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WATCH: Soldiers open fire on stone-throwers in Qalandia, three killed

Three Palestinians, including one man released in the Shalit prisoner exchange, were shot to death by IDF forces this morning in Qalandia refugee camp, near Ramallah. UPDATE: According to the latest reports, the former prisoner, Yusuf Khatib, was the target of the IDF arrest operation, and was not among those who died. 

The incident began when plainclothes soldiers who entered the camp to carry out arrests were exposed by local residents. According to reports in the Israeli media, after being attacked with stones and rocks, the soldiers used live ammunition to rescue themselves out of the refugee camp. Rubin al-Abed, 32, Yunis Jahjuh, 22, and Jihad Aslan, 20, died from the shooting. Palestinian sources are reporting at least another 15 wounded.

13 Palestinians have been killed this year from IDF fire in the West Bank.

UPDATE: The Palestinian Authority canceled the next scheduled negotiations meeting with Israel following the events in Qalandia.

Here are three clips from the events this morning. In the top video you can see a couple of armed vehicles attacked with stones. The shots are clearly heard in the bottom videos.

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    1. XYZ

      I hope you all note the irony that while the Palestinian Authority condemned “Israeli brutality”, the intelligence the SHABAK gets regarding terror suspects COMES from the Palestinian Authority as part of FATAH’s war against HAMAS in which they have Israel do their dirty work for them.

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      • sh

        And the only way intelligence agents know to arrest suspects is to send plain-clothed but amply armed soldiers into a refugee camp? I’ve another theory…

        Whatever, talks between Livni and Erekat due to take place in Jericho tomorrow. Abbas has cancelled, of course. And we will blame the Palestinians for everything

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      • Danny

        Some “intelligence”. Getting ambushed by 1500 stone-throwers and escaping by the skin of their teeth only after spraying bullets in every direction.

        If that’s what passes for intelligence in Israel, then you’ve got some serious problems – especially vis-a-vis Iran and Hezbollah.

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      • Tcherkessi

        I love irony, but surely it’s more ironic that Israel supported Hamas against Fatah in the first place?

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    2. Right, if the building of thousands of houses, shooting fisherman, bombing Gaza, (re)arrest men, women and children, is not enough to stop the “peace process”, then just shoot them.
      Einstein did not want to be the president of Israel, because it would mean he had to say things to the Jews that they really didn’t want to hear.
      It’s a long and winding road to fascism, but eventually you’ll get there.

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      • Vadim

        Usually a peace treaty is signed between two warring factions, with the stronger one imposing a treaty on the weaker or both parties agree on the terms.

        However, somehow when it comes to Israel this doesn’t apply. Israel must behave itself so that the losing weaker party will agree to negotiate. Israel has to make concessions, ignore the continuing brainwashing on PA TV, stop building houses, release murderers and so on. Then we have to cross fingers, hope and pray, that the honor of our neighbors will not get hurt, that maybe this time they will have enough sense to realize their best interests lie in ending the conflict.

        And of course there is Gaza. Which is at war with Israel and takes no part in the negotiations.

        And of course there are foreigners who have no clue whatsoever what’s going on here. But they have a firm opinion nonetheless. Turns out a program to build houses that was *approved years ago* is a good enough reason to stop negotiations. Alleged bombing of another entity (when the hell was that anyway?) is another reason to stop negotiating.

        And Einstein. And Fascism. No comment is complete with Fascism.

        Contrary to what you people may think, most Israelis crave for peace and normalization with our neighbors. Get it inside your head, and stop spreading this nonsense. Let us end this conflict.

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        • “We” are watching you “end the conflict”. And that’s precisely what’s bothering “us”.

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        • vadim, that’s all completely spurious pseudo-reasoning, as you know, because you deliberately use the premise, “Normally a peace treaty is signed between two warring factions,” which is your way of avoiding the actual fact, that normally a peace treaty is signed between two warring states, but the Palestinians can only fraudulently be identified with a state, viz the Palestinian Authority, which as you go on to point out, does not control Gaza, and indeed it does not even control the West Bank, because it is a fraudulent puppet entity comparable to the Bantustans of South Africa, which were not recognised as states by the UN because the fraudulence of South Africa in constructing them as dummy interlocutors was readily apparent, and the same is true of the Israeli construction of the PA. It is not a valid interlocutor in international law but a fraudulent dummy entity without legitimacy, never mind its patent lack of power, which results naturally enough from the fact that the people it purports to represent do not recognise it.

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          • Vadim

            You give me too much credit. I write what I write because this is what I wish to happen here – a normal state of affairs where two parties fight, then sit down and make peace. Instead of what’s going on here, where parties fight and then the losing side makes demands and doesn’t wish to make peace because of national pride. This is what happened with Egypt and Jordan until they had the sense to figure out what’s best for them.

            This is what’s going on with the PA. The PA is not some Israeli puppet and neither is the Hamas. Never mind that I think both organizations symbolize everything that is wrong with revolutionary \ freedom movements and that their mere existence is a stain of shame for humanity, never mind that you and most people here would find life under their rule unacceptable – they are our neighbours a some sort of settlement must be reached.

            Both Hamas and the PA could have ended the conflict had they wished it. There’s no reason that the same thing that has happened with Egypt and Jordan could not happen again.

            You take away any responsibility they might have and give it all to us, like they don’t have any interest in the matter. Like they have no power over their lives and they only await until the evil Israel will allow them to live properly. People should take responsibility for their actions and for those of their leaders. If the PA wishes peace, it better start acting like it.

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          • “The PA is not some Israeli puppet and neither is the Hamas…”

            On what basis do you say this? Maintenance of certain aspects of occupation has basically been subcontracted out to the PA; they collaborate with the Israeli authorities like crazy, which is one of the chief reasons why their stock is so low in Palestinian society. Hamas is no better, despite the electoral marketing campaign in which they sold themselves as so different. They know on which side their bread is buttered.

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          • The Trespasser

            >Maintenance of certain aspects of occupation has basically been subcontracted out to the PA;

            Which does not mean that Israel controls it

            >they collaborate with the Israeli authorities like crazy

            Of course they do. If not for Israel, Hamas or Islamic Jihad would have had long overthrown Fatah/PA.

            >which is one of the chief reasons why their stock is so low in Palestinian society.

            Late Mr. Arafat left his successors a nearly totally bankrupt PA Ltd., after two intifadas and such.

            Of course their stock is low. Arafat promised freedom, but still there is none and situation is much worse than in was in early 1990′s

            Now, these fellas (theoretically) have to fulfil his promises, but they can not and therefore, in modern “democratic” terms, have to leave the house. Yeah. Right. Quit a nice government job and go sell falafel.

            >Hamas is no better, despite the electoral marketing campaign in which they sold themselves as so different.

            Hamas is no better due to the very same reason why Bashir Al Assad is not better, or Muslim Borthers are not better or Egyptian army is not better or even brave anti-Assad freedom fighters are not better. I shall not name the reason on these promises, however.

            Which is rather funny, thinking of that. There still are taboos in “progressive” societies in the 21st century. Mammals. ROFL.

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          • When I say ‘al-Aqsa’ I really mean the Dome of the Rock as well, or primarily. The D of the R is really the more conspicuous eyesore, from an ‘authentically Jewish’ point of view. There are some well-known alternative panoramas of the city produced by the so-called Temple Mount Faithful showing the imagined Jewish Temple, based on dubious Talmudic descriptions, which architecturally would be much more of an eyesore, occupying the central, most prominent position currently occupied by the D of the R. But the religious implications of actually rebuilding it would be appalling. The stench of slaughtered bullocks would make the whole Old City uninhabitable. I have considered the possibility of neutralising the D of the R by making it into a museum and a world heritage site, but it seems to me that from an ‘authentically Jewish’ point of view it’s got to go. It just isn’t Jewish at all, so a flat and empty plaza would be the obvious non-solution.

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          • Tzutzik

            ROWAN:
            “vadim, that’s all completely spurious pseudo-reasoning…”

            ROWAN:
            ” but the Palestinians can only fraudulently be identified with a state, viz the Palestinian Authority”

            So what are you saying here Rowan? That Israel has no one to negotiate with??

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          • Negotiations are just charades. The purpose of them is to play for time while facts on the ground progress towards completion. But we must not underestimate what ‘completion’ will entail: the complete judaisation of Jerusalem by itself contains a whole series of sub-stages. The gradual elimination of the legal right for Musims to pray at al-Aqsa on Fridays, or at any other time, and complementary to that, a campaign to present al-Aqsa as “no longer relevant to Palestinian needs.” Eventually, the banning of the al-Aqsa waqf. Then a campaign to present al-Aqsa as disused, neglected, not maintained, and becoming structurally dangerous. Finally demolition. I say finally, because at that point the wondrous mechanism of Jewish thought will stall, with utter deadlock between the characters who want to build the Third Temple there, and those who say, “sacrificing bullocks is bollocks.”

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          • Tzutzik

            “Negotiations are just charades …”

            I take it then that you are against negotiations Rowan? Jihad it is then, right?

            “judaisation of Jerusalem …”

            You mean like the Arabisation of Jerusalem that took place between 1948 and 1967?

            “Then a campaign to present al-Aqsa as disused, neglected, not maintained, and becoming structurally dangerous. Finally demolition.”

            You got inside information to this effect?

            “because at that point the wondrous mechanism of Jewish thought will stall”

            Jewish thought? There you go again Rowan … would you say that Jewish thought is as monolithic as say Muslim thought? Or do only Jews think alike? What next? We all look alike? We all smell alike? We all act alike? And you call us racists? Go look in the mirror Rowan !!!

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          • No, Tzutzik, as practically everyone knows, Jewish thought is divided into two violently antagonistic extremes, with a few limp and ineffective compromises lying around in between. One extreme imagines that classical, rabbinical Judaism is the supra-historical embodiment of an eternal truth, and the other strives to be ‘modern’ more or less in accordance with Euro-American standards of ‘modernity’. The endless tug of war between these two extremes creates a foreground effect of lively ‘democratic debate’ which regularly leads to such epochal non-events as the projected empty plaza, about which there can then be arguments over nomenclature: shall we call it ‘Har ha-Beit’ or something more neutral?

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          • Tzutzik

            Everyone knows Rowan? You know nothing! The only thing you know is BS.

            Oh and as I said above, the next time, before you accuse Israel and Israelis of racism, look in the mirror. You will see a racist staring back at you!

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        • Laurent Szyster

          +1

          Right on Vadim !

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    3. I don’t think I understand the expression “plainclothes soldiers who entered the camp to carry out arrests.” Since when did undercover squads of soldiers out of uniform have the legal right to make arrests in Palestinian refugee camps?

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      • Tzutzik

        “Since when did undercover squads of soldiers out of uniform have the legal right to make arrests in Palestinian refugee camps?”

        You mean they don’t? So Israel is obliged to allow Palestinian terrorists to murder Israeli civilisns, escape to the refugee camps and Israel must then leave them alone?

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    4. I looked it up. It occupies an area of about 12 sq km (ie 3.3 by 3.3 km) and has a population of 10 to 15,000, depending on whom you believe, basically composed of families from 48 Palestinian villages and five towns occupied by Israel in 1948. Under the terms of the Oslo agreement, Qalandia came under full Israeli administrative and military control in Area C. Since 1995, it has been administered by a camp committee whose members are appointed by the Palestinian Authority. Between 2005 and 2006, Israel walled the area in. In other words, it’s a prison camp.

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    5. David T.

      The use of civilian clothing by troops to conceal their military character is a war crime.

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    6. Laurent Szyster

      Yusuf Khatib was freed in the “Shalit deal”, returned to his home and started again to organize his struggle.

      Which means plan attacks against Israeli civilians.

      His arrest in Qalandia was met by an angry mob, three died.

      Why so sorry ?

      That mob could have dragged soldiers bodies through Qalandia, Yusuf Khatib could have succeeded and bombed some pizzeria, there could have been more than three losses of life and the peace process would have had to be put on hold.

      That would have been better ?

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      • Your comment is spot on as usual. What if the mob went to Tel Aviv, ordered 1500 pizza’s and left without paying?
        It’s not that we like shooting them, but what other options are there.

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    7. Gideon (not Levy)

      BB’s target was to DERAIL the negotiations. Now the Q is: Will the “Investigation” be permitted to ask Netanyahu and Yaalon some questions? (such as why did they send the “IDF” to Qalandia at this very juncture).

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    8. Somehow, “plain clothes” in a vehicle like that in an area like that sounds cartoonish. I don’t know what conditions Kahtib agreed for release, but information of his “organizing” must have come from informants, who may exaggerate for price value. I think this episode reflects the gap between security forces and the diplomatic side; I doubt the two jointly agreed to the move. It is just a guess, but the security apparatus has taken on a life of its own. Note the children throwing stones, who have no idea what is really about to happen.

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      • The Trespasser

        These weren’t mere “plain cloths” but rather mistaravim.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao8wkxSwOvs

        No one would send them to a mission without a sufficient reason.

        Information is always cross-checked, so no single informant can spread misinformation.

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        • Yes, your right. The US would never have gone into Iraq unless absolutely certain there were WMD. People in security organizations are incapable of error.

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          • The Trespasser

            1 – WDM was not found there, but that does not mean that there was no such.

            2 – Also, it is possible that alleged WMD was casus belli.

            3 – People in security organizations have EXTREMELY low error rate.

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          • JG

            Brain on Trespasser- was neither searched nor found

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          • The Trespasser

            Ecce leftist.

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    9. jjj

      When an angry mob brutally attacks, people get hurt. Either the mob succeeds in its attempt to lynch the soldiers, or some of the mob while the soldiers escape.

      @Engelbert Luitsz:
      Palestinians have long passed the fascist point, even before 1940. To them, Israel itself should perish, along with its Jewish inhabitants. Blaming Israel on being fascist is like blaming Britain in WW2 for making racist remarks against the Germans.
      In other words, ludicrous.

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      • People react violently to the arrival of disguised and armed occupation soldiers in their neighbourhood, and this makes them brutal? As a pacifist I’d be happy to class all violence as brutal, but I’m only too aware that this view isn’t exactly shared by people who try to portray armed occupying soldiers as innocent lambs and civilians who don’t take kindly to their presence as vicious killers. If a group of Palestinians were to disguise themselves as Israelis and enter an Israeli neighbourhood with the intention of capturing someone involved in the deaths of Palestinian civilians, and then shot their way out when they got pelted with stones, the story would no doubt be about the three brave civilians who died at the hands of brutal terrorists whilst defending themselves only with stones…

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        • Vadim

          Only thing is – they would probably not have been pelted with stones. They would not be afraid to be lynched by a mob.

          I think most Israelis would call the police. Definitely not lynch them.

          What would you do, Vicky? What would you tell your children to do in this case?

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        • Shmuel

          “If a group of Palestinians were to disguise themselves as Israelis and enter an Israeli neighbourhood with the intention of …”

          This is not a hypothetical case Vicky. It happened thousands of times when Palestinians entered Israeli neighbourhoods and murdered Israeli civilians. Here is a site which lists various cases of terrorist acts that you try to present only as hypotheticals.

          http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

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        • Shmuel

          … In fact, the reason why Israeli police entered the Palestinian area, was to arrest would be terrorists who wanted to enter Israeli neighbourhoods and kill more Israelis. Prevention is better than cure, Vicky. You don’t have to like it, but Israel will do everything necessary to protect it’s own civilians from YOUR terrorists.

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          • Shmuel,

            Firstly, I don’t own any terrorists. I’m all out of stock. Secondly, in the hypothetical I gave, I spoke of Palestinians seeking to arrest killers of Palestinian civilians who have gone unpunished for their murders – and there isn’t any shortage of those. That would be the rough equivalent here.

            Also, you take it absolutely for granted that the army only acts in preventative ways. I don’t. I’ve seen that army in action too often to believe that and I’ve had too many friends in jail for nothing.

            Vadim,

            People in Qalandia refugee camp have no reason to be fond of the army, and if the hypothetical Israelis you speak of had been living in similar conditions under military rule for all these years, some of them surely wouldn’t hesitate to attempt to kill anyone who entered their neighbourhood armed and wearing the uniform of that regime either. Calling the police isn’t exactly an option for Qalandia residents, considering that the army IS the police. Consequently they have no easy recourse to justice or self-protection, certainly not self-defence as Israelis apply the term to themselves.

            As for what I would do and think if I were an Israeli, I honestly don’t know, because then I would have had a completely different upbringing. I like to hope that I would be much the same as I am now, and see that the real danger for my children lies in creating what is effectively a ghetto (Qalandia camp does merit that term) where the army’s actions are the highest law. I also hope that I wouldn’t accept the army’s behaviour unquestioningly as necessary and justified. This is also a risky thing to do, especially given the fact that in the hypothetical situation you give, my children would presumably be expected to serve in it one day. So for their safety I would have to question, and I would teach them to ask questions too. It would be a better world if mothers weren’t prepared to invest so much blind trust in men with guns and instead got talking to women on the other side of the wall. That is what I hope I’d do, and I’d let my children see me do it. After all, I encourage the teenagers I work with now to take risks for the sake of doing the right thing and I take a few risks myself. Hopefully that wouldn’t change if my personal circumstances were different.

            And when commenting online about current events, I would use my own name and not employ a bunch of threadbare sock-puppets, which appears to have been happening in some of these comment threads for several months. (I don’t mean you, by the way.) For courtesy’s sake, I won’t out the person, but I hope she/he will take this as an invitation to resolve the issue, as it’s tiresome and it makes it hard to have a discussion in good faith.

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          • Shmuel

            Vicky

            I did not miss your point but you missed mine.

            My point was that YOUR Palestinian terrorists don’t seem to need excuses to raid Israeli neighborhoods to kill Israeli civilians. They do it whenever they CAN. Which brings us to the point of the Israeli raid on Qalandia. It’s purpose was to arrest terrorists who planned to attack Israeli neighborhoods again. You don’t like that? That’s your bad luck Vicky. Don’t expect Israel to abide by rules that the Palestinians refuse to abide by.

            Since Palestinians don’t arrest Palestinian terrorists who murder or plan to murder Israelis, Israel has to do it. You want to be scandalised by that? Be my guest Vicky. Me, I am scandalised by the fact that instead of arresting Palestinian murderers, the Palestinians blackmail Israel into releasing them and they idolise and name streets after them.

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          • There are a fair few squares and streets in Israel named after killers and war criminals who are idolised as heroes. This is my fundamental point – it’s extremely easy to justify violence from within your own society and even to see it as heroic, whilst condemning other people’s. It all starts to look so different when you’re on the receiving end. I don’t like the glorification of killing, but the difference is that I find the gun-worship on Yom Ha’Atzmaut equally sickening (it’s hard to forget the first time I saw tanks as an accessory at a barbecue full of families), along with Rachel Corrie-themed pancake nights at Soldiers’ House and everything else that comes with being a heavily militaristic society.

            The army is only able to ‘raid’ Palestinian communities because it is in power. It doesn’t just administer the law, it is the law. There is no Israeli community living in a comparative situation under Palestinian military rule that strips them of all their basic civil rights (including right to a trial or even to hear the charges that have been brought against them). Before there ever were any suicide bombings, my boss’s father (a school principal) was being arrested for organising clandestine lessons for children, because education was effectively banned in the OPT during the First Intifada – even kindergartens were closed by army order. Lessons in the sitting room became a risky business; teenagers who were caught with textbooks in their bag were getting beaten up in the street, just like that. A lot of Israelis are completely divorced from these realities and most have never even heard of them, even though this is exactly the sort of climate that hothouses paramilitary activity. Imposing decades-long military rule on people and then taking the army’s word for its behaviour on blind faith (presumably you would have just taken it for granted that my boss’s father was involved in some kind of lethal activity during the days of his arrest – after all, the army took him, so he MUST be a terrorist) isn’t compatible with security and it only stores up violence for the long run. This is especially true of a place like Qalandia. It isn’t fun in there.

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          • Shmuel

            You are critical of Israel because it is militaristic? Boo hoo, Vicky, guess what? Everyone else in this neighbourhood is militaristic so if Israel would not be militaristic, there would be no Israel. But of course that would not be an issue for you, Vicky, I do understand that. On the other hand, please understand that in much the same way that you could not care less about our worries and concerns, we feel the same way about yours.

            As for YOUR poor Palestinians who you say, suffer under Israeli occupation, there is a simple solution to that. The occupation needs to end, we all agree. But in order for it to end, the Palestinians must unequivocally accept Israel’s existence as the nation state of the Jewish people. No ifs, no buts, no maybe’s and above all no BS demands like the “Right of Return”. Oh and one more thing, they need to accept an Israel with more secure borders than the 1949 armistice lines which you would falsely call the 1967 borders (because they were NEVER borders) and which Aba Evan called the would be Aushwitz borders.

            Simple isn’t it? But since the Palestinians don’t agree, the occupation continues, their terrorism or further attempts of it also continue and of course Israel unfortunately has to respond to it as it did in Qalandia. End of story.

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        • jjj

          Point taken.
          But (there’s always a but), can you trust the good will of the Qalandia residents to turn in a terrorist, which participated in planning, perpetrating or actually doing a terrorist activity?
          Therefore, the soldiers intended to be quick in an out, as less as much contact with the good Qalandia residents.
          However, things turned out differently.
          But something tells me that even if the soldiers came with flowers in their guns, the good Qalandia people would have responded similarly.
          It has to be the uniform, I guess…..

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    10. twyne

      have you ever been in a vehicle that was stoned? i have. large stones are lethal weapons. fortunately the vehicle i was traveling in had double layer bullet proof glass. i am a civilian and the sound of those rocks hitting the glass was like gun fire. make no mistake, the intention of the people throwing those rocks is to kill! if they had guns then they would use them. i praise the IDF for continuously showing so much restraint when faced with people whose intention it is to kill them.

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