The hilttop youth, those wacky young settlers, have been in the news quite a bit of late – the number of price tag actions is on a constant rise. Yet, we rarely get to see who these “kids” really are.
Last week, Channel 2 gave us a rare glimpse into the minds of some of the hilltop youth leaders. I just couldn’t miss the opportunity to bring it to you.
This translation goes out to my homies in AIPAC, and to the national religious rabbis of the world. Without you, these racists would not be possible.
January 3, 2012
11:41 am
“I’d really like to see a study comparing Zionist extremism in American youth with the Israeli version.”
the american equivalent to the this violent zionist extremist settlers can be seen in a movie called american history x starring edward norton or the movie “jesus camp”. as far as i know there is no jewish equivalent of these kids in american society. which is not saying they do not exist, i am just not aware of them. it sort of makes sense they would move to israel tho, they would be toast here for our society doesn’t allow children like this to roam free breaking the law. i find it a little odd it gets all this press now that they attacked a military base as if they haven’t been attacking palestinians for a long long time.
January 3, 2012
11:42 am
Micah – I’m not sure you’re fully grasping the sense of the term “endemic.” But your question is the same one I’m asking – WHICH American Jewish communities?
January 3, 2012
12:12 pm
@Mitchell: I have no proof that the pricetag terrorists are the children of American olim, only anecdotal evidence. So I suppose my statement should have been better qualified that it’s merely my rough understanding and not a settled fact. But I can tell you that within my own family, I have cousins in Israel who are committed Zionists and were settlers in the Sinai in the 70s, but happily accepted compensation to abandon their homes and move back to Israel proper in Israel’s pursuit of peace with Egypt and I am quite sure are horrified by pricetag terrorism. And I have cousins in Brooklyn and Queens who I am quite sure are sympathetic to the pricetaggers (one of my cousins wore a “Meir Kahane was right” t-shirt on the dance floor at his son’s wedding a few years ago–and not as part of any shtick).
@Aristeides: The first sentence of my previous comment (about endemic racism) was a quote of someone else’s comment to which I was responding. I didn’t realize HTML italics wouldn’t show up in the comments.
January 3, 2012
2:40 pm
Micah – I understand that you were quoting someone one. But you seemed to be criticizing the comment as “generalizations and false dichotomies.”
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I think the claim that racism is endemic in American Jewish communities is a true one. That is, there are a number of locations with a high level of racism. A wedding where someone could wear a Kahane t-shirt and not be assaulted would seem to suggest the presence of a localized racist community. That’s what it means, not “universal” or “widespread.”
January 3, 2012
4:15 pm
This is all the result of Israel State’s terrorism. Way to go Israel; keep bringing jews or not from all over the world and residing them on illegally confiscated Palestinian land. Oh, and keep armoring them from head to toe. and then act surprised of the results of your actions. Why are you making such a big deal about displacing Jordanian women and children from their homes to take them for yourselves, you’ve already done that in Palestine 62 years ago! so save the crocodile tears. please.
January 3, 2012
6:01 pm
the mossad / m.i.6 is in the house. more victims of zionism. once more zionist end timer backed israel shows itself to be hitlers greatest creation. even the children of the children of his victims dont mind see bad things happen just as along as they get someone else to call “j*w”:(
please support the planetary patriot the superhero that will see both israel and palestine set free forever. and all end timers shut down for good. as their rapture is cancelled. the planetary patriot is here!
January 3, 2012
11:48 pm
you know what we’re all missing, here? That girl in the freeze frame actually espoused the deepest wisdom when she said, in reference to herself and the IDF (paraphrasing–cannot watch again…): what do you think will happen when you come and remove people from their homes? They’re going to hate you.
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hello…
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We should quote her, directly, as Hilltop Girl, in a campaign for Palestinian Justice and Resolution.
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Seriously. Please–someone in the thick of things: do it!
January 4, 2012
12:06 am
i couldnt help myself. just reposted this on facebook with the following caption: “this most extreme Israeli settler, speaking of the Hilltop Youth violence against the IDF, is actually espousing deep wisdom when she says, “When you take people from their homes, with an administrative warrant–without any option to face it legally–why should’t someone hate you?”" (minute 5:22) Could it be that the most cultish haters among us–the ones from whom the vast majority disassociate– are holding up the mirror we all need?
January 4, 2012
5:08 am
Burn it? I reccommend praying in it instead. You’d be considered just as incendiary (pun intended)
January 4, 2012
8:57 am
Ayla: Israel destroys homes of Jews who just want to live in peace and have a legal (under San Remo declaration) & religious (Torah) entitlement to live anywhere in Judea & Sameria.
In contrast it only destroys homes of Palestinians who have committed terrorist atrocities and want to destroy Israel.
Even attempts to move East Jerusalemite Arabs from illegal buildings on an important 3000 year old historic site in Jerusalem to brand new housing a few hundred meters away is being blocked.
The problem with your mirror is that it reflects good as evil and evil as good.
January 4, 2012
9:46 am
@Andrew–whoa. How many levels of disturbing and ignorant is your comment? I would try to educate you (from my own places of learning), but since you’re already reading on 972, and given the nature of your comment, I’m pretty darn sure that’s a waste of my energy.
January 4, 2012
11:46 am
Rabbi Hanan Porat and Rabbi Menachem Fruman have come out with strong statements against the violence. These are big shots in the settler world. We can make a distinction between the right and the far-right, can we not?
January 4, 2012
6:14 pm
Frankly, G-Brown, I need your help, and Mitchell Cohen’s help, to make a distinction between the Right and the Far Right in the settler world.
I’m afraid it’s more a distinction between the Far Right and the Extreme Far Right.
I’m a French guy, and I have to tell you this: our Far Right party, Le Front National, would be Centre Right in Israel, and I’m not kidding.
The left flank of Kadima, our French Far Right.
January 4, 2012
9:03 pm
Henry- My Rosh Yeshiva, Rabbi Yosef Blau (Yeshiva University) commented on JPost:
“In many ways the criticized actions flow directly from what these adolescents have been taught. The roots of their behavior can be found in a number of ideas, some taught in a more widespread fashion than others, promulgated by broad sections of the dati leumi (Religious Zionist) world.
Thus even those who do not support revenge or violence may actually contribute to it.In many ways the criticized actions flow directly from what these adolescents have been taught. The roots of their behavior can be found in a number of ideas, some taught in a more widespread fashion than others, promulgated by broad sections of the dati leumi (Religious Zionist) world.
Thus even those who do not support revenge or violence may actually contribute to it.”
I’m starting to get the feeling that while there are differences in what the extreme right do, there isn’t much of an ideological difference.
We also need to remember where all this funding comes from…
January 5, 2012
1:24 am
Could you possibly upload the version with the subtitles to YouTube, so that we can embed it on our various blogs etc? We can’t (as far as I know) do that with your Subber (subtitled) version. Thanks.
January 5, 2012
4:33 am
@Henry, my gut feeling is (and I say gut feeling, as I have no more proof about what I am about to say, than you do about these “price tag” thugs being born to American Olim) the youths carrying out the heinous “price tag” attacks are not only estranged from mainstream Israeli society, but from their own families and communities as well. Most probably, they are school drop-outs with too much time on their hands and testosterone to go with it. My other guess is that they probably don’t speak a word of English. BTW, the one “price tagger” they caught so far (the one responsible for spraying graffiti on the home of one of Peace Now’s leaders) wasn’t even a settler, but resided in Mevessaret Zion (a suburb outside of Jerusalem and within the green line). Regarding your ? of “right” versus “far-right”, I say it is an exercise in futility because the overwhelming majority of people on this site would judge me by my address anyway, so what is the point?
January 5, 2012
6:23 am
To Mitchell Cohen,
Kach was born in America and imported to here .
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” I say it is an exercise in futility because the overwhelming majority of people on this site would judge me by my address anyway, so what is the point? ”
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I am not judging you on your address Mitchell, I have family members who are ” settlers ” and in my sons IAF unit there are ” settlers ” .
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All around me I hear talk of civil war and to be honest that scares me more than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does .
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So my question to you is , how do we stop this crazyness before one of our sons is shot to death or vice versa ?
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these fanatics are already responsable for the assassination of Rabin and the murder of Emil Grunzweig , not taking into consideration the many many Palestinians or Israeli Arabs they have cold bloodly killed thru the years :
eg Eden Natan-Zada .
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they are from your ” communities ” Mitchell not from ours , control them before all hell breaks loose , because the last thing we need is a civil war .
January 5, 2012
6:44 am
@Kibbutznik,
“Kach was born in America and imported to here.” [End of Quote]
Which proves NOTHING as far as the “price tag” thugs being born to American Olim.
“I am not judging you on your address Mitchell, I have family members who are ” settlers ” and in my sons IAF unit there are ” settlers ” .” [End of Quote]
Well, that’s a breath of fresh air.
“All around me I hear talk of civil war and to be honest that scares me more than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does .” [End of Quote]
Maybe we have something in common.
“So my question to you is , how do we stop this crazyness before one of our sons is shot to death or vice versa ?”[End of Quote]
I am all for bringing the “price taggers” to justice, no less than you are.
“these fanatics are already responsable for the assassination of Rabin and the murder of Emil Grunzweig , not taking into consideration the many many Palestinians or Israeli Arabs they have cold bloodly killed thru the years :
eg Eden Natan-Zada .
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they are from your ” communities ” Mitchell not from ours , control them before all hell breaks loose , because the last thing we need is a civil war .” [End of Quote]
1) Yigal Amir was from Hertzila Petuach, not from Kfar Tapuach or Itamar.
2) So I am to blame for all the extremists. I am a simple person trying to make ends meet and support my family (like most people in Israel). I didn’t realize I had so much authority and control over people I have never even met.
January 5, 2012
7:20 am
” Yigal Amir was from Hertzila Petuach, not from Kfar Tapuach or Itamar. ”
Mitchell, it doesnt matter where he was from , its his ideolagy that is fucked up , same as I said to you ” I am not judging you on your address Mitchell ” .
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” So I am to blame for all the extremists. I am a simple person trying to make ends meet and support my family (like most people in Israel). I didn’t realize I had so much authority and control over people I have never even met.”
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me to
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so whats the answer to ??? :
” So my question to you is , how do we stop this crazyness before one of our sons is shot to death or vice versa ?”
January 5, 2012
7:35 am
Kibbutznik, maybe we should both look into this:
http://gesher.co.il/
Signing off for now, see you later on after I break the fast (of Tevet). My head is rumbling right now.
January 5, 2012
8:07 am
our kibbutz tried Gesher in the past Mitchell , didnt work
its a sad state of affairs but your religion and our lack of it just dont mix well
January 5, 2012
9:46 am
Kibbutnik,
Maybe it is time to try again. Especially, if you TRULY are worried about a civil war. I mean if you believe that we should keep on talking with our neighbors until we have peace, even if we keep falling two steps back for every step forward, then how much more so should we be talking with each other.
When you say it “didn’t work”, what do you mean? Surely you didn’t expect the religious to adopt your outlook/way of life, nor for your kibbutz to adopt the religious outlook/way of like. Wasn’t it just worth it just to talk with others not like you and break even just one stereotype about each other and put faces on each other?
You asked me, “how do we stop this crazyness before one of our sons is shot to death or vice versa”. To that I answer, I don’t know because I am not Shabak. But, one thing I do know, as long as we refuse to dialogue, then civil war is that much closer. As long as we dialogue, it is that much further. There is no overnight solution, but avoiding all contact with one another is certainly NOT a solution.
January 5, 2012
10:44 am
Mitchel , what does Shabak have to do with anything ?
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” but avoiding all contact with one another is certainly NOT a solution. ”
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but we dont avoid all contact Mitchel that is impossible , I have religious right wing in my close family and one of my dearest friends is dati l’gamri .
Every thing is hunky dory until politics rears its ugly head.
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” Wasn’t it just worth it just to talk with others not like you and break even just one stereotype about each other and put faces on each other? ”
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we do that every Pesach , and its ok , as long as politics stay under the table
January 5, 2012
10:57 am
Kibbutznik,
I thought Shabak concentrates mainly on monitoring extremists (Jewish or otherwise) and intercepting any extremist activities. I don’t have anymore info then they do.
I supposed once a year on Pesach is better than nothing.
If you have a son in the IAF, then you have probably been around a bit longer than I (unless you married very young
), so I ask you- what is YOUR solution?
January 5, 2012
10:58 pm
Mitchell , if these were our kids we would be able to control them without Shabak , they listen to their Rabbis , your community needs to do something , thats my solution .
My son is Keva he is 23 and no I am not young and we all mix more than once a year Mitchell.
January 6, 2012
12:22 am
Kibbutznik,
The Chief Rabbi of my community has already STRONGLY condemned the “price tag” attacks. Dahlia even posted in a comment on one of the threads an column in Ha’aretz by him. Also, the overwhelming majority of Jewish leaders (Rabbis or otherwise) living over the green line have as well. Those “price tag” thugs are not MY kids, nor does every religious Jew (child or adult) listen to their Rabbi (in an ideal world they would, but this is not an ideal world I am sorry to say). Perhaps, you have another solution? Or maybe Shabak exists for a reason after all.
January 6, 2012
12:51 am
Okay Mitchell lets leave it up to Shabak after all they did such a great job in protecting Rabin .
Best wishes and hope our greatest fear never comes to pass, I’m so reassured now .
January 6, 2012
2:18 am
Never said I had all the answers….
January 7, 2012
1:01 am
Not to be off subject, but the main girl is gorgeous. Anyone want to pass my number off to her?
January 8, 2012
2:28 pm
Violence begets violence, plain and simple.