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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the article by the person whom you describe as that &quot;lousy history teacher&quot; and she was writing from the perspective of someone who lives on a kibbutz in southern Israel, whose children have all done military service and who, by living on a kibbutz (and presumably through her work as a teacher) is closely connected to many young children.
How about you?  Is your daily life affected by missile attacks (or do you live elsewhere maybe not even in Israel.)  If not, maybe you could try and understand why someone whose life is may think that the answer does not lie in endless rounds of tit-for-tat violence but through using non-violent means to finding a resolution. Ending Israel&#039;s illegal occupation would be a good place to start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article by the person whom you describe as that &#8220;lousy history teacher&#8221; and she was writing from the perspective of someone who lives on a kibbutz in southern Israel, whose children have all done military service and who, by living on a kibbutz (and presumably through her work as a teacher) is closely connected to many young children.<br />
How about you?  Is your daily life affected by missile attacks (or do you live elsewhere maybe not even in Israel.)  If not, maybe you could try and understand why someone whose life is may think that the answer does not lie in endless rounds of tit-for-tat violence but through using non-violent means to finding a resolution. Ending Israel&#8217;s illegal occupation would be a good place to start!</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/the-tel-aviv-bubble-has-burst-the-status-quo-should-go-with-it/60157/comment-page-1/#comment-92974</link>
		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of paper, pastries and coffee would be wasted with zero viable results.

Not any cook is able to run the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of paper, pastries and coffee would be wasted with zero viable results.</p>
<p>Not any cook is able to run the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if only...we could gather a group of visionary Israeli and Palestinian women in one conference room and let them plan their vision for a fair and peaceful future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if only&#8230;we could gather a group of visionary Israeli and Palestinian women in one conference room and let them plan their vision for a fair and peaceful future.</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/the-tel-aviv-bubble-has-burst-the-status-quo-should-go-with-it/60157/comment-page-1/#comment-92837</link>
		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good insight

In a region that is unable to solve the problem of Kirkuk and decide whether it is Arab, Kurdish, or Turkic, the return of Palestinians to the Palestine of 1948 is as diabolic as it is naïve since it would never lead to peace and will never put an end to the suffering of Palestinians. 
http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/11/06/247926.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good insight</p>
<p>In a region that is unable to solve the problem of Kirkuk and decide whether it is Arab, Kurdish, or Turkic, the return of Palestinians to the Palestine of 1948 is as diabolic as it is naïve since it would never lead to peace and will never put an end to the suffering of Palestinians.<br />
<a href="http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/11/06/247926.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/11/06/247926.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
		<link>http://972mag.com/the-tel-aviv-bubble-has-burst-the-status-quo-should-go-with-it/60157/comment-page-1/#comment-92835</link>
		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...and yet I find it increasingly difficult to find evidence that Israel’s actions can be interpreted any differently.&quot;

Oh, there is one tiny but significant detail.
Israel claims that it is willing to coexist with Hamas - under certain conditions.
Hamas however claims that is won&#039;t coexist with Israel under no conditions - or at least so is written in their charter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;and yet I find it increasingly difficult to find evidence that Israel’s actions can be interpreted any differently.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, there is one tiny but significant detail.<br />
Israel claims that it is willing to coexist with Hamas &#8211; under certain conditions.<br />
Hamas however claims that is won&#8217;t coexist with Israel under no conditions &#8211; or at least so is written in their charter.</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 02:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History,

Issue of Arab&#039;s military service if way more complicated than you think.
However it&#039;s way beyond the scope of this topic.
I&#039;ll only notice that Arab Knesset Members STRONGLY oppose the very idea of such service - because it would lead to normalization.

Let&#039;s call it (partial) ethnic cleansing than.
As long as &quot;Nation&quot; which loses &quot;State&quot; is not mentioned I don&#039;t mind.

Palestinian Authority *never* pushed for peace. You won&#039;t be able to produce one single fact which would prove that any of Palestinian leaders during last 4 decades made any effort which would bring lasting peace.

Mahmoud Abbas hinted what?
http://www.alarabiya.com/news/articles/70/Abbas-clarifies-have-not-relinquished-Right-of-Re.html

Abbas has no real power behind him - besides Israel and USA.
Also, Hamas is at least as important of a player - and they certainly are not going to give up the RoR.

Israel launched offensive in response to constant rocket fire from Gaza. It has nothing to do with worthless innuendos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History,</p>
<p>Issue of Arab&#8217;s military service if way more complicated than you think.<br />
However it&#8217;s way beyond the scope of this topic.<br />
I&#8217;ll only notice that Arab Knesset Members STRONGLY oppose the very idea of such service &#8211; because it would lead to normalization.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s call it (partial) ethnic cleansing than.<br />
As long as &#8220;Nation&#8221; which loses &#8220;State&#8221; is not mentioned I don&#8217;t mind.</p>
<p>Palestinian Authority *never* pushed for peace. You won&#8217;t be able to produce one single fact which would prove that any of Palestinian leaders during last 4 decades made any effort which would bring lasting peace.</p>
<p>Mahmoud Abbas hinted what?<br />
<a href="http://www.alarabiya.com/news/articles/70/Abbas-clarifies-have-not-relinquished-Right-of-Re.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.alarabiya.com/news/articles/70/Abbas-clarifies-have-not-relinquished-Right-of-Re.html</a></p>
<p>Abbas has no real power behind him &#8211; besides Israel and USA.<br />
Also, Hamas is at least as important of a player &#8211; and they certainly are not going to give up the RoR.</p>
<p>Israel launched offensive in response to constant rocket fire from Gaza. It has nothing to do with worthless innuendos.</p>
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		<title>By: History</title>
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		<dc:creator>History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrorism, unacceptable? who would have thought...

I assume you are not serious.
Terrorism, which includes murder, bombings and assassinations (like the one that sparked recent events), has become the favorite word of many governments, notably the Israeli gov&#039;t.
It is what your enemies do. What you do is self defense. Similarly, while &#039;Hamas murders civilians&#039;, the IDF causes &#039;collateral damage&#039;.
As far as that goes, Israel&#039;s entire argument is based on the prerequisite that Hamas is a terror organization, and yet I find it increasingly difficult to find evidence that Israel&#039;s actions can be interpreted any differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrorism, unacceptable? who would have thought&#8230;</p>
<p>I assume you are not serious.<br />
Terrorism, which includes murder, bombings and assassinations (like the one that sparked recent events), has become the favorite word of many governments, notably the Israeli gov&#8217;t.<br />
It is what your enemies do. What you do is self defense. Similarly, while &#8216;Hamas murders civilians&#8217;, the IDF causes &#8216;collateral damage&#8217;.<br />
As far as that goes, Israel&#8217;s entire argument is based on the prerequisite that Hamas is a terror organization, and yet I find it increasingly difficult to find evidence that Israel&#8217;s actions can be interpreted any differently.</p>
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		<title>By: History</title>
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		<dc:creator>History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point about statehood stands, and nobody can deny the atrocities committed in the second world war.
and yet.. if we are being completely frank, is it any better when the Israeli government claims equality an yet the Arabs are undeniably second class citizens (differentiated by army service)?

As to forced migration, I argue that the term is too soft: these people lost their homes, their possessions. They were separated from their family, and they went to live in refugee camps (where, if you recall, they were massacred with Israel&#039;s help).. Hardly &quot;forced to migrate.&quot;

You claim to be politically neutral. So tell me, when the Palestinian authority pushes for peace, and hints that they might even be willing to compromise on the right of return, why is Israel&#039;s response to launch a military offensive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point about statehood stands, and nobody can deny the atrocities committed in the second world war.<br />
and yet.. if we are being completely frank, is it any better when the Israeli government claims equality an yet the Arabs are undeniably second class citizens (differentiated by army service)?</p>
<p>As to forced migration, I argue that the term is too soft: these people lost their homes, their possessions. They were separated from their family, and they went to live in refugee camps (where, if you recall, they were massacred with Israel&#8217;s help).. Hardly &#8220;forced to migrate.&#8221;</p>
<p>You claim to be politically neutral. So tell me, when the Palestinian authority pushes for peace, and hints that they might even be willing to compromise on the right of return, why is Israel&#8217;s response to launch a military offensive?</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History,

I&#039;m not denying obvious neither making fictional claims.
Unlike Palestinian, who calls Jews - foreigners in Judaea, or you for that matter, with the &quot;Palestinian State&quot;

Would you care to tell at what stage of human history &quot;terrorism&quot; became illegal and unacceptable practice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying obvious neither making fictional claims.<br />
Unlike Palestinian, who calls Jews &#8211; foreigners in Judaea, or you for that matter, with the &#8220;Palestinian State&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you care to tell at what stage of human history &#8220;terrorism&#8221; became illegal and unacceptable practice?</p>
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		<title>By: The Trespasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Trespasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History,

There never was an independent Palestinian State neither Palestinian People (until 1967 or so), so there is no way of claiming that a State (or part of it) was taken from Nation.

Excuse that Palestinians never claimed state because some part of it was allegedly occupied is really laughable.

There is no other known example in the history of human kind, where Nation REFUSES to declare Statehood because some part of it&#039;s alleged territory is under enemy control.

On the contrary - declaring state would make occupation de-jure, therefore making IDF presence in WB and Gaza illegal.

I have no political alignment.

All my empathy to the poor, displaced and oppressed almost everywhere Palestinian Arabs (and I&#039;m not mocking) could not change the fact that no country was taken from a nation.

It would be more correct to say that some of Arab Palestinians were forced to migrate to adjacent countries.

Quiet a lot of things could be way more terrible than losing part of your county. I&#039;d say when a host nation officially declares you class B or C citizen (like it was in Germany, Russia or Muslim countries) and you have nowhere else to go it is a bit more terrible.

Still I am to have an explanation why Palestinian state was not declared for 40 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History,</p>
<p>There never was an independent Palestinian State neither Palestinian People (until 1967 or so), so there is no way of claiming that a State (or part of it) was taken from Nation.</p>
<p>Excuse that Palestinians never claimed state because some part of it was allegedly occupied is really laughable.</p>
<p>There is no other known example in the history of human kind, where Nation REFUSES to declare Statehood because some part of it&#8217;s alleged territory is under enemy control.</p>
<p>On the contrary &#8211; declaring state would make occupation de-jure, therefore making IDF presence in WB and Gaza illegal.</p>
<p>I have no political alignment.</p>
<p>All my empathy to the poor, displaced and oppressed almost everywhere Palestinian Arabs (and I&#8217;m not mocking) could not change the fact that no country was taken from a nation.</p>
<p>It would be more correct to say that some of Arab Palestinians were forced to migrate to adjacent countries.</p>
<p>Quiet a lot of things could be way more terrible than losing part of your county. I&#8217;d say when a host nation officially declares you class B or C citizen (like it was in Germany, Russia or Muslim countries) and you have nowhere else to go it is a bit more terrible.</p>
<p>Still I am to have an explanation why Palestinian state was not declared for 40 years.</p>
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