Comments on: What Yair Lapid’s anti-Zoabi comments reveal about Israeli politics http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Thu, 02 Oct 2014 02:01:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8 By: Noevil9 http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-110299 Sun, 24 Feb 2013 21:08:12 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-110299 Devorah, That was beautifuly and correctly said. I find that some Zionists have their common sense blinded by their desire to demonstrate their loyalty to their Zionism/Jewishness. So they become selective in understanding ,or allowing of a message or an idea to be understood by them or others. The truth means very little, if it does not support their arrgument, or agenda. Good one, thanks.

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By: @paulvcassidy http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106938 Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:17:05 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106938 Harsh judgement it seems though Yair Lapid’s Yesh Atid party is hardly intended to be inclusive – pretty much the norm in Israel. A more generous interpretation of Yair’s apparent linguistic jibe at Haneen Zoabi may be that he was challenging her to form a unified Arab-Israeli Party to mirror his own parties electoral success.

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By: Shmuel http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106049 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:52:50 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106049 @Rum/Meron
SHMUEL:“I did not have to”:
RUM/MERON:no sorry, if you tell me that that human beings don’t have any right to make their “aliyah” because they wanted to “kill the jews” you have to provide data and legal arguments.”

I did, you just chose to ignore my arguments. Here they are again:

“All their leaders declared it (that they want to destroy the Jewish state) and they still do. Hamas has it in their charter. The terrorism that they carried out for nearly 100 years, the riots their pogroms, yes as far back as the 1920s proves their intent. And so does their 4 years of suicide bombing campaign between 2000 and 2004, right after Ehud Barak’s peace initiative. All proof enough for me. And most of us.”

“The terrorism that they carried out for nearly 100 years”: I could speak for two about zionist-israeli terrorism. Spare me please.”

In other words you agree with me that there has been 100 years of war between Arabs and Jews.

SHMUEL:“While the Palestinian Arabs collectively want to destroy my rights”: RUM/MERON:shtuiot.

Saying “Shtuiot” does not make facts go away.

“Palestinian Arabs want to live a decent life”

Yes, and for them, a decent life, means no Jewish state.

“and they want that people like u start to recognize which huge price they paid for your dream.”

And I want them to recognise what a huge price I would have to pay if we let them destroy the Jewish state.

SHMUEL:“Like most human beings, including Arabs, I am driven by self preservation”:
RUM/MERON:good to know that you consider the other, ie the Palestinian people.

Yet they and you don’t consider me and mine, us.

SHMUEL:“I don’t know how many of them loved Jews as you would have me believe”:
RUM/MERON:so what you claim is baseless.

You are not the judge.

SHMUEL:“But I do know that they as a group”:
RUM/MERON:how do you know? Always with your private survey?

From their actions and words. Read what I said above. I am prepared to repeat it as often as you ask.

SHMUEL:“I know which side I am on in that war. And I know which side people like you are in that war too”:
RUM/MERON:I am on the side of peace and self-determination, you for the war.

You are on the side of self determination for Arabs. And slavery or death for Jews.

SHMUEL:“I think you would happily murder us (or more likely would rather farm out the job to our enemies because you haven’t got the stomach to do it yourself)”:
RUM/MERONYou assume wrong. I detest the occupation”

The occupation could have ended years ago if thats all the Arabs would want. But they want more than that. They want the destruction of the Jewish state. The occupation therefore continues.

“and the attempt to deny the self-determination of million of human beings.

As long as the millions are not Jewish.

” I would not touch a human being even with a flower.”

But you would happily put Jews in harms way. Deadly harm.

“You are for violence (occupation is violence), not me.”

Yes, violence in self defence if necessary. Unlike you, I won’t willingly walk into the gas chambers again, as long as we can defend ourselves. And if not, we will die fighting.

SHMUEL:“Every word that you address to me drips of malice and hatred”:
RUM/MERON:No hatred, but I detest people that for ignorance continue to support settlements and occupation.

No hatred but you detest? Are you listening to yourself?

“This is my last post: ”

I hope so. Do you really mean it this time?

“I am for peace and for the self-determination of both people.”

Jews cannot have self determination if they become a minority in their own state. Instead, such a state would become the 25th Arab – Muslim state.

“Israel has all the right to exist,”

Yes, so you pretend. But everything you say suggests that your dearest wish is to end the Jewish state.

“as the Palestinians have all the right to fight for their self-determination.”

If they have the right to fight then so do we.

“Again, I am for peace, you are for war, settlements, occupation.”

And for the sake of that peace you would rather see Jews enslaved again or dead.

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By: rum http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106045 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:52:20 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106045 Shmuel/Trespasser/Bosko…ect
“I did not have to”: no sorry, if you tell me that that human beings don’t have any right to make their “aliyah” because they wanted to “kill the jews” you have to provide data and legal arguments. Otherwise are just empty words.
“The terrorism that they carried out for nearly 100 years”: I could speak for two about zionist-israeli terrorism. Spare me please.
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“While the Palestinian Arabs collectively want to destroy my rights”: shtuiot. Palestinian Arabs want to live a decent life and they want that people like u start to recognize which huge price they paid for your dream.
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“Like most human beings, including Arabs, I am driven by self preservation”: good to know that you consider the other, ie the Palestinian people.
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“I don’t know how many of them loved Jews as you would have me believe”: so what you claim is baseless.
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“But I do know that they as a group”: how do you know? Always with your private survey?
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“I know which side I am on in that war. And I know which side people like you are in that war too”:
I am on the side of peace and self-determination, you for the war.
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“I think you would happily murder us (or more likely would rather farm out the job to our enemies because you haven’t got the stomach to do it yourself)”:
You assume wrong. I detest the occupation and the attempt to deny the self-determination of million of human beings. I would not touch a human being even with a flower. You are for violence (occupation is violence), not me.
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“Every word that you address to me drips of malice and hatred”:
No hatred, but I detest people that for ignorance continue to support settlements and occupation.
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” Yes, I get it but I still don’t hate you, I do resent you but above all, I pity you for your illness”:
I am against the occupation, you support it. Keep your pity for you and your family. Because if you are like that is simply because they gave u the wrong education and values.
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This is my last post: I am for peace and for the self-determination of both people. Israel has all the right to exist, as the Palestinians have all the right to fight for their self-determination. Again, I am for peace, you are for war, settlements, occupation.

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By: Shmuel http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106043 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:27:40 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106043 Hey Rum/Meron

I thought you said you were going to stop writing posts to me.

Do you think we are making progress? Or do you think we are heading nowhere fast?

Personally, I think its the latter. What do you think?

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By: Shmuel http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106042 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:18:13 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106042 SHMUEL:”Because the Palestinians declared that they don’t want a Jewish state in the Middle East and that they will fight against it to the death”:
RUM/MERON:who did declare this? did you do a public survey?”

I did not have to. All their leaders declared it and they still do. Hamas has it in their charter. The terrorism that they carried out for nearly 100 years, the riots their pogroms, yes as far back as the 1920s proves their intent. And so does their 4 years of suicide bombing campaign between 2000 and 2004, right after Ehud Barak’s peace initiative. All proof enough for me. And most of us.

“are your assumptions sufficient to explain why a Palestinian that was expelled from Palestine in 1947/48 should have less rights to make “aliyah” than a Jew from NY that perhaps never set a food in the region?”

But the Jewish migrant does not want to void my right for self determination in my own state. While the Palestinian Arabs collectively want to destroy my rights. That is all the information that I need. Like most human beings, including Arabs, I am driven by self preservation. As for you and your kind? Well I already voiced my thoughts about you. If you are Jewish, then you belong in an asylum. You need plenty of love, care and medications. Lest you destroy yourself and the rest of us along with you.

“how many among the 800.000 pal refugees, according to your private survey, wanted to “kill all the jews” and how many between them were simply trying to preserve their land, as are trying to do in our very same days dozens of families in the west bank?”

I don’t know how many of them loved Jews as you would have me believe. But I do know that they as a group, chose to make total war against the Jewish people. On and of since the 1920s. They had their paranoia against us and no doubt we have paranoia against them. But there is no denying that there was war. I know which side I am on in that war. And I know which side people like you are in that war too. I think you would happily murder us (or more likely would rather farm out the job to our enemies because you haven’t got the stomach to do it yourself) the ones you simplistically describe as people with “settler mentality”. Every word that you address to me drips of malice and hatred. Yes, I get it but I still don’t hate you, I do resent you but above all, I pity you for your illness.

“are you aware that you live in a bubble completely detached from the truth and the reality on the ground?”

You forgot to take your medication again.

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By: rum http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106030 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 20:03:27 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106030 Shmuel/Trespasser/Bosko…ect
“Because the Palestinians declared that they don’t want a Jewish state in the Middle East and that they will fight against it to the death”:
who did declare this? did you do a public survey? are your assumptions sufficient to explain why a Palestinian that was expelled from Palestine in 1947/48 should have less rights to make “aliyah” than a Jew from NY that perhaps never set a food in the region? how many among the 800.000 pal refugees, according to your private survey, wanted to “kill all the jews” and how many between them were simply trying to preserve their land, as are trying to do in our very same days dozens of families in the west bank? are you aware that you live in a bubble completely detached from the truth and the reality on the ground?

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By: Shmuel http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106027 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:44:46 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106027 @Rum/Meron/Berl etc …
“But I wonder why a Palestinian that was expelled from Palestine in 1947/48 should have less rights to make “aliyah” than a Jew from NY that perhaps never set a food in the region.”

Going around in circles again.

Because the Palestinians declared that they don’t want a Jewish state in the Middle East and that they will fight against it to the death. Our death. They have shown by deed that that they meant it.

We on the other hand, most of us at least, want a Jewish state. So we are not going to be stupid and let them stop us.

It is not the “chosen people” syndrome as you haters so venomously describe it. It is the syndrome of us making sure that our self declared enemies, the Arabs, won’t triumph against us. And that we will survive. I know that Jewish survival is anathema to you people but most of us DO believe in it. Go figure.

Understand now, Meron? No, I guess not. You are either too stupid. Or too malicious. I think it’s the latter.

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By: directrob http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106012 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:29:01 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106012 Maybe but I feel silly about making a fuzz about what was an honest slip of the mind. Moreover I was really a bit shocked to find it in Mairavs article.

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By: rum http://972mag.com/what-yair-lapids-anti-zoabi-comments-reveal-about-israeli-politics/64815/comment-page-1/#comment-106004 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:53:41 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64815#comment-106004 PS
“the PLO does not want Jews in their state”: if they come as “colonizers”, defying international law and common sense, for sure not.

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