Comments on: University accreditation for W. Bank college – a step towards one state

By: zayzafuna

zayzafuna — Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:54:43 +0000

As an illegitimate country, the zionist entity is incapable of having universities. Both the so called universities in Tel Aivv and Ariel are not universities and should not be accredited. SO normally, I am sympathethic to Dahlia as a fellow opponent of zionism, but in this case, her attending of university in Tel Aivv supports the occupation

By: dickerson3870

dickerson3870 — Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:32:17 +0000

RE: “Further, the new University will surely cater exclusively to Israeli citizens, as it does today. In other words, within the West Bank, it serves the minority and dismisses the majority – call that what you will.” ~ Dahlia Scheindlin

THE CHEERLEADER YELLS INTO HIS MEGAPHONE:
Give me an ‘A’!
Gimme a ‘P’!
Gimme another ‘A’!
Gimme a ‘R’!
Gimme a ‘T’!
Gimme a ‘H’!
Gimme a ‘E’!
Gimme a ‘I’!
Gimme a ‘D’!
Now, what have you got? [Hint: It's not "constructive engagement"!]

By: rose

rose — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:19:35 +0000

Thank you the other joe. You answered to both of them.
Btw Kolums: “Israeli is a proposed nationality for them on the basis of questionable narratives to which many people, including many Israelis subscribe”.
Do you mind if I change the subject?

By: the other joe

the other joe — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:28:57 +0000

@xyz, let us replace a few words:

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“The United Kingdom is a part of European Union and the British people are a part of Europe. European Unity is an objective which the British people shall work to achieve.”
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Do you need an explanation of what European Unity means? Is the notion of Arab Unity so different to European Unity?
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Palestinian Arabs do not consider themselves to be the same as other Arabs. Fact. End of discussion.

By: XYZ

XYZ — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:23:01 +0000

The Other Joe-
Please explain to me the first article in the Palestinian Constitution. I will once again repeat it:
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ARTICLE 1

Palestine is part of the large Arab World, and the Palestinian people are part of the Arab Nation. Arab Unity is an objective which the Palestinian People shall work to achieve.

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What is the “Arab Unity” they are speaking of?

By: the other joe

the other joe — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:18:01 +0000

Kolumn9, your point is moot – Palestinians certainly regard Jews with family roots in Mandate Palestine as Palestinians.
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It is reasonable to call ethnic groups what they want to be called. Whether or not Druze want to call themselves Palestinians is up to them, most Israeli Arabs consider themselves Palestinians.
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This whole effort to denigrate a whole nation of people and to refuse them even the name they give themselves is plain stupid. There are several million people who have long-established roots in a particular geographical area and who consider themselves to be a nation. They do not consider themselves to be Jordanian or Iraqi or Syrian or Lebanese. What is so hard about that to accept?

By: Kolumn9

Kolumn9 — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:50:05 +0000

Rose, they are Arabs. Palestinian is a proposed nationality for them on the basis of questionable narratives to which many people, including many Arabs subscribe. Arab is an ethnicity or an ethnolinguistic group. All the Arabs between the river and the sea are most certainly Arabs, but whether they are Palestinians or not is entirely questionable. If you were going to define the Arabs in Israel as Palestinians based on their pre-existing nationality as citizens of the Mandate of Palestine you would have to extend that to the Jews that were citizens of the Mandate of Palestine. I doubt that when you refer to Palestinians in capital letters you are actually doing that. Additionally you would have to define Arabs that don’t define themselves as Palestinians as such, for example most of the Israeli Arab Druze and a minority of the non-Druze Israeli Arabs do not define themselves as Palestinians, so you are trying to force that upon them. Let me point out again that you are demanding on absolutes that allow no alternative identities or narratives, not me. Additionally, even your absolute narrative makes little sense unless you go far beyond what you are trying to argue. So, let’s play a little game and see how many holes we can put in your narrative. How many Palestinians are there in Israel? On the basis of what do you define a person as a Palestinian? Can a Jew be a Palestinian according to your definition? How many Jews did you include in your number of Palestinians in the answer to the previous question? Are any Arabs allowed to define themselves as Israelis and not Palestinians? On the basis of what do you insist on defining them as Palestinians? etc. etc. etc.

By: rose

rose — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:48:03 +0000

XYZ,
I guess that you need a “Western example” in order to understand. If you are Italian and you are part of Europe you remain Italian, although you are part of Europe. There are few deeper aspects to consider when we speak about Palestinians but I hope that providing a very simple example you can understand. Palestinians are Palestinians, and they are part of the Arab world. This does not make them “less Palestinians”. They are Palestinians and they come from the land of Palestine. Ask to Herodotus (V cent before Christ) for further explanations.
Your “are you aware of” are so basic that I don’t think that you really expect an answer.
Once again, learn to respect the other if you want to be respected. Stop this game: call them PALESTINIANS

By: XYZ

XYZ — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:54:49 +0000

Rose, you are really trying to rewrite history and failing miserably. I will repeat what I posted above , quoting the first article of the Palestinian Constitution:
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ARTICLE 1

Palestine is part of the large Arab World, and the Palestinian people are part of the Arab Nation. Arab Unity is an objective which the Palestinian People shall work to achieve.

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Have you heard of the “Arab League” which all the Arab countries belong to?
Are you aware that most people know that the words “Arab” and “Muslim” are NOT synonomous and that there are Christian Arabs and Druze Arabs?
Are you aware that the official name of Egypt is “The Arab Republic of Egypt” and that the official name of Syria is “The Syrian Arab Republic”?
Are you aware that Nasser’s Egypt which merged for a while with Syria was called “The United Arab Republic”?
Are you aware of the movement called “Pan Arabism” of which Nasser was a major, but not the only proponent?
Are you aware that your claim that Israelis use the word “Arab” to mean “nomad” is preposterous?

By: rose

rose — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:28:02 +0000

Kolumn9
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by chance yesterday evening i was reading a little masterpiece by basem ra’ad. the title is “hidden histories”: if only you would read a book like that you would stop or think twice before to write the posts that you always publish
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the following passage of ra’ad is for sure not the heart of the book, but is really incredible to find out that there is another human being in the world that has had the same impression:
“One of the most common myths is that Palestinians are “Arabs” (“Arab” being often equated with Muslim), and so are to be associated with the seventh-century Muslim conquest. [...] it has thus become useful for Israelis to insist on calling Palestinians “Arabs” in order to diminish their native legitimacy, imply they have a nomadic nature (i.e. naturally landless), and to associate them with “Arab” countries elsewhere, where they can always go”. p. 35.
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They are PALESTINIANS – if you really want Palestinians-Arabs – as the EGYPTIANS are egyptians and the SYRIANS are syrians. Change game Kolumn, this is offensive and not very smart