Comments on: West Bank village A-Dik joins anti-occupation protests

By: Passerby

Passerby — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:13:41 +0000

Berl, I keep providing links and facts. I don’t know what more you want. You wrote “When the Arabs helped the Nazis” (as I told you you don’t have any clue about palestinians&hajj Amin) so I provided you with a link to an academic’s book revealing the same information I provided. Then you critize me again. It’s not my fault that this is the history and the history is disagreeable to you. It’s not my fault that many Palestinians want to distance themselves from Haj Amin but can’t. It’s not my fault that the “colonialistic western society” of the early 20th century made promises to the Jews, any more than it’s your fault that the same folks created virtually the entire modern Middle East. It’s also not my fault that 181 and 194 were rejected by the Arabs. My ego is not involved in these issues, it’s just that since I took the time to write the comments above, I wouldn’t want readers to think that just because “Berl” says that I’m ignorant, that they should ignore what I’ve written. So as long as you do, I will continue to provide information that shows that my comments contain valid information.

By: berl

berl — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:20:45 +0000

passerby, you really know a lot about the issue. impressive

By: Passerby

Passerby — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:07:52 +0000

I could provide 10 of these links without even trying hard, but I’m trying not to give these folks an excuse to ban me. Let’s start with one link to one book. Top of page 59:

http://books.google.com/books?id=HGkthBwbNg8C&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=the+abolition+of+the+jewish+national+homeland+in+palestine+hitler+amin&source=bl&ots=5QoZ9_fsNy&sig=fuLlIMMlYceVKuqaXfdH2n-tplg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QFM9T6uFNOWW2AWd2Zm4CA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

By: berl

berl — Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:15:48 +0000

You don’t have arguments and are ill-informed. Sentences like “When the Arabs helped the Nazis” (as I told you you don’t have any clue about palestinians&hajj Amin) or “promises made to the Jews by the world” (the League of Nation was a colonialistic western society; study also the history of the resolution 181 and the situation of the UN at that time) show a basic preparation that I don’t have time to correct. Study and put away your egocentrism. Ignorance is not a solution.

By: Passerby

Passerby — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:14:20 +0000

According to you and the average comment on this site, everything was fair for the Jews and unfair to the Arabs. When the population was 85% Arab and they decided to launch some pogroms, apparently that was unfair to the Arabs. When the Arabs ensured that not one Jew could remain in Hebron safely, apparently that was unfair to the Arabs. When the Arabs rejected Peel and 1947, both of which violated promises made to the Jews by the world, not just the British, that was unfair to the Arabs. When the Arab population grew because the economy in Palestine was booming like no other country in the Middle East, that was unfair to the Arabs. When the Arabs helped the Nazis and sought to have them assist with anti-Jewish programs, that was unfair to the Arabs. When Jews debated whether they could or couldn’t live side by side with the Arabs as they had hoped to before all the attacks and hostility from the Arabs, that was unfair to the Arabs. When the Arabs launched a war and lost it, that was unfair to the Arabs. When the Arabs sought to expel the Jews but only succeeded in the areas they conquered while finding themselves expelled of the areas they lost, that was unfair to the Arabs. When the Arabs launch terror attacks against the Jews, it’s because they know everything is unfair for the Arabs. And when the Arabs get bombed after launching 8000 rockets at Israeli communities, that is unfair to the Arabs. When the Arabs claim peace but nobody believes them because at the same time they deny Jewish history in the Land of Israel, that is unfair to the Arabs. And it just goes on and on. The most important one, though, is that when the Israelis offer the Arabs another state, with all of Gaza and almost all of Judea and Samaria, plus eastern Jerusalem, plus reparations, plus control over Christian and Muslim holy places, plus a permanent peace, and the Arabs reject the deal and do not change their positions at all, that’s also so unfair to the Arabs.
Hope that didn’t exceed 500 words or apparently I will be banned by Lisa Goldman. I believe that banning me will be unfair to the Arabs as well.

By: berl

berl — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:03:05 +0000

Up to now you didn’t bring anything that would deserve attention. But I am still optimist. But please at least put aside your egocentric approach.
The Peel Commission was peraphs fair for the Jews but totally unfair to the indigenous Palestinian majority: why 225.000 people (in exchanche of just 1.250) were suppose to accept to be transferred? just to please the colonialistic approach of Britain? or in order to make space to the “chosen people”?
Your context does not explain anything if not your solipsism:
“The matter of population transfer has provoked a debate among us: Is it permitted or forbidden? My conscience is absolutely clear in this respect. A remote neighbour is better than a close enemy.”

By: Passerby

Passerby — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:26:55 +0000

No thanks necessary, I’m glad to have provided context. Hope you’ve learned something.

By: berl

berl — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:23:59 +0000

“I have always believed and still believe that they were destined to be transferred to Syria or Iraq”.
Thank you for repeating what I have written.
ps Bosko go back in class

By: Passerby

Passerby — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:25:00 +0000

Berl, you quote some anti-Zionist whom nobody respects to attempt to bring up some red herring about “cruel Zionism” or you bring up but you claim superior knowledge? Well, you’re good for a laugh. Here is the full context of the Katzenelson quote you provided:

“The Peel Commission of 1937, sent to investigate the causes of the unrest, resulted in a report and White Paper. Their major recommendations were partition of the land into two unequal states, and population transfer:

Those areas, therefore, should be surveyed and an estimate made of the practical possibilities of irrigation and development as quickly as possible. If, as a result, it is clear that a substantial amount of land could be made available for the re-settlement of Arabs living in the Jewish area, the most strenuous efforts should be made to obtain an agreement for the transfer of land and population. In view of the present antagonism between the races and of the manifest advantage to both of them for reducing the opportunities of future friction to the utmost, it is to be hoped that the Arab and the Jewish leaders might show the same high statesmanship as that of the Turks and the Greeks and make the same bold decision for the sake of peace.

The solution was extremely unfavorable to Zionists, since the it recommended a second partition of Palestine, leaving a very small area for Jewish settlement.

After considerable debate, the Zionist executive accepted the Peel plan, despite the small size of the state on offer, because of the urgent need, that was felt even then, to provide a haven for the Jews of Europe. Strong objections to the Plan were raised in the Zionist executive because of doubts about the morality of transfer,

Berl Katznelson: an influential leader of the Mapai party favored transfer, including “compulsory” transfer. However, the “compulsion” was to come about as the result of agreement, and not through war or violent action. He wrote:
“The matter of population transfer has provoked a debate among us: Is it permitted or forbidden? My conscience is absolutely clear in this respect. A remote neighbour is better than a close enemy. They [the Palestinians] will not lose from it. In the final analysis, this is a political and settlement reform for the benefit of both parties. I have long been of the opinion that this is the best of all solutions…. I have always believed and still believe that they were destined to be transferred to Syria or Iraq.” – (At the World Convention of Ihud Po’alei Tzion, August 1937. Al Darchei Mediniyutenu: Mo’atzah ‘Olamit Shel Ihud Po’ali Tzion (c.s.)-Din Vehesbon Maleh, 21 July-7 August [1938], [Full Report of the World Convention of Ihud Po'alei Tzion, C.S.] (Tel Aviv,: Central Office of Hitahdut Po’alei Zion Press, 1938).

The subsequent Woodhead Commission, officially known as the Palestine Partition Commission, discussed several different partition plans, all were rejected by Arab representatives. and ultimately the partition plan was abandoned. However or the recommendation for continued suspension of Jewish immigration remained in force

Ami Isseroff

http://www.mideastweb.org/peelmaps.htm

By: Berl

Berl — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:54:27 +0000

Passerby,
The Palestinians don’t bear any responsability for what happened in any other part of the world. Israel, on the contrary, has at least an important percentage of responsability for what happened to the Palestinian refugees and for not allowing them to go back in their homes. The personal case of your grandmother does not matter. What counts are the hundreds of palestinians villages that were destroyed and/or repopulated by Jews immigrants.
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the war did not start in1948; it was started with the raising of the ideology of the JNF and their attempt to pursue the “extraterritorialization” of the land from its indigenous population.
Quoting a non JNF member…Berl Katzenelson:
“The matter of population transfer has provoked a debate among us: Is it permitted or forbidden? My conscience is absolutely clear in this respect. A remote neighbour is better than a close enemy. They [the Palestinians] will not lose from it. In the final analysis, this is a political and settlement reform for the benefit of both parties. I have long been of the opinion that this is the best of all solutions…. I have always believed and still believe that they were destined to be transferred to Syria or Iraq.”
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You really don’t have any clue about the issue of the “Grand Mufti of Palestine” and I don’t have time to educate you.