61 comments for ”Israeli and international radical left: Time for a divorce“

    
  1. Vickie-
    Of course it is all about religion. We see the antisemitic propaganda the official Palestinian Authority puts out. We know what’s in HAMAS’ charter (“the Jews are the enemy of mankind”). I read an article about someone who went through the ISM (International Solidarity Movement) training sessions for Western volunteers. They were told “you will hear from the Arabs things that ‘the Jews are this, the Jews are that, the Jews are monsters, etc’, but what they REALLY are referring to is the Zionists”. Just another example of the soft-racism of the Left/Progressives regarding Arabs….”you know Arabs, they don’t really mean what they say”. Well, I DO take seriously what they say. This attempt by the “Left/Progressives” to say that radical Arab nationalism and radical Islam are “universalist, progressive, anti-nationalist, anti-racist” is pure baloney.

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  3. Vickie, your tax dollars do not go to Israeli health care, but thanks for asking. Your tax dollars, the “generous” American foreign “aid” to Israel, go straight to your own American arms dealers, who do all they can, through their lobbies in Congress, to maintain the regional instability (by the support for the Israeli right wing and for right wing governments). Good for business. So not only do we not need those tax dollars (which we don’t get), we would probably be much better off without being a money laundering station for your government, bribing the American military industrial complex.
    You want health care? Maybe you should get your fellow citizens to stop voting Republican, and to cancel the tax cuts for the richest two percent, instead of whining about foreign “aid”.

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  5. @AT
    Obviously there are serious socioeconomic problems in Spain and in lots of other countries – though I am not convinced that “putting food” on the table is really a serious problem for large proportions of the people there or in Israel – the J14 protests themselves started over rent prices. The reason I cited Spain and other European countries was because of Hashuan’s reference to Americans and Europeans going to the movies and eating nice dinners and buying presents while J14 Israelis go hungry. The point is that Israel isn’t a poor country in comparison to European countries (or in comparison to large swathes of America, which is even more unequal than Israel), as he seemed to be suggesting. On the other hand it is an immensely rich country compared to the Palestinian Territories under its boot just a few kilometers down the road, and I don’t think it’s surprising that many people find the J14 protests about protesters’ own material conditions somewhat out of place or at least revealing of a strange sense of “leftist” priorities given the conditions Palestinians are made to live under by the protesters’ own government and the military they serve in.

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  7. @Eran

    It is true that US aid to Israel in part functions as a subsidy to the US arms industry – though less so than in other cases, as Israeli is I think the only country that is allowed to spend some portion (25%) of its US military aid on non-US arms. At the same time though it is unquestionably true that the militaristic Israeli government that is dedicated to maintaining a huge military advantage over its neighbors very much WANTS that money (and lobbies hard for it) to spend on advanced armaments. Without the subsidy it would probably spend a significant proportion or all of that money on arms (and, given that they’re the most advanced in the world, probably American arms) anyway, meaning that the military aid is in effect freeing up money for it to spend elsewhere. So to some extent US taxpayers are subsidizing Israeli government spending in general, rather than just US weapons manufacturers.

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  9. Of course the Israeli government wants that money, that’s exactly my point. I do not support the current Israeli government. The unconditional US support of Israel – driven by the weapons industry more than by the pro-Israeli Jewish lobby – is no help for people like me, Israelis who would want to see a different government in power.

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  11. Plus, it’s not at all certain that even given the current rate of spending on arms (exactly what I want to change), Israel would spend the same amount of money on American arms, particularly in light of the fact that Israel’s own weapons industry, unfortunately, is rather advanced. So it could even be argued that in a sense US “aid” subsidizes US jobs at the price of adversely affecting Israeli jobs. But again, my point is exactly that Israel should spend less money on weapons, and US aid doesn’t help. In any case I wouldn’t say that American tax money subsidizes Israeli health care, that’s absurd.

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  13. I am very happy to see comments from Isrealis who want a left wing government in Israel. We leftists of Pakistan have been fighting the right wing hegemony here for decades and it is good to see our allies in Israel do the same. Frankly, only the Israeli left and not the varied Islamist zealots in the Muslim world can emancipate the Palestinians.

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  15. Mr K Khan-
    If you don’t mind me asking, what do you, as a Pakistani Leftist, think about Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the partition of India and the creation of an ethnocentric Muslim state out of India?

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  17. The point is, you can’t really have good housing inside the green line if you’re spending all that money building settlements, and defending them.

    And yes, human rights are more important than the right to good housing. There are competing rights that have to be balanced off, but in the end human rights trumps housing every time. J14 can produce a marginally better situation, because it address real housing needs and might result in a marginally better government coming to power. But the overwhelming racism and cult-like fantasies of the Israeli people mean that anything J14 produces will be very little.

    In the US we don’t hear much about Netanyahu’s inability to meet housing needs. We hear more from people in the Israel Lobby who scream at us if we dare to criticize anything Israeli, including the rightwing political class and Likudniks, and then try to get us fired from our jobs and destroy our reputations for supposedly being crypto-Nazis. When we want to find out how crazy Israel is becoming, all we have to do is look at Abraham Foxman and Alan Dershowitz and the rest of the Lobby. Jewish nationalism, like all religious nationalism, is poison, because it is nothing but mass narcissism.

    Israel is moving toward fascism. Get good housing if you can, but don’t fool yourself. Sooner or later every Israeli Jew of decent tendencies will have to stand alone while everybody else screams at him, “Love it or leave it! No Palestinians, no problem!” Ethnic cleansing and genocide are in the collective mind of Israel, and the fire is getting hotter.

    And once Israel gets to use its precious nuclear weapons, do you really think that six million dead Arabs will redeem the death of six million dead European Jews? All it will do is make every Jew in Israel an honorary Christian, because at last you will have become just as evil as the people who once persecuted you. Mozel Tov! Ain’t Zionism grand??

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  19. One cannot ignore the fact that Israel’s presence in the west bank and its treatment of its non-Jewish citizens are major issues for the country. If a protest aimed at bringing greater social equality ignores these two issues, it is unsurprising that some of us find this highly regrettable. (I am a Jew and a Zionist, not someone who is on the “extreme left”.)

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  21. [...] the protest, and Dimi Reider, Haggai Matar, Ami Kaufman and myself for others. And there was also this piece by Yossi Gurvitz, directed at “the international left”, which made many people angry, [...]



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