Comments on: What the Adnan affair tells us about the occupation http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Sun, 26 May 2013 08:27:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Piotr Berman http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45333 Piotr Berman Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:36:10 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45333 AT makes utterly misleading comparisons. Detaining aliens who are in a country illegally does not require "presenting evidence", it is responsibility of an alien to have a proof of being present legally. The concept that such aliens can be deported is not in question. The process can be more humane and less expensive, or less humane and more expensive, but the process itself is legitimate. By the way of contrast, the idea that you can designate some class of "bad people" and year after year kidnap them from their legal homes, torture or subject to degrading treatment, release, without any proof of accusation (or some extremely shoddy accusations and a lot of torture) is against the most elementary and modest norms of justice. And then we have absurd statement that release of Adnan Khader has nothing to do with his innocence. Of course it does not, if his detention was not based on a guilt but "being a bad person". PS. Picture of a "terrorist": http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2004/08/1583.shtml AT makes utterly misleading comparisons. Detaining aliens who are in a country illegally does not require “presenting evidence”, it is responsibility of an alien to have a proof of being present legally. The concept that such aliens can be deported is not in question. The process can be more humane and less expensive, or less humane and more expensive, but the process itself is legitimate.

By the way of contrast, the idea that you can designate some class of “bad people” and year after year kidnap them from their legal homes, torture or subject to degrading treatment, release, without any proof of accusation (or some extremely shoddy accusations and a lot of torture) is against the most elementary and modest norms of justice.

And then we have absurd statement that release of Adnan Khader has nothing to do with his innocence. Of course it does not, if his detention was not based on a guilt but “being a bad person”.

PS. Picture of a “terrorist”: http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2004/08/1583.shtml

]]> By: Piotr Berman http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45330 Piotr Berman Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:16:43 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45330 How did Jabob approach Esau? Once I have seen an editorial in JP with that opening. The author recalled how Jacob starting negotiations by sending gifts, and claimed that it would be wise for GoI to show some generosity to PA before negotiations in January. The reactions were mixed, as usual, but the consensus of the readers was that this is an idiotic idea, if not pernicious. Someone observed that what Jacob did was OK because he did not have overwhelming advantage. That much for Scripture being a fount of morality. Lisa: if you can't stand trolls, do not start a blog. I greatly appreciate that you guy get involved in discussions, but you sometimes take it too personally. How did Jabob approach Esau?

Once I have seen an editorial in JP with that opening. The author recalled how Jacob starting negotiations by sending gifts, and claimed that it would be wise for GoI to show some generosity to PA before negotiations in January.

The reactions were mixed, as usual, but the consensus of the readers was that this is an idiotic idea, if not pernicious. Someone observed that what Jacob did was OK because he did not have overwhelming advantage. That much for Scripture being a fount of morality.

Lisa: if you can’t stand trolls, do not start a blog. I greatly appreciate that you guy get involved in discussions, but you sometimes take it too personally.

]]> By: Steve http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45256 Steve Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:25:08 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45256 It's always fun visiting the circus It’s always fun visiting the circus

]]> By: Adam Young Bennion http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45246 Adam Young Bennion Sat, 25 Feb 2012 22:33:21 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45246 blind & crazy: OCCUPATION = TERROR! israelis very regularly cheer 4 murder in other countries of those they are certain hate them, deserve to die, ALL WITHOUT LAW! but it so regular, it not terror, just breakfast or lunch! MEK not 'terrorist' because they KILL for YOU, HAMAS is terrorist (but wasn't when FATAH 'was', right, & israel helped or helps both when convient, obviously)! blind & crazy: OCCUPATION = TERROR! israelis very regularly cheer 4 murder in other countries of those they are certain hate them, deserve to die, ALL WITHOUT LAW! but it so regular, it not terror, just breakfast or lunch! MEK not ‘terrorist’ because they KILL for YOU, HAMAS is terrorist (but wasn’t when FATAH ‘was’, right, & israel helped or helps both when convient, obviously)!

]]> By: Steve http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45230 Steve Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:22:32 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45230 Listen, crazed ranting is fun and all, but if you want to find people who "live for terror," it isn't most Israelis, most of whom are normal and educated and just want to exist. Instead, you can look at the jihadist terrorist organizations outside of Israel who literally think it's an honor to be blown up and have dedicated their lives to trying to kill Israelis. Listen, crazed ranting is fun and all, but if you want to find people who “live for terror,” it isn’t most Israelis, most of whom are normal and educated and just want to exist. Instead, you can look at the jihadist terrorist organizations outside of Israel who literally think it’s an honor to be blown up and have dedicated their lives to trying to kill Israelis.

]]> By: Adam Young Bennion http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45223 Adam Young Bennion Sat, 25 Feb 2012 19:00:40 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45223 If BARAK doesn't live for terror, why he smiling on his way to it? If BARAK doesn’t live for terror, why he smiling on his way to it?

]]> By: Adam Young Bennion http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45222 Adam Young Bennion Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:52:41 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45222 GOT NEWS for you, Steve: my mother's mother's father's father's mother POLLY PECKK KNIGHT is the first Latter-Day-Saint buried in just re-established ZION, Missouri, August 1831. ISRAEL & ESTHER BENNION parented MERVYN BENNION (Israel born in Utah 1860), whose body was highest ranking sailor recovered, & heroism celebrated, at PEARL HARBOR, 7 Dec 1941, he Captain of USS West Virginia! ya don't own either 'israel' nor 'zion'; indeed, ya defames 'em, only biblically entitled to name of judah after arrogance of solomon's son resulted in TWO KINGDOMS: ISRAEL (led by Ephraim w/10 tribes) & JUDAH (W/rump Benjamin)! HISTORY! GOT NEWS for you, Steve: my mother’s mother’s father’s father’s mother POLLY PECKK KNIGHT is the first Latter-Day-Saint buried in just re-established ZION, Missouri, August 1831. ISRAEL & ESTHER BENNION parented MERVYN BENNION (Israel born in Utah 1860), whose body was highest ranking sailor recovered, & heroism celebrated, at PEARL HARBOR, 7 Dec 1941, he Captain of USS West Virginia! ya don’t own either ‘israel’ nor ‘zion’; indeed, ya defames ‘em, only biblically entitled to name of judah after arrogance of solomon’s son resulted in TWO KINGDOMS: ISRAEL (led by Ephraim w/10 tribes) & JUDAH (W/rump Benjamin)! HISTORY!

]]> By: Adam Young Bennion http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45221 Adam Young Bennion Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:44:17 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45221 SO LOST, again! ZERO REMEMBRANCE of how JACOB became ISRAEL: after the angel's blessing, how did he approach his wronged elder twin, ESAU? remembering everything justifying his mother's & his stealing ISAAC's paternal blessing, taking advantage of his blindness? or did he simply look to a hoped-for-future with his flesh&blood, very generously? Israel-as-1-Tribe just head-in-the-sands history, not to mention unfulfilling, in case you'd not bloodily noticed, for anyone! SO LOST, again! ZERO REMEMBRANCE of how JACOB became ISRAEL: after the angel’s blessing, how did he approach his wronged elder twin, ESAU? remembering everything justifying his mother’s & his stealing ISAAC’s paternal blessing, taking advantage of his blindness? or did he simply look to a hoped-for-future with his flesh&blood, very generously? Israel-as-1-Tribe just head-in-the-sands history, not to mention unfulfilling, in case you’d not bloodily noticed, for anyone!

]]> By: Steve http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45219 Steve Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:39:36 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45219 ADAM YOUNG BENNION above ranted: "ISRAEL LIVES FOR TERRORISM" ... No, hatemonger, Israel "lives" for Israel, and its people. To create tech companies, to get an education, to live and survive. ADAM YOUNG BENNION above ranted: “ISRAEL LIVES FOR TERRORISM”
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No, hatemonger, Israel “lives” for Israel, and its people. To create tech companies, to get an education, to live and survive.

]]> By: Adam Young Bennion http://972mag.com/what-the-adnan-affair-tells-us-about-the-occupation/36241/comment-page-1/#comment-45217 Adam Young Bennion Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:35:34 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=36241#comment-45217 ZERO EQUIVALENCE between occupied & occupiers, ZERO! I remember only so recently photo of Israeli Defense Minister with soon-to-be-killed sniper, traveling to scene of convenient 'terrorist' outrage, both of them smiling, NOT traveling to such a scene as one seriously might imagine! ISRAEL LIVES FOR TERRORISM, WAS FOUNDED BY IT! we have a saying about the mote in your neighbor's eye, first take out the beam in your own! ZERO EQUIVALENCE between occupied & occupiers, ZERO! I remember only so recently photo of Israeli Defense Minister with soon-to-be-killed sniper, traveling to scene of convenient ‘terrorist’ outrage, both of them smiling, NOT traveling to such a scene as one seriously might imagine! ISRAEL LIVES FOR TERRORISM, WAS FOUNDED BY IT! we have a saying about the mote in your neighbor’s eye, first take out the beam in your own!

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