15 comments for ”Upheaval! Knesset neo-fascists taking a beating“

    
  1. Larry, who would have known it? The left have friends in the right.

    I’m glad that we can find some common ground. Really, really, really glad.

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  3. Larry Derfener,
    what is exactly the difference between the positions of Yisrael Beitenu and the ones that you expressed in your recent article “Response to Joseph Dana”?
    Peraphs you write things in a more polite way than them. And that’s the reason why you have the impression to be more “open” and “enlighted” than them

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  5. Dafi- are you seriously asking what the difference between Larry Derfener and Yisrael Beitenu are? If you can’t see worlds of difference in their positions, can’t see that far more than stylistic differences of politeness separate them- then I think you’ve simplified the world to a completely meaningless black-and-white constants.

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  7. EYAL,
    read the content of “Response to Joseph Dana” and you will see that it is the other face of the same medal.
    Derfner is mutatis mutandis like Barak: personally I prefer much more Lieberman, at least he speaks clearly

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  9. Larry Derfner,
    let me quote just one passage, a passage that Lieberman would subscribe without any problem:
    “I’m against the right of return…on moral grounds. It’s not just that the Palestinians started the 1947-48 war, it’s that they, too, carried out expulsions in that war,….If there had been a small number of refugees, I personally would have had no objection to letting them come back – not as a matter of right, but rather because there would have been no good reason to refuse….But again, not as a matter of right, because I don’t think it is their right.”
    These is just one of the key issues. To speak about the right-wing Knesset of our days is so much more easy
    PS I can agree that only a symbolic number of refugees can be absorbed in Israel. But at least this has to be done as a matter of right and acknoledgement of the price that the paid and not as an act of charity

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  11. I guess the principle “they are all the same” is vert appealing in its simplicity.

    On the other hand, I have a somewhat similar feeling, if not toward Larry. To wit, as a wee lad I have heard an expression “the fascists of Zhabotynski” and indeed, Jabotinsky had some summer camps organized in Italy under friendly auspices of Mussolini. It is fair to say that he was a “moderate fascist”, not a Nazi but … And thus I believe that it causes Natanyahu no mental pain to support the beautiful NGO bill in the last edition: basically, if the state approves an NGO getting money from abroad, it can, if not, it cannot. Lukashenka would surely approve.

    Now, if the proponents of NGO bills really, really though that this dog will hunt, they are indeed quite stupid. But as a vehicle of vilification of the “Radical Left” this is very useful. The Right needs a constant war, and a never ending campaign on internal traitors offers plenty of exercise with little risk. Even Hamas can bite, but NGOs? As long as you let them live, they are toothless (strangely enough, while actual human right violations may give rise to unfriendly reports and an occasional diplomatic note, muzzling the NGOs that report on them seems to switch on some actual red lights).

    So it is a little like fishing when caught fish have to be returned back to the stream. But what a pleasure to have one on you hook!

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  13. Larry Derfner,
    I am sure that you got the point

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  15. Those of us Americans that are monitoring the protection of Arab and Muslim Israeli civil rights are relieved when we see that progressive liberal Israelis are ensuring that all Israeli institutions are performing their civic responsibilities in a fair and just manner. The November 25th issue of “The Economist” has an extensive article titled “Left vs, Right, A battle is underway for the control of Israel’s judicial system”. Much publicity have been focused on the UN and the Palestinian bid for an independent state and how efforts by UNESCO to accommodate the Palestinians and Fatah are progressing. The world is WATCHING. President Obama is carefully balancing commitments to Israel and treating the Palestinians fairly. Good reporting Larry.

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  17. The social-economic and political alignement of the main parts of Israeli society portend a ever worsening fascist control.

    The Israeli mainstream (Dichter, Barak) has sold out long ago in simialr fashion to other times in history.

    Don’t mean to depress anyone but the future will just see more of this.

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  19. “Smile, comrades; it seems like we’re actually winning one.”
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    I’m smiling. The JNF-Himnuta kind of retreated – at least temporarily – over the eviction of Silwan’s Sumarin family in order to hand their home over to Elad. With the help of Rabbi’s for Human Rights, we need to keep the pressure up there too.

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  21. The Knesset will just cut off the funds to the Supreme Court. Nothing the Supreme Court can do about that.

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  23. Your Attorney General is trying to save the Knesset. If he sees this bill as so obviously damaging to latent (non-textual) rights within Israel proper, he knows that the Supreme Court, hearing a case on the bill if later made law, might well use such a case to expand its direct constitution oversight over Knesset legislation (mostly, the Knesset avoids doing this, focusing on review of Administrative Decisions; future AD’s can try to walk around a given court decision as a “special case”). Direct nullification of such a law would enflame what I have advocated herein as an ongoing constitutional crisis. And, as I have pointed out too many times, the trump card of the Court is to declare the Declaration of Independence as a constitutional document.
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    So you quote your Attorney General as writing to Bibi (can’t spell his name):
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    “They deal a harsh blow to a long list of constitutional rights, including freedom of expression, freedom of association and the right to equality. “Instead of enabling open discussion in an efficient ‘marketplace of ideas,’ they try to suppress speech”
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    Equality of expression and association follows directly from your Declaration. How many in the Knesset are ready for the Court to declare that Israel is in fact not wholely without a constitution? How many in the Knesset are ready to abandon the courts in all of their business activities, and those of those who support them and their parties?
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    If you box your High Court into a corner, I believe you will get a proto-constitution. I think the High Court, if finally explicitly declaring your Declaration constitutional, should also then call for a constitutional convention, not created by the Court, but urged by the Court, to FINALLY fullfil the direct promise of the Declaration.
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    Israel is not as constitutionally helpless as the left makes out. But it will take a real push against the High Court, followed by courage on the Court, to move things ahead. Your Attorney General is trying to avoid that push.



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