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		<title>By: Promised Land &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sheldon Adelson: Obama&#8217;s moves liable to bring the destruction of Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Promised Land &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sheldon Adelson: Obama&#8217;s moves liable to bring the destruction of Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 16:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from being a personal friend of the Netanyahus, Adelson is the publisher of the pro-Netanyahu tabloid Israel Hayom (&#8221;Israel Today&#8221;), currently the most widely read paper in Israel (speculations held [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from being a personal friend of the Netanyahus, Adelson is the publisher of the pro-Netanyahu tabloid Israel Hayom (&#8221;Israel Today&#8221;), currently the most widely read paper in Israel (speculations held [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Middle East media round up &#171; UNCUT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Middle East media round up &#171; UNCUT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the +972 blog, here’s a useful guide to the political line of the major Israeli newspapers, for those seeking to unravel the often bewildering complexities of Israeli politics.  Bookmark on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Toby Ziegler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby Ziegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i strongly recommend to everyone checking www.olivetreenews.com to get a deeper and more transparent understanding of the Middle East. by using this tool you will be able to compare from a variety of over 70 news sources with just one click and build your own opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i strongly recommend to everyone checking <a href="http://www.olivetreenews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.olivetreenews.com</a> to get a deeper and more transparent understanding of the Middle East. by using this tool you will be able to compare from a variety of over 70 news sources with just one click and build your own opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Noam Sheizaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noam Sheizaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silvan gets favorable press in Yeditoth, that&#039;s clear, but i don&#039;t think that&#039;s their main motive for their attacks on Netanyahu. Even Yedioth won&#039;t think Silvan can make it to be PM one day. and a couple of years ago Netanyahu did get good coverage in Yedioth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silvan gets favorable press in Yeditoth, that&#8217;s clear, but i don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s their main motive for their attacks on Netanyahu. Even Yedioth won&#8217;t think Silvan can make it to be PM one day. and a couple of years ago Netanyahu did get good coverage in Yedioth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 03:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noam: I&#039;m quite surprised you made no mention of Silvan Shalom, a major Likud thorn in Netanyahu&#039;s side. Yediot may be down on Bibi because of the circulation share Adelson has snatched away, but ever since Shalom married into the Yediot family, it seems to see him as a potential successor to Netanyahu and has continuously published gratuitious items on him and his kooky wife, the former Judy-Nir-Moses. That&#039;s gotta count for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noam: I&#8217;m quite surprised you made no mention of Silvan Shalom, a major Likud thorn in Netanyahu&#8217;s side. Yediot may be down on Bibi because of the circulation share Adelson has snatched away, but ever since Shalom married into the Yediot family, it seems to see him as a potential successor to Netanyahu and has continuously published gratuitious items on him and his kooky wife, the former Judy-Nir-Moses. That&#8217;s gotta count for something.</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yedioth is simply garbage. Their anti-Bibi stance has pushed them over the edge and their front page is full of murders and other sorrid news. Their Friday supplement is the same thing week after week. I stopped reading them years ago. Haaretz is by far the best written, but it&#039;s political views are not to my taste and are frequently inaccurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yedioth is simply garbage. Their anti-Bibi stance has pushed them over the edge and their front page is full of murders and other sorrid news. Their Friday supplement is the same thing week after week. I stopped reading them years ago. Haaretz is by far the best written, but it&#8217;s political views are not to my taste and are frequently inaccurate.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-10-28</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2010-10-28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 05:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The political line of Israeli papers (a reader’s guide) (tags: journalism newspapers) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Noam Sheizaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noam Sheizaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y - your observations are very accurate, and I admit i don&#039;t have a clear answer. I simply think that even if we leave economy aside, we need to take into account more than just the Two States/greater Israel distinction, because that leads us to the conclusion that almost everyone in Israel is lefty, while the reality is that the Right is in power (I don&#039;t think you would deny that). 

in the past decade we have a new phenomena of conservative politicians and writers that promotes leaving the WB, most of the time unilaterally. we need to take it into account if we want to reach a better understanding of the powers at play.

so first, I suggest separating those who just speak of the two states (Netanyahu, Lieberman) but in practice do the opposite, from those we are making some steps in this direction (a category that might include Olmert and Barak), and could be labeled as center-left.

Second, I think people&#039;s vision of the relations between Judaism and democracy in the state should play a big role in the new left/rigth distinction, and this role will get even bigger in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y &#8211; your observations are very accurate, and I admit i don&#8217;t have a clear answer. I simply think that even if we leave economy aside, we need to take into account more than just the Two States/greater Israel distinction, because that leads us to the conclusion that almost everyone in Israel is lefty, while the reality is that the Right is in power (I don&#8217;t think you would deny that). </p>
<p>in the past decade we have a new phenomena of conservative politicians and writers that promotes leaving the WB, most of the time unilaterally. we need to take it into account if we want to reach a better understanding of the powers at play.</p>
<p>so first, I suggest separating those who just speak of the two states (Netanyahu, Lieberman) but in practice do the opposite, from those we are making some steps in this direction (a category that might include Olmert and Barak), and could be labeled as center-left.</p>
<p>Second, I think people&#8217;s vision of the relations between Judaism and democracy in the state should play a big role in the new left/rigth distinction, and this role will get even bigger in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Noam Sheizaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noam Sheizaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ETTA: I&#039;m sure Jpost has influence, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s heavily read in Israel outside the english-speaking community. it&#039;s hard to tell, since Jpost is not part of the TGI survey (it was taken out after the polling company came to the conclusion that the paper is underrepresented in the poll). and maybe that&#039;s just my own bias as a tel-aviv based, Hebrew-language journalist.

however, I do think that because of the language (and certainly not because of the quality of reporting), Jpost does not have a major part in the news cycle like the four big daily papers. it&#039;s not read by most people who prepare the morning news show on TV and radio. it&#039;s not read among other journalists in Maariv and Yedioth and Ynet (that i can tell from first hand knowledge)  -so its stories don&#039;t get follow-ups. much like the Arab and Russian press, most of the time Jpost is simply not part of the debate. 

Again, not because of the paper or the people working in it, but because of the language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ETTA: I&#8217;m sure Jpost has influence, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s heavily read in Israel outside the english-speaking community. it&#8217;s hard to tell, since Jpost is not part of the TGI survey (it was taken out after the polling company came to the conclusion that the paper is underrepresented in the poll). and maybe that&#8217;s just my own bias as a tel-aviv based, Hebrew-language journalist.</p>
<p>however, I do think that because of the language (and certainly not because of the quality of reporting), Jpost does not have a major part in the news cycle like the four big daily papers. it&#8217;s not read by most people who prepare the morning news show on TV and radio. it&#8217;s not read among other journalists in Maariv and Yedioth and Ynet (that i can tell from first hand knowledge)  -so its stories don&#8217;t get follow-ups. much like the Arab and Russian press, most of the time Jpost is simply not part of the debate. </p>
<p>Again, not because of the paper or the people working in it, but because of the language.</p>
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		<title>By: Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t like the tendency to classify Israelis to the political Left or Right according to their support or objection to a Palestinian state&quot;

 That&#039;s a very good idea in theory (not that the rest of this site follows it - your recent post over AIPAC comes to mind), but this is what the body politic has been mainly divided over all these year. Besides, what&#039;s otherwise left?

 One of the unsung drama of modern Israeli politics is the extinction of the Social-Democratic Left. Kadima (and most of Labour) is not distinguishable from Likud in economic policy (nonwithstanding some rhetoric). Haaretz, if anything, is the most (economically) right-wing paper in Israel (at least ever since Aryeh Kaspi died, and I&#039;d say even beforehand). So there&#039;s no difference on economic policy.

 What&#039;s left? In theory, the Left&#039;s rhetoric towards the Ultra-Orthodox and &quot;religious coercion&quot; suggests a much more aggressive policy there, but after all these years, we can see this is only kept for being in the opposition. &quot;Rak Lo Shas&quot; becomes &quot;Shas in the coalition&quot; very very quickly.

 What&#039;s left, if we ignore foreign policy and once we&#039;ve taken out domestic economic policy, and a good deal of social issues? Not much of anything with actual effect on people&#039;s lives. That&#039;s a pretty poor showing on part of the Israeli left.

 My theory is that the private interests of the core leftwing voters (if you look at the last election returns - we&#039;re actually talking the affluent secular (mostly Askhenazi) which lives in the center) is highly opposed to what would be called leftwing policy in every other part of the world - which would inevitably raise taxes and the influence of other sectors in Israeli society. The attempts at a peace deal form a poor excuse (since these voters don&#039;t actually believe it&#039;s possible anymore) for the tribal voting. This explains why Kadima survived and monopolized the left - it has no objectionable baggage from historic Labour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t like the tendency to classify Israelis to the political Left or Right according to their support or objection to a Palestinian state&#8221;</p>
<p> That&#8217;s a very good idea in theory (not that the rest of this site follows it &#8211; your recent post over AIPAC comes to mind), but this is what the body politic has been mainly divided over all these year. Besides, what&#8217;s otherwise left?</p>
<p> One of the unsung drama of modern Israeli politics is the extinction of the Social-Democratic Left. Kadima (and most of Labour) is not distinguishable from Likud in economic policy (nonwithstanding some rhetoric). Haaretz, if anything, is the most (economically) right-wing paper in Israel (at least ever since Aryeh Kaspi died, and I&#8217;d say even beforehand). So there&#8217;s no difference on economic policy.</p>
<p> What&#8217;s left? In theory, the Left&#8217;s rhetoric towards the Ultra-Orthodox and &#8220;religious coercion&#8221; suggests a much more aggressive policy there, but after all these years, we can see this is only kept for being in the opposition. &#8220;Rak Lo Shas&#8221; becomes &#8220;Shas in the coalition&#8221; very very quickly.</p>
<p> What&#8217;s left, if we ignore foreign policy and once we&#8217;ve taken out domestic economic policy, and a good deal of social issues? Not much of anything with actual effect on people&#8217;s lives. That&#8217;s a pretty poor showing on part of the Israeli left.</p>
<p> My theory is that the private interests of the core leftwing voters (if you look at the last election returns &#8211; we&#8217;re actually talking the affluent secular (mostly Askhenazi) which lives in the center) is highly opposed to what would be called leftwing policy in every other part of the world &#8211; which would inevitably raise taxes and the influence of other sectors in Israeli society. The attempts at a peace deal form a poor excuse (since these voters don&#8217;t actually believe it&#8217;s possible anymore) for the tribal voting. This explains why Kadima survived and monopolized the left &#8211; it has no objectionable baggage from historic Labour.</p>
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