it for the reasons which I already mentioned. You can pretend all you like that it’s otherwise but you are just lying to yourself and to others.

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          • Ben

            Why do you waste my time with nonsense? You are showing the Palestinians, yet again, the dismissive contempt that the Israelis have become known for. The Oslo Accords created the Palestinian Authority as a provisional government, and laid out a five-year timetable for resolving all areas of conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis. The Oslo accords included the first formal mutual recognition between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, and specified that bilateral negotiations were the only viable path to Palestinian statehood. No one in their right mind and certainly no one honest pretends that the Palestinians–remember you say they are not fools, Gustav, and I agree, Gustav, they are not fools–signed onto Oslo thinking that the Oslo Process would not lead to an independent state. Give it up, pal, you’re trying to weasel out of the corner you are trapped in by your own empty bluster. This exchange as a consequence is getting progressively emptier and emptier. Put a fork in it.

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          • Gustav

            Are you saying that Rabin set out to fool the Palestinians Benny?

            Because your own +972 magazine claims that Rabin never intended to allow your Palestinians their own state. Here read it again. Or keep your head in the sand, I don’t care…

            http://972mag.com/yitzhak-rabin-never-supported-palestinian-statehood/113295/

            “Yitzhak Rabin never supported Palestinian statehood”

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