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Yair Lapid reveals true nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

During a recent interview with Charlie Rose in New York, Israeli Finance Minister Yair Lapid tacitly reveals why the Israeli-Palestinian conflict endures and why Israel will only accept peace on its own terms.

Yair Lapid on the Charlie Rose Show (Screenshot)

Over the past week or so, as the United Nations General Assembly brought leaders from around the world to New York, several of them made their way onto American political talk shows.

Charlie Rose, one of America’s best and most watched interviewers, hosted a number of political leaders from the Middle East, including Bashar al-Assad of Syria (from Damascus) and Hassan Rouhani of Iran. Rose also interviewed three major politicians from Israel: Benjamin Netanyahu, Tzipi Livni, and Yair Lapid.

Lapid, in particular, sat with Charlie Rose for extended coverage, receiving a lot of attention for a public show at the 92Y in New York. The event actually overshadowed an interview with Rose from earlier in the night on his show that I thought was more interesting. While the majority of the interview was an expose of Lapid as a journalist turned politician, there is a telling six or seven minutes near the end that should be watched closely.

Rose begins on the Palestinian issue by inquiring as to the differences between Lapid and Prime Minister Netanyahu over Palestinian recognition of Israel as a “Jewish” state. Lapid replies by saying that such recognition is not important. “My father did not come to Haifa from the Budapest Ghetto to get recognition from Abu Mazen [Mahmoud Abbas],” he quips.

Lapid says the Israeli non-Jewish minority should have its rights, like any minority, but that Israel is a Jewish state, and he aims to keep it that way. He delves into the demographic threat facing Israel, saying “if we continue to rule three or four million Palestinians, the identity of Israel… will vanish.”

We need to separate ourselves from the Palestinians. It is not marriage that I am seeking, it is a decent divorce.


All of this is not new, but the really interesting part begins after 44 [it is easy to skip ahead].

Lapid tells Rose:

The problem with this negotiation is that the Israelis and Palestinians want two very different things: the Palestinians want peace and justice; the Israelis want peace and security. And we will always be in conflict there.

Rose catches the significance of that statement, inquiring:

Are you saying you can’t have justice for the Palestinians and security for the Israelis?

This is where Lapid begins to get a little flustered, not losing his cool, but clearly not knowing how to answer without being completely forthright. He says that justice and security are possible but that the two parties want different things and therefore it takes time.

Rose continues to press him, asking, “What about the Palestinians’ interest in justice are you not prepared to give them – if you were prime minister or King David.” Lapid continues to squirm, at which point Rose calls Lapid out for being evasive and then lets him off the hook.

Although seemingly innocuous, Lapid reveals exactly what he means by “wanting different things” and “it taking time,” later in the interview. When Rose asks him about settlements in the West Bank and Jerusalem, Lapid says that there is a major difference between the two and that Israel will never divide Jerusalem. Rose says then you cannot have peace, to which Lapid retorts:

I will give you an example. For years and years everybody thought that without the Right of Return the Palestinians will never, never do anything. And then Abu Mazen six months ago or eight months ago sits on an interview on Israel’s Channel 2 — not BBC, not Charlie Rose — but Israel’s Channel 2 and says, ‘I understand now that I will never go back to my home in Safad,’ which is Israel, mainland Israel.

So what happened? What happened was the Palestinians realized there is a total consensus against the Right of Return, and if they really want to have a state, they will have to give up on this. It’s the same about Jerusalem. The question is, do the Palestinians want their own state?

This statement says it all.

The entire power dynamic and the futility of negotiations is laid bare. The Palestinians and the Israelis have two different conceptions of peace: the Palestinians justice, the Israelis security. Security is how we, Israel, define it. Security is no Right of Return. Security is a united Jerusalem under full Israeli sovereignty. And until the Palestinians give up on their concept of justice, like they did with the Right of Return, yet still cling to uselessly with Jerusalem, they will not have a state of their own. It doesn’t matter that the actual consensus is clearly with partitioning Jerusalem. Once enough time has passed and we continue to change the facts on the ground unilaterally, the Palestinians will come around.

It is clear that this is how Israeli politicians see it. They will take what they want by force and negotiate what they don’t want as a matter of form. The question is how far the Palestinian leadership is willing to capitulate by lending their consent to this method through signing off on it at the negotiating table. Based on what was revealed in the Palestine Papers, that may be pretty far. Although, it is hard to say how much legitimacy the Abbas-led government has in striking a deal, especially one that gives up the Right of Return for millions of people, something enshrined in international law. Maybe Abbas, like Arafat before him, is unwilling to be browbeaten into signing a permanent deal that gives up Palestinian rights — which Israel has then used to create the dominant narrative of themselves as doing whatever it takes to make peace and the Palestinians as “never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity,” and Palestinian leaders as willing to negotiate but never willing to sign a deal out of duplicitous motives.

As Lapid says even later in the interview after completely negating the significance of Jerusalem to the Palestinians and the entire Muslim world:

Jerusalem is our capital and we will not negotiate about this. Well, we will negotiate but we will never give up on this.

Negotiating is fine because talk means nothing. The important thing is to know that Israel is in control.

Related:
At annual conference, Palestinians and Israelis turn ‘return’ into reality
Looking beyond the ‘curse’ of partition 

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    1. The Trespasser

      Lapid is such an idiot (facepalm). He can’t even lie properly.

      >the Palestinians want peace and justice; the Israelis want peace and security.

      Bullshit. Palestinian Arabs want Judenfrei Palestine ruled by Arabs.

      Since no person in sane mind would agree to live in a primitive, retrograde society in a country bound to fail, there is no hope for any kind of peace.

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    2. been there

      Mahmoud Abbas in NOT a Palestinian leader. He is unelected and unrepresentative.

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      • Kolumn9

        Are there any Arab leaders at all? Aren’t they all basically unelected and unrepresentative?

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    3. XYZ

      Omar, of course, thinks that “Justice” belongs to the Palestinians. What about justice for the Jews, Omar? What about our national rights in Eretz Israel (or, the land of Palestine as you call it)? It chokes in the throat of Abbas and the other Palestinians to even utter the words.
      Omar ignores the significance of Jerusalem to the Israelis and the entire Jewish (and Christian world, for that matter), to paraphrase his comment near the end.

      Omar also brings the falsehood that the so-called “right of return” of the refugees is “enshrined in international law”. Well, as long as Omar and the other Palestinians insist on this, they aren’t going to get anything. So we see that having self-determination and an independent state is not the most important thing for them, the eradication of Israel, the Jewish State is. Thus, nothing is going to change.

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      • un2here

        You really wouldn’t want justice to the Jews – what a terrible wish for ones own?!?

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      • Palestinian

        Justice to foreigners and thieves (and terrorists) from Russia, Poland , Iraq , Ethiopia and India ?

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        • BaladiAkka1948

          You forgot the US, main contributor of fanatical Taliban-like nutcases.
          By the way, XYZ (former Ben Israel) is an American.

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          • Palestinian

            and Canada, France, Hungary , Morocco, China ……2l list 6aweeleh ,the point is any foreigner from the Jewish faith has the right to settle in our homeland while we are being denied a visit !

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        • Tzutzik

          Most Palestinian Arabs are descendants of foreign invaders and ruthless colonizers. Both cultural and physical colonizers.

          The Jews are descendants of the rightful owners of the land

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          • aristeides

            Is that lime Koolaid you’re drinking, Tztuz?

            I suppose you haven’t seen the latest DNA study that shows most European Jews are descended from non-Jewish European mothers.

            In the meantime, the actual descendant of the Judeans who remained in their homeland have been pushed out by the children of the Gauls and Goths.

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          • Tzutzik

            Hey Aristo

            Everyone knows that the Arab people originate from the Arab peninsula. Their language is Arabic and their religion is Islam. And the Palestinian Arabs speak Arabic and their religion is Islam too. Is that just a coincidence? Or are you smoking something?

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          • Palestinian

            Your ignorance is annoying.Jewish and Christian Arab tribes existed long before Islam.

            Our native language is Arabic ,but that doesnt mean we come from Arabia.Its ridiculous to assume that 300 million Arabs originated from Arabia.

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          • CigarButNoNice

            The heck. You land-thieving usurpers were nothing but Syrians (people of Al Sham) until the aftermath of WW1. Till then, only Jews viewed Palestine as a special place in its own right.

            The false Pal-Arab narrative is nothing but a cover for the imperialist project of robbing the Jews of their land. He who is concerned with justice will support the Jewish nation’s rights and condemn Arab aggression against the Jewish state.

            Back to Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia you go, stealers of Jewish land! No justice, no peace!

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          • un2here

            You are not convincing …

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          • Palestinian

            Palestine is part of Bilad Al-Sham , that’s why its Bilad not Balad,smarty !

            Its ludicrous to call us thieves while the real thieves have come from 5 continents to steal our homeland.From whom did we steal the land ? Von Herr und Frau Silverstein oder die Familie Goldberg? Get real khabibiti Cigara

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          • JohnW

            “Our native language is Arabic ,but that doesnt mean we come from Arabia”

            Are you listening to yourself man? Your native language is Arabic but your forefathers don’t come from Arabia? So why do you speak Arabic?

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          • Palestinian

            Why do Americans speak English ? Why do the Quebecois and people of Cote d’Ivoire speak French ? Why do Jewish Americans speak English ? Please John use the bowl over your neck …

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          • JohnW

            Stop beating around the bush, Palestinian. Answer my question, why do Palestinian Arabs speak Arabic?

            There are only three possibilities:

            1. Their ancestors are from Arabia.

            2. Their ancestors have been colonised by Arabs, and blended into the Arabs from Arabia.

            3. A combination of the above.

            I say it is 3. Now tell me which one of them is which? At least the Jews of Israel speak the ancient language of the Israelites. And they preserved the culture and religion of their ancestors who lived in the land of Israel.

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          • Palestinian

            One word : Arabization
            Now are you gonna answer my questions?

            Modern Hebrew wasn’t spoken by the Israelites.The revival of Hebrew,which was a dead language for almost 2 millennia,has started in the late 19th century.

            The ancestors of the majority of Jews worldwide didn’t practice Judaism in Khazaria.

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          • Shmuel

            “The ancestors of the majority of Jews worldwide didn’t practice Judaism in Khazaria.”

            Not that old canard! You are just making a fool of yourself Palestinian.

            There is indisputable archeological an historical evidence that there was the kingdom of Judea which was a Jewish state, in the land that the Romans renamed Palestine, for a very long time. The Romans defeated the rebelion of the Judeans and exacted terrible vengance. So the Jews had to flee and find refuge wherever they could.

            Throughout Europe’s history, the Jews crop up at various places and they are subject to persecutions. Yet here we are today, the Jewish people. But we are somehow not the same people?

            Insted, according to the Khazar myth, the real Jews, the descendants of the Judeans somehow disappeared but instead, some stupid Khazars volunteered to take their place, hung up signs around their necks, claimed to be Jews so that they would be convenient targets for persecution as Christ Killers. Who in their right mind would do that? A bizarre and far fetched claim. And the real Jews gave up being Jews and were replaced by masochistic Khazars??

            If you believe that shit Palestinian, then no doubt you also believe in Djins and spirits and the 1001 Arabian night stories, right?

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          • Shmuel

            Palestine is not Europe? You don’t say. You are a regular brainiac aren’t you, Palestinian?

            Even if your study is correct, anyone with half a brain, you don’t even qualify for that, would ask: what happened to the Jewish women? And what about the Jewish men? Or do you claim that European women converted to Judaism and had immaculate conceptions?

            Oh and wait … What happened to your Khazar Canard? Did you give up on it? What next? Little green men from Mars? You are a waste of space Palestinian. Go play in traffic.

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          • Shmuel

            And what about this?

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

            “Ashkenazi Jews share more common paternal lineages with other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than with non-Jewish populations in areas where Jews lived in Eastern Europe”

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          • Palestinian

            What about this ? Dr Eran Israeli-Elhaik …

            “We compared two genetic models for European Jewish ancestry depicting a mixed Khazarian–European–Middle Eastern and sole Middle Eastern origins. Contemporary populations were used as surrogates to the ancient Khazars and Judeans, and their relatedness to European Jews was compared over a comprehensive set of genetic analyses. Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis depicting a large Near Eastern–Caucasus ancestry along with Southern European, Middle Eastern, and Eastern European ancestries, in agreement with recent studies and oral and written traditions. We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaized Khazars, Greco–Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews, and Judeans and that their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan.” ;)

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          • Shmuel

            What about this?

            “In August 2012, Dr. Harry Ostrer in his book Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, summarized his and other work in genetics of the last 20 years, and concluded that all major Jewish groups share a common Middle Eastern origin. Ostrer also claimed to have refuted any large-scale genetic contribution from the Turkic Khazars.[17]“

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          • Palestinian

            Which studies are true ? Who has political agenda ? Notice almost all the professionals who worked on Jewish ancestry are Jewish …

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          • JohnW

            Which studies are true? Notice that all the ones who say what you say are charlatans, haters and liars like yourself.

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          • JohnW

            “One word : Arabization”

            Translation: The invading Arab hordes coerced much of the local population to take up Islam and adopt the Arab culture then they left?

            Does that sound plausible?

            Here is what really happened: yes, they forced as many of the local population as possible to shed their identities and join the ranks of the invading Arabs (but they could not do it to everyone. Most of the Jews did not convert). That’s how the Arabs grew stronger and were able to repeat the process elsewhere. But do you think that after they conquered the Middle East, North Africa and bits of Europe, the original Arabs packed their bags and returned to Arabia? If you believe that, then you believe in pixies in the back of the garden too. What really happened is they continued their cultural colonisation of the conquered lands, they stayed there and ruled with an iron fist. So most of the Arab world of today are descendants of both Arabs and the local pre-existing native population. What the proportion of each, is anybody’s guess. I say that most of them in Palestine at least, are descendants of Arabs. How do I know? Because before the invasion of the Arabs, Palestine was a desolate backwater of the Byzantine empire.

            Summary: If you want to learn about colonisation and how it is done? Go talk to the Arabs. They will teach you. No one does colonisation better than Arabs.

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          • Palestinian

            “I say that most of them in Palestine at least, are descendants of Arabs”

            And I say most Ashkenazi Jews are European.Back to Europe

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          • JohnW

            Arabs back to Arabia.

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          • Palestinian

            Let those who arrived last (or are still arriving lol …lol) leave first….

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          • JohnW

            Nah.

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          • Palestinian

            Yep Yep

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          • JohnW

            Let the Arab usurpers return to where they came from. Arabia!

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          • Palestinian

            Let the Khazars go back to Europe .They arrived last ,they leave first ;)

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          • JohnW

            You want Khazars to return? OK. I think the number will be nil because there aren’t any around here.

            As for you Palestinian. You have the mind of a 12 year old. But remember this. Everytime your like minded Palestinians planned for Jews (not Khazars) what you now seem to advocate, it happened to you insted.

            So, if it happens again, I hope you won’t take it too badly. Think about it before you shoot your mouth off again dude.

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          • Palestinian

            30% of Jewish Israelis are immigrants !

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          • Johnw

            Jews returning to their ancestral home land.

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          • Palestinian

            A myth ?

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          • aristeides

            John W – your native language seems to be English. Obviously your ancestors were West Germanic tribesmen. When are you packing your bags to return to your linguistic homeland?

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          • JohnW

            And your native language is what? Not American English?

            So, since you want me to return to England, maybe you would consider returning to England too and letting the native American Indians have their land back? Or do you want to preach water and drink wine, you hypocrite?

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          • mike panzone

            he is correct. one can speak a language and not be from the country of that language’s origination. i’m american, speak english…but never lived in england.

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          • Shmuel

            Your ancestors probably didthough.

            But let’s say your ancestors are not from England, even then, they are still colonisers from Europe.

            Jews on the other hand are descendants of a people who had sovereign ownership of the land that you call Palestine for thousands of years. So we have at least as much right to live in Israel, as you Americans have a right to live in America. Maybe even just a tad more.

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          • Shmuel

            I think he may have expressed himself better. When he said “justice”, he meant justice as Palestinians perceive it. Which of course has to be skewed towards Palestinians and neglect justice for others. In fact, I am pretty sure I heard Lapid say “Justice as Palestinians perceive it”.

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          • Piotr Berman

            One can observe that this argument is weird in the extreme. Jewish immigrants to Palestine and later, Israel spoke a variety of languages, with notable exception of Hebrew. If they chose to learn Esperanto rather than Hebrew, now they would be lecturing us that they descent from ancient Espers, and kept their Esper traditions for 10,000 years.

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          • Ilonj

            At least Jews preserved their ancient language. Your Pali Arabs did not take the trouble to preserve their canenite (or is it canine?) language. So you tell us Mr Russian Piotr which ones of the Palestinians is of cananite descent and which ones are of Arab descent? I bet you can’t

            In any case, as others have stated numerously, most Israelis accept the two state solution. But Arabs like Palestinian here and their apologists like you and Aristeides claim all of Palestine for Arabs only. So who is ignoring history and who is being unfair, the Arabs or the Israelis?

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          • Shmuel

            “Your ignorance is annoying”

            As is yours, “Palestinian”. It is always interesting to see the reaction of those who make mindless claims against ‘others’ get a dose of their own medicine. They can dish it out but they cannot take it. Pathetic, just pathetic.

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          • Danny

            Your ignorance is not typical, though not annoying (I am rarely annoyed by rightists anymore simply because I recognize that their worldview originates mainly out of fear). Other than language and basic religious framework, Palestinian Arabs are different from Egyptian Arabs, who are different from Syrian Arabs, who are different from Saudi Arabs, etc. Just like you wouldn’t claim that all Jews are the same, claiming so for Arabs is equally ridiculous.

            Oh, and that beloved patriarch of yours – good old Abe – he was an Iraqi Bedouin before he decided to seek his fortune in a western land. If he were alive today, he’d probably find himself being relocated to one of Prawer’s concentration camps.

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          • Danny

            I meant your ignorance *is* typical.

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          • Tzutzik

            Hey Danny

            If we get dehumanized, our response is to dehumanize. Just read “Palestinian’s” and Aristo’s original comments, you think they did not make simplistic and ignorant comments about us?

            At least we rightists are honest. Everyone knows what we stand for. We protect our own. Who do you protect? Our enemies? Oh wait, now you are going to tell us that people like “Palestinian” and Aristo are not our enemies?

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          • aristeides

            Tzutz, may I suggest a course in elementary history. It would help clear the junk out of your mental closet.

            You might learn that the Levant has been conquered a lot, by a lot of different empires. At one point, a lot of the descendants of the Judeans became Christians, when they were conquered and ruled by the Byzantines. Later, they were conquered and ruled by the Arabs, and a lot of them become Muslims and began to speak Arabic. Some are still Christians and also speak Arabic.

            People who speak Arabic as their native language are commonly refered to as Arabs. It doesn’t mean their ancestors came from the Arabian peninsula. The people of Egypt also speak Arabic, but they’re the same people who’ve always lived in Egypt.

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          • Tzutzik

            Ah ok Aristo, I promise to look at history if you promise to do likewise. Here get this little bit of history into your thick little skull:

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_Titus

            Detail from the Arch of Titus showing spoils from the Sack of Jerusalem

            The Romans conquered the Judeans and exiled most of them to the for corners of the earth. We are the descendants of those exiles. We kept our language, religion, written history, alphabet and culture and we returned to our ancestral homeland.

            Now you tell me, which of the Palestinian Arabs are descendants of Arab invaders? And which are the conqured and culturally colonized ones? Since they blended into one, it is very hard to tell them apart isn’t it? They all speak Arabic now and most of them are Muslim. The Christian Arabs are probably the ones who are part of the original inhabitants so they are probably not usurpers. So they are welcome to stay. As for the Muslims, if they persist in trying to dehumanize us, we will do likewise to them. That’s only fair, don’t you think?

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          • aristeides

            Myths, Tzootz, all myths.

            Try this one – if the Romans exiled all the Jews from Judea, who wrote the so-called Jerusalem Talmud? The Pope?

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          • Tzutzik

            Ok Mr ‘In Denial’, the victory arch of Titus in Rome is just a myth? You are a funny man, Mr Aristo. Why don’t you visit Rome and see for yourself? It is there to this day with the inscriptions and the engravings as shown in my link above.

            You are in denial or you are smoking something Aristo? Or both. More than likely both.

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          • Tzutzik

            As for the Talmud, that was written by various Jews all over the place. By calling it the Talmud of Jerusalem, here read about it:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Talmud

            It was written in the 2nd century after Jews filtered back following their exile in 70 AD. Didn’t we agree on that in past acrimonial arguments we had? No I guess not. On top of your other mental handicaps, you also seem to suffer from memory loss, my dear friend, Aristo.

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          • JG

            The arch in Rome is in what matter a proof for the exile myth, Douchetzik?
            Ma, get a brain and comne back if you’e learned something. Like logical conclusions for instance.
            Reapeating myths doesn’t make them real history if you only repeat them long enough.

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          • Tzutzik

            JG, for a thick head like you nothing is proof. Go read some reputable history books, not written by the likes of Dr Irving or his holocaust denier ilk.

            It simply isn’t my job to educate dunderheads like you.

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          • Shmuel

            Sigh …

            1.The Judeans rebelled against the Romans.

            2. The Romans defeated the Judeans as commemorated by the Arch of Titus.

            3. The Romans exacted a terrible punishment. They murdered every Jew on sight and took lots of other Jewish slaves away with them.

            4. The Romans renamed Judea to Palestine.

            5. The Romans renamed Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina and forbade any Jew to live there.

            6. Only a small remnants of Jews ended up living in places like Zefat (which was part of Judea) where some scholars like Hillel established a Yeshiva (place of learning).

            The rest of the surviving Jews subsequently turned up in various other places of the Roman Empire.

            Which bit of all of the above does not seem to you like an exile of the Jews by the Romans, JG, hmmmmmm?

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      • sh

        We’ve had a fair amount of justice already, they’ve had an unfair amount of injustice since. Justice belongs to both Jews and Palestinians.

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    4. sh

      Watching the vid (squirming). Did he just mutter that Tsfat is in mainland Israel?

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    5. Aaron Gross

      Lapid is such a fool. Just pathetic. I think that’s one thing that all of us, right, left, and center, can agree on.

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    6. mcohen

      a farmers prophecy for you my friend

      Near hebron ,the trees of mamre where abram camped,the earth will open,a spring will flow again
      a house of worship will be built.
      3 pilgrims will gather,prayers carved in stone,a stream of water,to quench there thirst

      Blessed are thee ,Lord,who reigns in the seven realms
      in the north,in the south,in the east ,in the west
      in the earth below,in the heavens above
      in our souls eternally

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    7. Shmuel

      Amazing what bias does to one. Hence the derogatory comments against him by the author of this article.

      I always found this guy remarkably honest and fortright. He even admits mistakes. Not bad for a politician huh?

      He exhibited those qualities in this interview too. Even if one disagrees with some of his views, he is a breath of fresh air.

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    8. Vadim

      1. Lapid is not of the sharpest pencil in the box. There’s really no point in looking deeply into what he says. The man is incapable of uttering two sentences without one contradicting another.

      2. Just because you agree with what he says doesn’t mean he reveals “the true nature” of anything.

      3. Justice is a complex thing. What is justice for the Jews? Don’t we deserve a place to call our own? No a single place on earth? What would be called justice between the Jews and Germany, or for that matter – between the entire world and Germany? How can the Germans atone for millions of deaths? Millions of people displaced or wounded? And yet the world has moved on and the old wounds are slowly healing. By preserving the “refugees”, by demanding “justice” you only keep the conflict alive. You don’t let the wounds heal and normalization take place.

      4. I don’t like historical arguments about who owns this land, whether people from Europe have less rights to live here than people from Egypt and whether I’m actually a Khazar. I always thought that Palestinian Arabs with their shaky claim of nationality should be extra careful when criticizing the nationality of others. But here’s my little contribution to those who say the Palestinian Arabs are actually Palestinians that have lived here for (at least) a millennia – http://youtu.be/4UhVcAfMmuc?t=42s

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      • Shmuel

        Oh and by the way, I never said I agree with Lapid about everything.

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        • Shmuel

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          Vadim

          Here are a few things that I don’t like about Lapid:

          1. His inate need to be liked. He is a populist. Good politicians accept not being liked from time to time when they have to implement harsh medicine for the overall benefit of all.

          2. He could express himself better. For instance, in this interview when he said, “the Palestinians want justice”, he should have said: “the Palestinians want justice as they perceive it”. I am sure that’s what he meant but I don’t really remember whether he said it that way or not.

          The distinction is important. There is a huge difference between the two ways of saying it.

          3. I disagree with him anout his willingness to dismiss the need to demand recognition for the Jewish state. The lack of willingness by the Palestinians to concede that point speaks volumes about their willingness (or lack of) to end the conflict. After all, the crux of this 100 year old conflict was the unwillingness of Palestinian Arabs to accept the return of the Jews to the Jewish ancestral homeand.

          Imagine if the allies would not have insisted that the Germans should renounce their Nazi ideology at the end of WW2. That would have been unthinkable. In the same way, if we are to have some measure of confidence that this conflict would come to an end, thhe Palestinian Arabs will need to renounce their old resistance to the Presence of the Jews by recognising Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people.

          By the way, I liked your video, Vadim.

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    9. Richard

      There it is again, “international law.” The telltale sign of intellectual dishonest in any discussion about the “right of return.”

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