Comments on: Watching elections I cannot vote in http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Sat, 25 May 2013 03:21:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104674 Greg Pollock Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:23:15 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104674 I have read Aziz for some time, and have no doubt he will explain what this offered largesse of citizenship onto a new generation really entails. I have read Aziz for some time, and have no doubt he will explain what this offered largesse of citizenship onto a new generation really entails.

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104673 Greg Pollock Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:20:45 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104673 "If I choose to live abroad for a while, I am not allowed to come back." : This is abominable to true citizenship, which is a fundamental check on the State. Citizenship should not be offered to those born under self-declared annexed rule but mandatorily acknowledged by a democratic State; let residents refuse it if they wish. "The archaeologist is busy analyzing stones. "In the rubble of legends" Citizenship is not of the past but present. Stories should not define citizenship; existence should, must. All other routes lead to disaster. “If I choose to live abroad for a while, I am not allowed to come back.” : This is abominable to true citizenship, which is a fundamental check on the State. Citizenship should not be offered to those born under self-declared annexed rule but mandatorily acknowledged by a democratic State; let residents refuse it if they wish.

“The archaeologist is busy analyzing stones.

“In the rubble of legends”

Citizenship is not of the past but present. Stories should not define citizenship; existence should, must. All other routes lead to disaster.

]]> By: John http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104607 John Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:42:26 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104607 This article is pretty offensive. He can get citizenship if he chooses to as all residents in Jerusalem can. He has chosen not to because he probably doesn't want to accept Israel. Typical they want citizenship forced on them so they complain about yet another thing. Also residents can and do vote in municipal elections this is just more propaganda This article is pretty offensive. He can get citizenship if he chooses to as all residents in Jerusalem can. He has chosen not to because he probably doesn’t want to accept Israel. Typical they want citizenship forced on them so they complain about yet another thing. Also residents can and do vote in municipal elections this is just more propaganda

]]> By: rsgengland http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104481 rsgengland Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:54:01 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104481 Citizenship was offered in both Jerusalem and the Golan directly after the areas were annexed to Israel. At the time this offer was rejected/ignored for political reasons. Over a period of time the offer has just disappeared, and does not really exist anymore. Citizenship was offered in both Jerusalem and the Golan directly after the areas were annexed to Israel.
At the time this offer was rejected/ignored for political reasons.
Over a period of time the offer has just disappeared, and does not really exist anymore.

]]> By: Aziz Abu Sarah http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104443 Aziz Abu Sarah Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:09:37 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104443 @Haifawi, Palestinians in East Jerusalem were never offered citizenship. It is an Israeli myth. The process to get such citizenship is ridiculous and often you need lawyers to get it done. However, I will leave it for now and promise to write something on the topic very soon. @Haifawi,
Palestinians in East Jerusalem were never offered citizenship. It is an Israeli myth. The process to get such citizenship is ridiculous and often you need lawyers to get it done. However, I will leave it for now and promise to write something on the topic very soon.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104428 Richard Witty Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:36:25 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104428 Thanks for the comments. Thanks for the comments.

]]> By: Ayla http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104385 Ayla Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:11:41 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104385 beautiful. Thank you Aziz. And Liel. Yesterday I considered calling my friend from East Jerusalem whose values I trust completely to offer to vote for her, which is different than going through Real Democracy and voting for a stranger (an initiative I also support). In the end, I felt too strongly about my candidate, but maybe in the next election, if I'm here, I'll make this choice. We'll see. Meanwhile, bravo. And thank you for this piece, Aziz. beautiful. Thank you Aziz. And Liel. Yesterday I considered calling my friend from East Jerusalem whose values I trust completely to offer to vote for her, which is different than going through Real Democracy and voting for a stranger (an initiative I also support). In the end, I felt too strongly about my candidate, but maybe in the next election, if I’m here, I’ll make this choice. We’ll see. Meanwhile, bravo. And thank you for this piece, Aziz.

]]> By: Haifawi http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104383 Haifawi Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:58:54 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104383 There's a process you can go through (with liberal amounts of time and money) to get Israeli citizenship. My friend recently did that. Also, after 1967, Israel offered citizenship to the annexed population but was rebuffed. Obviously the current regime is terrible, but context matters. There’s a process you can go through (with liberal amounts of time and money) to get Israeli citizenship. My friend recently did that. Also, after 1967, Israel offered citizenship to the annexed population but was rebuffed. Obviously the current regime is terrible, but context matters.

]]> By: metta2uall http://972mag.com/watching-elections-i-cannot-vote-in/64384/comment-page-1/#comment-104377 metta2uall Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:37:12 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=64384#comment-104377 Thanks for the article Aziz, it makes many good points and I really support your aspirations. What I think would make it even better is some analysis of the reasons why Israel behaves as it does, from the perspective of those in power. I think that by acknowledging these reasons, people like yourself will get more support from others who live in Israel but currently oppose your position since they think you don't understand their concerns. I'm thinking mainly about fear and lack of trust. Thanks for the article Aziz, it makes many good points and I really support your aspirations. What I think would make it even better is some analysis of the reasons why Israel behaves as it does, from the perspective of those in power. I think that by acknowledging these reasons, people like yourself will get more support from others who live in Israel but currently oppose your position since they think you don’t understand their concerns. I’m thinking mainly about fear and lack of trust.

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