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	<title>Comments on: Turning one&#8217;s back on the world and all its suffering</title>
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		<title>By: Tony Riley</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/turning-ones-back-on-the-world-and-all-its-suffering/55297/comment-page-1/#comment-75263</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you think that it&#039;s ok for a clothing store to call itself Hitler&#039;s? I assume that&#039;s because you work for a company named jew-hating-morons-R-us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you think that it&#8217;s ok for a clothing store to call itself Hitler&#8217;s? I assume that&#8217;s because you work for a company named jew-hating-morons-R-us</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 20:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But not quite talkative enough to publish my giving habits on the Internet in the belief that generosity to some people must buy me the right to be callous to others. Certainly not talkative enough to want to share precise figures with strangers in the hope of picking up a few brownie points.

Classy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But not quite talkative enough to publish my giving habits on the Internet in the belief that generosity to some people must buy me the right to be callous to others. Certainly not talkative enough to want to share precise figures with strangers in the hope of picking up a few brownie points.</p>
<p>Classy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluegrass Picker of Afula</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/turning-ones-back-on-the-world-and-all-its-suffering/55297/comment-page-1/#comment-75254</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluegrass Picker of Afula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Perhaps start looking for reasons to be kind instead of excuses not to be


I gave about $3000 cash  this year towards education of non-Jewish children.

You are all talk, Vicky. Your mouth runneth over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Perhaps start looking for reasons to be kind instead of excuses not to be</p>
<p>I gave about $3000 cash  this year towards education of non-Jewish children.</p>
<p>You are all talk, Vicky. Your mouth runneth over.</p>
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		<title>By: Dani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 16:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all these Christian organizations were really doing their jobs then why have all the Christians been kicked out of the Middle East (except for Israel)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all these Christian organizations were really doing their jobs then why have all the Christians been kicked out of the Middle East (except for Israel)?</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/turning-ones-back-on-the-world-and-all-its-suffering/55297/comment-page-1/#comment-74995</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever other people give or haven&#039;t given, it shouldn&#039;t be relevant. You don&#039;t base your generosity on what other people are doing, any more than you try to use suffering elsewhere in the world to take attention away from the suffering on your back doorstep. If everybody did that the world would be a much harsher and unkinder place than it is.

In Christianity there is a prohibition on telling everyone about your giving (Matthew 6:4). I take that rule seriously. Other people&#039;s need is not something anyone should ever use to justify themselves to others - it&#039;s not exactly great for the dignity of those who need help, no better than using a child with Down&#039;s Syndrome as a means to belittle the suffering of these Eritreans. So you&#039;ll never know what I&#039;ve given or not given, but nor do you need to. Perhaps start looking for reasons to be kind instead of excuses not to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever other people give or haven&#8217;t given, it shouldn&#8217;t be relevant. You don&#8217;t base your generosity on what other people are doing, any more than you try to use suffering elsewhere in the world to take attention away from the suffering on your back doorstep. If everybody did that the world would be a much harsher and unkinder place than it is.</p>
<p>In Christianity there is a prohibition on telling everyone about your giving (Matthew 6:4). I take that rule seriously. Other people&#8217;s need is not something anyone should ever use to justify themselves to others &#8211; it&#8217;s not exactly great for the dignity of those who need help, no better than using a child with Down&#8217;s Syndrome as a means to belittle the suffering of these Eritreans. So you&#8217;ll never know what I&#8217;ve given or not given, but nor do you need to. Perhaps start looking for reasons to be kind instead of excuses not to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluegrass Picker of Afula</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/turning-ones-back-on-the-world-and-all-its-suffering/55297/comment-page-1/#comment-74988</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluegrass Picker of Afula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 18:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did they even &quot;cry for asylum&quot; in Egypt?  No they did not, otherwise they would be waving their Egyptian adjudication-denial paperwork; their original intent was to grab free food and clothes in TelAviv.

One does not need to appeal to fairy tales to justify Hebrew sovereignty between theriver and the Sea; the physical evidence is dug up from time to time.


&gt; you aren’t interested in helping Rimsha Masih

ok; I will match every shekel YOU send.  Show us some evidence of transferring funds. Not rhetoric - evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did they even &#8220;cry for asylum&#8221; in Egypt?  No they did not, otherwise they would be waving their Egyptian adjudication-denial paperwork; their original intent was to grab free food and clothes in TelAviv.</p>
<p>One does not need to appeal to fairy tales to justify Hebrew sovereignty between theriver and the Sea; the physical evidence is dug up from time to time.</p>
<p>&gt; you aren’t interested in helping Rimsha Masih</p>
<p>ok; I will match every shekel YOU send.  Show us some evidence of transferring funds. Not rhetoric &#8211; evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 07:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Vicky: Read the fine print. My offer was for Sr Aziza’s use.&quot;

In other words, you aren&#039;t interested in helping Rimsha Masih. I knew that already, but it&#039;s good you&#039;ve made it explicit. And that makes you absolutely no different from people in Pakistan who tell nuns like Sr Aziza to get out of Karachi and go and work with victims of Hindu extremism in India - not because they actually care, but because they don&#039;t like criticism in their own backyard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vicky: Read the fine print. My offer was for Sr Aziza’s use.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, you aren&#8217;t interested in helping Rimsha Masih. I knew that already, but it&#8217;s good you&#8217;ve made it explicit. And that makes you absolutely no different from people in Pakistan who tell nuns like Sr Aziza to get out of Karachi and go and work with victims of Hindu extremism in India &#8211; not because they actually care, but because they don&#8217;t like criticism in their own backyard.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 05:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Picker.  Treaty signatories must provide points of entry for crys of asylum.  But once in the country, no matter how, the treaty applies, as the cry may be heard.  Thus, IDF soldiers can patrol the Egyptian side of the border and scare people away (which I think will be the response), but if one either hops the fence or crawls into the mandatory portal, his cry must be heard.

As to mandating the West Bank as your natural homeland, your only warrant is the Bible, sort of outdated unless you are religious, which you say you are not; and 2.4 million people already live there.  You have a UN deliniated State, so the issue of a &quot;Hebrew Republc&quot; is really not in play.

As &quot;to leaving for the first time,&quot; that is an issue upon cry for asylum, determined after the cry is heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Picker.  Treaty signatories must provide points of entry for crys of asylum.  But once in the country, no matter how, the treaty applies, as the cry may be heard.  Thus, IDF soldiers can patrol the Egyptian side of the border and scare people away (which I think will be the response), but if one either hops the fence or crawls into the mandatory portal, his cry must be heard.</p>
<p>As to mandating the West Bank as your natural homeland, your only warrant is the Bible, sort of outdated unless you are religious, which you say you are not; and 2.4 million people already live there.  You have a UN deliniated State, so the issue of a &#8220;Hebrew Republc&#8221; is really not in play.</p>
<p>As &#8220;to leaving for the first time,&#8221; that is an issue upon cry for asylum, determined after the cry is heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluegrass Picker of Afula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluegrass Picker of Afula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, a stretch of fence is a &quot;Port of Entry&quot;? 

Nice try Greg.... perhaps illiterate people will believe you.  

A &quot;Port of Entry&quot; is by definition, a place where ==legal== entry may be certified by the receiving country. 

You&#039;re the one who is mis-directing. Your side CONTINUOUSLY ignores the frequently mentioned legal fact that Eritreans are lawful asylum seekers ONLY when they&#039;ve crossed out of their country of origin ===for the first time===.

Look.... you can&#039;t have it both ways. You can&#039;t dream up international laws to state that repatriated Hebrews are NOT allowed to enter and build homes in the eastern zone of the Hebrew homeland - and then appeal to the same authority to state that Eritrean nationals must be allowed in.

Vicky:  Read the fine print. My offer was for Sr Aziza&#039;s use. If you think the named NGO is worthy of support... perhaps the United Church of Canada is standing by to help.

My money is still in its segregated account. Ok.... it&#039;s actually an envelope in my desk draw. But it&#039;s there. Ten Green Stamps with a nice picture of Ben Franklin.

The silence from Noam &amp; the 972 circle is rather deafening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, a stretch of fence is a &#8220;Port of Entry&#8221;? </p>
<p>Nice try Greg&#8230;. perhaps illiterate people will believe you.  </p>
<p>A &#8220;Port of Entry&#8221; is by definition, a place where ==legal== entry may be certified by the receiving country. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one who is mis-directing. Your side CONTINUOUSLY ignores the frequently mentioned legal fact that Eritreans are lawful asylum seekers ONLY when they&#8217;ve crossed out of their country of origin ===for the first time===.</p>
<p>Look&#8230;. you can&#8217;t have it both ways. You can&#8217;t dream up international laws to state that repatriated Hebrews are NOT allowed to enter and build homes in the eastern zone of the Hebrew homeland &#8211; and then appeal to the same authority to state that Eritrean nationals must be allowed in.</p>
<p>Vicky:  Read the fine print. My offer was for Sr Aziza&#8217;s use. If you think the named NGO is worthy of support&#8230; perhaps the United Church of Canada is standing by to help.</p>
<p>My money is still in its segregated account. Ok&#8230;. it&#8217;s actually an envelope in my desk draw. But it&#8217;s there. Ten Green Stamps with a nice picture of Ben Franklin.</p>
<p>The silence from Noam &amp; the 972 circle is rather deafening.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Pollock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Pollock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 21:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a pathetic attempt at misdirection, Picker.  You have just done your side a considerable disservice.

These lives aside, the rule of law is also at stake.  If Israel will not meet its obligation to provide asylum hearing upon presence of port of entry (and, once in Israel, you are in that port), there is little reason to believe it will uphold the law for its minorities or resident noncitizens.  Will the law limit the actualized power of the word &quot;infiltrators?&quot;  The Court delay allows the State to reverse itself or toss the trapped elsewhere.  It also keeps the trapped in the desert without resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pathetic attempt at misdirection, Picker.  You have just done your side a considerable disservice.</p>
<p>These lives aside, the rule of law is also at stake.  If Israel will not meet its obligation to provide asylum hearing upon presence of port of entry (and, once in Israel, you are in that port), there is little reason to believe it will uphold the law for its minorities or resident noncitizens.  Will the law limit the actualized power of the word &#8220;infiltrators?&#8221;  The Court delay allows the State to reverse itself or toss the trapped elsewhere.  It also keeps the trapped in the desert without resources.</p>
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