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+972 podcast: Pros and cons of the Palestinian UN bid

Our second podcast addresses the upcoming Palestinian bid to be recognized as a state at the UN General Assembly taking place this week.

In the studio are +972 bloggers Dahlia Scheindlin, Dimi Reider, Joseph Dana and Larry Derfner. The host is Noam Sheizaf and Dimi also doubled as producer for this podcast.

+972 Podcast 20 September 2011: Palestinian Statehood bid by dimireider

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    1. annie

      impressive, thanks

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    2. I was very disappointed in Joseph Dana’s analysis. I often feel that he is not exactly reporting, so much as promoting resistance.

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    3. It was a very stimulating discussion. I liked Joseph’s last question of ‘what kind of country do we really want to be’.

      I think that discussion never ends, even if temporarily quieted by dancing from one drama to another.

      The question is being asked, and discussed.

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    4. What do you do when your enemy leaves? What do you become?
      Bibi wants you to stay what you are. I see the international posturing as nothing but that. The tools to become something different in your own country are there. What is it in your political system that prevents their sustained use?
      I could ask the same of the West Bank.
      I am not there, on either side. Yet I see each side afraid of something in itself. I cannot see progress until you find a way to actualize self reflection.
      Easy to say, outside a land of unending hits, I know.

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    5. directrob

      Dahlia I do not think the Palestinians want or can afford the situation to “calm down”. For them each year they calm down they see 20000+ more settlers and more importantly have 5% less space to live. They urgently need their rights and no more deaths.

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    6. It would appear from the content of their speeches that both Mr. N and Mr. A have chosen to advance their respective agendas by agreeing to disagree.
      Wow! Now I never saw that one coming. Did you?

      I am reminded that all their words have probably been rehearsed and approved long beforehand and that, given the somewhat formulaic nature of the Israeli and Palestinian positions, very little more could have been expected. And that is, very likely, the reason why this conflict keeps on going, having outlasted all attempts to terminate it in well over six decades. No one can depart significantly from the script without a great deal of political (and sometimes personal) risk. Hence, the overall dilemma.
      The stalemate has become self-perpetuating, self-enforcing; the tram-lines upon which it runs stretch out as far as the horizon with minimal allowance made for any deviation.

      The whole process might very well come under the heading of ‘autonomous,’ an independent entity having almost no purpose other than to maintain itself in being.

      And the only thing that will counter such a vehicle is one that has very similar characteristics, possessing the same degree of autonomy but with even greater power.


      If these two leviathans were ever to meet, the outcome, to say the very least, would be
      of such consequence that only one could possibly survive.

      And I think we all can guess which one that would be.

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