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The slandering of Gaza flotilla activist Greta Berlin

A lie of omission is as good a lie as any other. 

It’s amazing how blatantly, how shamelessly a Jewish Agency official named Avi Mayer, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, the Jerusalem Post, Canada’s National Post and I don’t know how many other “pro-Israel” entities have slandered Greta Berlin, a prominent spokeswoman of the Free Gaza Movement, as an advocate of the worst, sickest kind of anti-Semitism. They’ve deliberately left out Berlin’s explanation for a tweet she sent out a few days ago, and without her explanation, one is indeed left to conclude that she’s a crazed Jew-hater. A lot of people, of course, want to believe that about a woman so closely identified with the flotillas that sailed to Gaza, so this story has gone viral.

And it is based on a lie of omission, which is as good a lie as any other. Here’s what happened:

On Sunday, Berlin tweeted the following: “Zionists operated the concentration camps and helped murder millions of innocent Jews.” The tweet linked to a video said to be of a deceased Jew-hater named Eustace Mullins going on about how the Jews plotted with Hitler to kill anti-Zionist Jews, how the “zi” in Nazi stands for “Zionist” – the worst sewage.

Mayer, who reportedly oversees social media for the Jewish Agency, noticed Berlin’s tweet, watched the video and starting tweeting and Facebooking it like crazy. Then the Jewish Telegraphic Agency did a story on Berlin’s tweet that was picked up in Haaretz and God knows where else, the Jerusalem Post did a story on it, the right-wing National Post ran a column on it.

All these stories referred to Berlin’s apology on the Free Gaza Movement website – but only to one part of it: the part where she explains that she didn’t mean for the tweet to go out on the Free Gaza Movement’s Tweeter account, but only to a group of people on her personal Facebook page. Reporting this and only this as her “apology” naturally made Berlin look even more evil.

What Mayer, the JTA, the Jerusalem Post and National Post left out was the other part of Berlin’s explanation that was posted on the Free Gaza Movement’s website: that her tweet was intended for a Facebook discussion among “a group of people who were discussing propaganda and racism, and this link was an example of the terrible propaganda that could be spewed on websites.” 

The news stories also omitted the Free Gaza Movement’s statement that it “condemns” the content of the video, which was titled “Zionists Ran the Holocaust and the Concentration Camps.” (Here is the apology in full.)

So Berlin’s full explanation, which Mayer and the writers of those news stories chose not to report, is that her tweet was not a statement of her views, but a headline for the video she was sending to a discussion group on “propaganda and racism” as an “example of the terrible propaganda that could be spewed on websites.”

In other words, Berlin’s explanation, available for all to see, is that the tweet and video don’t represent her views – they represent views she considers extremely dangerous.

Do you believe her? I do, absolutely. I don’t agree with the overall view of Israel-Palestine held by Berlin and the Free Gaza Movement (although I do support the mission of their flotillas, which is to break the blockade of Gaza) – but to think that she believes in this psychotic, frothing-at-the-mouth garbage about Jews? No, I do not.

But I have to admit – when I first heard about the tweet, and read Avi Mayer’s Facebook entries and the JTA story, I found it unbelievable … yet I believed it, because there it was in black and white, the original tweet plus the video, all written up in the newspapers and websites in stories that purportedly included Berlin’s side of the story.

It was only after I read Berlin’s actual side of the story that I realized that Mayer, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, The Jerusalem Post and the National Post were telling good old lies of omission. They’ve slandered Greta Berlin and the Free Gaza Movement, in most if not all cases out of right-wing political motives. (The writer of the Jerusalem Post article, Benjamin Weinthal, is a right-wing propagandist posing as a journalist. He quotes another right-wing propagandist, NGO Monitor’s Gerald Steinberg, saying: “The NGO activists in the so-called ‘Free Gaza’ campaign have always reflected obsessive, irrational and immoral characteristics, and the revelation of links to crude anti-Semitism provides additional evidence.”)

I’d say shame on them all, but like I said, they’re shameless.

 

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    1. Anonymous

      Derfner, you may be blinded by your love for all things left-wing, but don’t expect the rest of us to guzzle the Kool-Aid along with you.
      Berlin screwed up and showed her ugly face to the world, and you’re simply in denial about it. At the very least she should resign, and if you had any spine at all, you would be calling for her to do so.

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      • Andrew

        One point which I have not seen mentioned is this – if Berlin really was posting this vile trash in the context of a Facebook discussion whose participants were outraged about horrible racism or anti-semitism, why hasn’t she posted that discussion so that her claim of that context can be verified?

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        • thegreywolfe

          Because, Andrew, the discussioin in question is non-existent, so far. Wait until later this week, there will be a discussion posted retroactively.

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    2. David

      I’d feel more at ease if i could at least see a link to this Facebook group. It’s a rather convenient excuse otherwise:

      “oh please ignore that terrible thing I said! It’s actually opposite day!”

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    3. Mihai-Robert Soran

      You’re wrong, IMHO.
      I’m well known – I hope – for my positions on the conflict, so nobody could accuse me of anti-Palestinian attitudes.
      Greta Berlin has – according to my personal experience with her in social media – consistently repeatedly come out in heated online debates with clearly racist, clearly antisemitic (better said: anti-Jewish) statements up to insults.
      Due to these facts I decided to leave a number of sites, forums, groups just because I was disgusted by her continued hatred that would honor a neo-nazi, and probably is honored by them.
      I got somewhere in my backups enough stinking examples of her rabid personal and group attacks against Israelis and non-Israeli Jews, against Zionists and non-Zionist Jews. I protested a few times, then I decided to leave. And no, I wasn’t directly attacked by her, probably because I treated her as fair as her foes, and defended her – like others, too – in face of slander.
      Not exactly this time … Just because I know that she shared earlier views that accused Zionist groups, institutions and leaders to have worked together with the Nazis prior to and during the Holocaust.
      NO, IMHO she really believes that Zionists/Jews have had their hands in the concentration camps “business”.
      Regards

      PS. Of course have I read from the beginning her appologIES, which in the beginning haven’t apparently seem credible even for all her FreeGaza comrades, so she had to repeat and repeat, and slightly change, and … and …

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      • JFG

        Thanks for this insight. I wish that Derfner (and JTA, Haaretz, etc) had thought to check with people with you before running the story.

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    4. Bob

      Certainly all the usual defenders and hasbarists jumped on this in record time, but there is a lesson here. This sort of thing happens a lot to not just Greta, but to others who quickly and carelessly forward links which, upon scrutiny, are indeed antisemitic. People who oppose Israel’s occupation on justifiable moral and political bases sometimes have “FB friends” who oppose Israel because they just hate Jews. Know who your friends really are and keep more selective company.

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      • Anonymous

        Despite your sarcasm, Bob, you make a good point. With social media we see people as they really are, whether Anthony Weiner or Greta Berlin.
        And even if Berlin isn’t anti-Semitic herself (which is highly unlikely) she associates with people who are, which means that clearly anti-Semitism doesn’t bother her.
        You are judged by the company that you keep. All of Free Gaza is stained by this, as if they weren’t already.

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        • Bob

          Not sure which Anonymous I should address this to but, yes, you are judged by the company you keep. On the other hand, there are associations between Israel and the MEK, between its supporters like Pamela Geller and European neo-nazi groups, and with Zionists and Kahanists. When the links are persistent and at the highest levels within an organization, one must ask questions. A final quibble: I wasn’t being sarcastic at all.

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    5. Larry Stillman

      In this case, where there is smoke, there is fire. It wasn’t hard to find it on Gilad Atzmon’s website. I assume that readers of 972 are aware of the bizarre and virulent antisemitic views of Atzmon–yet on his website is this endorsement of the dangerous garbage he has written and others have been tricked by (or are so ignorant that they believe it is actually true):

      “Gilad’s “The Wandering Who” entertains, pushes and irritates us. His painful journey through what it means to be Jewish, what the consequences are of carrying that realization around, and his ultimate acceptance of who he is makes me awfully glad I was raised a Methodist.”

      Not to be missed and not to be put down for later, his book is one of the best reads of 2012.”
      http://tinyurl.com/8ubgu6x
      Greta Berlin – Co-Founder, the Free Gaza movement

      That can’t be excused away.

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      • Laurent Szyster

        +1

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    6. XYZ

      Note the propagandistic comment that “The writer of the Jerusalem Post article, Benjamin Weinthal, is a right-wing propagandist posing as a journalist”.

      I wonder what would happen if we characterized some of the people who write columns here at 972 as “left-wing propagandists posing as journalists”?

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      • Ben

        First off, regarding the left-wing and propagandist comment, I would smile, cough pointedly and say “No comment.”
        Second, Ms. Berlin fucked up, pardon my language, because A) her beliefs are disgusting, B) she outright lied and kept lying about them and C) the Palestinian solidarity movement can’t keep up the pretense that they’re hugely liked and/or supported without presenting a faux-moderate face (or a cheerfully non-moderate one, such as the times they explain how benevolent and wonderful a one-state solution is) and she completely ruined that for them. Supporters like Larry, who is a good writer, aside, she’s become a millstone around her pet cause’s neck. They can either keep her around and suffer a long-term PR defeat or get rid of her and get ripped by hard-core believers. They can’t win–and I’m really happy to see that taking place.

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    7. Someone

      She also said: “I apologize that I did not watch the video before hitting SHARE on Facebook. I was in a rush to get to a book event and simply reposted. The fault is completely mine. Free Gaza had nothing to do with the post at all. ” This suggests that she simply uses every possible defense:

      1. I shared it to oppose it

      2. I didn’t know what’s in it

      3. I should not have shared it

      Now, if she did not know what’s in it, then why share it as a terrible example?

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    8. ronnie

      Your defense of her is pathetic.
      she posted her true positions

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    9. JFG

      Well, this is a rude awakening. Thanks Mihai-Robert for your insight.

      This makes the Liberal Empathist’s case much more difficult.

      Classical Zionist: “All people who are against Israel are anti-Semites.”
      Liberal Empathist: “Faulty reasoning. Many people oppose Israeli policies are not only *not
      * anti-Semites, but they include many proud Jews of all levels of observance.”
      Classical Zionist: “Suit yourself. Were Israel’s fate entirely up to you, I would fear for it.”
      Liberal Empathist: “Ditto.”
      Classical Zionist: “Ok, the people who *lead* the Palestinian liberation movements — viz. Greta Berlin — are demonstrably anti-Semitic, as reported by people generally in your camp, and you can’t get rid of her.”

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    10. m g panovka

      Clearly the apology is not an apology.The spurious claim that she was rushed and did not read the material is ridiculous. What was the urgency. A weak attempt to avoid the contempt which Berlin has earned and deserves in full measure.

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    11. annie

      larry, you are truly a generous being. however, i think you are in denial. this is a very sad day. crushing, stunning, disappointment doesn’t begin to describe how i feel.

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    12. Ryan Mervin

      Derfner, maybe you should check into the people you defend. I have seen posts by Greasy Greta showing her to be an antisemite, my personal favourite was one to her buddy Joachim Martillo (go google what this holocaust denial expert is known for) in which she chastises him for openly using the word “jew” in his rants and tells him to substitute the word zionist for jew ” because everyone will know what you really mean anyway.”

      Greasy greta may be the darling of the propal cause but the woman is an obvious antisemite and only a moron who has never seen her posts on facebook would believe her lameass excuse that they were discussing propoganda so she was posting that video.

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      • Nadia Mansour

        Typical ad homs coming from you, Ryan. “Greasy” Greta, really? I have never seen an anti-Semitic comment coming from Greta Berlin.

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      • Fadwa Othman

        Greta Berlin is not anti-Semitic or a Holocaust denier we all know that!!

        Everyone is anti-Semitic to him and his gang when opposing crimes committed against the Palestinians!! Ryan Mervin your anti human supporting the killings of Palestinians altogether what are you complaining about exactly? Victim cards again?

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    13. Mark Kerpin

      Pathetic excuses from Ms. Berlin, and and even more pathetic defense from Larry Derfner.

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    14. Some 2 months ago Sami Michael wrote on this blog:
      “The authors of the fascist book “Torat HaMelech” (“The King’s Torah”), which advocates the murder of Arabs, were spared criminal charges for incitement to racism and violence.”
      The same commenters demonizing Gretta Berlin here, were in complete denial of the racism in Israel (it’s much worse elsewhere bla bla bla).
      If Gretta watched the video, she was not promoting the views, unlike many in Israel who could and can promote the filth of the King’s Torah. Double standards again?

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      • Mitchell Cohen

        Unlike Gretta Berlin, the Rabbis who endorsed “Torat HaMelech” do NOT claim to have a monopoly on “peace”, “love”, and “tolerance”….

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    15. John Turnbull

      I’ve spoken with Berlin. I heard no evidence of anti-Semitism.

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      • Barry Rosen

        Maybe Greta should go to Gaza to protest Hamas barbaric rule.
        Then again, Greta has no problem with Hamas leaders strapping bombs on Pals for 72 virgins.

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/human-rights-watch-warns-of-severe-hamas-abuse-of-palestinians/

        Human Rights Watch reports on ‘severe’ Hamas abuse of Palestinians

        International watchdog says authorities ruling Gaza engage in torture, forced confessions and mock executions of civilian population
        October 3, 2012

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      • Mitchell Cohen

        Must have been a short conversation:

        Nice to meet you, Gretta….

        Likewise….

        [End]

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      • Sarah Williams

        “I’ve spoken to Greta…” So have a lot of us. Many of us have debated her in online forums, and her clutch of defenders here have made similar comments in those forums as antisemitic as Greta’s (Hello, Fadwa! Hello, Rim!). If even the Electronic Intifada is disavowing her, you must know that this is not “hasbara” but rather that she is a proven racist hater.

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    16. Stan N

      This claim is NOT borne out by what I find from Berlin on the Free Gaza web site. Now she has added a claim that what was posted was intended for a discussion group on propaganda and racism. But in her original apology she wrote that she hadn’t seen the video before posting it. But if she knew it was an Antisemetic propaganda speech why would it be relevant that she hadn’t seen it? It makes more sense that she had to change her story when the Nazi film on Katyn showed up and the “I hadn’t seen it” line fell apart. As for Free GAza apologizing for the posting, that’s very different from condemning its contents–just more damage control.

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    17. Tom

      Someone just pointed out that the apology on Free Gaza was posted yesterday, but the National Post article was posted on Oct 4, 2012 2:35 AM – which means the Free Gaza site could not have been the source being used re: the apology. Would be interesting to see where the original apology came from and what it said.

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      • That’s a great article.
        “In general, well intentioned outsiders need to understand that while there are many Palestinian and pro-Palestinian organizations who criticize Israel and work to better the lives of Palestinians in a very honest and admirable way, there are also some unscrupulous hate groups out there.”
        It’s the ‘unscrupulous hate groups’ who are responsible for the ethnic cleansing, now I get it.

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    18. Benjamin Weinthal’s ethics are hardly any news – he failed to obtain our comments when he trashed 972 (quoting JS, as always).

      However, I am not convinced by Berlin’s explenation. She is yet to show this Facebook debate if she wants me to take her claim seriously. Her past endorssment of Gilad Azmon, a known antisemite, also doesn’t help.

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      • Kyle

        Noam, I know Greta personally and I can assure you that she is undoubtedly and without question NOT anti-Semitic. She is very much opposed to the Israeli occupation and the Israeli government’s behavior for the past 6 decades, but that in no way translates to anti-Semitism.

        Did she make a mistake? Of course she did. The Facebook/Twitter relationship can be tricky to navigate at times – anyone who uses social media, with all of its “permissions” and linking of accounts – can attest to this.

        Albert Einstein once said “condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.” When people want to make spurious (and highly dubious) claims of anti-Semitism against someone, and you refuse to even acknowledge their own self-defense, then this ceases to be a discussion; it becomes nothing more than a witch hunt, and I’m pretty sure +972 is a lot better than that.

        The Hasbaraites are coming out in full force to attempt to discredit this absolutely wonderful woman who has done so much for the Palestinian cause, and it’s a damn shame that so many folks have made up their minds without even considering the notion that their preconceptions may be wrong.

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        • The Twitter/Facebook relationship isn’t rocket science. If you configure your Facebook account to post your statuses automatically as tweets, updates to Twitter should be near-instantaneous.

          Ali Abunimah has found that the offensive link was posted to a private Facebook group of which Greta is an administrator (not by Greta herself, but by another admin) on 28 September. It appeared in the Free Gaza Twitter feed on 30 September. Not only was there a two-day gap, but the comment on the link was changed. The original comment read, “This will be a thought provoker for some.” The comment that appeared in the FG Twitter feed, operated by Greta Berlin, was, “Zionists operated the concentration camps and helped murder millions of innocent Jews.”

          Even supposing it’s possible for there to be a two-day lag in between posting something to Facebook and having it posted to Twitter (implausible, but not inconceivable – technological glitches do happen) that doesn’t explain why the comment changed. If it had been updated directly from Facebook, the text should have been identical. The only conclusion I can make is that Greta must have typed out that comment herself. She saw the video in the private Facebook group (where there was no discussion on propaganda taking place, as Ali Abunimah has seen), she agreed with it, she shared it, she realised that she was on thin ice, and she tried to scramble off it while giving several awkward excuses.

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    19. Dan Judelson

      Larry,

      “Do you believe her? I do, absolutely.”

      I don’t. I find her explanation implausible, incoherent and thus lacking in credibility. The apology is hardly fulsome, focuses on the fact it was posted to Twitter in error, not that the content was obnoxious. As others have pointed out in the comments above, how can anyone post a video purporting to illustrate the evils of propaganda if, to take Berlin at her own words, the video has not been viewed and evaluated?

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    20. Kolumn9

      The tweet was anti-semitic. There is nothing shameful in questioning why it shows up in the account of any organization. As for the ‘apology’ that it was part of a conversation on online hate.. Were it to be provided with a screenshot of the conversation it might have credibility, but lacking that I really don’t see why it should be believed when the far easier explanation is that you are dealing with someone who does believe in psychotic, frothing-at-the-mouth garbage.

      This is especially convincing given that she endorsed Gilad Atzmon’s book, which was condemned by most responsible adults in the pro-Palestinian movement as anti-Semitic trash, and can very fairly be classified as psychotic, frothing-at-the-mouth garbage about Jews.

      Larry, are you sure you want to stick your head out here like this? She really does believe this stuff is credible and this isn’t going to be the last time she gets caught saying something like this.

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      • Thanks to people like you, anti-semitisme has lost all its meaning and is only serving the extreme right wing parties. It’s still not clear to me wether it’s stupidity or tactics, but it sure hurts many more people than a rational discussion would have done.

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        • Kolumn9

          You must be venting there. I have no idea what in that particular comment drove you to make such a statement.

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          • Vitus

            Anyone who reads here more than a week knows that Engelbert is right about you.

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          • Mitchell Cohen

            Kolumn, I have noticed an interesting phenomena after posting/reading on this site for the better part of a year and three months now. Israel’s detractors will often claim that those who counter their claims are “throwing around the anti-semitism card” when NO accusations of anti-semitism have been made. More often than not, it is those who have an ax to grind with Israel who are the ones who throw around the anti-semitism card by screaming “you are accusing me of anti-semitism just because I dare criticize Israel” thinking it will shield their propaganda (to be distinguished from legitimate criticism) from rebuttal.

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          • Kolumn9

            Mitchell, exactly.

            Then there are also the people who spout all kinds of anti-Semitic propaganda and then insist they are not anti-Semites because as far as they are concerned it is all true. There was one on here a few months back that kept insisting that there must be a Jewish conspiracy because Israel was created and continues to exist. For him, Israel’s existence was proof of the validity of anti-Semitism.

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    21. Karen DeVito

      I stop antisemitic conversation in its tracks wherever I hear it. In personal conversations with Greta Brelin about Israel/Palestine, she never spoke in that manner.
      Could this character assassination have something to do with the imminent sailing of the Free Gaza ship Estelle from Naples to Gaza? An excuse to discredit the entire movement?

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    22. Merica First

      I see that a lot of Greta’s detractors have also published a link to the video by posting her tweets. Are they all “antisemites”? If posting a link is endorsing it, then I think everyone here qualifies as one

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    23. Richard Witty

      Careless accusations abound.

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      • Richard Witty

        For example, by Free Gaza activists, I’ve been called “racist” hundreds of times for expressing any sympathetic or even explanation (mistaken for advocacy) of Israeli policies and behavior.

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    24. Carl Freeman

      Inappropriate use of the “anti-Semitism” card merely ends up devaluing it. There is a danger that continued inappropriate use of it will mean that it eventually becomes worthless. A bit like the cry of “wolf” in the children’s fable and we know what happened to the boy who over-used it. The villagers no longer listened to him. There are anti-Semites in the world. There are Holocaust deniers too. I have encountered them and I always challenge them. I have no time for racists and I abhor any attacks on people based on their race, culture of faith. But levelling charges of anti-Semitism at anyone who criticises the disproportionate use of force by the Israeli Military or the illegal theft of Palestinian land by settlers the accuser simply undermines those who play a vital role in challenging genuine anti-Semitism. Accusations of anti-Semitism should be reserved for anti-Semites. Greta Berlin is not anti-Semitic.

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    25. Roger

      OH Oh oh the PAIN!

      Most of us don’t want to be just armchair activists.

      Greta Berlin knows NOT that pain.

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    26. Dave Rogers

      I know Greta personally and met her with a Jewish guy only last month. We chatted and ate Ice cream, she is a lovely person and very caring to her friends. If posting links of videos automatically associates you with the subject or inference of said video, then god help us all.

      I hope I am not subjected to the same virtual assassination for the links I post and don’t actually comment on …

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      • werner cohn

        She likes ice cream ? She hangs out with an apparently Jewish guy ? Then, in all of God’s creation, could she be anything but an absolute saint ?

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    27. Dorfman.
      Larry, I think you are defending the wrong person.

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    28. Larry Derfner: Andrew and Noam Sheizaf, both above, sound right; free access to the claimed Facebook “event” would clear her immediately, if what she says is true. She will probably say she cannot violate the privacy of other participants; but that means the defense she offers is void.

      Gaza is a different world from the West Bank, and I suspect the years of blockade, jet attacks, occasional foot soldiers and high population density have produced a quite different word climate. There will be times when your opponent is right; this could be one of them. Even if, those opponents may claim such a case validates Israeli State policy on Gaza; such a claim is false. If I were raised in many places in Israel I might hate Gaza and Muslims/Arabs; if I were raised in Gaza I might hate Israel/Jews. This is a truth many on both sides will discard; but it is a bridge, a most teetery bridge, yet mayhap one of the few.

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    29. Larry Stillman

      Ali Abuminah has spoken. You can see his full account, or this quote below.

      http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/greta-berlins-statement-not-correct

      This evening I had an opportunity to spend several hours with full access to a private Facebook group of which Berlin is an administrator, and where the video was first posted by another administrator on 28 September with the comment “This will be a real thought provoker for some.”

      When the video was posted on 28 September it was neither preceded nor followed by any interactions that would fit the description that it “was shared with a group of people who were discussing propaganda and racism, and this link was an example of the terrible propaganda that could be spewed on websites.” This context does not exist.

      I have no doubt that other members of the Free Gaza Movement took Berlin’s explanation in good faith. Now is the moment for them to demand proper accountability

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      • Richard Witty

        An interesting comment by Ali Abunimeh.

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    30. Ed Frias

      31,000 Syrians killed in the last 18 months.
      Remind me, how many Flotillas sent to Syria?

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      • Joe Smack

        If you count the boats of armed fighters from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and elsewhere, then probably several hundred flotillas.

        The difference is, when boats are sent to Gaza, they have to be unarmed so that Israeli commandos can easily murder them, whereas when they are sent to Syria it’s apparently okay to be armed and violent.

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        • Antony

          I thought you lot cared about Palestinian suffering.

          There are 470,000 in Syria right now.

          On your boat mate.

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    31. Ed Frias

      Derfner to next defend Abu Mazen.
      Islamo fascist Holocaust denier Mazen wrote the book,
      The Other Side: the Secret Relations between Nazism and the Leadership of the Zionist Movement.

      In that book, Abbas declared that the gas chambers were never used to murder Jews and dismissed as a “fantastic lie” that six million Jews had died in the Holocaust; at most, he wrote, “890,000″ Jews were killed by the Germans. And they were killed, Abbas wrote, in part as a result of Zionist provocation orchestrated by Ben-Gurion from 1942. Or, as he put it: “The Zionist movement led a broad campaign of incitement against the Jews living under Nazi rule, in order to arouse the government’s hatred of them, to fuel vengeance against them, and to expand the mass extermination.” All of this was designed somehow to facilitate the victory.

      I bet Greta Berlin secretly tweets how great this lying book is.
      Its sad that Derfner has become
      an apologist for Arab racists and their supporters like Berlin.

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    32. Larry Derfner: Andrew and Noam Sheizaf, both above, sound right; free access to the claimed Facebook “event” would clear her immediately, if what she says is true. She will probably say she cannot violate the privacy of other participants; but that means the defense she offers is void.

      Gaza is a different world from the West Bank, and I suspect the years of blockade, jet attacks, occasional foot soldiers and high population density have produced a quite different word climate. There will be times when your opponent is right; this could be one of them. Even if, those opponents may claim such a case validates Israeli State policy on Gaza; such a claim is false. If I were raised in many places in Israel I might hate Gaza and Muslims/Arabs; if I were raised in Gaza I might hate Israel/Jews. This is a truth many on both sides will discard; but it is a bridge, a most teetery bridge, yet mayhap one of the few. (That Berlin lives not in Gaza is secondary; as Jews well live, empathy and identity cross many barriers.)

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      • Richard Witty

        Greg,
        Please read the comment by Ali Abunimeh on Electronic Intifada above.

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    33. As Auschwitz survivor Hajo Meyer says an “anti-Semite” is someone Jews hate. Clearly, Greta Berlin passes this test.

      The real story here is how pathetic the Palestinian solidarity movement is. With their frequent hand-wringing and internal inquisitions over the charge of “anti-Semitism” they empower both the charge and the true and powerful racists–those who support a Jewish state in Palestine.

      Why should Greta Berlin have to be defended by anyone for sharing a Eustace Mullins video? Even if Mullins gets some details wrong in the video, the main point of major Zionist collaboration with the Third Reich is still both salient and well-documented.

      For documentation, you can start with Francis R. Nicosia’s *The Third Reich and the Palestine Question*. There’s also Edwin Black’s *The Transfer Agreement*, Abe Foxman wrote an Afterword to the book. Black is a Zionist Jew in the Benny Morris mold who documents Zionists crimes and justifies them. He says it was okay to collaborate with the Nazis and undermine the international boycott against Germany because the end result was the founding of Israel.

      But instead of having a rational discussion on the merits or demerits of Mullins’ assertions people fall over themselves over the accusation of “anti-Semitism”. Grow up and get a spine while you’re at it.

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      • fizziks

        What a painfully ironic comment from someone called “PeaceMonger”

        “Even if Mullins gets some details wrong in the video, the main point of major Zionist collaboration with the Third Reich is still both salient and well-documented.”

        Oh boy.

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        • Djinn

          Are you claiming there was no collaboration between Zionist organisation and the Nazis? While you could of course argue that there were reasons for that collaboration but to deny it happened demonstrates you are ignorant on the issue and probably should read up a bit before commenting. As always you have a right to your own opinion but not your facts.

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    34. Naftali

      Larry, don’t let the facts get in the way. When I emailed her directly calling her out on this video,she replied

      “That TWEET was posted by someone who also posted it on my Facebook page. Get over yourself.” So, here she says that SOMEONE else posted it.

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    35. Mihai-Robert Soran

      Tweet from: Naomi Klein
      ”I have resigned from the Advisory Board of the Free Gaza Movement. Still support mission but leadership has changed since I signed up.” (@NaomiAKlein on Twitter)
      My tweet back: ” Full support for your decision, Naomi. Mission and leadership must fit. They don’t. And sculptured lies don’t make things any better. Regards ”

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    36. Ed Frias

      Peacemonger, you seemed to not mention this. What a Shock!

      http://www.jnewswire.com/article/30
      Nazis, Arabs planned Final Solution for pre-state Israel
      Stan Goodenough
      April 10th, 2006

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      • Ed Frias, you shouldn’t be shocked. Derfner’s post is about Greta Berlin sharing a video about Zionist Jews collaborating with Nazis. The only point in steering the conversation off that subject is to prevent people from realizing just how heinous Zionism really is.

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    37. Ed Frias

      If Derfner was around from 39 to 45, he would have been defending Laura Delano Houghteling.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-muffling-the-drums-of-war-with-iran/2012/10/01/06a3b020-0bf0-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html

      I pay some heed. The Holocaust is too monstrous a crime to be easily dismissed. Seventy percent of Europe’s Jews were murdered, and much of the world, preoccupied and not all that upset, did little about it. The charge of complicity, of apathy, of heroic indifference, applies not just to the nations of Europe but to the United States as well. In 1939, as the Jews of Europe were running for their very lives, an emergency bill to admit 20,000 Jewish children as refugees was defeated in Congress. President Franklin Roosevelt’s cousin Laura Delano Houghteling summed up the national mood with a dinner party quip: “Twenty-thousand charming children would all too soon grow into 20,000 ugly adults.” (Her comment was discovered by the historian Rafael Medoff in the papers of the diplomat Joseph Grew at Harvard.)

      It should be worth noting, Laura Delano Houghteling, was the wife of the U.S. commissioner of immigration in WW2.

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    38. Ed Frias

      Engelbert Luitsz, Palestinian racism and glorifying the mass murder of Jews doesn’t seem to bother you.
      http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151758
      PA Religious Official Publicly Calls for Genocide of Jews
      PA’s principal religious leader presents the killing of Jews by Muslims as a religious Islamic goal.
      Elad Benari
      1/16/2011

      http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=1526
      Abbas honors terrorist Dalal Mughrabi, killer of 37
      12/31/09
      This week Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas once again honored the memory of the terrorist Dalal Mughrabi – this time by sponsoring a ceremony celebrating the 50th anniversary of her birth. Mughrabi led the worst terror attack in Israel’s history in 1978, when she and other terrorists hijacked a bus and killed 37 civilians. Present at the ceremony were Palestinian dignitaries and a children’s marching band. Earlier this year, Abbas sponsored a computer center named after Mughrabi.
      The PA further glorified Mughrabi on the date of her birth when the Governor of Ramallah announced the naming of the “Dalal Mughrabi Square”.

      http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=2531
      Abbas honors mastermind of Munich Olympics massacre
      Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik
      July 6, 2010

      http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=5581
      PA TV honors Sbarro pizza shop terrorists
      Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik
      Sept. 4, 2011
      PA TV host sends “best wishes” to “our glorious” prisoner who transported the suicide bomber to attack that killed 15, including 7 children.

      http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/10166.htm
      Hamas MP: A Palestinian Who Kills One Jew Will Be Rewarded As If He Killed 30 Million

      http://www.likud.nl/extr486.html
      Hamas Cleric Calls for Extermination of Jews
      Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook
      April 19, 2009

      http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1147480.html
      Karni Eldad/
      The PA is poisoning its children against Israel
      2/4/2010

      http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/04/hamas-celebrates-anniversary-of-haifa.html#disqus_thread
      April 01, 2012
      Hamas celebrates anniversary of Haifa restaurant bombing

      Hamas newspaper Palestine Times has a featured article celebrating the ten year anniversary of the bombing of the Arab-owned Matza restaurant in Haifa, that killed 16 Israeli civilians. The article includes photos of the bomber as well as of the devastation to the restaurant, whose roof collapsed from the force of the explosion.

      http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-singer111902.asp
      Following the murderous terrorist attack on Kibbutz Metzer in 2002, the PLO cold-bloodedly stated on its official website, “We will continue to strike in any place, targeting their children as well.” Five innocent Israelis, including a mother and her two little boys, were butchered in that attack, all of them, Fatah said, “Zionist colonizers” killed in a “qualitative operation in the settlement of Metzer.”

      Here’s how the official Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat al-Jadida headlined its coverage: “Five Israelis killed in an attack on the settlement Metzer.” The report continued, “A Palestinian infiltrated the settlement Metzer and opened fire on the settlers.” It is not well known that the Palestinian press frequently refers to towns in Israel, such as Holon and Kiryat Shmona, as “settlements.” Besides implying that all of Israel is an illegitimate colonial outpost, such references clearly are brought to justify the killings and distinguish them from terrorism.

      http://www.jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby011003.asp
      After the Tel Aviv massacre on January 12th 2003, where 2 Palestinian homicide bombers massacred 23 Israeli civilians. The PLO web site posted a statement — celebrating the attacks:
      “With faith in the calling of holy jihad,” it said, “two suicide attackers . . . succeeded this evening to infiltrate the Zionist roadblocks and to enter the heart of . . . Tel Aviv and carried out two consecutive suicide attacks… These suicide attacks caused a large number of fatalities and casualties in the center of the Zionist occupation of our land. We swear before our people that additional suicide operations will occur.”
      That is a view with which much of Arab opinion concurs. ArabicNews.com, for example, datelined its story on the Tel Aviv attack “Palestine-Israel,” and reported that the bombings had killed “23 Israeli settlers.”

      http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_print=1&x_context=6&x_article=46
      One day after the Ramallah lynching of two Israelis, Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council, called on listeners to find and butcher Jews “no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.”

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    39. Frias, I’m not impressed. You could easily find a thousand hasbara articles like that.
      The fact that the bulldozers come in as soon as the official Zionist narrative is questioned, as we see with Gretta Berlin here, as we have seen with Helen Thomas, has the obvious goal of preventing any truth finding.
      I prefer the originals, preferably from smart Jews. Here there are two for you, for free.
      “It is a matter of common knowledge, indeed, that Zionism is in a peculiarly priviledged position in Germany now. The Nazi Governement does not at all hide the fact that it looks upon the Zionist movement as the chief agency through which it hopes to execute its plans of a great exodus of the Jews from Germany.”
      And:
      “Some Zionists frequently speak of Hitler as of a ‘Messenger of God’ sent to further the work of Zionism.”
      William Zukerman, august 9, 1935, in the Canadian Jewish Chronicle

      “To me, the Zionists, who want to go back to the Jewish state of AD70 … are just as offensive as the Nazis. With their nosing after blood, their ancient ‘cultural roots’, their partly canting, partly obtuse winding back of the world they are altogether a match for the National Socialists…”
      Victor Klemperer, june 1934, in his diary I.

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      • richard witty

        nsttnocontentcomment

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      • richard witty

        This itself is the offending thesis. 1935 quote.

        It is misrrpresentative, abusive.

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    40. Ted

      Dear Mr Derfner,

      You and/or 972mag should now respond given that Ali Abunimah has now debunked the claim that Greta Berlin was posting this comment and videolink from a group opposed to racism.

      Thank you,

      Ted

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    41. Kat

      It’s too bad you cannot seem to follow a timeline. The full statement you refer to by Ms Berlin was not posted until the 5th of October. Many days after she made the offensive tweet and several days AFTER her initial explanation.

      It’s also too bad Ms Berlin cannot seem to grasp the simple notion of how to make an apology. Her whine that she feels victimized by “propaganda hysteria” only undermines any sincerity (of which I doubt there was ANY) she should have been conveying.

      I, for one, did not accuse her of being a Holocaust denier. I did, however, accuse her of being several steps LOWER than a Holocaust denier. And unless, or until, she makes a very public and REAL apology, I stand by my assessment.

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    42. Brian

      The only thing that should disappoint Greta’s friends and supporters is that she didn’t make full opportunity of this publicity to simply come out and proclaim her profound and passionate hatred of Jews and insist upon the extinction of both Jews and Israel. This was her big moment and she blew it.

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    43. Alan L

      Berlin appears to have given a false alibi to explain away her tweet, according to the EI investigation. She has to resign.

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    44. Harvey

      Smoke and mirror damage limitation exercise . The explanation and ‘apology ‘only came after she was rumbled .
      The woman has form . Arraf stepped down , Naomi too .
      Why are you defending the indefensible ?

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    45. Joe Smack

      Wow, apparently hasbara trolls can target 972 mag as well as the rest of the internet.

      Derfner’s post checks out. As for all of the other slanders piling up about Berlin, there is no evidence that she’s endorsed a “neo-Nazi”. If the issue is Gilad Atzmon, yes, he is a very controversial speaker, but the notion that endorsing one of his books about his identity and the way he sees race is some signal of anti-Semitism is absurd, and I doubt many who make this claim have bothered reading the book. Furthermore, it is nothing more than an accusation of guilt by association.

      More importantly, as for this secret Facebook group — it’s private. Why is that not enough anymore? It is obvious she did not mean to post it on Twitter judging by her immediate deletion of the video. Is it really that much more believable that she endorsed this racist video than that she condemned it in private? Why should she have to divulge private group information in order to prove her innocence? And if she is lying when she says the video is an example of something she condemns, then is she also lying when she endorses Gilad Atzmon? Is she lying about endorsing an alleged racist, or is she lying about not being racist? How can you trolls have it both ways?

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    46. denice

      what a croc–a secret group which @ least half of the members are in fact anti-Jewish??? she just happens to admn in thae group, passes anti-semtic material—which she and other anti-semites have done in other groups and you want to give her a pass—Please–keep swallowing the coolaide

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