Comments on: What Palestinian statehood means for ICC jurisdiction over Israeli crimes http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:41:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8 By: JKNoReally http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94951 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:42:12 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94951 Different question? I addressed two of the same points you did. Anyway, Israel’s settlement policy is negligent – the amount of land taken, the amount of Palestinians displaces or killed, is very very low compared to, for instance Turkey’s war against the Kurds. Classic examples of shielding? You must not be reading the same ICC cases as the rest of us – Israel’s procedural standards are very high by ICC standards, and even if they weren’t, nothing any Israeli has ever done will compel the prosecutor to take a serious look at them. Obviously you’ve got all the concepts right – but you’re not explaining them properly. Seems like you think a lay audience will see you’ve got the basic framework down and believe you – but professionals, those who study the ICC and its cases and judges, won’t.

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By: Bubba http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94941 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:55:34 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94941 Wow – You guys are so civil here – quite refreshing to read – over at jpost it’s all venom and hate.

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By: Pierre http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94819 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:57:24 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94819 In my opinion, the Israeli settlements in Palestine concern the ICJ much more than the ICC. They are the result of an official Israeli policy, not of individual acts.

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By: Israeli guy http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94787 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:58:58 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94787 So we won’t get charged for our crimes? Holy I was scared for a second. Netanyahu got it all under control. Time to go bomb some Palestinian children. And rob hard earned American money. Yolo!

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By: mazentov http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94684 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:11:51 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94684 Muahaha. Great real satire remark by the greatest actual propaganda toy on this site.

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By: ellek http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94656 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:20:40 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94656 Rsgengland, you write: “Since the creation of Palestina by the Romans… Jordan occupied and annexed the West Bank, and Egypt controlled Gaza with an Iron Fist between 1948-1967 . Yet there was no call for a Palestinian State there then .
Just the call for Israels eradication.”


More than a mistake in your post.
1) Palestine was created by Romans; in case by Greeks, but this not the case either.
2) Second, People were demanding their independence during the years of Jordanian rule. The Fatah Party (founded in 1959) advocated Jordanian withdrawal from the West Bank, building on popular Palestinian sentiment of the day. Hostile sentiment against the Jordanian government did not subside with the Israeli occupation of the West Bank – in fact, it escalated to the point where King Hussein declared martial law, and Fatah fighters and other Palestinian militias were actually fighting against the Jordanian army.

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By: rsgengland http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94619 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:56:41 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94619 The arguments about the extent and area could go on forever .
Since the creation of Palestina by the Romans , its population,area and powers have fluctuated enormously . Jordan occupied and annexed the West Bank, and Egypt controlled Gaza with an Iron Fist between 1948-1967 .
Yet there was no call for a Palestinian State there then .
Just the call for Israels eradication .

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By: Palestinian http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94612 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:19:59 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94612 I misunderstood what you said .My apology.

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By: Palestinian http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94609 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:51:18 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94609 You said in your article ” The ICC has jurisdiction over crimes committed by individuals, be they citizens of member states or otherwise, if these crimes were committed in the territory of a member state” .

It means the ICC has no jurisdiction over crimes committed by Palestinian citizens (once Palestine joins it ) in the territory of a non-member state, which contradicts what you said ” no matter where they commit them”.

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By: Kevin Jon Heller http://972mag.com/what-palestinian-statehood-means-for-iccs-jurisdiction-over-israeli-crimes/61027/comment-page-1/#comment-94603 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:51:52 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=61027#comment-94603 Publo is absolutely correct: Article 11(2) of the Rome Statute specifically permits a state that ratifies the Statute to accept jurisdiction retroactive to 1 July 2002. That option would be open to Palestine.

It is also worth noting that Palestine would not have to ratify the Rome Statute to open up the possibility — however unlikely, as Weiner explains — of an ICC investigation. It could simply accept the Court’s jurisdiction on an ad hoc basis pursuant to Article 12(3).

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