Comments on: The Turkel Committee report: Better late than never http://972mag.com/the-turkel-committee-report-better-late-than-never/65662/ Independent commentary and news from Israel & Palestine Sun, 19 May 2013 02:53:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: directrob http://972mag.com/the-turkel-committee-report-better-late-than-never/65662/comment-page-1/#comment-108059 directrob Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:02:24 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=65662#comment-108059 You should probably activate javascript to see the rest of comments. I fear it has nothing to do with constitution, I think the IDF is still living in the sixtees. The reflex is to protect soldiers whatever crime they do. It is Mỹ Lai over and over (one person a few years house arrest for 500 murdered civilians). You should probably activate javascript to see the rest of comments.

I fear it has nothing to do with constitution, I think the IDF is still living in the sixtees. The reflex is to protect soldiers whatever crime they do. It is Mỹ Lai over and over (one person a few years house arrest for 500 murdered civilians).

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/the-turkel-committee-report-better-late-than-never/65662/comment-page-1/#comment-108005 Greg Pollock Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:05:47 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=65662#comment-108005 My browser truncates comments, so I have no idea if my incredibly valuable comments get through. So I want to repeat that I think this report, unactualized as it will be, indicates a rift within the Israeli educated elite over the constitutional standing of the IDF. As usual, there is no promise of relief for those enduring the present, but I remain not without hope for Israel's future. My browser truncates comments, so I have no idea if my incredibly valuable comments get through. So I want to repeat that I think this report, unactualized as it will be, indicates a rift within the Israeli educated elite over the constitutional standing of the IDF. As usual, there is no promise of relief for those enduring the present, but I remain not without hope for Israel’s future.

]]> By: directrob http://972mag.com/the-turkel-committee-report-better-late-than-never/65662/comment-page-1/#comment-107943 directrob Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:44:31 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=65662#comment-107943 The problem is that micky mouse justice IDF style will not convince the ICC or any other country taken the the murder of a citizen seriously. Israel should at least take civilian killings to court and not come up with endless excuses. (see the James Millar case) The problem is that micky mouse justice IDF style will not convince the ICC or any other country taken the the murder of a citizen seriously. Israel should at least take civilian killings to court and not come up with endless excuses.

(see the James Millar case)

]]> By: Greg Pollock http://972mag.com/the-turkel-committee-report-better-late-than-never/65662/comment-page-1/#comment-107696 Greg Pollock Sat, 09 Feb 2013 02:21:17 +0000 http://972mag.com/?p=65662#comment-107696 I would read the contradiction as saying there should be no retroactive enforcement of the report's conclusions. "the MPCID stopped automatically investigating any killing by the IDF, when the Second Intifada broke out" : That time was defined as a war, where criminality has a very high bar. What this report says is that time is over and now you are engaged in a police action. Good police organizations have an Internal Affairs Division, never liked, but known necessary. Without a commitment from IDF Command there is no reason to expect this report to change anything. I would have wished for explicit civilian oversight in the form of the High Court so that, even if implemented to some degree, applied redress is not contingent on the personality of someone in Command. This report is 1) as said, a direct redefinition of the occupation as police action (and why speak of this at all concerning the Gaza ship?); 2) a direct challenge as to the implicit constitutional status of the IDF. I would very much like to know why the committee went so broad in its recommendations; there really was no political reason to do so--or is there, hidden in observation of growing IDF immunity? I would read the contradiction as saying there should be no retroactive enforcement of the report’s conclusions.

“the MPCID stopped automatically investigating any killing by the IDF, when the Second Intifada broke out” : That time was defined as a war, where criminality has a very high bar. What this report says is that time is over and now you are engaged in a police action. Good police organizations have an Internal Affairs Division, never liked, but known necessary.

Without a commitment from IDF Command there is no reason to expect this report to change anything. I would have wished for explicit civilian oversight in the form of the High Court so that, even if implemented to some degree, applied redress is not contingent on the personality of someone in Command.

This report is 1) as said, a direct redefinition of the occupation as police action (and why speak of this at all concerning the Gaza ship?); 2) a direct challenge as to the implicit constitutional status of the IDF. I would very much like to know why the committee went so broad in its recommendations; there really was no political reason to do so–or is there, hidden in observation of growing IDF immunity?

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